Sans paywall [https://archive.ph/aRut9](https://archive.ph/aRut9)
Elon bet everything on the cybertruck. Nobody wants one. Now he has moved on to try to get xai/spacex stock listed on an index fund so people who otherwise would never touch the stock will pour money into it.
Can’t read the article due to paywall, but I seriously doubt it’s anything more complicated than people no longer want to be associated with this guy. I sold mine because of him and will never buy another while he’s associated with the company.
Sure he can
Tesla isn't a car company anyway
I do think Elon can explain most of the issues, it's his choices in what direction to take the company that causes a lot of the issues described. Instead of focusing on upgrading their vehicles and being a better vehicle manufacturer he's wasting the resources on crap like robots, cyber trucks and his cabs. Teslas were popular because it was new and exciting tech, they haven't kept ahead of the market in terms of tech and folks are finding out the rest of the product is pretty meh and others do those things better.
Well, Elon HIMSELF, is why I do not have a Tesla. I used to be a huge Tesla fan. So much that before they initially went public, I called their HQ and asked how to invest (At the time, my location and traveling made HAVING a Tesla a horrible idea). Luckily, they were thinking about taking it public and I didn’t (THANKFULLY) invest. Even though I could now drive a Tesla, I would never. I detest Elon THAT bad. And he has shitted all over Tesla. I think the company is doomed under him.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. He bet everything on cybertruck, semi, not introducing or updating models, roadster, humanoid robots and taking another swipe at solar (because the last time wasn’t a disaster enough!
He can't explain why getting involved in controversial politics and shitposting racist statements might drive away customers? If that's not enough, how about the fact that the cars themselves are low quality overpriced shite.
actually you should not buy from Tesla as long as the board is populated by the current members because they turn a blind eye to whatever Elon does and enable him, one could even say they are bought.
I don’t think the 500,000 fired Federal employees and their many friends and family would ever buy a Tesla.
Ponzi A is awaiting imminent collapse. Engage Ponzi B.
Who said it ever was.
The cars are just stage props for the ponzi scheme.
He'll always own the company
Elon alone is the reason. He has majority of decent Europeans against him.
It's doomed either way. The ponzi stock needs him. The company however cannot surive with him either. His reputation alone will drive away customers regardless of the products he pretends to produce.
I was able to get a 2023 Model Y AWD out the door for $40k 2 years ago. now the de-contented AWD is $42k + TT&L … that’s also part of Elon’s problem.
I've been saying for a while, part of the pivot to trump was to hide what was a natural upcoming peak of popularity for Tesla. Forever they have been running fast and screwing over like 20-40% of the customers who then leave put off by the brand and Elon. Up until 2025 there were just new suckers filling in to replace them. But we're done. The preorders are filled. Everyone who has ever wanted a Tesla got one. And turns out a lot of them don't like the reality past musks lying.
Huh? It's not a secret why Teslas EV market share is shrinking: the competition is making better EVs for about 5 years now.
Aging product line.
There are several factors at work: 1: Elon Musks ‘right-wing’ ‘Nazi-Style’ behaviour that went down in Europe like a lead balloon… 2: Trump and America becoming Anti-Europe 3: Cheap Chinese cars, offering ‘better value for money’ 4: Cost of living, people can’t afford as much, postponing buying a car is one way of making savings.
But did you because of his support of trump and doge? Or because he's a lying conman and the cars aren't as good as he says they are or the qc and service are atrocious. If it's the second then yes it's because of Elon, but not because of his politics
1. He siegheiled his way out of our hearts. 2. Teslas aren't unique anymore.
You forgot robotaxi and FSD that is coming *by the end of the year*
1) Elon directly insulting or supporting specific figures and parties can ire people enough. 2) Tesla only makes D class cars and above, in some markets, like Europe, there is only so many big cars you can sell before hitting into a wall and needing something smaller. 3) some car manufacturers managed while not to completely catch up, offer value in different packages which is perceived good enough to steal the deal.
How do you get a stock to be listed on index funds?
He can't explain anything let alone comprehend a time frame.
I think it also has a lot to do with the cars in general. They really aren't that great in comparison. If you are talking 0-60 acceleration... sure. It's impressive. That's a number that just doesn't matter to most people. At the start, they were THE choice for EVs. Ten years ago, I talked to many people who liked the idea of an EV but felt they could get a lot more for the price. Now there is a lot more competition for EVs across various brands. If you want an EV, it doesn't need to be a Tesla anymore. My folks own a Model 3 and are just done with the inconvenience of it. Someone bumped into them and the repair work was a major hassle. They won't take it on any trip outside of the city due to the time it takes to charge it.
Yes Elon alone can be the cause.
Maddening decisions that decrease functionality, unfulfilled promises on FSD, and a CEO whose public persona gets worse on a daily basis aside, Tesla as a car company is very stale. No real redesigns of any of the S3XY product line, a truck designed by Homer Simpson, and no serious expectations of anything changing any time soon don't equal more customers when other companies are offering multiple choices in every market segment.
For me and many others, it’s 100% his politics.
2024, 2025, 2026, im sure 2027 they will hit it out of the park
If they did some smart thins like pivot their opinion on lidar and radar and added that into cars. If they would stop the BS on full self driving and focus on the vehicles. Just everything Elon seems to say and talk about is a distraction and is exhausting to listen to even for people who like the Brand itself like me. He has got to go. Let someone else run the car company and let him have anR&D place where he can BS investors to death.
It really is a huge part of it.
It absolutely can, the buying base wanted to look socially conscientious, or at the very least be a little cool. Now it's there's just weird politics and cringe all over the brand, while competitors are "normal".
Same.
lol Elon alone? Ignoring his politics, his misunderstanding of tech will ALWAYS keep him and his companies behind. The fact he thinks he can patch a lidar into old tech just shows how out of it he is. anybody that thinks. OTA updates will patch their problem is a fool. It is this reason why they will ALWAYS be behind now. They were lapped despite having their headstart, they haven't inovated and are trying to cut it down more
I mean is it really that complicated? Elon probably can't see it because he truly sniffs his own fart. But I think the issue is that he alienated BOTH buyer bases. For the people who are very into politics, the people on the Left doesn't want his cars due to not wanting to be associated with Elon's shennanigans. The people on the Right doesn't want his cars because it's an EV. You're then left with the folks who don't really care about politics and just want a car that can do what they need at a price point they want (the average buyer). He's doing a terrible job at convincing those people due to the ramp up in competition and Tesla now being dated. People are just bored of the same old models and features are now being cut, quality going down, while price is going up. That makes people not want to buy the car. The left may not want his cars anymore due to not wanting to be associated with his shennanigans. The right doesn't want his cars because they dont want EVs. Politics aside, you are now left with a byNow, you can overcome all of that if you truly have a competitive product, which Tesla no
Is BTC A, or Tesla? Getting lost in my ponzi schemes.
