What are some used EVs with proven long term track records that aren't Teslas

Why do people think they need 300+ miles of range? Only people that have never had an EV think that.

Look I think the Kia thing is overblown. Love my EV9. Just don't buy first or second gen of any OEM model. EVs are generally less maintenance and more reliable

For occasional road trips or if you can't charge at home. If Im spending 20-30k+ on a car I want it to be able to do whatever I need it for or if my needs change overtime

I don't, but I *do* need 150 miles of range in below freezing temperatures due to the lack of fast charging infrastructure where I live.

The RAV4 prime will go 40-50 miles on a full charge

And that expectation is reasonable and there are available options. 99% of people won’t need 300 miles more than once or twice a year. The difference between a 300 mile car and a 250 mile car is an extra 20 minutes of charging on your annual road trip.

Because they live in the middle of the country where "cities" can be under a million people, have 200-300 miles of nothing in between them and they routinely have to drive back and forth to one. It's really about not wanting to spend an hour hanging out by a dirty gas station slushy machine at 11pm in a rural red state "Bubbaville" while being looked at funny by the patchouli smelling roal coal crowd that lives there while your fucking EV tries to charge in below freezing weather of -15 degree just because you're going to be 30 miles short of getting to your destination. I'm from one of those places. Taking a Prius there in 2010 was bad enough. Nope on going there in an EV.

Battery technology was oversold by Tesla to a large extent. Used teslas aren't super reliable, and a lot of them under 100k miles have a pretty degraded battery now. Recently someone here was talking about a \~80% battery with like 75k miles. Tesla will not even warranty a model 3 battery until capacity is under 70% and even then people have had a hard time. For your use case - needing a lot of range but wanting an EV - I would suggest a PHEV. It's far more environmentally friendly than a pure EV because of the massive environmental cost of battery production and because 10 PHEVs can be made for the battery cost of one pure EV. But also i'd trust Hyundai and Kia way above Tesla. Far better brands.

Because 300 miles turns to 200 on the highway in the winter.

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If thats really the case then other EVs won't have much better battery longevity. Tesla's use similar battery technology to other EVs

Are there any that have been on the market long enough to have any kind of useful track record? Absent that, I would just stick with the familiar names that are already reputable.

Because we do. If a new technology can't at least be comparable to what I have now in an ICE car, then I'm not going to take a step backwards, especially when it comes to long charging times.

The only other EV I can think of that has high mile examples are the Chevy Bolt (but they had to recall the HV batteries) or the Mustang Mach E (they have high mile fleet examples for data)

I wanted to trade in for a taycan but the issues that I read on that are horrid. Such an embarrassment driving a MY.

I put almost 50k on my 2020 model y and the range went down less than 2% before I sold it. The unreliable parts in my experience are absolutely the interior, suspension parts. The battery packs in old Teslas are salvaged and reused by all sorts of EV enthusiasts that are all over the place on the Elon spectrum™, none of them ever mention the reliability of used Tesla cells in the videos I have seen. If there is evidence showing batteries decline faster than Teslas claims I would love to throw another log on the fire and read stories about it but I have not been able to find them.

Yeah your options are pretty limited right now if you care about longevity GM EVs so far haven't had any major problems reported yet, but they also haven't been out long enough Maybe BMW or Mercedes EVs are better

We had a volt. Loved it, but all of the batteries eventually degrade regardless of manufacturer.

Yeah my mom had a first gen one, it died at only 130k miles. Gas cars can easily outlast hybrids or EVs

Last time I checked ICE cars can’t refuel themselves in my garage when I’m not using them, they’re more expensive to operate, have a lot more moving parts, more required maintenance, and worse noise vibration and harshness. It’s the ICE cars that are in no way provide a comparably positive experience to EVs. But you do you.

Except that they do last better. Tesla overdid the battery charging speed for one thing, while others were more cautious for quite long while. Of course there are exceptions such as early VAG MEB platform, that is early iD4, Skoda Enyaq and such where battery was cooled only from bottom, with obviously disastrous results.

Especially the latest model, and as Toyota is even too careful with charging, the battery is likely to be super long lived.

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We have Subaru Solterra which is Bz sold under Subaru badge, made in Toyota factory. And RAV4 as hobby and road trip car.

I agree except for the last 2 sentences.

Then you still have to maintain the ICE component. Worst of both worlds IMO.

No, but they can refuel in a few minutes, not half an hour. And if it's a major deal I could theoretically keep a drum hand like my dad did during the oil embargo. In either case, I have no garage so charging at home isn't even an option. If I'm on a long trip, refueling time is a big deal, and so is range. But if you have a place to charge them and only need a daily commuter for local driving, they are probably a good option, though the ROI is still a big issue since they cost more upfront. Personally I'd like to see the whole thing go more toward hydrogen. Toyota seems to be the only one pushing more in that direction.

Last I read they were getting batteries from Panasonic like everyone else.

