Tesla Disaster SURGES Into Spotlight After Robotaxi Crash Data Goes Public

And the stock will go up 5% tomorrow because the fans are disconnected from reality. Lately he's been promising robot surgeons within a few years.

If Tesla fans could read, they'd be very upset.

Equip them with chainsaws and let them randomly slash at things. DOGE was the training data for the OS.

Well it was to be expected after their fsd never really worked

But, but, but ... the first Cybercrap was just created and is going to be mass produced?

Giggity

That P/E ratio has always been mind boggling to me.

If there was any kind of rule enforcement or consumer protection in the USA, Teslas would be frozen until the manufacturer could fix them.

Next week he’ll announce that by this time next year you can have sex with Optimus and their stock will skyrocket.

No, robots that will fix robotaxi. /s

It’s just skyrocketed in this post predicting his post. Sex sells, Optimus makes it optimal?

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If only it were that simple to explain them, but I like the cut of your jib. Happy cake day.

I honestly think FSD is better now than I thought it would ever be. Quite impressive. Unfortunately it is just exactly at the point where a lot of people will think that if it drove them to work safely one day, they can trust it to do the exact same the next day. And thats when tragedy strikes.

Spent a decade bragging about leading a crusade to colonize mars, only to get winded at the end of our driveway/moon.

How can you be so rich and have such hopeless facial hair? - get a proper razor, get an barber, even get a robot; he looks like he has been on a three day bender.

Stans are already masturbating to posters of Optimus. When I was a kid, it was The Farah Fawcett poster.

Even his moon ambitions are far beyond his capabilities. We'll be lucky to see a manned mission to Nebraska in a decade or two.

Every 3 days he starts a 3 day bender.

Drives me every day and rarely if ever anymore skips a beat.

4 times more accidents than a human driver is not confidence... But Russian roulette

When I was a kid, we'd bike through the alley ways. The kids WITHOUT LOOKING would dart into the street (ZERO side visibility) so on coming cars had zero warning before .. 10 kids on bikes!! I would always come to a stop first.. They'd always make fun of me. "Are you chicken?? bbak bak bak bak". But even before I fully knew algebra and probability. It is a certainty that if you did that crossing more than K times the average num of steps it takes for you to cross the street divideded by the time-between-cars, YOU GONNA DIE! (or at least go to the emergency-room, which I personally think is worse (I live in America)). I feel like AI driving is the same way.. It worked 100 times in a row for some particular high-risk maneuver.. But if that interval is 1-in-50 chance of a collision (e.g. 2% likelihood of incident). You probably wouldn't see it for like 400 tests. Put another way, you played russian rullet with a six shooter AND FIRED 24 TIMES! The counter would be, that's only a 1-in-400 collision (v.s. some drunk driving metric).. See self-driving is "safer than humans". (sell of stock, buy twitter)

I'd take my chances with a voodoo witch doctor over some contraption that F'Elon cobbled together

Tesla FSD flunked the Wile Coyote test.

It's an investing cult st this point.

Yes it will be called The OptiMay Ludicrous InCel Edition, and for those with Oedipal tendencies, OptiMom.

Plus he's poisoning the water in Boca Chica, Texas, with his rocket launches.

Did it though? An older HW revision with an older FSD version did, but tests I have seen with newer versions correctly identified the lack of parallax. I’m all for bashing Tesla and Elon, but we should also keep our biases in check.

I don’t know why you are being downvoted. Based on what I have seen, a lot of people have that experience. My only point is that this is exactly when it gets scary. When you trust it to do a task repeatedly, but it is actually figuring the task out every single time. I know my can is way faster than me in determining whether a car in front is speeding up or slowing down. But I also know that I have to be ready to take over at any time if it gets it wrong.

What does a robotaxi crash even mean? Is it the vehicle with the driver and the passenger, the chase vehicle, or both?

Just looked it up - 10 times apple’s, ~15 Amazon, 30 times Toyota. But if you’d caught Tesla this time last year you’d have doubled your money.

80 would be generous. 400 P/E is/was pricing in successfully rolling out a fleet of 1M robotaxis collectively replacing Uber & Lyft basically. Possible, but it also assumes a moat.

His razor is powered by the same tech as Tesla FSD

Dumping LIDAR was a huge mistake. He’ll make another crucial design blunder with his robots too. Just to slightly raise margins.

Cool story. When you put your kids in the back seat unattended, and have FSD drive them around, then maybe you’ll have made an actual point.

