How likely is Tesla to go bust and what would happen to my Tesla?

Unlikely.. why would it go bankrupt with stock being ATH?

Won’t ever go bust, but it’ll for sure shrink more than now

You forgot to add /s

Ask Blackberry fans.

Man weird stuff with your windshield. I changed my last summer on a M3LR 2022 dual motor. Eastern Europe, 655 eur for the screen, 20 eur the glue and 30 eur for the job. Random windshield service company, no issues since then. I doubt they have special tesla stuff or knowledge. I strongly believe the company will outlast Elon. The only issue here is the stock valuation. If Elon is out of the picture, the company will continue to be a decent electric car company that will put out a couple bilions a year in profit with a mid tier product. Last year they did 12.3 billion. If the car troubles me at night, next day i'll sell it.

Tesla has bet the bank that FSD and autonomous cars will be the next evolution of transport. If that fails then Tesla fails.

Elon for some reason has unlimited access to money, and that situation seems to be quite stable. That makes it very unlikely that any of his businesses will go bankrupt in the near term. I believe that at some point in the future that will change, but I don't think anyone can predict when that will happen. Also it seems likely that Elon or someone else will be able to run Tesla in a profitable manner if or when that becomes necessary. The S, X, 3 and Y have been manufactured in high enough numbers to ensure that there is a clear business case for someone to make money on providing support for the vehicles. If Tesla goes bankrupt then surely someone will acquire the relevant rights and secrets from Tesla and provide continued support. Cybertruck owners could possibly be fucked. You will lose all warranty rights if Tesla goes bankrupt, but I think it is very unlikely that Tesla will go bankrupt while you still have warranty left.

Tesla's turnover is tiny compared to its valuation and the valuation is more than the rest of the global car industry. It doesn't matter if their cars sell or even if they make cars anymore. All the value is in robotaxis or humanoid robots or whatever the investors believe in this quarter.

If it goes bust then any service that requires online connection to work will potentially stop (because the servers etc won't be working). How much this affects the functionality of the car is entirely dependent on how connected Teslas are.

At some point it's likely the car side of the business will end up being acquired by someone else. I'm sure the cars will keep working, but things like FSD might end up disabled.

It's impossible to tell as it wholly depends on if Musk remains interested in it. It's not economically viable but his face at the helm brings in dollars. Without him Tesla would collapse pretty quickly under the weight of its own ridiculous expectation. He can, for some reason, keep that bubbling without delivering but nobody else there could. A lot of what people think makes Tesla somehow reasonable is often not even within Tesla but rather his other companies. I've seen people say "don't mock Tesla just look at how useful Starlink is" ... So if he fully moved focus away from it then boom. Regardless though; your Tesla would be fine. Owners even kept their Fisker Oceans going and there was nothing like the infrastructure in place around those.

Daddy Elon has unlimited access to capital and people that believe in him. Just look at xAi. Billions of fresh capital for minimal revenue.

Not likely at all. The fans will continue throwing money at it, so even in periods of deep unprofitability they have no problem raising cash, even if it means further dilution The long game is shareholder dilution into oblivion, Tesla becoming an even more niche auto manufacturer, and very little or no revenue from Cybercabs or robots, but no chance of BK.

Well with Saab other companies continued to produce the parts to maintain the cars on the road. I imagine that would happen.

Manufacturing cars is not material to Tesla's stock price, and Musk wealth comes from Tesla's stock mostly. It's a meme stock. But right now crime is legal in the USA, so whatever book cooking is going on at Tesla, like filling parking lots, is likely to get past what little is left of law enforcement, at least for now. If crime becomes illegal again, and the market becomes rational due to a correction, Tesla would see an extreme correction as it's at least 10X overvalued. And Musk seems to me like he would release a malicious OTA update to brick every Tesla on the road if Tesla were to go down in bankruptcy.

Enron investors

That's just a narrative. Even if self driving is a thing, it doesn't sell nearly enough to compensate for manufacturing expensive cars. And Tesla is wasting money on humanoid robot demos and AI hardware that is immaterial to the businness of selling cars.

I’d say moderate risk. It is starting to feel a bit like theranos. I wouldn’t buy another Tesla for the reasons you outlined

OP - lots to unpack - car companies do go bust & get bought out - frequently this separates new owners from previous liabilities - the odds of Tesla vanishing as a manufacturer is small - the odds of Tesla owners being shafted & left with problematic vehicles is sadly high - look at the recent Citroen c3 airbag issues, where ultimately Citroen are bearing the cost of the replacements, but none of the inconvenience costs to customers who can’t drive a car for months

Interesting that you had it replaced and they didn’t have to do the remote service thing. Mine were adamant they had to call off to tesla for stuff.