You're all gonna look like idiots in 18 months when I have two Tesla robots and make them suck each other's robot dicks in a hotel room while I only have to sit back and watch.
The delusion TSLA fanbois have been telling themselves—that first to market in tech guarantees a forever moat—was utter bullshit. Tesla will join Xerox, Commodore, Netscape, AOL, and Friendster in the dustbin of history.
Deathtrap factor maybe another reason
Yeah. Its all the cybertruck. Nothing having to do with him being an Epstein pedophile that is using his wealth to help everyone from Trump to the Saudis to usher in techno fascism....
There's a non-paywall link in the post.
As long as you are paying luxury car prices for cool software in a crap car, long term success is not likely.
We haven’t sold our 2 yet, but we won’t buy another. Not to mention since he bought Twitter 2 of my sons and my sister bought new cars. They all were ready to buy Teslas a back a few years ago and Tesla was off the table for them. All 3 bought EVs. A Kia EV6 and Chevy Equinox and a Volvo.
Just have it be valued high enough to be in the S&P500
Well I mean they are for the most part really shitty cars. As this subreddit has shown.
oh right. . .it's hard to keep up.
That Nazi salute didn't land well with lots of people. And actual Nazis really hate electric cars.
How much do you need to be worth to get into the S&P 500?
you joke, but I think if optimus miraculously succeeds it's going to be because they make sex.
I’m pretty sure you nailed it.
Well that and outside of the charging network, everyone is surpassing them. Also this paywall for common, prior included features is such a naked cash grab. They are fumbling the bag, badly
To be clear, I do think Musk is a huge reason. Just not the only reason. On top of Musk, Tesla's aren't the 'electric super car' any longer. Lots of things that were revolutionary when they came out are now standard features on even entry level vehicles while the promised future features seem less and less likely to available on current vehicles (generously) if ever. Couple that with the exterior and interior both growing dated. A giant touch screen in the the middle of a blank console now feels cheap rather than sleek and minimalist. And of course other, cheaper, arguably better electric cars coming out in many markets. People have other options. Which of course feeds into the fact anyone who takes the slightest exception with Musk no longer has to go to Tesla if they want an electric car worth a damn.
Cars are junk. Deathtraps.
I have two tesla cars and i am done. Why? Because of Elon. If i knew i would have never bought. And i am sure i am not alone and thats why tesla is in big trouble.
I say it often, I will never buy another gas vehicle, and will never give any Musk related company a nickel.
I think it's a bit of both much as I'd love his politics to be refuted. Far too many people who are nominally against Musk's politics, but want an electric car, might have looked the other way. But now the cars are mediocre to shit compared to other EV offerings AND Musk's politics are offensive while he tries to be as obnoxious and attention getting as possible. So all of the factors in his prospective market demographic are aligning against him. Basically, Musk may still have a fandom, but for the people who hate him, he's made it REALLY easy for them to hate him with no real downsides.
To pivot to Lidar he would admit that he was wrong.
They might want to take a chainsaw to one though…
And to get rid of the regulators affecting his business dealings.
Just embarrasing to be Seen with a Musk product
That's really starting to feel like Goodhart's rule in action. The goal is to fake it it on to the S&P 500 and then leach off of easy financing.
> But did you because of his support of trump and doge? Or because he's a lying conman and the cars aren't as good as he says they are or the qc and service are atrocious. Por qué no los dos?
I dunno, rule of large numbers friend. Any sufficiently large group of people will contain any opinion or belief you care to name. Some of those same Federal Employees voted for Trump, after all.
Musk also just ran out of business plan. The Cybertruck was Musk's first wholly original Tesla baby rather than part of the initial business plan's product line up that was at least sketched out prior to the company going public.
A lot of it is Elon, but more of it that Tesla hasn’t innovated in years, and the competition has caught up. Which, I guess is also Elon, but in this case it’s his incompetence instead of his general grotesqueness.
The only reason I don't own a Tesla is Musk.
No, it's Elon
Elon plus bad build quality. Other car manufacturers may have taken time to get into the EV space but they are bringing higher quality vehicles to the space as they come and thus people move to the higher quality products.
Stale products that will have a Hitler loving CEO white nationalism across the globe. Surely it cannot be the ceo
The cancellation of the S and X are emblematic of the problem. All the people behind the S, X, 3 and Y are long gone and the first car they tried without them was a complete failure. Until I see evidence to the contrary I’ll maintain Elons pivot to robotaxis and robots is because they can’t build new cars anymore - at least not competitively.
Could it have something to do with Consumer Reports identifying Tesla as the most dangerous automotive brand in the world? Or maybe it's the insanely high prices? Or the broken promises about self driving? Or the weird Gork plugin that makes inappropriately sexual conversations with minors left in the car? Or... I'm now convinced that the only thing propping up the stock price is petro whale investors who want electric vehicles to fail so they can keep their death grip on the global economy. They will lose.
Plus other EVs have caught up. Tesla was 10-years ahead of everyone…10 years ago. And they haven’t had one auto innovation (other than Cybertruck) since then.
Yep. Permanent brand damage. And brain damage as far as Enron Musk is concerned.
A lot of people seem to miss this important detail. The original business plan has been successful (of course it wasn't Elons idea either) while Musk has shown that his leadership leads to shit like the cyber truck.
I’d hope not
I have a model x and asked a couple of relatives who just got their license what car they would like, first one said anything that is mine I'm happy with, second said anything but a Tesla, and third said a jeep or 4runner. I did ask the 2nd one why he didn't like Tesla, he said he just doesnt like the brand..I asked him about the different models, but nothing specific about the models he disliked but he didn't like "any Tesla". The jeep/4runner is an outdoors person. The first one wants a used reliable car that he lets him drive without having to get a job to pay it's bills.
This is the right answer. If you get past all of the ~~lies~~ promises, you get a mediocore car that isn't well built. Add in legacy automakers who have started to find a groove in the EV segment then pair it with Musk's toxicity and sales will drop.
Charging networks are catching up too though. Time was, outside of Nissan dealerships and Tesla Superchargers, there wasn't jack shit. Now there are a number of different networks popping up.
Shitty cars Stalled tech Better alternatives Failed promises Nazi Leader
Trump ended the green tax credits and forced other car manufacturers to make electric vehicles. This is all it took to get people to stop buying teslas.
Even if he was a wonderful guy who gave his money to puppies, the fact remains that Tesla has fallen well behind other EV companies. It is no longer the best choice, let alone the only one. BYD has overtaken it in Europe and Asia as well.
