THE DATA IS BRUTAL: Tesla is SOO F*CKED!

It’s hilarious that he started believing his own hype that Optimus will be a thing. The crash will be glorious

Only actions matter, bro

He’ll just merge it with SpaceX

TSLA stock will just move up on promises of “robots, AI, rockets, moon settlement, mars settlement, asteroid mining, autonomous driving, Robotaxi, and unicorns”.

There is still profit?

It's great

Cybernetics will be the next grift after robots fails.

Unicorns are the most believable of all of that.

After the IPO, and with a valuation that diliutess TSLA.

biggest self inflicted wound in business history

It moves solely on the Greater Fool Theory now, like crypto or tulipmania.

Why are we practicing colonization for an event 5B years away? Edit : Not to mention Mars will be destroyed as well...

Teslatakedown!!!!!!!

OK Tesla is fucked, why is the stock so valuable compared to other car and tech companies? No journalists can explain it.

Tesla stock can’t crash because they know Musk’s self dealing will act as a backstop.

Profit down 46%. Stock up 18%, because???

Just gotta keep moving the money around. There's an Enron or two in there somewhere

I hope it is fast and swift and Musk is gone as CEO. The entire EV industry took a hit because of him, however, Tesla cars and their competitors need to continue if we are ever to realize mass EV adoption

Rarely does one get to watch a massively successful company put a gun to its own head and pull the trigger in real-time.

Why would mass EV adoption rely on Tesla?

He'll just move the goalposts - Optimus was a change in goalposts from cars.

That's why I stopped shorting it. Worked great but I'm not here for a $420.69 stock buyout.

The brain that mismanaged Tesla is the same brain that decided it was a good idea to throw two nazi salutes at the inauguration.

Tulip mania. Great reference!

But even then, they will be “by the end of the year”. Every year.

The actual answer is because there's not anyplace else to put the money. The US economy is vastly hollowed out. It's not very competitive.

Who cares? He doesn't. He has a huge salary regardless.

And bring both crashing down

It's clearly the beginning of the end for TSLA and consequently the Felon Musk empire of fraud. It just a matter of letting reality catch up to the insanity of the market surrounding it.

At one time, this stock may have traded based on its business metrics. But that time is long passed and today there is simply no relationship between Tesla's economic performance and the price of its stock. To short this, you have to believe that this relationship will be restored -- a thesis that has continually failed. I can't wait to see this implode, but I'm definitely not betting on it.

Because Tesla was the poster child brand name for EVs the same way apple did for smartphones. Except later there were better and cheaper options available so iphone lost marketshare from 20% to 15% then slowly creeping back.

Same reason bitcoin has value. An unreasonable expectation that I can sell it to someone else (dumber than me) for a profit.

Maybe because Russia/Saudi Arabia prop up the stock in exchange for all the DOGE data he stole? Just a theory!

I am. Sitting on $3m+ short position from $440s.

50% stock price appreciation coming in the next quarter

….or Twitter.

and all we’ll ever see is two guys in a horse suit.

Even in the most optimistic scenario of robotaxis and robots there is nothing that will improve their revenue or earnings decline for at least 2 years. TSLA investors are going to learn a valuable lesson. The latest earnings report was a disaster and that was largely propped up by the end of solar energy tax credits. OOF

This'll definitely make the stock go up!

I dunno man, "steroid mining" seems pretty easy. Oh, it's "asteroid", carry on.

Design babies or baby carrying robots.

Unicorns dancing around on sentient dyson spheres within 2 years! Stock goes up!!

That’s a good reason why the stock fell…. Though not the only reason.

Just wait until Elon tries creating a “land bank” on Mars.

"Tis but a scratch...

Musk has alienated his customer base and is resting on his laurels by slowly letting the competition pass by Tesla, the pioneer of EVs. I see Tesla bankrupt by the 2030s especially if they also let the Model 3 and Y rot and die with no next gen in development.

Outside of the U.S. this isn't much of a problem as Chinese EVs are proliferating the market. Those cars will never set rubber on any U.S. roads, so there's Tesla and Hyundai. That's it. The other exclusively EV brands are luxury and not affordable for a mass market. Ford is discontinuing the lightning and other ICE brands aren't offering nearly enough value (dollars per mile of range for AWD) than Tesla (best value) and Hyundai (second best value)

He thought if Trump got rid of the EV tax credit all other company would struggle besides Tesla. Boy was he wrong

More plausible than anybody believing that stock is worth anything

It’s why I never bet against a meme stock. The stock price tends to be irrational, so you can’t use rationality to buy or sell.

what ever became of Bill Gates's short?

Elon doesn’t get a salary he gets stock.

All we need is that stock to crash

He has woken up to the folly of his own Mars colony and now thinks that he can convince investors that Optimus and Grok can take over the world. The problems faced by Tesla can be traced back to one man with too much money and too many bad ideas wrapped in bullshit.

That is one big pile of shit

Totally agree. I now only buy stock in a company where i understand the company business and have a reason for thinking its undervalued. I've learnt my lesson with tips and sure things.

Kanye's might be bigger

>slowly Only in America is the competition *slowly* overtaking Tesla

Exactly. What makes Mars impervious to any Armageddonist fate bestowed upon Earth?