I would be worried if I had a large portion of my wealth tied up in Tesla stocks because I believe the current valuation is not sustainable. As an owner of a 6 year old Model 3 however, I’m not at all concerned. Let’s say the company went bust in 4 years, I would have gotten 10 years of use, and the battery warranty would have expired anyway at year 8 or in two years. The cost of replacing the battery already exceeds its market value today. This means I will just keep driving it until it dies and replace it with a new car when the end comes. As for other parts, items like windscreens are already available from third parties. Same with wear items like the 12 volt battery, wipers, brake disks/pads, shock absorbers, tires, etc. I’m sure Chinese vendors are already cranking out replacement body panels and hardware. I think you’re worrying about nothing.

Neither of which exist as viable products.

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Tesla hasnt produced anything of value in the recent years, except for some mediocre facelifts. Model 3 was 2017, Model Y 2019. All we get are empty promises. They definitely lost their Tech lead at the start of this year with the CLA, iX3 and Volvo EX40. And those three companies will built lots more models on those platforms. So I fully expect Tesla sales to decline further and maybe we reach comical levels of 1000:1 P/E (due to lower earnings, not higher TSLA price) before it all collapses.

You got a tesla knowing this man called someone a pedophile trying to save kids..... Elon was never not "weird" you just choose to ignore his fucking disgusting behavior.

Tesla is grotesquely overvalued but their cash reserves are pretty high and their cashflow situation isn't yet dire. And even if they did start burning through it they probably have a lot of runway to raise funds through stocks off of the heavily captured investors if they absolutely must. So I doubt they go bankrupt in the next few years unless Elon does something truly exceptionally batshit on a scale we have yet to see even from him. And if they do another company would probably buy their assets and support their existing product lines for a while. No I'd be much more worried about a solvent Tesla abandoning proper support for their legacy cars because they're "not a car company" and became too singularly obsessed with robotaxis and humanoid robots.

Tesla has too many patents and cars on the road to just “go bust.” If the company fails, there will be somebody ready to take over. I could be wrong. But there just seems to be too many worldwide to just let the brand die. Investors aren’t getting their money back, but drivers will most likely still have service options.

Extremely unlikely. I think jeep can go bankrupt before even Tesla suffers

EX60, not 40, right...? Yes, but attention, these are more expensive, Tesla cars are cheap by comparison.

Stop by a few used car dealers, they have double-digit numbers of teslas (one small lot had 25-ish cars, was nearly the entire left side of the lot) Size of lot didn’t matter small mom-pops to larger branded used car dealers, lots and lots of teslas.

I think most people in stock reddit think it is way overvalued but I don't think many people think it'll go bankrupt.

I will speculate on the "what happens to my car" section of the question: there are enough cars on the road to justify 3rd party/after market support for a monthly fee (software) and/or hardware component replacements. The cost will be the wild card: do these companies offer restomod components (expensive) or replicas (cheaper **if** you have access to the original suppliers or can find cheap suppliers)

Tesla’s were cheap because they could sell the carbon credits to offset the loss and consumers got a federal tax credit. With those gone the advantage in selling a ton of mass produced semi cheap cars is over.

Lol a sentiment shared by many people right before disaster

The road worthiness tests in Europe are starting to show that various parts of the cars are not very durable. In the US this won't show until they fail. This will impact resale values and feed in to lease rates for new cars.

I think it will collapse for real when the bubble bursts. Tesla doesn’t have much of anything real to contribute these days.

They’ll be cheap as chips soon. Teslas are so poorly built and corrosion protected though, that in a decade you’ll hardly see any of them. They won’t be worth a battery replacement, even if anybody will be offering such.

Lot of good responses here to OP's question, but I like "crime is legal". It basically is at this point, no snark, nothing, it just is. If you have money, have a disreputable image, are white (or sometimes brown AND ... servile) , duke the necessary people, you can't fail.

That only helps for control arms and bushings.  It's not going to help for anything that requires reprogramming, so no new screens, or any computer modules.

I tried a few glass places. They all refused my Tesla simply because they couldn't get replacement parts from Tesla.