Acceleration mattered to this guy: [https://www.reddit.com/r/orangecounty/comments/1qvenfn/just\_happened\_at\_red\_hill\_x\_e\_warner\_ave\_stay/](https://www.reddit.com/r/orangecounty/comments/1qvenfn/just_happened_at_red_hill_x_e_warner_ave_stay/)
Musk's toxicity is just the nail in the coffin, and it's kind of hilarious. He just had to dip into right wing politics and alienate the very people who actually cared about the major differentiator of his product. As if the droves of dudes driving F-150s were ever going to trade them in for Cybertrucks.
and this guy: [Tesla goes airborne on Los Angeles street](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Q8htWeO7c)
they are literally bought. The chairwoman has bragged how much money she made, hundreds of millions. She was a random australian telecom executive and they know their role is to let Elon do anything and get paid to not care
Yes it can. If he didn't go all crazy, I would have bought one when shopping for a new car, even with the subsidies expired. I didn't, because fuck that guy
>But did you because of his support of trump and doge? Or because he's a lying conman and the cars aren't as good as he says they are or the qc and service are atrocious. I think a lot of people were willing to put up with the second part until the first part happened.
Also Elon “I have hurt no one”
For me it will be both. But unfortunately i still have to drive the POS as im upside down on the loan and done have enough money lying around to just pay off. On top of it some idiot hit from the side so it reports an accident as well. Pretty tough sell. Lets see how long we can keep it for. But one thing for sure. There wont be another tesla.
No, that's my biggest issue with Tesla. Some design decisions have bothered me. The subscription model for FSD pissed me off. But all of that would still make me check them out at least. I refuse to even look at them because of Elon.
>I think it's a bit of both much as I'd love his politics to be refuted. Far too many people who are nominally against Musk's politics, but want an electric car, might have looked the other way. I feel like the people who want electric cars are in direct opposition to the politics he sided with. People were willing to put up with the cost, issues, inconvenience & lies because they were trying to do their part for the environment. Then he went and took his shiny chrome chainsaw to the EPA. Most of the people on the side he chose seem to hate EVs with a passion. His current fandom seems to be comprised mainly of this group, especially those who can't even afford a Tesla.
Tesla owner here. This.
Musk + American fascism is a powerful repellant
I do not joke.
There's a lot of videos on YT about the poor build quality. Add that to Musk being a fascist.
A mediocre car at a premium price. Tesla’s brand used to carry it a long way. Musk single-handedly destroyed that.
Um yeah actually I think it can and does. Tesla is musk and musk is Tesla, the board that was supposed to be independent, the courts, major stock holders etc have all allowed and even insisted they be inseparable. It's not all because he's a Nazi, but all their other dumb decisions like the cybertruck, ignorant firing of important staff, doing dumb shit like opening a restaurant, refusing anything but cameras for driving input, etc are all directly his.
If he had ‘t gone full fascist, I would likely have bought another.
Ethics aside. Investing that early would have seen huge returns.
This is the answer. There was a time (generally pre-pandemic) when Tesla made the best EVs on the market. That isn't true anymore -- you get an acceptable-but-not-great car with more-or-less acceptable warranty support and significantly worse-than-average repair costs as it ages. The best EV in each category is actually made by someone else -- in may cases by legacy automakers from Ford to BMW and Kia to Porsche.
They aren't "bought". They are accomplices. He's just there as the cult figurehead whose mythology drive the stock's hyperinflated price.
\> Tesla made the best EVs on the market. The only reason they were the best is because they were the only one. I've read reports about poor build quality and other issues from the beginning. I don't know what is "acceptable" about a car with the highest fatality rates. I knew a long time ago that when the traditional automakers got into the game they would trample all over Tesla with better options.
Being called a Nazi for owning one probably has something to do with it....
The company is fundamentally overvalued and the cars are not good, simple as. See you at sub $100.
Only time will tell, but he appears to be moving his main grift to SpaceHex with the IPO in the works.
Up until recently the Tesla Supercharger network was a big reason to go with Tesla. That advantage is going away as every year goes by.
Explains it for me. Protip: "Lets start a company espousing the ethos that we are going to help save the planet" followed by "lets lurch right and support the guy who hates the planet" is a recipe for *permanent* customer alienation. (The side of: "Lets lie about FSD for a decade sure did not help either.) Never another Tesla for me. I will not spend $1 to further enrich this asshole.
The original plan could have made a sustainable business model if not for constant false promises even from the outset with his "next year" bullshit, and then pumping out a poor quality product when he finally did deliver.
Tucker.
They actually have competition now. They were only popular for one reason, they were the only game in town when it came to EVs.
They are done as a brand for me. Along with anything that enriches Musk.
Imagewise, they now have zero value for the virtue signaling poseurs that were buying them.
I thought the truck was built from old Delorean parts by some high school autoshop.
I can. Musk is a fraud and a liar. People don't like that, or at least they should not.
One thing you didn't mention was the interior looks cheap. It's always looked cheap but being the best performing ev won its battles. Now that the EV market is in full swing the interior of teslas look like someone stapled an ipad onto a full sized version of a little tikes car. Nothing about the interior says luxury in a tesla. Now people have options the tesla can't compare. They also have a poor safety record in terms of fatalities vs number of cars on the road
Yup. I love my model 3 but Elon, along with insurance, worry about repair, lack of interior luxury… these days if I were to buy again it would be a Hyundai/Kia fast charging cars.
Does Tesla not have a functioning marketing department? These people should be getting market feedback and using it to figure out what people want rather than just taking shots in the dark. If they were in touch with the marketplace, they would have long ago told Enron to STFU because he's scaring away customers. It's too late now. The damage is done.
>Does Tesla not have a functioning marketing department? They brag about not having one so I don't think so.
Another brilliant move by Wile Elon Coyote, backing a politician who will cut tax credits and other corporate welfare that fueled his company's revenue. Does he not have staff to tell him how idiotic his ideas are, and how much he's shooting himself in the foot? The sickening part is the more he does it, the more people pour money into the whole scam.
4. Especially cars priced in the luxury bracket, that aren't actual luxury cars.
The only thing propping up the stock is the Greater Fool Theory. It's a bubble.
I wanted one at the original $40,000 price point.
