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Honda Odyssey 2000 P0170/P0172/P1491 and P0300-P0305 Codes: EGR Valve Failure & Intake Carbon Blockage Diagnosis

Model: honda 2000 odyssey Fault Code: P0170 Posted: 2007-08-09 22:53

My 2000 Honda Odyssey (107,000 miles) has been exhibiting persistent engine trouble with DTCs including P0170 (Fuel Trim Bank 1 - System Too Rich), P0172 (System Too Rich Bank 1), P1491 (EGR Valve Lift Sensor Insufficient Flow Detected), and intermittent misfire codes P0300–P0305. The issue is consistent: when I drive at steady speeds between 50-70 mph on the highway, the DTCs reset and disappear. However, during stop-and-go driving or transitions through 3rd to 4th gear (or into overdrive), the check engine light and TCS warning light activate — a pattern that suggests an engine-related shift jerk rather than transmission failure. The vehicle runs less smoothly than it did at 25–50k miles, with noticeable roughness during acceleration. While I’ve used injector cleaner and cleaned the PCV valve and MAP sensor, no improvement has been seen. The EGR valve was previously serviced by a dealer at 35,000 miles and appears clean upon visual inspection; however, resistance testing shows normal values. My Dyno-Scan (Auterra) data reveals: O2 Sensor B1-S1 varies from 0–0.9V, while B1-S2 ranges from 0.1–0.9V but remains consistently high — indicating a lean-to-rich imbalance. Short-term fuel trim for both sensors fluctuates between -24% and 0%, confirming the rich condition. I’ve been told by dealers that an EGR valve replacement is needed due to P0170/P0172/P1491 codes, but I’m skeptical since the valve appears functional. However, a deeper analysis reveals that P1491 (insufficient flow) and P0170 are not isolated — they point to a dual failure: EGR valve malfunction AND carbon buildup in the upper intake manifold. After removing the intake manifold, I found only light carbon deposits. A port near the throttle body was partially blocked — a known issue on this model. The dealer previously installed an EGR sleeve kit at 35,000 miles; it has now failed due to wear and heat exposure. I replaced the EGR valve with a new one. After installation, idle quality improved dramatically — the engine runs smoother than ever before. No DTCs have been set after driving for several hundred miles. I will continue monitoring for 500+ miles before declaring full resolution. Key insight: The EGR valve was not just 'sticking' — it exhibited erratic behavior under voltage testing. When a variable DC source (3–4A) is applied to the solenoid terminals, it should open smoothly and gradually, not jerk or pop open. After prolonged operation (5–10 minutes), the old valve overheated and failed to open at all. This explains why codes appear during stop-start driving — when EGR flow is interrupted, the O2 sensor detects a rich condition, triggering aggressive fuel trim corrections (e.g., -100% short-term correction). The root cause appears to be: 1) EGR valve failure due to carbon buildup and mechanical wear; 2) Partial blockage in the upper intake manifold port near the throttle body — both contributing to poor EGR flow. This issue is especially common on older Honda Odysseys, where EGR components degrade over time despite passing basic functional tests. The DTCs reset at highway speeds because EGR flow is minimal under steady-state conditions, and only reappear when engine load fluctuates during acceleration or deceleration. Recommendation: Replace the EGR valve and inspect/replace the upper intake manifold port sleeve (if not already done). This fix resolves both P0170/P0172 and P1491 codes. For long-term reliability, periodic cleaning of the intake port is advised.

Related fault codes
P0170P0172P1491
Comments (7)
Anonymous 2007-08-10 07:21

Honda Odyssey models from the early 2000s are well-known for EGR valve carbon buildup — even when initial tests show normal function. The EGR valve often fails silently, leading to rich fuel trim and misfire symptoms. This is a common failure mode on these vehicles.

Anonymous 2007-08-10 07:33

I recently removed the EGR valve and found about 1/64 inch of carbon buildup. After cleaning, I tested it with a variable DC voltage source: when applying 12V to the solenoid, it initially popped open at ~2V but failed to smoothly reopen until ~4V — instead, it jumped abruptly. It fully opened at ~6V and then began closing only at ~4V. After sustained operation (5–10 minutes), it stopped opening entirely despite the solenoid clicking. This indicates a stuck or overheated valve. The issue likely explains why codes disappear during highway driving — when EGR flow is minimal, the O2 sensor sees a rich condition and triggers aggressive fuel trim corrections. I retested the valve after placing it in a freezer; once cold, it functioned normally again. This confirms that heat-induced sticking is the root cause.

Anonymous 2007-08-16 18:07

On Honda Odyssey models, P1491 (EGR lift sensor) and EGR flow are two distinct issues. A lift-only code points to a faulty valve, while a flow-related code indicates both valve failure and carbon blockage in the upper intake manifold. The port near the throttle body is prone to clogging with carbon deposits over time. Removing the intake manifold reveals this blockage — it can be cleaned manually or fixed using an OEM stainless steel sleeve kit (commonly available at dealerships). This repair often resolves both EGR-related DTCs and engine roughness, especially during acceleration.

Anonymous 2007-08-16 21:08

Thanks for the detailed input. I removed the intake manifold and cleaned the port — it wasn’t heavily clogged. The sleeve was installed at 35,000 miles (current mileage: 107,000). After replacing the EGR valve, the engine now idles smoothly with no DTCs. I haven’t seen any codes since installation. The old valve had a visibly flattened cone contact point — likely causing it to stick when heated. The new one has a smoother surface and doesn’t exhibit this issue. While I didn’t perform the same voltage test on the new valve, it opens smoothly under normal conditions. The vehicle is currently running without any issues. However, I still don’t fully understand why the DTCs disappear during highway cruising at 60–70 mph — that part remains a mystery.

Anonymous 2007-08-17 09:22

Applying voltage to an EGR valve for 5–10 minutes is significant — especially given it's exposed to exhaust heat. This kind of duty cycle can accelerate wear and failure in older units.

Anonymous 2007-08-17 13:21

The EGR valve operates on the exhaust line, so it naturally heats up. I may have overstated the duration — the valve did warm up during testing but didn’t reach the same temperature as when removed from the engine. Still, prolonged voltage application caused a failure in opening. The new valve performs smoothly under test and has no visible ridge at the contact point. It’s now running cleanly with no codes. However, I still don’t fully understand why DTCs disappear during highway driving — that behavior remains unexplained.

Anonymous 2007-08-17 13:55

It makes sense: the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) uses EGR flow based on engine load and temperature. When cruising at constant speed, EGR flow is minimal or absent, so the O2 sensor sees a rich condition — triggering fuel trim corrections. During stop-start driving, EGR flow fluctuates, causing the PCM to detect inconsistencies and set DTCs.