Impossible to say how likely it is, because nobody knows just how much book-cooking is happening. If you remove Elon and all his nonsensical boondoggles (FSD, Optimus, Cybertruck, Robotaxi); I reckon the car business itself could likely work profitably. Certainly after a healthy model refresh.

Hum Theranos had absolutely nothing real in terms of product and and tech. At least Tesla sold a bunch of cars for many years. They have cash and die hard fans who are going to throw more money no matter what. Very unlikely Tesla will go bust imo

\> Got a M3LR in 2023. Elon was weird, but not yet a right-wing extremist. I'm not even sure he is. I figure he's just another narcissist crying for attention and that is his way of getting it. Still that was when his insanity became generally known. Those paying attention knew long ago he is just a big fraud. \> Tesla were still pretty good Their reputation for quality has been poor and they have the highest fatality rates of any car. \> Fast forward to today and it feels like it’s a slowly sinking ship, with Elon at the helm, cock in hand, having a great time not caring what happens to the rest of the crew. It is a sinking ship. Tesla is not a car company, or even a product company. Tesla is a charade that pumps out a few widgets here and there to keep the illusion alive that pumps up the price of TSLA, the ponzi stock. Ponzi schemes are not sustainable and eventually this bubble will burst, probably soon. \> How likely is it you think Tesla will go bankrupt over the next few years? It won't be tomorrow but I seriously doubt they'll be around long enough for Felon to collect his fat bonus, though the numbers weren't reasonable anyway. It's likely they'll hang on til maybe 2030 but not as a major EV company. \> How likely is it you think Tesla will be sold to another manufacturer in the next few years? Zero. They have nothing to offer. The name is tainted. Their technology is behind its competition. Their quality is horrible. Even buying it for marketshare is pointless with sales dropping fast. \> For each, what do you think the most likely outcome is for Tesla owners? Resale values are already falling fast, especially for things like the CyberToaster. There will also probably be a flood of lawsuits due to "Full Self Driving" being a fraud, and the fatalities resulting from it, along with more suits because of the fatalities from doorlatches trapping people and burning them alive. Ultimately when they fail, parts will be increasingly harder to get.

The vaporware isn't even in play anymore. It's just a bubble with The Greater Fool Theory playing out.

Fair, but the car sales cannot sustain the company valuation, especially since they are actually in decline. No company has ever survived indefinitely on hype. Sooner or later reality has to kick in. As a pure car play the stock is hugely overpriced.

You are too generous. A more realistic value is \~$15, and will sales falling and poor prospects for the future, $3-5 is more appropriate. If crime becomes illegal again, Felon Musk and his accomplices on the board will be RICO'd into one very long prison term.

It's very true. It's not only Felon Musk and Tesla but there is so much fraud, deception and racketeering going on in modern business that nothing can be trusted.

Hahahahahaha you own a Tesla

Correct. They really have very little in hard assets. The brand is poisoned by its CEO, and competitors all have better offerings.

It’s a cult at this point and there will be followers until the very end. I mean people are fine with all the crap all the way to Nazi salute and such. It’s all very thick (pun intended).

Yes, they have sold a bunch of cars. But unfortunately, evaluation is based on everything that they have promised and not delivered.

They have a lot of cash, but they also burn a lot of cash. Especially with no credits it won’t last long if they have to use their cash reserves.

No, he’s wearing a flag that’s almost 100 years old now

I think the bursting of the TLSA and the "AI" bubbles will coincide. We are due to see something like the "dot bomb" of 2000.

Completely zero. What's ridiculous about Tesla at this point is the valuation. But given their sales and profitability they are worth billions of dollars. If the hype around AI and robots goes away they will spin off the cars and it will be bought or independent as a profitable car company. Also you're completely kidding yourself. By 2023 Elon had made abundantly clear who he was, a cult of personality con man. Can't fault you for getting trapped in the hype though. It happened to a lot of us.

Theranos, Worldcom...

The problem is with all the “tech” that people love, everything has to be done with encrypted computer systems to authorize replacement parts other than body and suspension

Theranos investors

Is there any revenue?

Oh no, he absolutely is a white supremacist. He was rich in a apartheid South Africa, openly supports far right parties with a lot of money. Complains about “white genocide” that only exists in the racist mind.

Won’t go bust, but Tesla’s valuation is all robotaxi and robotics. Waymo is winning convincingly on robotaxis and Elon said humanoids coming at the end of 2027, which will probably be 2028/29/30. Not a good sign to me but who knows

Companies get bought out because they still have something to offer to the company making the purchase, things like manufacturing infrastructure, patents, or sometimes just marketshare. Tesla's technology is behind competitors and the customer base is fleeing in droves. This leaves only the manufacturing as an asset, but one doesn't necessarily have to buy the company to buy those assets.