He was just they cherry on top. They're wildly over priced, new unproven tech. We were told less maintenance, own your cars forever. It'll be able to drive itself soon even! Appreciating asset! You can make it work as a taxi so it'll repay you! What we got was batteries don't even last a decade, range is half of what's advertised, interior feels chucky cheese quality compared to an ICE of the same cost, abysmal quality control, resale is almost on par with supercars. They're deathtraps. Lies lies and more lies about FSD, shot quality control, the ability to shut your car off for talking shit about musk on shitter, renting capabilities for something you fucking already own, oh did I mention they're deathtraps? and some of the most predatory warranty practices in the automobile business. Sprinkle on no entry level vehicle, no refresh for current models in a decade, and the cyber turd. Then for the cherry on top add a completely ducking crazy wackjob that's so god damn easy to hate as the owner and..... ya. I don't think I'd ever want a tesla, for just about any reason. Tesla is a shit sunday. Garbage company, garbage ceo, garbage cars. Anybody that's surprised is a fucking dumbass.
the anti europe rethoric made me exclude his company. Rather spend it on something european. Sad liked my tesla 3 and my next car would have been a model S. Will have a nice taycan instead.
~~I'm not sure who is on the board now but I'm guessing it hasn't changed: Elon's divorce attorney and his Musk's brother.~~ Okay, looked it up: * Todd Maron, Elon Musk's former divorce attorney, served as Tesla's General Counsel from 2013 to 2019. He was heavily involved in negotiating Musk's 2018 $55 billion compensation package. Key Board Members (2025): * Robyn Denholm: Chair of the Board, focusing on strong governance, fiduciary duty, and director compensation. * **Elon Musk**: Chief Executive Officer and Director, driving company vision and technology. * **Kimbal Musk**: Director, brother of Elon Musk. * James Murdoch: Director, experienced in media and technology. * Ira Ehrenpreis: Independent Director, involved in venture capital. * Kathleen Wilson-Thompson: Independent Director, brings human resources and executive experience. * JB Straubel: Independent Director, co-founder and former CTO, now CEO of Redwood Materials. * Joe Gebbia: Independent Director, co-founder of Airbnb, joined later. * Jack Hartung: Independent Director, former CFO of TikTok.
That was actually one of the primary reasons that one of those people gave me! "You are paying luxury car prices, but not getting a luxury car interior..."
Yep. "Free charging" was such an advantage. My parent's owned their business, so they just installed as charger there and it was "free" to them. My sister always borrows the car when my parents are out of town, and charges it at their house, so it's "free" to her. I'd rather pay for gas than drive it.
Selling 2017 and 2019 models in 2026, cool... (What does Franz Von Holzhausen been doing for the last five years?)
The cars are fine. They are priced same or lower than the competition. Yeah they could be improved in a thousand ways but there’s a reason they sold so well in the beginning. They were good enough and the competition is taking forever to catch up. IMO it’s Elon full stop. But of course each new year Tesla fails to innovate the competition creeps up, so it won’t just be Elon next year
I think it's a lot more nefarious than that. Look at where he gets the rest of his "investment" money. Peter ThieI bankrolled PayPal. The Saudis funded his purchase of Xitter. And there's credible evidence that the Chinese have routed money through the Cayman Islands to get a chunk of SpaceX. Tesla stock ownership is a ticket to buy influence.
I had some minor damage done to my Model S and it took them 3 MONTHS to fix. My insurance only covered rentals for one month….i had to rely on Ubers and public transportation for the remaining 2 months
The nazi shit isn’t helping either
Why is it hard to believe no one in the world wants to drive a fascist racist aligned car? We have choices, we make choices, the market has spoken.
Sounds familiar!
Elon alone can't explain why people don't want Teslas? WTF? I find it more confusing that there's not a 100% drop in sales because of that goon. The cars must be exceptionally good, because people are buying them DESPITE Elon.
Im amazed that there are still engineers and scientists who would work for the guy.
Now that the X is discontinued it may be tough to maintain. It may be a good gift for the “anything that’s mine”.
I can
Own a Tesla , like the car , would never buy a Tesla again because of Musk and Musk alone
They ran out of cheese?
The original plan wouldn't have gotten Tesla's market cap to half the entire auto industry. This is certainly a sign of Elon's genius and not a ludicrous mass delusion by his investors /s
>“Full self-driving is something that Tesla will conquer and probably do it better than anyone else,” he says. “Honestly, I think Elon just needs to focus on the business and get rid of the distractions in his life.” Based on what exactly? His stellar history of not making goals happen?
There can be more than one
They’re just following orders
Tesla, Boring Company, etc = Ponzi. He lies like CRAZY even if a few good items were produced
Just wait until your next flight starts showing AI generated movies because xAI owns the starlink
1) Elon 2) they're no longer the best electric cars 3) the updates have been underwhelming 4) the potential of future price cuts means that people will hold out 5) subsidies are disappearing 6) not everybody wants a car in the shape of either a model 3 or model Y And not from a current buyer POV, but for future - there's nothing on the horizon to entice anybody
He already came out and said he is going to fuck with the next election too. He’s the immigrant criminal that needs to be deported. Full disclosure: we owned two Teslas (both now gone) and WILL NOT return to the brand
To get a truly different board Elon probably have to sell Tesla or enough stock so his influence is greatly reduced. The people on the board were basically friends and family of his last time I saw and there’s no reason to believe it change anytime soon even if new people are installed.
Before Elon Musk went crazy, I was willing to tolerate some shortcomings of their products. Now I'm not, so I left. Not coming back.
Good point. It's not just Elom that's the problem.
We have 2 Ys and we both are going to get rid of ours.
Apropos of which, the F150 Lightning sold something like 30k units last year, compared to the Cybertruck's 20k. So there is some interest in an electric pickup truck - as long as it's actually a pickup truck.
Yes, Teslas are shitboxes.
Taking Elon out of it. EVs just aren't as hot as they were. There are some very cool things about the Tesla and other things that were surprisingly mediocre in a vehicle that cost $55k. The vinyl seats were really underwhelming. For the first 7 years they looked the same every year. They finally did an upgrade, but while it looks a little different, if I spend over $50k on a car, I don't want it to look the same as the same model from 2017. Having a 15" touchscreen was really cool in 2017, not so much today. Also the most recent update had some "upgrades" that seemed to be changing things for the sake of change. (one less stalk for turn signals etc.)
It’s hard to say what is not Elon since he is the one responsible. And clearly he basically chose the board members who are doing his bidding. So anything company or board related is under his influence. Any other board would have fired him after his last couple years of spreading himself thin, the government nonsense, company underperforming, cybertruck failure, unable to deliver new products, and constant lying to the public. The only thing that has done well considering is the stock price. Tesla used to be a great futuristic product and even with its flaws was exciting tech. Now it’s still basically the same thing but everyone else has caught up, and while their flaws have improved, it’s still rather stagnant as those flaws were because they were a first time car producer. Basically there are many EVs with large screens, more or less performance depending on price range, and more or less range depending on price range, providing better handling and creature comforts. Him now saying he is ending S and X production is even further proof he has no hopes of keeping up with the other manufacturers. So yes, it’s him alone.
