Fresh fury over Elon Musk’s underground Tesla tunnel loop

A Musk company yet again just doing what it wants and ignoring everyone else.

so like a metro but useless?

A metro where you take one train and divide it up into lots of individual coaches with just a few seats in each. Then throw away all the other trains you had. Now you get a mini train at a similar frequency as your train service but with about 300-500x less capacity. Plus the cost of loads more drivers. Elon is a genius and I'm just too stupid to realise it.

I am just glad that Hyperloop got scraped before it became an oceangate.

What could go wrong with a LiPO battery fire in a confined space?

Lived in Vegas… the entire loop is a failure in every measurable way, never even came close to all of the hype. Its single lane, requires a human driver (no fsd in a one way tunnel, doesn’t work, go figure), has I have no idea how many violations by now (a lot), and it isn’t even a cool experience (you have a lot of waiting since they are single cars going in one direction in a single lane). Unmitigated failure. Hey now, didn’t he do an emphatic double nazi salute on national tv when trump got reelected? Don’t you have some bitter history with Nazi fuktards?

'The Boring Company says it has “a strong track record in safely managing variable ground conditions,” including in Las Vegas' We dug one tunnel, it didn't collapse, so we can probably do it again

The hyperloop was never a real proposal, it was done to shut down the conversations about high speed rail

We dug one tunnel in a desert and it didn't flood. We can do it anywhere. So they come to my town of Nashville - our area experiences 50-60 inches or rain per year..

so its almost like they shown in their rendered product video?[Tesla the rendering company!](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj83MLQ1oiTAxWDhv0HHW4uJ704FBCjtAF6BAgIEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC0Ir058iHlM&usg=AOvVaw1kPupcFyNlZAc3tbydLDaF&opi=89978449)

And minus the automation, even. Automated metro lines have been a thing for a while now, but Tesla can't even make FSD word in their own tunnels.

This thing was always a distraction. The predatory class hates that the serfs have horses (cars) and that public transportation is public and hence costs taxpayers money, subsidizes the travel of the poor, and isn’t being used to extract wealth from the working class so they can never retire. The tunnels were meant to stall more trains and bus lines while the autonomous cab thing is figured out. At this point we will have 1. A moral panic seeming humans unworthy of driving. 2. More regressive policies like subsidies to get buy-in from the upper middle class by permitting them to own their own autonomous vehicle that is festooned with surveillance equipment and is basically a mobile eCommerce store. 3. Aged ICE cars removed from the roads- no one profits but mechanics, that cars last 17 years on average is problem already. 4. Just as much traffic or even more than before- but it’s a scheme predictably generating revenue by demanding monthly autonomous cab service subscriptions. Option B is that the cabs leave from a centralized node but the wait times would be too severe so that’s a later step for “efficiency.” 5. All freedom of mobility is now under the thumb of the government, with brickable and geofenced surveillance contraptions. Does this sound far fetched and dystopian? We are already replacing carbon lights with LED so that the surveillance cameras can better identify faces at a distance and tried to normalize constant video data gathering under the auspices of protecting lost labradors on a super bowl commercial. People should be concerned. But frankly, our phones alone are doing the heavy lifting already.

I went to Vegas and intended to try the thing while I was there… but it “wasn’t operating” my first day in town. For the whole day. It was just closed, I guess? I just stood there laughing out loud at the absurdity of it - so many resources and so much work expended for a one-way tunnel that can carry up to 4 people at a shot. Most of the experience is just waiting. Waiting for the car, waiting for the tunnel to clear, and so on… and the only reason it “works” at all right now is because so few people actually try to use it - travel volume is incredibly low.

Bingo

Just another one in his long list of scams. Will he ever face any justice I wonder?

Rain that turns the limestone into Swiss cheese. I’m hoping they at least find a new cave before catastrophic failure. I feel like it’s a vanity project so Elon can feel important while heading to kid rock’s bar. The sad part is how the state legislature eagerly volunteered to be Elon’s bitches. Nashville residents are to blame as well, as they vote against trains and busses every chance they get. Now they’re getting a tunnel for the elite and elevated toll lanes that will never pay for themselves. There’sa reason Tennessee ranks last in quality of life. ‘But once we get rid a them illeagles things’ll start a turning around!’

Yes. I've had to explain to nearly everyone I talk to on the subject - it's not some awesome HOV lane or high capacity tunnel. It will be Teslas in tunnels driving bachelorette parties to Broadway so they can get to day drinking sooner. Also it's unfortunate that many middle Tennesseeans still think Elon is some genius and don't see him for the bumbling fraud that he is... I suspect as you said many of them fully supported DOGE as they hoped it would hurt illegals and immigrants.