"Because! Because of the wonderful things he does "

It's not like several other major automakers can't offer affordable EVs in the US, they're just not doing it because the demand isn't there. But mass adoption won't happen without more of them, whether or not Tesla is part of the equation. You also seem to imply that AWD is a big factor in mass adoption, which I find pretty suspect. Without that criteria Nissan Leaf and Chevy Equinox offer better dollars per mile of range values than Tesla Model 3 or Y. I wouldn't count on Chinese EV tech staying out of the US forever. They'll find a way to export it eventually even if it means building domestic factories.

DiamondHands?

one guy and an Optimus but the Optimus will be a guy in Optimus a suit.

I want this to be true but people have been saying this for years

He is out of goalposts, which is why he kept pushing for that insane pay package

So says a nobody who’s never built anything yapping on the internet. As the Tesla achievements stack up the paid trolls up their FUD.

*ketamine

It’s pretty evident that Elon doesn’t give a crap about his cars anymore, it’s all about AI, autonomy robot whatever crap now… and when that bubble bursts, what’s left???

He > so there's Tesla and Hyundai. That's it. The other exclusively EV brands are luxury and not affordable for a mass market. This is nonsense. The new Nissan LEAF is nice. The Chevy Equinox, Bolt, Blazer, and Silverado are all nice. Rivian R2 looks to be affordable. Ford is promising cheaper EVs.

Total range is also a factor I forgot to mention the Nissan leaf doesn't come close. Equinox is almost there though. But as another commenter said Tesla is associated with electric vehicles. That's how people perceive it. If the company goes under, EVs will be set back years as traditional automakers go back to ICE vehicles and consumers shrug their shoulders and do the same

Ford just discontinued the lightning. Not sure that reconciles with what you just said

….10 years

First he ruined Twitter. Now he’s ruined Tesla. Any guesses on what he tanks next?

Nissan Leaf 2026 S+ is 303 mile range, you sure that doesn't come close? Tesla's brand is already in the toilet and EV adoption rate in the US currently sucks bad. Something's going to have to change for EVs to become popular in the US and I doubt that something involves Tesla.

The Nazi salutes were bad. Then he also went to Germany and was preaching for the far right German AFD party – that was very disturbing! The thing that really pissed me off the most was when he tried to essentially bribe people with a lottery to get out the vote. It wasn’t direct pay for vote, but it was soooo close. It left me disgusted! And then, of course, DOGE happened! What a disaster that was! No one should support Elon Musk!.

I was trading quite frequently through IT bubble couple decades ago. Saw some crazy valuations back then but nothing at the level of Tesla. I also did a lot of day trading. I learnt one important thing: be extremely careful when betting against a market. When some stock is badly overvalued you know just one thing: it will come down, but you don’t know when. Meanwhile it might still go up for a long while. But they all come down eventually. The longer it takes the bigger the crash. I mean unless Musk starts pulling all kinds of robots out of his ass soon. Edit: typo

Maga investors basically. They're all going to lose when it crashes.

I dont understand the crazies who keep buying tesla stock. they are years behind waymo. most europeans and chinese nationals now hate american products because of politics. and pretty much everyone in america who did buy a tesla for ecological reasons is not considering another one. and there are no more govt. tax credits which is why most people bought a tesla in the first place.

This is Elon with his legion of fanboys he can come out & promise flying cars driven/flown by Optimus robots “soon” and stock will hit all highs even if revenues go down to 0.

I look forward to musk trotting out his army of robots and the world collectively shrugging and going about their business of trying to get by.

Motley Fool says TSLA stock will be transformed by year end due to Optimus robots. You can't make this up people. [Motley Fool Tesla](http://Prediction: Tesla's Optimus Robot Will Transform the Stock by the End of 2026 | The Motley Fool https://share.google/BpYSrXAROPfFY1fZA)

Chevy Equinox is a pretty good value. And the Bolt while it lasts although the Bolt doesnt have AWD as an option

Can't just be your racist uncle betting his life savings. Something curious is going on for sure.

Concerning

And are you shorting it

I am, historically, the first in line to crap on Nissan. But the new Leaf looks really solid on paper and I’d like to drive one. Ditto for the Optiq and Lyric. I know Tesla tech is still out in front of many, and the charging is nice, but others are catching up on tech and Tesla has opened up some of the charging network, I’d say the competition is getting pretty real.

"Speculation"

The problem is that goalposts don't create revenue. Tesla will go into the red if the trend continues.

I don't usually expect to learn a new economic terms when reading Reddit comments. Today, that has changed with Tulip Mania!

I thought selling carbon credits was his main business, is that not a thing anymore?

He didn't wake up. He just kicked the can down the road 20 years.

Teslas aren't affordable either. They are priced like luxury cars even though they are low-quality junk.

Slate is expected to be out next year.

Tesla would have to double their earnings 4 times to have a P/E in the ballpark of Apple or Google.

The stock isn't valuable. It's overpriced.

A.k.a gambling.

And get rid of a well established and recognized brand like Twitter, to rename it .... X. I'm sure the band isn't happy about that.

So it sounds like the stock will be up 10% on Tuesday.