Yeah like I'm sure it's a few other things that might have made this the last straw like crappy build qualities, the lies on features. But his heel turn is the ultimate back breaker. And yeah sometimes it's simple as that when you become awful enough.
Ioniq is the new tesla. I rarely see people with the new body style teslas (and I always wonder if the driver is a closet fascist). But I see Ioniq’s at every light it seems.
It handles awkwardly too. I rented one for a vacation & hard regretted it. The 3rd row seating literally had no leg room — 2nd row butted up to the ledge like seat behind it. The auto drive was sketchy, and frankly my lousy base model Subaru was much better at pacing the car in front of me with ACC. Spartan interior is generous, and the tablet user interface is a huge sacrifice in convenience. Plus you might die because you can’t open the doors from the outside if the battery fails. This whole car company is a lemon.
Teslas were only popular because they were for the most part the only EV on the market. It became a keeping up with the Jones’s kinda thing where you were “left behind” if you didn’t have one yet. At this point, a dozen other companies can make an EV *better* than Tesla, and Teslas only new thing in the last decade was a fucking dumpster fire. Tesla is now old news and that is new news I guess
It’s the same car they have been making for 10 years now. Spartan interior, barely any new tech. Hell, Elon could have asked Trump to allow the matrix headlights but he didn’t.
Hmmm.... well, you single handedly pissed off the vast majority of people who either bought your cars or were seriously thinking about buying your cars. Simple rule of business: don't be a dick to your potential customers!
I think people will argue it has to do with him. I I've argued for years it was a mistake to do budget cars under tesla brand. Went from luxury/status-symbol to something everyone can have.
Musk wanted mass steel volume to help bring the costs down for the steel SpaceX rockets. There was simply no other good reason to go with steel for the Cybertruck.
Right now its just ppl in America that have no chance to experience, or try chinese EVs. Rest of the world has realised how good and cheap they are. Elon is just trying to keep the grift long enuff to merge tesla into SpaceXai or some other BS. He as at most 2 more years before tesla sales totally collapses
Teslas just aren't that great and haven't been for a while compared to other evs. It's just that now people can say it is because Elon and once they check other electric cars they realize Tesla is kind of shit
Can explain, chooses not to explain
I mean they are shitty cars as well. I used to really want a Tesla. I thought the tech was cool. Then I rode in the rear seat of a model Y for 4 hours on a road trip. I literally stumbled out of the car, my back aching, as a young man. They have dogshit suspensions and are built extremely cheaply.
"Nazis alone can't explain people hating Nazis"
Lose of standard autopilot is going to be a tough sell. Buying a car for close to 50k that doesn't have lane centering is outrageous. Added to that, musk said that the FSD subscription will go up.
I turned down a free company car because of him, the board, and the inflated stock value.
Why would you buy a car from a company when the CEO say's they're not a car company. Seems simple enought to me.
I do know that Trump derangement syndrome and ketamine can impact one’s grasp on reality. Maybe Musk is failing to explain this. Or maybe they mean Tesla sales are dropping because not only biz their CEO a liar but the car has lost its sex appeal.
Ironically, you are right about the first part. Having a stable and profitable company is overrated when you can just lie your way to a high market cap.
Too many stories about people trapped inside and burned up. Terrible way to go.
Not quite the only one. There was also the Nissan Leaf.
I owned two Leafs, a 2015 that I traded in for a 2018. Even th 40kWh version was more of a city car, any trip over 100 miles was painful. CCS alternatives were marginally better once VW's EA network got going, but EA's general level of operations was lackluster so Tesla really had no competition as a primary EV, upuntilthe 2022 IRA subsidized CCS chargers, forcing Elon to go with NACS and opening it up to all OEMs in 2023.
I rented a Polestar 2 last October since I figured Hertz was going to get rid of them and as a Tesla owner I wanted to try a CCS car before they went away. It was OK, pretty close to my Model Y, but the Android Auto crap wasn't that great.
the Nissan network 2014-2020 was no serious solution for charging. (I had a 2015 LEAF that I traded in for a 2018 LEAF). CCS itself is deadman walking now; things got really weird in 2023 after the IRA bill subsidized Elon's competitors (CCS) . . . forcing Elon to open up the superchargers with NACS, which Ford, GM etc agreed to (CCS is just a shit handle/plug form factor, similar to how USB-B is vs. USB-C).
yeah I'd probably buy the $8k FSD package before 2/15 if elon was gone. But fuck him and fuck the games he is playing with A/P / FSD.
yeah having no dealers gets you to 1M/year in the US, but no higher.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Tesla was vastly better.
AOC was probably right when she said he's the most unintelligent billionaire she's ever met lol
The article captures it pretty clearly. Elements of Elon being polarizing, increased competition from other established brands, a percentage of consumers going back to combustion or hybrid models that Tesla doesn't offer, elimination of EV credits which further drive customers away from electric (and therefore Tesla), general cost, reliability, etc.
I don’t know, man. I loved my Tesla. Pained me to sell it. I haven’t seen better lane centered adaptive cruise control on other cars. It sucks. But as much as I loved the car, the decision to get rid of it like a hot potato couldn’t have been easier.
No disagreement, but it was at least a network back then. Other than Tesla and Nissan you'd see random CHAdeMO chargers and practically nothing else. Landscape looks a lot different now.
People trying to have us forget his Nazi salute. Nazis are quite unpopular
Given the history of stupidity, I'm guessing you are right. After all what marketing person would change a well established brand like Twitter to X? Rebranding is what companies do when they are trying to salvage a bad reputation.
I was more referring to zeekr, byd, leapmotor....where as you said there might be UI issues..but the 30-50% cheaper prices allows owners to happily ignore them
To Mars!
It was porn that built the internet.
Its not unusual in Norway to still have a gas or diesel for road trips.
Interesting choice of phrase
Probably doesn't help that they have a lot of reluctance to update model years (because Musk hates the concept)
Recently bought an EV, and the reasons I didn't buy a Tesla (other than Herr Musk): *Found the interior cheap. They says "minimalist", but come on...its cost cutting. *The seats weren't comfortable. *Reports of the seats material "melting" due to hair products. *panel gap issues persisting. Not that I'd notice, but it seems like if it's still a visible issue after more than a decade of production, it suggests to me more may be wrong. *id noticed door trim pieces that didn't like up on other Teslas I saw out on the road. *looooooooooooooong service wait times, and limited parts availability. *very high insurance rates as a result of above. *subscription required for basic services. *use my phone as a key....no. just no. *autopilot overpromising and under delivering. *of course, the door handles not actually opening the doors. I can only imagine existing Tesla owners have seen and dealt with some of the above and chose to jump ship.
It is not only that. The cars are dated, bad and competition caught up
I didn‘t think I would ever have to write this, but… Tesla has fallen back on Innovation by focusing for years on projects that add no value to their customers today.