The Nashville project will have 'trained drivers' operating dedicated Tesla cars. You would think they would be operated by the autonomous robo-taxi tech that muskrat says is mature. I wonder why they don't choose this approach? /s

That's the fun part. These fucks don't actually have a bitter history with Nazi's. Hitler just knew America was joining his side. He modeled his tyranny after American slavery. Citation: [The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/767171)

At least the real Nazis created the autobahn!

But the colour changing lights in the tunnel look nice (actually, they're tacky AF).

What a great public transport system it is! Elon is so innovative reinventing the metro but deliberately shit so people still drive, preferably in his death trap Nazi cars.

The single fact that teslas aren’t autonomous in the highly controlled, uniform and predictable tunnels they built specifically for these cars should have been the breaking for FSD trust and promises.

They can't tele control them underground. Proves FSD to be BS.

They don’t need to worry too much because there is absolutely no fucking way they will tunnel 13 miles by end of 2027, let alone build the infrastructure

Right Ford taught them the assembly line, and IBM straight up helped them keep count!

Every day it seems that Tesla drivers are becoming more and more like Nazi sympathizers or there straight up Nazis themselves!!

yet two companies were created from that dumb presentation….

Yes they can. Have you noticed you can have internet underground?

We just got back from Vegas - we tried a robotaxi called Zoox - very cool experience! Free ride to limited destinations right now, but it was on time, safe and comfortable!

Two companies on paper maybe, they built a small tube in Fremont at the Tesla factory, and then “open sourced” design ideas from various college programs. That was it, I mean the idea of the “Hyperloop” was just a rip off of the 1890’s concept of a vacuum train, which was never a feasible concept anyway.

Is Elon an ant?

Also removed any possible access by people with disabilities. Probably a bonus to a Nazi.

I’m convinced that this is a huge troll project for the amusement of Musk. Makes him laugh about how dumb people are.

"The Nashville loop relies on a fleet of dedicated Tesla vehicles driven by trained drivers," Weird. TSLA is on the cusp of a society altering Robo-Revolution, and they won't collaborate with TBC?

It could be done but he's NOT paying for it, just like he could make safer cars but likes money more than your safety.

So now they are going to put a bunch of narrow tunnels without emergency exits in and create traffic jams under Nashville, like they did in Vegas?

Efficiency! /s

I smell graft!

Maybe. In any case it is quite pathetic that they can’t get it to work in a closed system.

Well at least it won't have much oxygen, but then again neither will the people trapped in the tunnels with no emergency exits. But that's okay because the cars don't have door handles anyway.

One driver for every two passengers is so much more efficient than just one driver for a trainload of people on an already electrified rail. Musk Math™.

It is just so astounding how dumb Republicans are to believe this grifter.

To be fair, I blame the city planners who agreed to pay for this bullshit. What were they thinking? He’s literally a fucking snake artist.

But you get a free shower at your final destination!

Nashville city leaders have nothing to do with this. I can’t speak for Las Vegas.

A positive is that you get to see less teslas on the actual streets so I take that as a little win

I had speakers that did that in the 60s.

BS-FSD

Let me give you loads of money!!!

I swear an underground gondola/skilift would be better than Teslas in tunnels

Yes, they also had a render of a shuttle vehicle for more passengers and wheelchairs. Years later, still never even mocked up a prototype

It must be such a nightmare for the drivers going through the tunnels hour after hour

They actually didn't, this is a common misconception but the program had started under the previous government, they were just really good at stealing credit

Really!? Sounds... familiar to our Nazis

Best part is that the tunnels cannot be repurposed for real mass transit. Can only fit cars, not a train or even bus.

Battery *fires* need oxygen, battery thermal runaway doesn't.

The tunnel is basically a car wash, but without the water and soap. I mean, you stop, line up, proceed slowly, and come out the other side, more slowly than if you'd just driven. At least in a car wash your vehicle is a bit cleaner on the other side.

It’s their nature

The techno lights are how you know it's the future.