No matter what the assets will continue to exist and they'll be acquired by someone if not remain with Tesla. Our vehicles will always be just as good as the are now if not better but the company itself might finally ditch that psychopath

Scrap yards will be full of Teslas very soon.

This would suck. Hopefully it’ll last a few more years. If I can keep it until 2033 I’ll be happy. 10 years’ use.

Yes and they will keep promising and people will keep throwing money like they have been. Watch the SpaceX IPO :)

I bought my 2023 M3 for $12k used from a Chevy dealer. At least partially, it’s because Hertz liquidated their fleet and sent them all to auction.

Tesla is crap & always has been. People bought Into the "hype", the "image". Elon doesn't give a shit about Tesla as a company, it's just a cash cow for him. Take a step back & see what is going on with the company as a whole. Very poor quality for a mass produced vehicle, FSD is still years behind anybody else out there, very poor service, parts availability is horrendous, the buying "experience" is even worse. It is a "bare bones" operation designed to remove every dollar from you that it can, with very little in return. Try calling with a question, a problem, leave a message!!!!

Saab was in the same boat, and we dumped them fast. Parts were only available readily for about a year before importers stopped bringing things in, and it dropped to typical maintenance parts. We had a customer that needed a key, it would randomly not read it and strand them, and no one had the program to make one from scratch, only copy it.

100%. a similar challenge applies to gasoline cars where the OEM uses encryption to lock down ECUs and the aftermarket tuners have to spend months or years to crack the encryption and remap the ECUs.

He has moved onto Robots. He doesn’t care about his car company. Maybe Trump will buy it and run it into bankruptcy.

I live in Norway. Tesla has far exceeded my expectations of life expectancy. They are too big to fail at this point- propped up by speculative institutional investors

Exactly buy the items of value, dump the problematic things like liabilities & warranties when & where you can legally! which means the name & badge may continue to exist but the old customer gets left high and dry if their vehicle has issues

El\*n will unalive himsef before then; but his absence will save the company

My opinion: If TSLA implodes, some other car company will pick the carcass clean and buy stuff up. Likely the "car" part of Tesla will still get support...but back to that windshield you had replaced. One reason it required Tesla service is the FSD camera in the front - I wouldn't count on any of the electronic stuff, from FSD to fart apps, to survive a re-organization.

I don't see anything happening to Tesla anytime soon. They have their FSD story that people will continue to buy into even as other manufacturers improve their own systems.

yeah I gotta think the $40K OTD I got for my AWD Model Y two years ago was the deal of all time LOL AFAICT Elon basically gave me the carbon/CAFE credits ($6000), plus I got $10,500 in gov't $ that is also not available today.

If you look at the stock history it almost always dips hard in the spring after Q1 results come out. I think this year will see it drop pretty hard after Q1 results see a continued decline in sales. There's nothing to cause the stock to increase except rumours of a robot and robotaxi, neither of which will be here in 2026.

A handful of Musk-Aid drinkers will not sustain an enterprise this large, especially with a valuation that is about 30x any realistic level.

At one time vaporware was driving the stock, but it's beyond that now. It's playing out the Greater Fool Theory. People are buying expecting others will keep buying. It's a bubble and no bubble lasts forever.

\> It is a "bare bones" operation designed to ... create the illusion that the company actually makes something to cover up its real purpose which is to keep pumping the ponzi stock.

The car side of the business isn't that interesting, though. It might make sense for BYD or GreatWallMotors to buy it and get instant in-roads into the US, though. To me, the interesting play is Superchargers and the biometric data being collected by the cars on their owners. That's big money datasets for pharma and insurance companies.

This week's earnings will be very interesting and may provide more insight for this question,

Yeah cost is the wild card. Will the 3rd party parts be affordable enough to keep a car on the road vs. scrapping iti? Resale values are already falling fast.

\^ One of the main reasons I keep my old car. Too much in newer cars is proprietary and designed to create obsolescence.

He doesn't care about robots either. He's like every other narc. He cares only about his own ego, and the money is nothing to him but narcissistic supply.

I doubt it. His sense of self-importance won't let him. "The world needs him."