It’s a few things: 1. The cars are not well made/sturdy. The M3 feels cheap. Paint sucks. Weird things like making things that should be mechanical, like doors, electronic. The crappy suspension. The cars look increasingly worse. It once was the shining example of the new era of cars. At first it was living on the cutting edge. It never got off the cutting edge even though it’s falling behind 2. Once upon a time they were cutting edge and you could overlook this stuff. But things like autonomous driving, roadster vaporware, and junkcar cybertruck have been complete failures. The batteries are vaporware. Elon doesn’t care anymore. It isn’t going to get better. Fewer and fewer people want to dump $40-100k to support losers and a car company that’s failing 3. The Elon thing obviously
Think they still like him after they got canned and lost their pension and government retirement? They got what they voted for.
Tesla was technically advanced 10 years ago. Today? Consumers have far more options, many better. Nevertheless, Elon's behavior does not help things.
Sorry, no. I owned a Tesla, had a Cybertruck pre-ordered and was on the waiting list for Starlink. Once Elon showed how shitty he is, I sold my Tesla, canceled my Cybertruck order, and canceled Starlink. Its him.
100% agree.
Well said. The competition side steps much of the excellent tech in Tesla. They try, but fall short. I have 2 model Ys 2020 and 2026. The heat pump is still a an amazing feature. My son's first gen rivian r1t doesn't. 6 years and it just works.
If the auto wipers just works properly it would be a good start. Then fix the phantom braking on the cruise control would be the next step. Never mind curvature control in Autopilot, FSD or auto park.
Did somebody say 'stock crash'? I sure wouldn't risk private money in Tesla - by the time the private investors are aware of the crash, institutional investors will have crashed it into the ground.
I did the same ahead of schedule because of Elon. Teslas are tired. They had to cancel their flagship vehicles because they’re old as shit and not worth the premium anymore. The 3 and Y are approaching that status. Everyone has caught up and there are far more exciting and unique offerings now that weren’t available in 2020 when Teslas were cutting edge. Tesla’s market share would have shrunk on its own but Elon’s hubris accelerated the decline.
Anyone with a middle school science education can tell you why xAI in space doesn’t work. “How does heat transfer? Conduction, convection, radiation.” How do you cool your cpu in space? Well, there’s just radiation. A cpu from the 90’s needs more cooling than that. This space ai only solves half the power problem.
Yep. I have one and the car is awesome. I despise the Musk association.
A while back, a Liam Denning Bloomberg article described Teslas board as... "Elon Musk’s brother, several mannequins and a life-size cutout of Michael Jordan riding a [model train](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOIHA3SSCvM)" thought this was hilarious.
He's kind of slow isn't he? Tesla may be the brand with the highest number of negative influencers ever seen. Not only are millions unwilling to buy a Teslabut many of them actively bash Tesla and urge others not to buy one. All of that is now having a huge impact and it's all on Elon Musk.
There is no ev incentive for idiots to buy electric vehicles any longer…. It was the only reason they were selling like they were :-). Ps don’t piss him off, the robots are coming soon!
Yeah right.
Why wouldn’t it? Some people have morality.
Well it explains it for me. We have 2 Teslas. I would have liked to get new ones, but I'm not buying Tesla again, and it's not the car, it's Elon
It's Elon who made Tesla what it was & Elons mask drop will be it's demise. The guys a death ray away from being a bond villain, although with how the legal systems seem to work especially in the US maybe it's more an Austin powers sketch than 007.
Its because hes a douche. Case closed.
There's also a time rule he's trying to get waived. It has to be public for 6 months or longer. There's also the frozen stock holdings rule for executives he's trying to get waived at the same time.
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I’ll give Elon a hint, it’s you not them
I didn’t consider other EVs before he revealed as a complete jerk. After that, I only consider non-Tesla EVs and bought one. Though I still think Tesla’s software is probably the best, but it doesn’t matter that much given who he really is.
They are treating customers poorly once out of warranty. Even when there own notes state the issue was caused by them. They are lost as a company and drag their feet. I’ll be selling my Tesla once I’m done with this drama with them. Great cars - crap service.
The fuck it can’t. Guys a pedo lunatic. I would never buy a car associated with that.
>the Android Auto crap wasn't that great. Android Auto is good at what it does, and transfers seamlessly between many different brands of vehicles. But you have to understand that it's supposed to supplement whatever software features a car provides, not replace them.
i mean openly doing a nazi salute can put a pretty big black eye on your company for a very long time. i'd go so far as to say that even if they remove him from the company itself won't be enough. they would have to show him as no longer as large shareholder to even begin to recover from it.
They stopped innovating the physical product. The model 3 and model y refresh without price adjustments were not game changing. It was lipstick in a pig for many. What other car manufacturers did was figure out a cycle for physical upgrades. Tesla went full cheaper is better and the tech would be so far ahead that innovating the physical aspects of the car would not matter. They were wrong.
There’s no accounting for taste. After all, fascists wouldn’t get anywhere without their supporters.
They are a poorly constructed fad car. They sold on elons aura. Now that his aura is rotten, they cannot hold up to being so poorly built.
I find it so crazy that he (and management) stood back and said yes, this will be a massive success. And I guess no one had the balls to say, boss, we don't think the numbers will work in our favor. And then no one on the board ever had the courage to tell him to tone down the bullshit political rhetoric.
Yeah, I read that and was like why are you thankful. They would have made like 200x their investment. It’s not a good investment now, but it definitely was before it went public.
If they’re powered by grok, lewd but useless sexual acts will be the only thing they do well
they're gonna be sucking each other's dicks as racistly as possible
Yes it can. He’s a nazi saluting, pedophile fascist.
Yeah, they had 10 years to figure it out. To (a) bring build quality on par with traditional automakers and to (b) offer a premium interior. Now customers are losing interest.
I mean there’s only so many dumb people who know nothing about cars with the amount of money they are charging.
Sure - Tesla has not been entirely consumer friendly at many times. It’s not so hard to draw a line from owner/executive bad behavior to corporate bad behavior.
He alone is THE reason!
Musk is truly remarkable. The worlds richest man is so unlikeable, even the worlds most famous paedophile doesn’t want to socialise with him. Tesla stock down 8% since Musk’s cringeworthy begging emails to Epstein released 😂😂😂
I still cannot believe that they bring the models into a new gen. Starting a successful car company is one of the most technically demanding, difficult things to do. You have to get good at so many things just to even compete in the modern market and yet...nothing. They just decided not to update their model lines. How does one even come up with that? It's the final challenge...upgrade to the next generation...and yet, nothing. I seriously do not understand how they could just walk away from the ball like that.
but it can come very close to explaining. image, trust: classic error now business case that one person cannot be the brand. elon did that
id love one cause the m3p is a solid performance car for the price. but that mf has made the brand toxic. im not buying one from anyone while hes associated with it.