Yes, to me this all feels very clear. He leveraged out the ass to acquire Twitter. X’s value is well under water and the debt holders can’t do anything with their loans. So, he has xAI with a higher AI hype valuation buy X. But, for X investors to really get their money back Musk needs an IPO, hence SpaceX buying xAI/X and going public. He needs to hype up the IPO so his big backers can be made whole but the financials on all 3 companies will make it clear that there’s no foundation under it all. He wanted Tesla majority in his comp package because he knows eventually he’ll have to force a merger between his AI and “robotics” company to keep the grift going.

Are the achievements in the room with us?

Companies like Tesla usually go bankrupt almost overnight. Once then market loses confidence it will crash very hard and very quickly. It will be lucky to survive 1-2 years.

Don’t forget he just opened “Macrohard” to be the opposite of “Microsoft”

It's already priced as though there are half a million profitable Cybercabs driving all over and there are backorders for a couple million $50,000 robots. What could go wrong for them?

Now there's some in-depth research going on.

No carbon credits. No federal rebates.

Ouch... I knew there was no EV rebate here but without carbon credits I see why he's in panic mode

He'll find a new one and the cult will eat it up

I can't believe anyone believes a word he says

He is about to find out that nobody likes Nazi

You mean the SpaceX that just gave up on their whole Mars thing? The Mars thing was the "SpaceX FSD" - another piece of BS that Elon used to pump up the values. Now he has effectively given up - and I'd be surprised if he can get a Man on the moon 70 years after NASA did. Imagine rewarding that.....lack of innovation. 70 years. That's the time frame from before the first airplane flew - until we got to the Moon! Now, with all the money and tech and experience, 70 years later we can't make it back....

The crash will be glorious, with added space debris sparkles.

I remember when after the election it was down to like $270 a share now it's well over 400. It's a meme stock, and I don't know if anything will ever take it down.

I have a hard time believing it considering how the stock has been defying logic for years.

You're right of course -- but the enormous disparity between facts and price has been here for years. Has it not?

Agree and disagree. In consumers minds, electric vehicles are associated with Tesla. If the company shudders, it will be a longer time before we see mass adoption of EVs. To your point however, as long as Schmuck remains CEO, mass adoption of EVs might take even longer. It's a terrible timeline. About the Nissan leaf - I did not realize their newest 2026 model achieved 300 miles of range. I stand corrected.

Good reason for the stock to rocket!

*by the end of year* Now where did we hear this before?

SpaceX was an outright scam, until it accidentally became a military contractor. Now it's worth whatever the US government allows it to be.

Don't worry he still has his crypto scams.🤑

FIFY: The problems faced by Tesla can be traced back to one **racist** man with too much money and too many bad ideas wrapped in bullshit.

Still the highest selling EV company in the world. He’ll be fine.

I approve this amendment

Slate better up range before Nissan just sticks a truck bed on the new Leaf platform

He's been falling for his own hype for ages. That he's going to have a self driving car, that he's going to sell millions and millions of units, that the roadster will exist, that the cybertruck will sell well, and on and on.

I really really hope so. It’s insane the level of fraud and manipulation they’ve been allowed to get away with

Stock pumps. People are stupid.

Come on R2

Yes he was, 💯. I still don't understand that train of thought

That is also surrounded by yes man. Form the outside tons of Tesla decisions just seem like shooting themselves in the dick. Like the cyber truck you have all the momentum in the world and you choose to lead with a turd.

Obvious turnaround plan: eject & divest musk.

Musical chairs.

Nice. I'm old. Under my desk are two, two drawer Enron file cabinets. Nice heavy solid wood. I also bought and gave away a bunch of Enron logged golf balls. I saved one.

Greater Fool Theory.

Motley Fool says many things. They often seem ‘hypey’ to me.

Perhaps you should find out what office furniture Tesla uses. Where you would put them in your house. I think optimus models can be used as lawn ornaments.

Elon doesn’t care about anything except Elon. Never has. Never will.

But seriously, which competing car beats the Model Y on range, acceleration, storage and price? I don’t know a single car

His cars

I assume you have evidence for this ridiculous statement? No? I’m shocked! /s

SpaceX buys Tesla

Because the dow is over 50k!

Don't let stats fool you. TSLA is a buy for me.

The Mach-E and Blazer SS are badass!

Profits down 46% - Musk’s income up how many percent?

Outside of Chinese cars? Ioniq 5 but it has ICCU issues

SpaceX does have the cheapest delivery cost to space. It isn't as though they're faking launches and recovery of the main rocket. It's the sort of technology that NASA should have tried making. With that being said, Musk is a grifter and scammer.

Ioniq is much smaller and slower than a model Y. You can even include China cars, sure. These were the only ones to get close.

You should short them lol

And eventually crash both.

They have the cheapest launches that they sell mostly to themselves so they can have the kind of demand you need to to reduce costs like that. Those launches are paid for by investor money and starlink, which is an infrastructure company that has to replace it's entire infrastructure every five years

SpaceX will privately buy it and take it off the market, to a tune of say, $4000/share? And the grift keeps on coming!!!

Not fucked until its stock price reflects what it is. Which is not even a car company anymore. It’s a dream. Minor shareholders live a bullshit dream. Major shareholders are up to something because nothing makes sense. Oligarchy. Whatever. It’s been off for years.

Keep selling the dream.

Now look up South Sea Bubble

Look at this silly non-cultist with his silly questions

What scam will he pull off next? There will be a film / documentry about this uncovering it all...

I thought it was “up the ass”

Optimus will need to be accompanied by an attendant - much like Robo Taxi. Someone will need to switch it off , or decapitate , when it runs amok.