"If only it were that simple ..." - Nate Bargatze.

He’s downvoted because, as in every single post about Tesla accidents, one guy has to chime in with “Actually, my commute …”, which is at best anecdotal evidence, and *always* misses the point being made. The gap between this guys commute, and safe/functional Robotaxis is massive. If something works 99% of the time, you still have to pay attention to it 100% of the time, because you’ll need to react 1% of the time, you just won’t ever know when.

Autonomous vehicles need LIDAR Musk refuses to use it to keep cost down. Without LIDAR Tesla is at a disadvantage, lack of sensors in less then perfect weather conditions is a recipe for failure. When visibility is bad LIDAR picks up the slack.

Most of those would not be reported if done by a human!

A guy at work is planning to buy one of the robots to "help around the house"

Lidar would help but Elon is too much of a bafoon

The new plan is to equip Optimus with Radar/Lidar and have them run alongside the robotaxis.

That’s because it’s a meme stock. The OG one.

Was the test done during the day time? Or at night? Rain or no rain?

I understand that it is anecdotal, and that it misses a point. I just saw it as a reply to what I wrote, and in that context it kind of made sense…or at least helped me make the point I was making. :)

Uber is a $150 billion business. Teslas market cap is $1.5 trillion. The bull case for $TSLA is that their cars will some day very soon become level 4 autonomous which will allow every Tesla on the road to be a robotaxi and then allow for Tesla to build millions of robotaxis per year, and allow for other car companies to pay extremely expensive licensing fees. And before long people globally mostly stop buying cars for themselves and our entire global auto transportation system is transformed from personal auto ownership to Tesla robotaxis everywhere, making Tesla over $150 billion in profits per year every year forever. Now the chances of this are somewhere between zero percent and.000001%. But the stock market is treating it as a certainty.

Tesla only needs to put ~1M taxis on the road to get $20B more in net revenue, @ $80/car/day profit. It's an interesting business model. I pay $150/mo insurance now, $50/mo for registration, and $200/mo for life opportunity cost on the $40k outlay for my car. It's electric so running costs are free, but that's still $400/mo for 300 miles/month of local driving.

Why can I just ride piggyback on my nazibot instead of buying a car?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk

It’s really not that bad… how many regular driver accidents are there in the same time frame?

It’s taken 8 months to get 8 on a the road in a very small strip of road in Austin. Assuming reasonable acceleration at this pace they will have 1 million sometime in the 23rd century.

The funniest bit is that he’s not talking about medical grade, highly specialised and refined robot surgeons, but those ridiculous Optimus things

I read the Tesla crash rate is 9 times higher for Police reported crashes and 4 times higher for minor incidents So yes, it's that bad for a company claiming it's "10 times safer than human drivers"

Androids are pointless. For every task it's better to have a specialized robot or a human employee. A bad copy of humans is pointless because it will never be as easy to instruct as an employee Is.

Selling sex bots to incels would probably be a profitable product line for Tesla.

No, DOGE got rid of that

It's not just reading. It's comprehension.

I’ve seen Filipino dudes with better beards and they don’t grow much hair

Robotaxi’s don’t get drunk or high….they don’t get tired….the seriousness of the crashes probably aren’t that severe, just fender benders

Richest guy in the world, makes products that routinely kill people. Make it make sense.

None of the flawless FSD drives matter to the people involved in fatalities. See how this works?

I’ve argued the same thing for years. My robot lawn mower and pool cleaners are find. They’re optimized for their one task. When people see what the actual purchase price is for an Optimus, the world will have a collective laugh.

What else would you buy it for?

Approximately 7.4% of autonomous vehicle accidents have resulted in injury, and 1.2% have resulted in a fatality. As of November 17, 2025, there have been 5,202 autonomous vehicle accidents reported in the United States. Tesla has reported the most ADAS vehicle accidents, while Waymo has reported the most ADS vehicle accidents. https://www.craftlawfirm.com/autonomous-vehicle-accidents-2019-2024-crash-data/

And yet they suck more at driving than humans.... Self driving cars isn't the issue. Tesla making a shit product is.

They don’t need to get drunk or high because according to the numbers they drive like they are already

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Only down $2 early morning...

Tesla stock is the first meme stock not Gamestop. The Gamestop debacle just revealed the meme stock game.

The meme stock won’t care.

You need a robotaxi so that the androids can get to work, see?

When you say fans you mean the Saudis who funnel money through Tesla shares?