I agree, if you compare Tesla and Toyota financials it is really eye opening how insanely over inflated Tesla is at 1.49 Trillion market cap vs Toyota at 290 Billion, yet Tesla has profit of 9.7 billion and Toyota has net profit of 35 billion. It has to be one of the only stocks in history that when the company reports decreases in revenue the stock actually goes up. I know the Tesla cult point to AI and robots but Tesla hasn’t shown anything to prove that they are a leader in either one. I really wonder when reality will catch up to Tesla and Musk or will they continue to meme it forever.

The day the stock goes below $200/share will be a good day. For the record- I have a HOUSE because of Tesla, and I want to see the company do well; but El\*n impedes company growth.

Vision based self driving will never fully work.

Saab global production peak was \~135k in 2006. That was spread across \~4 models including the 9-2x Saabaru and the 9-7x Trollblazer. Tesla basically makes 2 primarily models with almost 1.5M of them made in the last year. Parts are pretty straightforward and you can keep them running for many years just off salvage parts for years to come even if Tesla shut down tomorrow.

The amount of growth to justify the current valuation would be more than anything realistic. Congrats on playing the game and coming out ahead, but I certainly hope you have enough sense to get out soon because the crash is imminent.

If Tesla goes bankrupts Elon does not get paid, so that will never happen. World's biggest con-man with political ties will make sure of that.

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So was Enron…

I sold out in 2024; I bought in in 2011. I played the game and won; but I still love the company I helped create

What the what? Are you saying the charging stations collect data from the cars while they charge? \*not a Tesla fan, or owner\*

A five trillion dollar co aint going away

As a car company (the rest is vaporware), \*maybe\* $15-20. As a car company with plummeting sales, a tainted brand, and increasing competition, $3-5 is reasonable.

If it starts to sink Spacex will get it in typical Elon fashion much like that Solar co his relatives run into trouble with

I see you understand my humor and irony

You need to check the T&Cs. Or follow the ongoing lawsuits: * **Illinois BIPA Class Action Lawsuit (2022):** A lawsuit was filed against Tesla alleging that its in-cabin camera system violates the Illinois Biometric Information Privacy Act (BIPA). The complaint alleges that Tesla collects, stores, and uses facial data (biometric identifiers) from drivers without obtaining proper written consent. * **Settlement in Illinois Case (2024):** In early 2024, it was reported that Tesla reached a settlement in the Illinois lawsuit regarding the in-vehicle cameras. While the lawsuit alleged illegal collection of face scans, Tesla maintained that its cameras and software did not perform identity verification, but rather monitored attentiveness to send alerts. * **Privacy Concerns and Internal Data Access:** Reports have surfaced that Tesla employees could access and share sensitive, sometimes "embarrassing," video recordings taken by customer car cameras between 2019 and 2022. These recordings, which included scenes of customers' private property, were allegedly shared for "internal amusement" rather than solely for improving AI. * **Employee Biometric Data Collection:** Separate reports indicated that employees at xAI, Elon Musk's AI company, were required to provide their own biometric data—specifically facial and voice data—for AI training, raising further ethical questions.

Meanwhile I commuted to work in my Saab just this morning. :) Ironically the aftermarket for parts has gotten better over the last few years. I venture a guess my Saab will still be running when the last Tesla spontaneously combusts sometime in the mid 2040's.

There are still a few Studebakers and Desotos on the road, and those companies have been bankrupt for decades. When a company goes bankrupt it rarely vanishes. If there’s any value in the parts, another company will buy the remains and figure out a way to make money from it, including servicing existing customers.

I feel the car businness is salvagable. There would beed to basically rebuild the company culture, and refocus on making good cars at a fair price, but a competent boring CEO and government subsidies could get it done.

I'm sure it's salvageable, but why bother? Old tooling to build cars that have been on the market for a decade+ (in some cases, nearly 2 decades) without any major updates seems like a bad investment. Anyone trying to salvage the business would need to start with new models, and at that point it would be easier to bring in real professionals instead of guys who want to move fast and break things.

This is horrifying but not surprising given Musk's reputation. They can't be the only manufacturer to do this though.

It's all so possible Tesla gets spun off out of musk's hands in some kind of a corporate restructuring or structured bankruptcy. The car company is actually in *fairly* decent shape (stock insanity aside). And if it had competent leadership, I still think it can be a leader in EVs and become one of the big three automakers for the US (replacing Chrysler). I have very low hope of this. Elon won't let go and everything he does is pretty toxic to the company.