FIFY: He just took an IV drip with adderall and vyvanse, combined with a ketamine downer, and convinced himself that 24 was 72 and eyelids don't need to shut or even open.

Absolute nonsense. The richest country can’t find anywhere else to invest? You gotta be fucking joking, or a Russian bot or something. Holy shit.

Don't worry. With Steiner's attack, this will sort itself out

It’s always better for the market if there’s more competition. Tesla is still leading in efficiency, which is the most important metric, but the pressure that they put on other auto makers is fading as they’re falling behind. I would have really wished for them to try and enter the big leagues (i.e. the Golf and Polo classes where competition is fierce, volumes are high and margins are thin) to put pressure on the other manufacturers with a model in the 25k Euro price range. Now that market will be left to Volkswagen again… they’re outselling Tesla in Europe now but they will get lazy as soon as their position has solidified.

Because we need to have at least one last man on Mars in 59 years so that he can dream/preincarnate himself into the primordial soul and awaken the sleeping Forever edit: NVM, misread 5B as 58, which works out to 2084 so I thought you were making an Ayreon reference

People have been talking about a crash for years now. I’m starting to lose faith that it will happen

The new Leaf is basically a Renault. Which only shows how far behind the US EV-Market has fallen. Where we in Europe and the rest of the world have a lot of Choice, the US is basically an EV Desert with only a handful of Models available. So Tesla still looks like a leader in Technology where globally seen it has fallen behind already.

He was too busy trying to cover up the Epstein files. Which he has somewhat managed to do.

What if the share price drops by 90% and SpaceX just buys Tesla?

A small dip probably not gonna affect elon. Its not like hes gonna go chapter 7

Is it really that bad i know they have a space contract that they haven't been able to meet the deadlines.

This shitty tesla robot wont be near anything from competition. In EVs they head a headstart and logically caught up by competition. Now dont stand a chance. Boston Dynamics and China will lead in the Robotics transformation which first happens in the industry and not in the consumer space. Robotaxis will be a thing. Question is how long can Tesla stay ahead for this. If they cant they are a dead company and will be just in history books in 10 years

Big if true

There's gotta be a few hundred rich people who either put down $50k for a Roadster, or if ordering the topline version put down the $250k. If those people had put the money in stock or Nvidia that money would be a few million now! Not delivered in 7 years! There seemed to be a lot of hyper in the Roadster. they claimed it would have a 200kWh battery! I don't believe they can fit 200kWh in the car! And if it did the battery would have weight 700kg. The only other electric vehicle with a 200kWh battery is the 3.5t Silverado SUV! Yes - I know they did test drives in Roadster that accelerated to 60 in <2 seconds. But you can fake the battery size just by putting the batteries in serial to deliver the power but have only 50mile range not the claimed 600. You then HOPE by the time the car comes to production that battery pack tech has caught up!

Long was die Aktie angeht

Oh you sweet summer child, the stonk is gonna pump on any news or no news at all.. it's Teslur the original meme stonk.

Isn't it a bit weird that no one has been on the moon since then? I'm not trying to be a conspiracy nut I just can't really understand it.

Both are common

Dude really went from selling out stadium tours to mumble rapping about hitler on twitch streams

Burn baby burn

Honestly, the “voter lottery” should’ve been more than enough to get the guy charged with election interference. Although it sure backfired on him here in WI.

was\*

There’s just nothing of value there aside from the right to say “I did it.” Similar to climbing Mount Everest, but instead of hiring sherpas to carry your stuff, it takes billions of dollars worth of time and equipment. That being said, I’m all for billionaires making moon trips like us normies climb mountains. They can go up there and stay.

He most likely knows Tesla is going down, hence why he's taking SpaceX public. Companies that need cash usually go public for this reason, especially ones that were going bankrupted with owners trying to recoup their money back.

The lawn gnomes of 2027

And on top of that, the constant lies. The broader thing I see going on in the economy is that wall street seems to be taking everything at face value. Whether it's Elons ridiculous promises that keep goosing the stock but never follow through or job numbers from the fed that fly in the face of observed reality from main street, it seems everyone is happy to keep the good times rolling and stick their head in the sand

> There's just nothing of value there Helium-3

I mean... some guy with more money than common sense would have went there right? Just to make a livestream on the moon or some shit like that?

TSLA investors will move a lot of resources to try the same game with SpaceX stock.

Mars was always a pipe dream, and Starship is a dead end, but SpaceX is actually doing real and practical work in satellite launches and servicing the ISS.

Was there any way to harness it in the 1970's?

The entire industry took a hit because Musk supported ending the EV tax credit from the federal government. He thought he was pulling the ladder up after him and was screwing his competitors, but his actions turned off his target market, so he played himself.

NASA did try: https://youtu.be/wv9n9Casp1o?feature=shared As all we have is SpaceX's own claims regarding cost to orbit, and without them being listed we have no access to their accounts, we must take it with a large pinch of salt. One of the reasons NASA stopped the DC-X project was the desire to have the spacecraft land like the shuttle, this saves the weight of the landing fuel needing to be round-tripped into orbit. It certainly seems this idea is still not dead with the Chinese and Americans both building modern spaceplanes that potentially will be even cheaper into orbit.