You weren't listening to them then because it is a pile of shit compared to what it is supposed to be

No it did not.

They couldn't see this if their Tesla FSD crashed right into it

depending on how many miles per month you drive (if costs > depreciation), you end up saving money in car equity though. Its not just pure loss of $400/month

It did. But you don’t have to like it…or me

It will go up These fools say the model Y is the safest car when death rates are 2x other cars Science be damned listen to Elon

..maybe with a bit of human customer service assistance over the robonet.

Not if a Tesla employee is watching.

Uber is an app that can easily be replaced by a company that has its own AI.

It sort of works, and I would say it's one of the better ADAS systems on the market. It's not level 5 as promised and a decade behind schedule though.

stock is up slightly so far today

$1000 on such wonderful news.

Not worth arguing with someone who says “running costs are free”; as if they don’t pay for electricity to charge the car, never have to replace tires, pads, washer fluid, etc.

There is a use case if they are slower than humans if they can go 24 hours a day rather than need two or three shifts a day of humans. I am assuming swapping batteries which accounts for maybe a washroom break compared to a human. 24 robot hours would probably be close to 27 human hours. Giving 1 hour for food and breaks. If the cost is the same as one or probably up to two human employees. Business would go robot every time once reliability is proven. Downtime would be the concern at the beginning. The Boston Dynamics autonomous ones being used at Hyundai in their plant will be an important test.

I \*had\* a robot vacuum cleaner. The thing missed half my small house most of the time, and often couldn't even find its way back to the base. It was more trouble to deal with than just running a regular vacuum by hand so I threw it out. The last thing I want in my house is another dysfunctional enshittified "tool", especially one with eyes and ears to the cloud.

The false sense of trust isn't helped by calling it "Full Self Driving" either. This alone should have Elron and his execs locked up for negligent homicide, as well as fraud.

Please stop saying shit like this. You help make it true

No, it's not a mistake. Why waste all that extra money on stage props?

He probably hasn't bathed or changed clothes either.

The poor bastards on the VR headsets thought they had it rough before…..

When is his house wrecking party?

Too bad they don't get online and short TSLA down to 0.

Only an Elon plan could result in a lander that requires 17+ rocket launches (rapidly because they don't want to invest in minimizing fuel boiloff) for a one-way expendable mission that is very mass-limited with two astronauts... and have it still receive praise from fans.

Also damaging the protected wildlife habitats in the area

Remember that most of his hate for LIDAR comes from a bad implementation of it on the first Dragon cargo missions. It kept getting dazzled by reflections from the ISS and Elon declared in frustration that the tech was useless.

SURGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes!!!

I see. Lidar has definitely made strides and I don't see how it is not feasible / a reasonable implementation at this point

I’ve got news for you, Tesla has been a meme stock since it went public.

I can guarantee robot surgeons will not catch on in the next few years. Take it from a surgeon. In my lifetime you will not see robot surgeons…..

This is what happens when people throw money at Tesla stock when any other company would have to prove a viable product first

It was a mistake. Have you seen how the cost of LIDAR units have come down? That "extra money" is nowadays something like $200.

Funny and fucked up…(given that people have actually been killed hitting concrete barriers and such) 🤭

I am at a loss to understand how a man many consider to be a genius, dubious at best but he has had some great achievements, could cling so desperately to the belief that cameras alone without lidar is the holy grail to FSD.

I think too many people are too invested, $ and emotion, to see the emperor is not, indeed, dressed.

Hhahahahahahahahaha. Thanks, i snorted when I read that. Classic Reddit.

Would you get into a robotic?

I understand the reason if his engineers could make it work it would make fsd cheaper as that's how humans drive but maybe if they could fit a super computer in the car and have it use the same power as the human brain this tech could work but Elon is dreaming but has to keep the pozi scam going, with fake promises but their are no consequences so why not keep lieing

What about robot-assisted surgery? Will it take over in your lifetime?

Or do math.

> Was the test done during the day time? Or at night? Rain or no rain? Who cares? All of those conditions are common real world conditions.

> Why waste all that extra money on stage props? You're just as ignorant about sensors as Elmo is.

According to Elon it could drive better than a human driver…10 years ago. So yes, it is obviously not as good as they claim.

(whoosh) right over your head.

So, they are just props. They aren't supposed to work. They are supposed to give legitimacy to a huge scam.