100% what blows me away is that they would have had to have engineers involved who analyze the system... and all the many many challanges to overcome... where were these engineers

What you're describing is basically just taxis / ride share. The difference is that rather than using the existing road network, this boring network is building an extremely expensive tunnel network, which only the boring company can use, which will only use Tesla vehicles... Now I'm not saying taxi service in Vegas is perfect, but I imagine a lot of the issues could be fixed if the city had the will to fix it. For example, if you're traveling from the airport to the Rio, and you forget to tell the taxi driver not to take the highway, then getting off at the exit has like a 2-3 minute light to make the left and cross the overpass. Why is that 2-3 minutes? Fuck if I know! Artificially boosting cab fares? I was pounding the table about what the Vegas Loops was when Las Vegas / LVCC first agreed to let the boring company operate Teslas in tunnels and the first section was built. The location makes it abundantly clear what this has always been about. Las Vegas, and the LVCC are glorified tourist locations. Forcing people to use Teslas in tunnels to get around the LVCC (if they don't want to walk the half mile) was nothing more than a glorified advertising campaign for Tesla. Millions of distinct individuals travel to LVCC every year for conferences / auto shows / etc... So that's giving people who may have never ridden in a Tesla before their first experience. When this tunnel is eventually completed, including the connection to the airport, it could devastate other taxi and ride share companies. Sure, there will be drivers in the Tesla taxis, but for how long? Once TBC decides to automate these vehicles, and they absolutely WILL automate these vehicles, then it'll kill nearly all taxi / ride share jobs in the city. To put that in perspective, quick google search claims there are around 10,000 taxi drivers who operate in Las Vegas, and doesn't explicitly mention ride share drivers, so there could be even more drivers. That's 10k+ workers who will see their income transferred to a single company as profit. Sure, the Loop service could lower prices initially to out price the competition; given that TBC is backed by Tesla, Elon Musk, and Nevada and Las Vegas (Nevada has been polishing Elon's botched surgery for a decade now), so they can eat losses for awhile, but if they wipe out competition and get a monopoly in the city, then they'll be free to drive prices back up. Rather than tourism fueling wages of drivers... it'll be fueling the profits of a private company with very few workers.

It won't need humans drivers, they'll just plop a fully functional Optimus in there so fElon can grift Tennessee for twice as much hardware 😉🤣

Wasn’t the first loop just designed to block a public metro idea? This guy is as environmentally friendly as a chemical plant.

Why not a submarine?

Sheesh, what a dud

>"The Nashville loop relies on a fleet of dedicated Tesla vehicles driven by trained drivers," > TSLA is on the cusp of a society altering Robo-Revolution, and they won't collaborate with TBC? They did: the collaboration requires a trained driver, just like Robotaxi.

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If you read the article, the city council doesn't want anything to do with Musk and the Boring Co. It's been forced on them by the state.

Hot take; a roller coaster setup on rails with a linear accelerator. Maybe not super fast though.

Is Musk Math™ related to Musk Time™? I've been really enjoying the Roadster. He stated on 11/16/17 that Tesla would begin producing it in 2020 and targeted deliveries for later that year. He also stated that the first manned landings on Mars would happen by 2025. He also said the cars would become appreciating assets as owners opt-in to the rob-taxi fleet. ________ It is remarkable that he keeps spouting fantasy and fantastical things and people keep believing him.

No, this is a way for him to block legitimate mass transit. That goal is shared by many currently in power so it's very easy for him to accomplish. Policymakers know all of this is trash but it gives them the excuse to do what they originally wanted (i.e. not develop transit).

Fair comment.

Are those permanently injured firefighters suing him? Because they need to

Telling in another way, if Tesla's full self driving can't handle driving in a one way one lane tunnel no way it should be allowed on the public streets.

Overrun by homeless by 2035

Why would you want to use those tunnels for that? Living in the greater area I can confirm the geology is challenging as it's not like Vagis or Texis, more of a city in a mountain valley. So what is a shallow dig at one spot could then be a few hundred feet below the bedrock a mile a way. Then there is the whole river and lake systems in the area so a failure could propagate already problematic flooding. Add into Nashville has peeked and is starting to depopulate it would arrive too late to be meaningful, as tela will be a robotics company and not a car company by the time it could be made operational.

I’m replying to a poster who was discussing the Vegas loop situation.  But no, you don’t want these tunnels anyway.

The two are most definitely related because neither one is true or rational, and both eminate from inside his colon.

It’s ridiculous and a PR misstep to not to have self driving in a controlled environment like a tunnel. Even if they need to quietly put in a guide wire system on Teslas that operate inside the tunnel (1980’s technology, by the way), it would at least improve appearances since Telsa wanted so badly to be synonymous with self-driving electric cars. Tesla is such a fucked company.

Yeah everyone not in the Cult know this is going to fail. First, the deadline is fucking laughable but that’s par for the course for Elmo. Second, the cost projection is like 20x too low, and third you could literally move more people with traditional rail methods. One day, my home state will stop being a constant fucking embarrassment. If I live long enough.