There were way less Saab vehicles on the road in 2013 when Saab went bankrupt than there are Tesla vehicles on the road now. Also I don't agree that the situation was very bad for Saab owners after they went bankrupt. There were quite a few Saabs on the road here in Norway, and to my knowledge they remained or remain in use for more or less the typical economical lifetime of a car.

Your Saab will likely keep running for as long as you care to maintain and repair it, but Tesla cars are not going to go extinct due to spontaneous combustion.

Elon was always a right wing extremist, and if you didn't know that you weren't paying attention. You also perhaps shouldn't have gotten a car that requires connected services to actually work. I certainly wouldn't. I wonder if you realize they can just turn off your car whenever they feel like it, and Elon has done that to people he's been annoyed with.

They're not. Nissan and Kia were tracking people's sexual partners and one of them, I think Kia but could be wrong, was pulling menstruation data from womens' Apple watches,

More: [https://www.jalopnik.com/auto-privacy-report-kia-nissan-driver-sex-data-1850812549/](https://www.jalopnik.com/auto-privacy-report-kia-nissan-driver-sex-data-1850812549/)

I meant that sentence figuratively, of course. By 2045, only a few thousand will go up in flames, and no more than a few hundred people with them. You know, regular car stuff.

Combustion cars are significantly more likely to catch fire than EVs, and that includes Tesla. I do however agree that dying from a car fire is more likely if the vehicle is a Tesla, because they do not have proper mechanical door handles that makes it easy to open the doors even when the car is malfunctioning and the occupants are panicking.

I think there's a lot of layers to your post. I do analyze companies as my job, so here's what I would say: 1. Tesla has a lot of cars on the road, and there's not that many different configurations, so I think even if Tesla went bankrupt completely and shut down operations and nobody bought them, I do believe there's enough cars out at this point to support a third party repair/parts business. FSD would probably still work because it's at the car level, there just wouldn't be updates anymore because it's highly likely that the development cost of FSD at this point exceeds the revenue they generate, even if everyone who uses it moved to a $100/month subscription. 2. That being said, I think it's very unlikely the business will go bankrupt anytime soon (next 5-10 years) because they have a pretty solid balance sheet, minimal debt, lots of cash, etc... Even if they lose a little bit of money every year, the reality is at a $1T+ valuation, they aren't going to lose enough money where they can't fundraise out of it, and again, they have to blow through their existing cash, etc.. 3. I think it's highly likely that they will eventually acquire xAI in an all/mostly stock deal, but this wouldn't really affect their financials as far as solvency risk. This would be horrible for Tesla shareholders, but wouldn't really affect you at all as a car owner. 4. If their stock price plummets, and I'm talking like 90%+ and they grow their losses to significant amounts, like $5B/yr+ or something, then there could be solvency risk there, but even then, they wouldn't bankrupt overnight, it would take at least a few years. I would say there is considerable risk of this happening in the next 5-10 years, but again, it'll take time for bankruptcy to play out. I think once the market realizes the Robotaxi is a fraud, and will never scale to 'millions of existing Teslas on the road', then the credibility of Musk will go from 'give him the benefit of the doubt' to 'doubt', and the stock price could absolutely be crushed if investors start placing $0 value on the Optimus pipe dream and Robotaxi failure. At that point, it would just be an undiversified EV maker that's losing share in every market they operate in with a energy storage business that is essentially in a commodity industry that isn't even generating much profit at all. 5. I think the car business definitely has value, and would be acquired. There would probably be a lot of value in their manufacturing tech, etc... Even if a big automaker only ends up using 10% of what they're doing, this would be worth it to acquire, especially on the software side. I don't think there is much risk of the auto business straight up shutting down. There's also value in their service center and stores, many of those are in states where new direct to consumer stores/service centers can't be opened, so there would likely be significant value in that too. 6. There would almost certainly be huge value in the charging network, and it looks like this is one of the few solidly profitable sides of the business. The manufacturing of the superchargers, etc... would also be valuable. I would see this running basically as they do now regardless of who owns it or capital structure. Now, 20 years from now, who knows about the support you'll get, but if you're asking just for your 2023 M3, then I think you're good for the realistic ownership period of the car. I would be very surprised if your car gets bricked in any way before 10 years, and probably not within 20 years, whether or not Tesla goes bankrupt. I hope this helps.