I have begrudgingly signed up for Starlink at a rural property in the UK. It is most definitely a stopgap solution until fiber is rolled out to this location some time this year. What changed my mind from boycotting it to taking it up is that they are giving away the terminals here FOC with no fixed term contract. There is no way my short-term use of Starlink will ever be profitable to SpaceX / Musk. 🤣🤣

And the stock soars.

Probably, 2 reasons: 1 - A lot of people got rich with it in the past.  2 - Elon still make very nice promises about their future. So people but it's stock as a gamble, like Bitcoin.

Lots of uninformed idiots in here..........

That's highly likely.

He just needs his long lost step brother to design him the car of the future.

It was an incredible self own

>SpaceX does have the cheapest delivery cost to space True...maybe. There has to be a reason that SpaceX has done over 30 capital raises...and it isn't scaling up the launch cadence. It almost makes me think their launches for external clients are loss leaders - which may be fine in a high growth business, but launch services aint that.

Vietnam. Other things which ate out our entire National Budget and more. The war on poverty. Civil Rights. Getting to the moon required a vast percentage of our resources - and once we got there, there was little to pull us back. There really isn't a lot of reason, other than a touchstone, to go there.

Along with Optimus Bang Bot with monthly feature activation subscription service !

The one thing he's done that actually shows promise, and he's going to kill it with one of his scams.

> It's the sort of technology that NASA should have tried making. NASA made that technology... SpaceX is doing shit NASA did / could have done 50 years ago.

>richest country can’t find anywhere else to invest you kinda answered your own question there . . . the rich want to replace labor with machines they can control, and that can't vote. perhaps in the future robots will count as 3/5 a human for electoral purposes.

itsfreerealestate.jpg

asteroid impact (but it makes much more sense to spend every dollar on prevention of that first) there's also wonkiness possible with the Yellowstone caldera blowing up; the earth has been pretty quiet since Tambora in 1815 (1816 was the most recent "Year Without A Summer") But "Saving Humanity" isn't what Elon's really on about, that's just the PR bullshit

~2% of every contribution into a relevant index fund is required to buy TSLA. so short of people liquidating QQQ etc gravity is reversed for this stock (and the rest of the "mag 7", which are collectively 1/3 the broad indices like VOO) TSLA is also the most active stock for options trading, so its price can be jerked upwards +$50 just on that, and repeated at will more or less. At any rate +$50 is much more feared than -$50 by this market.

I added OTM May puts when TSLA was $475, they are down 30% with 4 months to expiry.

TSLA got a wakeup call a year ago; it bottom at $222 in early March. Elon is going hammer & tongs on the "Robotaxi next week!!11!" BS, but thus far it's kept the shorters at bay for 6+ months.

They believe Elon's spiel that $1/mile robotaxi will be an Apple-scale business next decade. The stock was $300 ($20 in post-split share) for much of the previous decade, priced at $60B+ market cap when it was only selling thousands of Model Ss. Then the 3 and Y arrived and pushed the price up 10X.

Elon is not a people person and doesn't want to sell cars all his life. The end game for Tesla is making robotaxis; after that he can f- around with robots, rockets, and WASP supremacy.

Wish I was smart enough to understand that

indeed; just might take a ~$15k hit trading in my MY for the R2 next year. Put the $100 in last week LOL.

Your tax dollars at work

I love my 2023 Model Y AWD. Got it for $40K OTD with $10k off gov't money and $6000 off list. Tesla has done jack shit since then. If anything it's falling apart as a car maker.

Tell us where the real investment will be going? A rich country should be looking to make the lives of its citizens better not worse. That is true investment.

To augment the Optimus supervisor workforce, we will transport cheap labor from South America via a hyper loop and bore tunnels under the US/ Mexico border.

Honestly one reason it is propped up is exactly this — a LOT of money is made off TSLA volatility. It is a cash cow for derivatives and it has a cult following. Just looking at the weekly option chain implies something like a 4% move in a few days. With one of the most liquid option chains in equity, fundamentals don’t matter at all.

Discontinued, but Ford is far from exiting the EV market. They’re already working on a smaller platform for 2029. They also lent a lot of EV tech to Red Bull’s engine for F1 this year.

No, and there's probably still not a way yet to get it back to earth in the quantities to make it financially feasible. Most likely it will need to be processed on the moon then sent back. If that can be accomplished, there might be trillions of dollars worth of it.

What's your risk on this?

Thanks a lot, OBAMA!

At this point, Tesla sales in China have effectively collapsed, and Europe has no interest in driving a “Swasticar.” The whole robot hype is pure copium and without massive government subsidies, none of it is viable anyway.

A space plane is stage 2, which is something SpaceX currently don't recover. Even Starship takes so much damage that it would be useless if they were able to land it. Perhaps reuse the engines. Major costs are saved by recovering stage 1. Blue origin were able to copy SpaceX with a successful barge landing so they're not far behind.

And became the richest, most miserable bastard in the process!

They may have had momentum, but the foundation was already rotten.

Fk this stock. May my short position $ burn in Valhalla righteously

There must be some longer term puts worth buying. Am I right in thinking they can be acquired as much as two years out?

But they are focusing on a cheaper EV - at least that’s what the CEO has said.