I bought a used Mustang Mach E last year and it's been fantastic. Easily the best car I've ever owned; compared to what I actually paid for it (about $27k, with an extended warranty) it's a no-brainer choice. I have not experience any significant battery degradation from the advertised-new spec. I think maybe 3 miles? Mine is a 2021, it's got about 56k miles on it at this point, about 20k of which are mine. That said: I didn't get the big battery. I almost never drive more than 200 miles in a day, so this is not something I really have to think about much. Every couple of months, maybe 10 times / year, I have to think about where I'm going to charge while I'm on a long drive. So not holding out / spending extra for a 300 mile battery has not actually been a downside for me all that often. It is a downside in very specific situations, but even that is pretty mild. Above 30 deg. F, my car will go for 2.5-3 hours on the highway. That's about what my bladder is comfortable with. Going from \~20% to \~80% charge is about 30 minutes, so I take a break, go pee, walk around to loosen up a bit, maybe have a nibble, and by the time I feel like I should be getting back on the road, the car is ready. My other ride is a motorcycle, and I usually don't do more than about 90 minutes at a time without getting off to stretch and hydrate, so it's a familiar routine for the EV. Finally, the last time my car was in to get some updates run, I got a loaner Bronco. Automatic transmissions SUCK now! Before my MME I had a Civic with a stick shift, and between that and my bike, and then my EV, I got spoiled. The AT on this Bronco is extremely disappointing.

Bolt EV, had one to 300k km with zero issue. Now on 2nd one.

Ours actually got totaled, but the battery was starting to show its age. The problem with a lot of these are if any of the cells drop below a certain voltage threshold, the battery declares itself unsafe (which it probably is for a number of reasons) and basically tells you to fuck off through the dashboard and refusal to run. It would be awesome if they could standardize batteries for swaps or just make it the battery sectional so it can disable a small bank, but still give you stability. Good luck convincing an auto manufacturer to build a longer lasting car though.

Get a Hybrid Prius

Take a look at the GM (Chevrolet) and Ford EVs.

Rivian I hear is very good from the non-Tesla fans EV crowd

For what it's worth, Hyundai/Kia's Battery and components 10year warranty (I believe this includes the ICCU) does apply to subsequent owners. So while you may not get the power train warranty, you *will* still be covered for the battery/ICCU for 10 years or 100K miles.

my i4 has been great and they are super reasonable used

Similar != equal My 2022 iX has degraded a whooping 1% over 43 500 miles.

Given you use miles I assume you're in US, Liquid cooled ones lots of Chevy Bolt were recalled for battery so most of them had a new fresh battery. Air cooled ones Nissan LEAFs (but I strongly recommend the 2026 third gen which is a massive upgrade).

The reviews are brutal

It also has attributes that are the best of both worlds too.

Yeah, it's wild to say burning fuel is more environmentally friendly than making a bigger battery that can be recycled. PHEV emissions over the lifetime of the vehicle are way higher than an EV.

Second this.

Your penultimate sentence is blatantly false. [PHEV emissions are way higher than an EV](https://news.umich.edu/evs-reduce-climate-pollution-but-by-how-much-new-u-m-research-has-the-answer/).

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I think the charging has definitely caught up for the most part, especially with battery preconditioning added to the 2026 model. Over a 670 mile trip that I plugged into ABRP, the latest Tesla Model Y is only 13 minutes faster to the destination. I made this same trip from NC to MA with a 2026 model and it was a breeze, even with temps below 20 degrees after we hit NY.

Has been around for 10 years?

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How hard is it to design a battery pack consisting of easily swappable modules that show either green or red light based on whether it's good or bad? If one goes bad, your dash tells you. You go, open the door to it, see which one is bad, pull it out and replace. You might even carry one or two spare ones in your trunk. They won't. They want you to submit to their racket- replacing a battery is almost impossible outside of dealership, and it costs thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. And that is why I'm not sold.

I mean the entire under chassis of the car is the battery pack. No matter what you need access to a car lift in order to service the HV battery, its also pretty dangerous if you don't know what your doing Its more of a current EV design flaw. They are naturally harder to service

I don’t own a Mach-E, but my gut feeling from having read a LOT of chatter on Reddit and forums is that they are pretty dang reliable.

Batteries are kind of hit or miss (luck of the draw) anyway across all brands. Take 10 random EV batteries same year same car and you will see varying performance and degradation. The battery health test is also wildly inaccurate. Just gauge the actual mi/kwh changes

Apparently there are a lot of rideshare BYD's in China with 250k - 500k kms on the clock, still going strong. Would like to see some hard data on that.

Embarrassment? Jesus

Mine has given me almost no trouble at all - really just this frunk latch. My local dealer service sucks, but the car is great.

Nissan Ariya is fantastic and often overlooked.

My X was so unreliable I’m not scared to buy anything else. Our Kia has been great. Honestly the model 3 is the best EV ever made. we have one over 200k and it’s been the best car we’ve ever owned. We just couldn’t stand to give him any money. My next one might be a BMW.

Yeah I think the X has always been problematic because of its rear doors

I bet i spent $30k on that car in 5 years. $0 on doors.

My wife's 2019 bolt is up near 120k miles without issue and she keeps racking up the miles daily.

lol the Bolt has been out nearly 10 years.

I’ve not heard too many complaints about BMW i4s for reliability. I only had mine for 2 years but in that time it did not require any service visits (other than the 2 yearly service and a set of front tyres). Easily achieved 300 mile range too.