W. T. F. That is so horrifying and so invasive.

What you say is true, and yet my prediction stands. These shitty cars are only going to get older and more prone to fires. In 20 years the old ones will be burning left and right. I suppose there is a 3rd option. After the civil war every Tesla is crushed so we can wipe every trace of Musk from our country and stop his surveillance cars from doxxing us every day.

At this point, you'd think if your Tesla breaks down they would send an Optimus robot in one of their robotaxis straight to your car to repair it on the spot. But that obviously isn't close to happening because everything they've said about both of those products has been wildly exaggerated.

This sounds insane. Do you have any sources?

You're okay. At worst Tesla would be bought up by a real car company and service for your car would continue.

You see, thats the thing about the economy, it doesnt matter, its all just a scam.

FSD unsupervised is very close. Tesla is about to soar and put uber and Lyft out of business

RoboTaxi and Cybercab?

You can see why he was keen to sabotage the investigations into his various companies and dealings. He ought to be safely behind bars where he can be looked after.

>Elon was weird, but not yet a right-wing extremist He was absolutely already a publicly and massively right-wing freak by 2023. For anyone who's been paying even a tiny bit of attention, he's been a massive public turd since at least 2018, when he had a huge temper tantrum about his dogshit submarine idea being rejected by the team trying to save the Thai kids soccer team trapped in a cave. So, hopefully Tesla goes bankrupt tomorrow and causes your car to stop working.

It's not a secret. Can't post the link for some reason, [Here it is on Jalopnik.](https://www.jalopnik.com/auto-privacy-report-kia-nissan-driver-sex-data-1850812549/)

And that’s why I never get involved with anything that’s all proprietary software. Any company dos proprietary software because the can’t compete performance wise. So they make a pretty design and essentially copy-write it. Might as well just shoot yourself in the foot with anything like Alienware, Apple, Tesla from a consumer perspective. Business perspective corporate lives for that shit which is why people throw so much money at them (invest). Ironically if more people actually voted with their wallets then they’d fold so fast.

Hahaha. Tesla fsd accident rate is 11 times the average human.

So you don't think that the robotaxis and optimus are going to take off?

good cars at a fair price, exciting luxury cars (are they even trying with the X and S anymore?), and they really need an SUV. I'd like to see some new styling, too. It's weird for me that--as a non Tesla driver--I can't tell the Y, S, X, and 3 apart on the road. And the models aren't labeled on the car. I know they're Teslas, but that's it. Am I looking at a $40k car or a $120k car?

The quantity of them makes them seem like throw-away cars. Paying for amenities, poor quality, expensive repairs, additional costs and …fElon at the helm all seem bad for business, yet no hit to stock price… Also hate how many charging stations they’re making or taking over; the visual feels invasive.

Highly unlikely they'll go out of business any time soon. They are profitable. They have like 10x more cash than debt. They have been profitable for the last 5 years.

The stock being like 300x overpriced has nothing to do with the fact that the car business is profitable, they have little debt, and a lot of cash.

Good point!

Companies buy out for assets (so yeah, data or supercharger network), not really if it's interesting. That said, the big 3 US automakers seem to be scared to enter the EV arena with meaningful intention, so I doubt they would. GM clearly has invested the most, but even they just canceled the Bolt (for the second time) for no reason I suspect Tesla would get bought out by VW or BYD, worldwide companies that are going all in on electric vehicles and would want to have a bigger presence in the US But to answer OPs question: I don't think Tesla will go under unless their stock tanks and if that happens is when they'd get bought out.

I'd buy a Kia or Hyundai EV I've owned a lot of EVs, including a Tesla, but just looking at how the companies are investing, they all seem to fickle about new EVs going forward. I have a Lightning, it was just recently canceled as they move back towards gas. I have a Bolt and it was just canceled again so the plant that makes them can make a gas car. Elon has been hinting that cars aren't the future of Tesla. Meanwhile, Kia/ Hyundai are building new EV plants and doubling down on EVs. If I were to buy a new one today and I didn't need a truck, I'd probably get one from them.

They may pay for a recognized brand name (even if its toxic in many places). And whatever IP and real estate the company may own, even if they want to scrap everything else.

There's a small one and one with a big butt, that's all I know.

We call that a Ponzi scheme sometimes

They all look the same size to me. I do agree that one appears to have a taller butt. I think that might be the Y? And one of them had a refresh where the front is squared off and it looks pretty ugly, like they decided to put no design into it.

US economy maybe...

Little late here, but honestly, just sell the thing and get something from a more reputable company that isn't run on a whim. If you can afford the Tesla, you can afford several alternatives. You know who he is and what it represents at this point, stop advertising for them by driving it.