How sad🤣

The thing is that Tesla had pretty big starting advantage in electric and autonomous cars, so as it was becoming clear that countries were going to aid the transition to electric vehicles a lot of (if not most) investors thought (rightfully) that Tesla was the best bet for big return in the medium term in the auto industry AND tech sector, this created a massive demand for the stock and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't think it was fair to imagine in 2019 the massive 180 in electric cars that the US government did, the involvement of Tesla's CEO and image in things as unpalatable for european consumers as white supremacism, and the incredible boom in chinese electric vehicles. Now there is a lot of holding on because of sunken costs and too big to fail mindsets.

But, but, but Elon is a Genius! An Oracle I tell you! Hail Elon!

I guess that's why he did that right wing AfD speech via video link. He should be in an European jail for election interference, preaching hate and mass misinformation (twitter).

You're acting like Tesla is ahead in autonomous taxis (stop calling them robotaxis that's such a shit name) and that they will give the company a good return.

May it crash spectacularly

There's an infinite number of parking spaces to put your unsold cars in space.

Dont worry SpaceX will buy it for 175 trillion dollars! Then Elon will be worth the whole Earth! Its genius!

Do you mean do I have a stop loss? No, I don't. I would probably add to this position if it ever returns to $470.

JABIDEN did this too!

He just now realized the moon was so much closer? Too bad that was impossible to know when SpaceX was started.

Sounds good. What is the downside?

TSLA is no longer a car company, they are an autonomous vehicle company who does not produce or license autonomous vehicles or software

So frustrating, Tesla could be so much better. They could have kept developing and making cars. There’s very little out there competing with the model x for example, but nope. Nazi salute ketamine fuelled cybertruck and robot bollocks. The sooner the stock tanks the better, maybe someone else can buy it out and do something better.

What are some of the specific examples of fraudulent behavior?

Cisco was worse? Maybe a good blue print for Tesla too

Maybe look at the face of the franchise “Elon”…

I hate Elon’s politics, I mean really hate, I think he’s a terrible human being. BUT, he keeps betting the farm on things that seem like long odds and winning. People not buying Teslas, Ok shift battery production to support building Semis and cybertaxis . Over promised on self driving for years, guess what, it is finally getting pretty good as the AI and AU hardware have finally gotten good enough. Starship will eventually be a success even if late and putting data centers in space actually makes a lot of sense, though people want to exaggerate how insurmountable heat dissipation is. If Grok fails to gain traction, sell the sever overcapacity to other AI players. The main advantage Elon has is how synergistic his endeavors are like reusable Falcon (and soon Starship) to launch Starlink. Starlink will evolve to do data processing when orbiting over oceans and nothing else to do.

He took money from the social media crazed market to buy twitter and drove it to bankruptcy.  So he started xAI to take money from the AI crazed market, and merged Twitter with it to hide the bankruptcy.  Then he drove xAI to bankruptcy so he's merging it with SpaceX, and he's going to take money from the market for that. Guess what comes next. The Mars bullshit has already evaporated.  He took Tesla money from the market to merge his brother's idiot solar company which was headed for bankruptcy. And Tesla, which has taken endless amounts of money from the market, is now headed down.  There's no cash cow left to merge with.

Trillions of dollars worth of He-3… To do what, exactly?

Musk got distracted with politics and now his company is struggling because of it. Musk must go!!!

>At one time, this stock may have traded based on its business metrics. It never did

the market makers are trying to save their investments. they are pumping the market to dump their stock

https://futurism.com/space/mining-company-valuable-material-surface-moon-helium

How do you think Tesla is still somehow priced at almost a 400x PE ratio? Serious question. I thought this was the worlds most obvious short years ago and yet here we are.

How da fug does this guy keep making billions?

People need cars, not everyone needs robots. That’s a crazy bid to make. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Even among Tesla fans (buyers! fans who plunked lots of money down), only 12%-ish want anything to do with FSD. Imagine walking up to a random taxi customer and being like "hey do you want this alternate to a taxi that can't take you far, will provide a maybe-survivable ride, and is commonly associated with nazis?" If successful, Tesla Inc has still only managed to generate $4.20 on the transaction XD Uphill battle, entirely self-inflicted after ceding the high ground, you love to see it

My goal is to make everyone worship me, but it'll take 100 years to achieve, haha. By then, I'll already be dead, having made a lifetime of money. If a goal starts to seem distant and people start wavering, I just change the goal immediately and can maintain it for several more years.

There is always a new rabbit in that hat. He has been doing it for a decade. No reason to believe that he will suddenly stop.

Have you seen BMW, GM and Mercedes profitability? It fell by a very similar amount. The whole industry is impacted by increased material costs and tariffs. Ford has the worst year in its history, losing $8B due to EV restructuring.

I think that’s exactly why he prioritized the robotaxi over the affordable car. He’s trapped in this house of cards of valuation based on his future promises rather than the reality of their products, which is why the stock is disconnected from all reality. A lower cost model says “we are a car company, here is a new car, now track and value us based on how we sell this new car.” They are no longer winning on the product, so they’ve gone full-bore into the promise that everyone will have a robot, robotaxis will be the norm, etc.

Crazy the board keep approving his remuneration packages. In a good few markets his alignment with Trump and his right wing views have basically ended customer interest for a large portion of people. Went from the best selling car and EV in my country to like falling out of the top 10 car sales in a year. Crazy. I know personally I sometimes regret not buying one last year as they are great. But couldn’t bring myself to hand money to that clown.