Sadly, I don’t put much in money. I only SAY “sadly” because I would be a rich MF IF I chased money🤣
Yes, it can. He single-handedly destroyed the brand.
And that pesky little Nazi thing.
Tesla does not have enough models. Tesla is global company but it is led like an american company. For example Musk an many other Tesla leaders talked potentian Model 2 like it was only a price thing to sell that, proving that they do not understand anything about cars and different segments for differend usecases. And now they are so far behind other manufacturers that they have no change.
Elon is betting the Tesla stock value on achieving real FSD not the fake killer FSD he has now. He thinks Robotaxi will save his bacon. I call it a one in ten at best.
Which year?
EV buyers are almost all liberals. The trumpists hate them. It feels like admitting that anthropogenic climate change is true. He’s going into a third year of sales declines. Product line is old. Competition has caught up. Tesla car insurance is very high. Repairs take forever. Lucid has faster cars than Plaid. Cybertruck missed its sales goal by 90%. Semi is nowhere. Tesla lies about range. Tesla lies to stockholders about actual profits. Big Beautiful Bill took away the environmental credits. Sales decline is in Asia, Europe, and N America.
Well of course. The cars being shit with shit customer service contribute too.
This sort of shit - I had working auto wipers 25-30 years ago. I don’t care why teslas don’t work. It isn’t my problem. As a functional car - they don’t work. This is basic functionality we had that worked in the 1990s for fucks sake. And Tesla fanboys think this is a technological tour de force luxury car? Please….
To be fair Tesla model s (only model at the time) was more than 2-3x the cost of the original leaf
Oh yes, that was the period when your choice was a very expensive capable Tesla or a reasonably priced limited leaf. To me, the real breakthrough was the nearly simultaneous introduction of the Chevy Bolt and the model 3, both very capable cars at a reasonable price.
They can do this now (with humans dressed as robots) if this is your cup of tea. I am sure MElon can arrange this on some fantasy island.
I actually prefer for them to use remote humans. It's a power thing.
Yeah the leaf was probably fine for Japanese cities where it originated
I will never support that Nazi and i am sure there are many other Americans who are firmly never Tesla.
Yes, yes it can.
Firing a few hundred Federal employees doesn’t help your business either. Those folks all have friends and family too.
They are expensive, inconsistent, with less polish than a fucking Honda Civic. Can't believe Tesla ever had any extended success after the initial novelty and subsidies.
Oh, and don't forget about the Nazi thing.
It could be because almost every other OEM offers now comparable or better products than Tesla. And maybe a lot of people hate fascists. Maybe.
Once Tesla was the only choice, now it’s one of a hundred
Alternative title: "Advertiser space provider that said that Advertisers should just not advertise with him can't explain why Advertisers won't buy his spaces." Alternative title: "Nazi can't explain why Jews don't want anything to do with him."
It did not help that he alienated his cute customer base with his right arm on a worldwide scale.
A few hundred does not even come close. Not to count the tens of thousands of children now dying because of him.
Thanks, I actually intended to post a few hundred thousand. My Father was career DOD. I won’t forget what he did.
Well if that didn't fly with my grandfather at Nuremburg ....
pay-walling features and inconsistent build quality were pain points that were excused to own a product that was a market niche, status symbol, and a progressive lifestyle brand. Now the brand appeal is toast, the products face a diverse range of competitors, and the product has only been diminished by locking features behind pay walls, and stupid product priorites, like the cyber truck
The bolt is a goat. My 2017s bluebook value is 5k, but it gets me to Tahoe every winter and i havent seen any long-term drop in range. Its my little space shuttle! Because of the battery recall, theres a bunch of older bolts with new batteries and it did a lot of disperportionate brand damage meaninging that they provide a really attractive floor for an ev purchase on the 2nd hand market
They have always been half baked shitboxes?
I own a Y and lease a 3; when the 3 lease is up, we're going to get a non-Tesla EV pickup because Tesla doesn't offer a "normal" pickup.
My heart goes out to him. No clue why at all either
They’re down to two models now, both of which are boring AF. Cybertruck is separate, and will be discontinued in a few years.
They drive like shit. The new model 3 ONLY does one pedal driving and it’s like driving a milk float. And god forbid you are driven in one by someone with less than perfect throttle control because it’ll make you feel sick. They just aren’t good cars, and there are better EV options out there.
Same. Don't want to sell mine because I probably wouldn't get much for it even though it's barely going to be 4 years old. My next car will be a Rivian for sure.
They didn't build it, but rather, exploited it's potential way before the main street brick and mortar entities caught on to the monetization.
Counter-point: yes it can.
Maybe because we don’t like you and anyone driving a Tesla gives the same vibes
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They can be sued for breaching fiduciary duty if this thing ever actually does collapse
The look has also aged. Does it look good yes, has it had basically the same design for 10+ years also yes.
I think part of it is Elon himself, but there seems to be more momentum around hybrids in the US versus full electric. Our next car will be a hybrid, and really have no interest in a full EV. There also still seems to be interest in ICE cars too, so between the two, and losing the tax credit, it seems like hybrids are a good bet for the future. Just watched a 2026 car show and it seemed that most manufacturers were swapping out full EV options for hybrid models, along with still introducing new ICE options.
now that incorporation moved to texas that's almost impossible in practice.
It’s a huge amount of that, but also that the cars aren’t that good any more, and everyone else is catching up. And so many features that were “almost ready” still aren’t ready so nobody has faith in those bullshit statements any more. No to mention that no one wants to die a fire because their door handles stop working
And Ford killed the Lightning. So there's that...
Full Self Sucking by then, no doubt.
It is only a matter of time before Tesla, xai and spacex merge under the ticker X.
Shitty cars are going to shit at some point. We’re not quite there yet, but soon.
I think new EV sales in general are stalling because people see the massive depreciation hit, which is something they can’t afford especially in this economy.
Yes is does fully explain. Tesla still is a good car, but thats not the only reason for buying. If my brand would treat me like Elon and friends treat Europe, I wouldn’t buy that car to.
I think a lot of car buyers know very little about him, particularly his more recent “antics”. I think a lot of their problems stem from being the first to market (first to make a long range/fast/luxury/desirable EV). Now everyone makes EV, there’s cheaper ones, better looking ones, better designed (ergonomics) etc. People would get on board with some of the quirks when they were the only show in town and genuinely moved the industry forwards. They got complacent and stopped innovating.
Yes it can. They literally took a vote they want to give him infinite money to destroy their brand (that somehow includes no longer making cars).
