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P0308 and P0174 Misfire Diagnosis - 2005 Ford F250 with Used Engine Replacement

Model: 2005 F250 Fault Code: P0174 Posted: 2016-06-26 13:49

I've thoroughly inspected all common causes of misfires in my 2005 Ford F250, including spark plug degradation. The original issue was a spark plug that had worked its way out of the cylinder. I replaced both the spark plug and the coil pack (cop), as well as the fuel injector for cylinder #8. Using a noid light, I confirmed spark presence, with signal current readings between 0.05 and 0.09 amps—consistent with other cylinders. Compression testing shows approximately 150 psi, matching the other cylinders on that side. I've also removed the catalytic converters (cats), which were previously hollowed out. When starting the truck, it runs roughly and I can feel a misfire. Under load, it backfires through the exhaust, and when pushed harder, the check engine light flashes and the vehicle becomes unresponsive—requiring extremely gentle throttle inputs to avoid stalling. The engine was replaced in August 2015 with a used engine from Thrifty Auto Sales under warranty. The issue began shortly after the warranty expired in February. I’m now concerned about potential mechanical faults such as valve or camshaft issues in cylinder #8. Since I can't afford to pull the valve cover, what diagnostic tests can I perform without doing so? If I do need to remove the valve cover, what should I specifically look for? This is my only vehicle, and I cannot use my company truck for personal needs—any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Related fault codes
P0174P0308
Comments (4)
Anonymous 2016-06-26 14:58

Are there any additional diagnostic codes present? If not, that raises concern. The system typically sets P0420 or B1S2 O2 sensor-related codes when a catalytic converter is missing or ineffective—this should be addressed first. However, note: removing emission devices illegally may violate regulations. With an OBD-II scanner, check key parameters including ECT (engine coolant temperature), MAF (mass air flow), MAP (manifold absolute pressure), fuel trim values, and oxygen sensor voltages. If no scanner is available, perform a fuel pressure test under KOEO (Key On, Engine Off) conditions—monitor for a drop in pressure over 5 minutes. A significant drop may indicate a faulty or stuck-open injector. Clean the MAF sensor thoroughly—ensure no oily air filters are present. Check for vacuum leaks using the carburetor spray method: apply starting fluid near suspected leak points and observe for engine response. Regarding your concern about legal recourse: did the seller provide a catalytic converter or install one at the time of sale? Note: Cylinder #8 is on the driver’s side—confirming this helps with accurate diagnostics. KOEO = Key On, Engine Off.

Anonymous 2016-06-26 15:56

No additional codes have appeared since the initial diagnosis. The truck was originally sold with a defective engine; I replaced it with a used junkyard unit that had only traveled under 2,000 miles. Afterward, I discovered a miswired MAF sensor—where a solid grey wire was improperly spliced to another grey wire with a red stripe. I fixed this connection, but the performance has not improved. The only persistent codes remain P0308 and P0174. I plan to check for exhaust restrictions today by temporarily cutting behind the catalytic converter—though I’ll weld it back after testing. I have an arc welder and am experienced with rod welding, so this is a manageable fix.

Anonymous 2016-06-26 16:13

Could you clarify when and why the catalytic converters were removed? The system will generate P0420 or B1S2 O2 sensor codes if there's no functional converter. Was this done intentionally during purchase? If the cats are gutted, expect P0420 and related oxygen sensor faults—these should be addressed. No need to cut exhaust pipes for restriction testing: 1) Use an exhaust backpressure gauge to measure pressure at idle and under load. 2) Use a vacuum gauge: hold at 1500 RPM and observe if the reading drops—any drop indicates a problem. 3) Temporarily remove the oxygen sensor before the catalytic converter (pre-cat) to test for excessive backpressure. If performance improves, this confirms high backpressure. Note: This test is noisy and should be done cautiously. Always perform these tests before making major repairs or spending money. Additionally, conduct a fuel pressure test under KOEO conditions—monitor for pressure drop over 5 minutes to detect a stuck-open injector. Check for vacuum leaks using the carb spray method. Confirm cylinder #8 is on the driver’s side as this affects diagnostic focus.

Anonymous 2016-06-29 17:45

No cat-related codes were present initially. Update: I discovered a small leak in the B2 catalytic converter and repaired it using a 7018 rod weld (1/8 inch, welded on the 27th). After sealing it, I cleared the P0174 code. Below is the freeze frame data from my BluePoint scanner: - Fuel System 1: CL (normal) - Fuel System 2: NA (not applicable) - Calculated Load %: 87.1% - ECT (Engine Coolant Temp): 194°F - STFT B1%: 11.7% - LTFT B1%: 6.3% - STUDY B2%: 0.0% - LEFT B2%: -2.3% - RPM: 1185 - Vehicle Speed: 13 mph - Spark Advance: 31.5° - IAT (Intake Air Temp): 136°F - MAF (Mass Air Flow): 2.8 lb/min - TPS%: 28.2% - O2A B1S1 Voltage: 0.085V - STFT B1S1%: 10.9% - O2A B1S2 Voltage: 0.30V - STUDY B1S2%: 99.2% - O2A B2S1 Voltage: 0.275V - STUDY B2S1%: 0.0% - O2A B2S2 Voltage: 0.665V - STUDY B2S2%: 99.2% - Fuel Pressure (can): 40.1 psi - Command EVAP %: 44.7% - EVAP VP: -0.656 - Barometric Pressure: 24.5 inHg - Cat Temp 1 & 2: 919°F - ECU Voltage: 13.583V - Load Value %: 32.5% - Equivalence Ratio: 0.999 - Relative TPS %: 9.0% - Ambient Temp: 122°F - TPS b%: 33.7% - ACC Pedal D: 28.2% - E (Pedal): 36.5% - F (Pedal): 25.9% - Command TAC %: 14.5%