I've heard many good things about starlink from rural UK. And they all say they will go for fiber if it becomes available.

If Tesla rids itself of the Afrikaan Ass I’ll buy a Tesla to celebrate.

Which will happen first: Tesla stock crash, AI bubble burst or GTA6?

He hand picked the Tesla board.

He’s still selling out any show he wants… just saw him in Mexico 200,000 people went.

It’s scam holding company. It is not worth 1/1000 of what it’s market value is. Should be investigated by Congress once Trump is gone

Thanks. That makes sense - doing everything to keep the shares valued like a hyper scalable software startup. Anything tesler can do, China can (and will) do better IMO. Not sure if the price buoyancy is due to suckers, or market fraud. I guess both.

Guy is one of the smartest and riches man on the planet while you complain on reddit. Why does your comment even matter?

To continue with a CEO whose mouth and political leanings cuts profits in half does not make sense. Time to cut Elon out of the car company and let him build fake AI robots on his own dime.

The world was built on racist motives, don't be so nieve.

Tesla needs to dump Elon. It is not like Elon owns the company. He built it and has now trashed it.

Thats wild, I had no idea

Well, “Tesla” is the shareholders who have all bought into this mess of a grift. Getting rid of Elon would be to refocus on Tesla as a car company and the stock will come crashing down, and the shareholders don’t want that. They are all part of the lie and they just want bigger and bigger lies to keep it going. It wouldn’t surprise me if a few more years of continued heavy market share loss that the reality of Tesla’s core business become so unavoidably obvious they spin off the car business stock from the BS part of the valuation.

Are you implying that we should stay racists? Did we not learn to move on from that dark part of our history? Did you know that Elon Musk's family had slaves in South Africa? He comes from a wealthy family in SA that had slaves working in the mines that they owned. He also was an illegal alien when he started working in the USA. Shouldn't he be deported? Do you have no moral compass when you pick people to defend?

He claimed that DOGE could save us $2 trillion per year. Yes, he said that on a whim, but he still said it on stage to the whole country. He said the savings would pay down the debt. Then later said it would be returned to taxpayers in the form of checks. He wound up saving us absolutely nothing. He arguably lost us money by defunding useful agencies and eliminating programs that generated revenue. Worse still, his USAID cuts have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. The world's richest man took power in our government, and used that power to kill hundreds of thousands of the world's poorest people. If you are okay with Elon, I'm not okay with you. He ranks among the biggest mass killers in American history.

Can you post Xs financials?

Lack of innovation? Are you retarded or do you just hate the man. I love these liberal infested threads from ignorant dickheads.

It won’t be long before everyone can easily see them. Since they are now part of SpaceX and SpaceX is going IPO, it’s required that they release 3 years of audited financials which will include SpaceX, X, and xAI.

Musk man bad! CCP modern slavery good! 👏

Anyone seen the new roadster? No, me neither, nor have anyone that paid deposits. Everything he does is based on vapourware to drive up the share price and deposits from early investors and then he delivers what he can while reaping the rewards personally from the inflated share price. Clever, but such a con job

How old are you?

Well at least X is hugely profi...oh wait.

No, I don’t think he “woke up” from his Mars colony…it was bullshit to begin with. If he was serious about that he would have been investing in hundreds of other businesses needed to make that a reality. He needed the Mars lie for investment dollars into SpaceX, and it served its purpose. As others have noted, StarLink is a loss leader so he needs a new lie that suggests a need for increased launches in the future so that SpaceX gets valued for the same bullshit reasons that Tesla’s P/E is removed from reality…hence the current lies about data centers in space + moon colony that would require constant supply (read SpaceX launches) to keep running. I’ll give Elon credit where credit is due…he invested in areas others weren’t and those have made him insanely wealthy, but his biggest W is being such a snake oil salesman that he’s the richest man in the world. Everything he does is about keeping the house of cards standing.

Oh no!

It's because they are not paying Elon enough.

but will be harder. I mean, selling cars vs selling rockets...

Where the fuck do people come up with this shit

I would say you have nailed it.

It will not crash for a long time. Investors still absolutely believe him

But his profit margin is through the roof

Stop it. My granddaughter wants a unicorn, and I said she can have one. My credibility is on the line. She's already impatient for me to deliver.

I'm waiting for Elon to sell me a Martian peerage and the lands pertaining thereunto. Come on, Elon! Take my damn money!

As in artificial wombs? Elon would have a million of those made for his own use!

Elon had an enthusiastic customer base in people who loved the technology that was challenging the internal combustion engine. And then he said a huge FU to them and intimated that he wanted them in concentration camps. Meanwhile, MAGA is not going to bail him out. Greatest act of self-harm since Brexit.

Yup, if he can actually make it work. The clone army .... ugh.

Your data is how you pay.

Because no-one wanted to pay for it. NASA was always first in line for government cuts. It’s mostly been consumed by SpaceX these days, and SpaceX wastes a lot of money in making a profit.