Considering Musk has made it clear he is going to abandon the market, buying a Tesla now means parts and repairs may not be available even five years from now as just stopping all support when abandon a product is common silicon valley thinking.
>seem happy to copy the Tesla interior aesthetic though. Reddit loves switches and buttons but virtually no one else does. Buttons for stuff like the AC are going to be mandatory to achieve the highest Safety rating in the EU. Many manufacturers are actually going back to tactile buttons because consumers didn't like it.
You have to have your head in the sand to not know Elon Musk is awful.
Is there anything really that special about Teslas anymore? 8 years ago sure maybe, but if you want a car powered by a battery aren't there better options now in terms of luxury, performance, reliability, etc?
Let’s count the ways: 1. Cyber Truck is ugly af. 2. Nazi salute 3. DOGE-laying off thousands of people but the way he laid them off. He treated human suffering as a game. 4. He comes off as a self centered and selfish. He claims he a cure world hunger so go do it. He has plenty of money and is smart. He also boasted he could do it. So do it, or at least try. 5. On a similar note, I heard he has $9 billion in a 501c3. Maybe work on making the world a better place. Plenty of charities out there. 6. His robot- I don’t have Alexa or any of that. But if I were to go that route where a system is going to know my routine and probably record me, the last person of all these tech oligarchs I would trust with my info is Elon. I own a Tesla but it’s too old to have FSD. I think the cars are amazing and would love to have FSD, but I doubt my next EV will be a Tesla. I can live driving myself around.
This is the crux of it. Elon going mask off just gave people another reason to seek other options.
Yes he can
So here’s the crazy thing - let’s imagine 1,000 of us end up commenting about this corruption, and we have an estimate of *’hundreds of millions’* as a potential bribe - how many out of that 1,000 would do the same thing? What if it was anonymous? My point is simply to express dismay that we will never break out of this corruption cycle, and as we are seeing, our facile corruptibility inevitably tips the scales in their favor.
Texas incorporation change makes is extremely hard to sue directors
That or cage fighting. Sex, violence, and gambling.
The market got competitive.
Same, wanted to buy another Tesla but fuck me.
There is more competition now, more choice. I just went ahead with a non-tesla EV. Here's what made me drop Tesla as a candidate: \- the company's lack of focus. What is it today, cars, robots, AI, politics??? \- going all-in with touch controls (seriously, WTF!) \- the price tag
Just from my bubble. Elon is a big part. More options that are frankly better for the average commuter or family. Resale of teslas suck. Gas cars are still better for a lot of use cases. Nobody I know is asking to own a robo taxi. What they asked for, a cheaper electric car, is what China developed but sadly Americans can’t get those, but other countries can and in those countries why would you buy a Tesla?
Cybertruck sucks, FSD isn't that big a draw until it's actually been proven, they refuse to make new vehicles to expand their portfolio, and the competition in the EV space is catching up while Tesla screws around with robots and taxis instead of cars. Sprinkle a little nazi on top and you got yourself a meme stock.
I mean, they e been getting shit reviews compared to the competition. They’re just not that great comparatively.
Why not?
Call me crazy but maybe it's because their product line stagnated outside of the cyber truck which no one wanted. Almost every car company now has a capable EV and the ability to charge on Teslas network. Also Elon.
Yes it can.
I am extremely surprised he didnt manage to get some crazy deal to supply the US military with Cybertrucks, or at least some governmental agency.
From what I’ve see with EV owners where I live who don’t keep track of US news - Tesla cars just aren’t a compelling buy anymore. They’re more expensive compared to Chinese EVs and offer way less in terms of options. The Chinese plug ins with a petrol range extender seem super popular.
I can: A lot of people don't want to support a guy who does multiple nazi salutes after using his wealth to undermine the democratic process, and there are now more options than ever from both established and new-entrant EV manufacturers.
The fuck he can’t.
Just look at the lineup ... No new model for years ....all that's left is promises (FSD ). Tesla is going to be the next big marketing bubble that's about to explode.
Enron was at the top once.
For nearly a decade, Tesla had virtually no competition. Even before all of the drama, market share started slipping when other brands started becoming popular. Many people expected this to happen no matter what - did people really think Tesla was going to become as big as Toyota or something?
Don't forget Blackberry/RIM. I've been making that comparison to Tesla for a long time.
They haven’t released any impressive innovation for a long time, cyber truck had a chance and it sucked. They might be able to redeem themselves with the roadster (if it ever comes out) then if you pair it with the doge stuff you are in a pretty nasty position
Being richest is rewarded with fame and power until the human reveals cracks and eventually implodes. Uneducated fanbros who once just wanted to attain a cool electric car, now tiptoe the line when Elon reveals he's only part genius and mostly an uncontrollable spaz. Educated conservative mouthpieces who envisioned a world of driverless Robotaxis and path to colonizing Mars, now have whiplash being rerouted. Even Rogan who would suck Elon's d*ck for views gets speechless with Cybertruck failings, nonexistent roadsters, and now a pivot to a flying car. The richest man has cracks and the flaws are unsettling.
The worst of the worst have doubts that Elon Musk will come through for them: Even if you're a Trump supporter, you witnessed Elon turn on Trump by telling everyone exactly where to find the darkest secrets. 🙀 Even if you're a white nationalist, you saw Elon unveil the not-so hidden agenda with a Nazi salute broadcast to the world. 😳 Even if you're a wealthy pedophile, you saw Elon write Epstein about the wildest parties oblivious to the use code words. 🤮
I’m not sure but I think this would void their warranty
He literally said “we dig our own grave with the Cybertruck” in an earnings call
You should still feel bad about that
and his brother is ultra implicated in the Epstein stuff, so much so that Burning Man fired him from their board
He learned his lesson when PayPal fired him
This seems to be a universal experience
Lots of people see the downsides of EV. Hype around self driving popped. No meaningful change or update since release. Everyone who would want one has one. A little competition. Expensive and no more rebate. Still the best EV but it’s not displacing others.
If you don’t develop new vehicles (or only bad ones like the Cybertruck), customers will leave. It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out but it takes more than a con man.
You can explain another part of it by their latest model being total dogshit (the Cybertruck) - too expensive, and without appeal a genuinely useful truck. Just totally missed the mark on what an electric truck can / should be. Then you have the Model S and X getting canceled. Rather than update those ancient platforms to better compete with Lucid and Rivian, as well as legacy auto options - just cede the entire high-end market to them. And then all the hubub about FSD, shifting to Robotaxi, and major safety concerns like the doorhandles. Why would you buy a car from a company that is doing everything they can to signal they don't want to be a car company anymore? And that's not even mentioning China slowly eroding their dominance of the EV market all over the globe by offering superior / more affordable products.
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