This is hilarious

omg.. it SURGES lol

I don't believe fully autonomous robotaxis are anywhere near prime time... but ... to be fair, a slow speed fender bender, that often go unreported by drivers, are being reported as "crashes", and as a result, it's not exactly an apples to oranges comparison with human drivers. Waymo is also reporting every accident as a crash, and AFAIK, has a much lower rate than Tesla. So even if these aren't serious accidents., and even if it's not an apples to oranges comparison to humans, Tesla is still performing worse than Waymo, and that's with far more Waymos operating fully autonomously in multiple cities.

This man needs a facial hair intervention. Not everyone can grow a beard man. It’s ok.

Now see, that kind of negativity is why you’re not rich yet. You have to look at the big picture. You will be able to have your brain implanted in a robot, so you’ll still be around in the 23rd century! The first transplants are going to be starting in six to eight months, a year at the latest.

Pathological liar

Robotic surgery is pretty standard nowadays and is included in the majority of surgical residency training where available. It won’t “take over”but it implemented and used in surgical procedures where appropriate. Full disclosure, I own stock in Intuitive Surgical (which is the maker of the da Vinci robot) for the long haul lol

After robots are clear losers it will be cybernetics.

Seems to work for everybody else

Because the claim that Tesla passed the test doesn't mean anything without any info about the test that it passed

I walk past the little room where our Da Vinci’s are stored. My understanding is they are the single most expensive thing in the hospital. They look like giant spiders, but they are impressive.

To operate on who, other robots?

They’re really cool and lots of fun. I enjoyed robotic surgery in training. Yes they are pricey lol

Nah meme stocks have alweays been a thing, just they weren't called meme stocks back then. Look up Xerox and Polaroid as examples from the 60's.

Tesla stock will rally up to in response because reasons

Don't forget the space datacenters in ONE year

so you are saying that robotaxis are a scam whether or not they have lidar?

No stock tesla ever had lidar. From 2014 thru about 2021, they had a radar module that was dumped for cost savings. And yeah, it was a stupid choice to ditch it. Incredibly useful.

Tesla brain surgery bots won't have much to work with

It didn't but that didn't stop Saudi Arabia from investing in Musk's to the tune of 3 billion.

The automotive industry p/e is around 5-10.

I think it’s because he already has millions of miles of training data that is vision only and he would have to start from scratch if they were to incorporate lidar.  His dilemma is that his tech is just good enough for monitored self driving that it doesn’t make sense to redo their stack. Imagine a blackberry without a keyboard. Thats where they are at. Stuck with a tech they can’t leave.

Yes, they are a scam therefore it doesn't matter if FSD even works. It just has to work good enough to put on a show for investors.

Does he not realise that ISRG (Intuitive Surgical Inc) exists? Wait, with Musk I’m sure he wants to get rid of those pesky doctors altogether. Optimus Surgical Robot will amputate the wrong leg but that only happens 1/10,000 times, a totally acceptable rate of failure for a Musk product. Who wants redundancy during a a life threatening medical procedure.

lol hope he's the first vict... -er, patient

FSD works now. I’ve done thousands of miles highway and city driving with almost 0 issues.

Or make good decisions.

It’s the opposite: vision works much better in rain and snow than lidar. We drive with our eyes, and that’s what everything in the road system is based on. The latest FSD works really really well and drives like a human.

This turkey will cause thousands of crashes and innocent people will die. Tesla will avoid all responsibility and everyone elses insurance will increase to cover the Turkeys "technology".

All the while giving Eldof a raise

Seriously!!

Define mistake. It made the cars cheaper, which in turn attracted more gullible customers, making Musk tons of money. It unfortunately worked like a charm.

As is the stock.

makes sense

Tesla has millions of evangelists who keep telling people to buy the dip each time the stock crashes so it never truly dies sadly.

You just need to watch an FSD video for 5 minutes. None of them do not need human intervention in that short time period. It simply does not work

I’m a nobody Tesla Model Y owner with FSD. FSD has improved dramatically over the last year. With zero hesitation, I can state that it drives significantly better than human drivers (at least here in MA). Since FSD version 14 was first released, I have put on over 3,600 miles on my Model Y. FSD has driven 98% of those miles.

why does his face look like this?

I think the vast majority now know they've put all their money into this middle aged overweight pasty white ketamine abusing dude that has been buck naked for some time, and they've kept their money in because they don't want to be the ones to cause a panic. They all know there's a point where the coyote looks down and sees he's in the middle of the air above a canyon, and then plummets to the bottom, and they just don't want to be the one that shows him the sign that says "Look Down".