If Tesla achieves true FSD and Robotaxi, it's not going anywhere and none of your concerns will matter at that point. I've been an FSD owner for years and up until the beginning of January, I would've thought FSD was BS cuz I upgraded from a 2020 M3P HW3 to a 2026 AI4 M3 Premium AWD and felt the FSD was worse. With the latest update, I hardly have to do anything. I drive roughly 40-75 miles daily for work on freeways and local depending on the schedule and I honestly can't imagine keeping my sanity with any other car. I've only driven manual transmission my entire life, and Tesla was the first non-manual car I've ever considered due to the FSD. I don't think Elon's opinions on non-car related things will matter if he delivers a car that is fully autonomous. At that point, it'll just come down to refusing to buy a superior product that has no competition, or buy the product that will significantly improve your quality of life. In my humble opinion, with the drastic improvement in FSD that is in the latest update, there is almost no chance Tesla auto will be sold to another manufacturer and it's much more likely other automakers will have to license the FSD because no other company is even close to achieving this level of autonomous driving. I think you're fine.

I can FSD from my home to everywhere I regularly drive, and it gets there and parks in the parking lot. Automated gates used to be impossible. Parking lots used to be impossible. Traffic circles used to be iffy, now they aren’t. The biggest problem I have is it doesn’t know about business reserved or 15 minute parking in a lot. It has improved a lot.

I can't imagine trusting that inferior technology and AI only guidance but you do you.

That's fair, but Teslas are more like an iphone with wheels. So much of the functionaity is dependent on a single motherboard (i'm using the term loosely) and sensors and screen-based controls. If the motherboards were no longer available (or repairable due to the use of custom chips), the cars might not be maintainable over the long term.

Ask Suzuki owners how life went

Within a couple years, you're totally sol

Remember when Amazon was just a book store? No one thinks of it like that anymore. Tesla will be the same. It will be much, much more than just a car manufaturer. Looks like Elon is going to merge SpaceX and xAI with Tesla. Do your research 🙂

It may be in good shape, but it has no true advantage anymore. The supercharger network is getting opened up (and often already is) to the competition (and charging points are spreading faster than one would expect, also autonomies are increasing, making them less of a need). FSD is probably gonna get disabled or reclassified as a driving auxilium. And the competitors, both European and Chinese, are getting better and better

It still does have a huge advantage. They have a lot of unique technology, and make a lot of components in-house and have much better margins per vehicle than most manufacturers. They also just (finally) perfected its 4680 battery’s dry cathode process, meaning it will save even more money making batteries in-house. It’s riding a wave of innovations from the days when it actually cared about cars, and it still benefits from those early investments that would make it worthwhile acquisition for any interested car company.

Touché, but the battery advantage is greatly reduced by the Chinese’s progress in the battery field. And all those advantages are lesser by the day

I think the Q1 report coming up in April is going to show 20% sales decline worldwide and I'm expecting the stock price to fall 50% by the end of the year. 2027 is going to be devastating for Tesla because the Rivian R2 and Toyota electric Highlander will take their sales. I don't see Tesla surviving much longer. The robotaxi business is nonexistent and the pivot from cars to humanoid robots is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. Tesla is a mega cap company with a 350 PE ratio and two straight years of declining sales now. There has never in history been a mega cap company with a PE ratio of over 300. The standard PE ration for an auto company is about 8-12. It is basically the biggest bubble in stock market history and bubble always pop. Always. The narrative is going to shift very hard and very fast. TSLA would be overvalued even if it's stock price declined by 90%.

Another reason Tesla will go bust is battery technology. Korea and China is way ahead. If their car sales are way ahead thry won't sell new technology to Tesla and then that would be real trouble. I think that is why until battery technology in thr US catches up the American companies aren't going full in to EV.

It will not go bust, but it is in decline The best investment for 2026 will be puts on Tesla which has a pe of almost 300, no car innovation, with China ahead on robotics, and self driving cabs that will never be profitable. Drivers are not where uber/lyft money goes.

They will merge with spaceX and manufacture lunar cars !!

https://youtube.com/shorts/R-5K2TLCBg8?feature=share

Why are you so angry?.

I don’t like liars

The idiots holding Tesla stock with a pe of 360 not only harm themselves with an asset at least 20 x overpriced. They also make a crazed right wing neo nazi very powerful. Even a pe of 16 would be too high for a company in rapid decline.