Our asshole Governor knows all about that angle

> It’s ridiculous and a PR misstep to not to have self driving in a controlled environment like a tunnel. Only if you know what that means, and most people don't.

Heck have third world drone pilots or even have it as a driving simulator on steam and change to play the game.

Guys like him will only face justice in the afterlife, if one believes in that kind of thing.

It was a stupid idea 8 years ago, and it's a stupid idea now. Turns out all those tunneling experts were right and Musk was full of shit all along.

His first loop was a flaccid and anaemic attempt, maybe this one might actually do something approaching what he promised. Well, part of what he promised. Well, one part of one promise made a decade ago

The airport walkway in Chicago has an actual cool instance…

iswydt!

[The Hyperloop: A 200-Year History of Hype and Failure](https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-hyperloop-a-200-year-history-of-hype-and-failure/) >lon Musk's Hyperloop Alpha is another overhyped venture, recycling 200-year-old dreams and exaggerated claims of innovation.

> outrageous claims, financial scams, and false prophecies of technical miracles. Doesn't that just sum up all of Felon Muck's supposed innovations.

> both eminate from inside his colon. How can so many people believe this guy? His net worth is higher than the gross sales volume for the company for the entire time it has been in existence. This fact highlights two absurdities: 1. The gullibility of the average 'investor' 2. How weird the 'free market' is. His net worth (over $800 billion according to Forbes) is about $100 billion more than total sales for Tesla. Estimates put total profit for the company between $36 and $40 billion overall. Using the higher figure his net worth is 20 times total company earnings. In what universe does this make any kind of financial sense? _______ When viewed in the context of how many people are barely surviving in the world today all this crazyness makes no sense at all.

He is one K-hole away from changing his name to that.

Airports have had them for decades.

It doesn't make sense becaudse "he's worrth..." is not correct. His investments are artificially valued at that amount. In reality the companies are a stage show for the con, not really producing much revenue, and that is on a fast decline. A realistic valuation would be the breakup value of his companies' assets, a few billion at most.

Anyone in the tunneling industry could've told you that The Boring Company is a joke. They bought an ancient old used TBM that was refurbished by friends of mine in the US. It's whole purpose is to promise the world, stop development on real transit systems being created, and then walk away to push back that development by a few years. Joke of a company. And I say that sadly as I have colleagues working there.

>It's whole purpose is to promise the world, stop development on real transit systems being created, and then walk away to push back that development by a few years. Exactly, TBC just exists to divert public transport funds so the US remains reliant on private cars such as Teslas. What little they do actually deliver also uses Teslas, giving Tesla a little sales boost as well. TBC is just an enabling company for Tesla.

Good points all. Meanwhile he takes advantage of the artificially valued numbers I mentioned. Think of the good that could be accomplished if he unloaded 5% of this number (which he can get because a lot of the stocks are very liquid today) and purpose it for something good. It might help to offset some of the massive harm he caused by DOGEing government agencies and destroying USAID.

The Roadster is looking like a fantastic scam even if they manage to deliver it now. 1k people preordered a $250k special edition. Even if they refunded the money now, that'd be a 8 year, $250M **interest free loan**. Just inflation since 2017 has changed the value of that $250k to $331k.

There is also a very good reason why that idea lingered for 200 years without being developed, because it's based in science \*fiction\* not reality.

If they want a public transit system, just put in rails and an electric train like every other city has been doing for a century or more. It works and will be far more efficient than Mollusk's mess even if FSD worked.

Just like the “fascists making the trains run on time”, it’s a self-congratulatory fabrication. Im sure we’ll have future “historians” claiming Mexico paid for the wall.

But you *do* get to use the cool Batmobile turner arounder thingy!

The guy who’s always talking about going to Mars builds a tunnel under Las Vegas passes up the opportunity to build a proper [Travel Tube](https://youtu.be/WGw3Pq6N4ks?si=C96FdZaJBqxcvA95)?! Pathetic.

Vegas has perhaps the most fucked up transportation system in the entire world. McCarran/Reid is only 2 fucking miles from the strip, but they rely on taxis at an astronomical price. The City should have put a tram line or subway in 30 years ago parallel to the strip starting at LAS, not that joke monorail that ends at MGM. But that would have killed the mob-owned taxi biz.

The amount of time, money, and engineering to even get a prototype up and working again on a regular basis and then an actual commercial short run is basically nil.

Fully And when he's not doing that he's riding off of the know how and experience of others that do

I highly doubt this will ever be built

Yeah, it will just end up being abandoned