Tesla is a meme stock. It’s a group of staunch maga like supporters in a way. No evidence or logic stops them from whipping it forward. Investing in the TikTok era…

I am In the smoky mountains and all my neighbors are on starlink. I’m on T-Mobiles UG band with a Mimi 4x4 antenna and my speeds are 4x and without any caps. And I pay 50$ a month…

Maybe the pillowman can give him some pointers.

perfect time to buy the dip, the warren buffet strategy is the best, buy when the little guys sell! Also my cousin bought at around 22 dollars in 2018, it's at 413 dollars... I don't think anyone is unhappy lol

And yet he will justify his trillion dollar compensation, while not giving raises to employees.

No one calls it “X”. Please, it will be Twitter till the end of time, or until it just ends

Dont forget the Canadian boycott after the 51st state rhetoric

How does there stock or this guy have so much value? Like he’s worth trillions but why do the shares appear to be propped up

When I see "X", I see the close button, which is what people should do to it.

Sex robots are only the latest thing. There was also the DumpsterTruck thing, and the Semi thing, and the autopilot thing, and the robotaxi thing, and the solar tiles thing, and the brain chip thing..and and...

Anyone in the chat actually tried HW4 FSD?

Saddest part is Board *KNOWS* Muskrat is destroying the Tesla brand, and not promoting BEV to Trump enough to save the tax credit, and American jobs to boot!

Fun Fact Tesla never made a profit the only good thing is Kenny G and Citadel shorted so many shares they lost count 😂

It's a meme stock. Nothing more.

Wow, yeah, it must be tough owning a company only worth 1.2 TRILLION dollars. All the other trillionaires must be laughing at him.

You should probably short it in a big way. You sound like you have serious conviction

I’m still shocked people still want to buy Tesla! Supporting a Nazi and an individual who is trying to destroy the middle class.

Rural NZ here and I had to get starlink so I could complete a university course as the copper ADSL was frankly unusable for anything but a little light streaming. Starlink genuinely works as advertised, which is mind-blowing when you compare it to his other products/claims. But as soon as we moved house (still rural) I switched to fibre because it was available.

If it all went to shit tomorrow I’m sure Elon won’t care what you all think he’s got enough money to sustain himself and family for generations.

Hey bright guy, if it’s MAGA, what explained TSLA’s crazy valuation for the past decade when he was the Leftie’s poster boy for EV’s and Green Energy? Let your TDS/EDS guide your investment decisions. Go all in on the DEI index.

I’ll bet on unicorns

No one has a job let alone money to buy an expensive car

He promised data, AI and now robotics. We got the worst and Elon got all the money.

Got those sweet sweet government contracts

I mean.. if bitcoin can persist, it stands to reason that so can Tesla

Did nobody notice the racism lawsuits that Tesla LOST? The scary thing is that so many of our brothers and sisters are still being abused in Tesla plants, yet are bound by NDAs.

It's not traditional wall street. Compare the holding percents and who ranks highest between Tesla and nvda or anything it's compared to. Tesla is heavily owned by retail, which is why so many on the street want to be short it but know it will be a messy fall, not a valuation true up. There is so much momentum in being a darling and cultural icon to retail investors. They have terrible tax treatment to actively optimize (vs most institutions) and easily get swayed by historical performance.

Wasn’t that practically the same salute Mamdani and so many other American politicians make? Just executed by an awkward autist?

Quit your BS.

You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for.

Keep in mind: Starlink will be so profitable that it will fund the Mars colonies. Because Oklahoma, South Dakota and sub-Saharan are a massive untapped market of high earners with $120/mo. to spend on high-latency internet access. Trust the plan.

In all honesty an aspect of this is his missed trick… Optimus would be better manufactured under SpaceX because. They could be applying the environmental standards they need that those could be preparing a Mars colony long before it is considered human habitable. Using robots to replace menial Earth jobs will have massive repercussions on low skilled employment, etc.. Sticking them up on Mars is a win-win for both planets. At least initially, it would only be a colony for the rich anyway.

This has always been evident - it's a way for a US based ISP to basically evade the monitoring regime all the ground based ISP's have in local jurisdictions.

Get your facts straight. I have serious issues with Elon. But everything you said is FUD. Twitter was bankrupt before Elon made the offer. Twitter then did a lot to make its financial position even worse when he made the offer and Twitter failed to hold up to the requirement Elon had for buying them. He was forced to buy them anyway. He then proceeded to fix Twitter's broken finances. xAI bought X when Twitter finally became EBITA profitable and was obviously within a few months from being net profitable for the first time ever. xAI is a hyperscaler. Like the other US hyperscalers, it is highly profitable per model over each model's lifetime, but like all hyperscalers, its growth rate is so fast that it has a negative cash flow. It has to compete with Alphabet and Amazon and those companies are putting as much investment as they possibly can into AI data centers. xAI needed liquidity,  not profitability, which it already has. SpaceX has both. SpaceX is the only space launch company in the World that is profitable on space launches without subsidies. The US state (Pentagon, NASA, etc) uses it because it's the best value for money. That said, most of SpaceX's profits come from Starlink. Its launch business might be much better than anyone else's, but it is still extremely low margin.

SpaceX might go public. It depends on how fast they go for building a million satellites' worth of data center in space. Because obviously when you build stuff, you need money. Even if it's profitable, cash flow might be an issue. If Starship takes to long or if the rate at which AI is scaled is reduced or if Musk can raise enough capital without going public, SpaceX is unlikely to go public. I.e., the question is: What is the limiting factor. If the limiting factor is cash flow, SpaceX is likely to go public, otherwise it's extremely unlikely.