Tesla Owner Drives Luxury Chinese EV's - It's Over

It's been over for well over a year, just that people in the West don't know it (mostly because our shit media doesn't expose people to what's happening in the rest of the world). In 5 years from now, I seriously doubt Tesla will still be selling cars.

They don't currently sell cars. They sell share's.

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Didn't they announce a year ago that tesla is no longer a car company? Since they aren't introducing new cars, that's a pretty good bet.

i don't understand how Tesla sells any cars in China at all. They're more expensive and way, way behind Chinese EVs. The main area they're behind on is quality, but they're also way behind on technology. They're doing real good with batteries, though, as they buy those from CATL to put into their cars.

tesla shareholders are going to get absolutely smoked at some point. it's insane how overvalued their shares are. 30x, at least.

I thought they were in the kiddie porn business now?

Many Chinese people still believe that foreign brands have better technology and quality. Just like many westerners still believe that Chinese brands are inferior in technology and quality. It was true 10 years ago, but things has changed a lot.

BYD makes their own batteries, far superior to Musk's random purchased cells.

The only thing that is going to save western car makers is tariff barriers. I'm in China now, for the first time in a long time, and honestly, I can't believe just how far ahead their automakers are. Huawei has an SUV that has more luxury kit on it than a high end Range Rover, and it's about 1/3rd of the price. Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, any high end company is toast if Chinese automakers are able to get a foothold in their markets. Western car makers have been plowing money into shareholder dividends, while Chinese car makers have been plowing money into R&D.

That's pretty on point for Ford since the Japanese beat them in the 70s/80s. They won't learn a thing from this. Instead of figuring out solutions for the F-150 Lightning they are killing the product.

they won't sell cars or robots. But the stock may be up because Musk will be promising something else. Of course, if the SEC ever did their job, he might be in jail

The U.S. will look like Cuba while the rest of the world has modernized and moved on.

the car reviewer seems racist copying Trumps pronounciation on the word "China" 😂 Another note I remember an interview over 10 years ago where Elon said, "Have you seen the Chinese EVs?!" and giggled his ass off/mocking Chinese EVs. Insane how the tables have turned on him, he'd look like an idiot if that interview surfaced again.

I look forward to seeing these on US roads. This is needed competition.

[obligatory Silicon Valley scene](https://youtu.be/YZFTaEenaHM?si=lGprjlOE5Fw_STLj)

Chinese automotive gets a 30% rebate on every part purchase in china from a Chinese supplier. Nobody can compete.

Chinese are launching these mass desinformation campaigns like Tesla does, a taste of their own medicine 😅

He said, "5 foot 12 metric". What does that even mean?

I'm still curious if these cars are reliable long-term. Many products that are both affordable and fancy when new need to cut some corners. A lot of problems only come up after a 5-10 years.

Somehow everyone keeps forgetting how subsidised Chinese EV, solar, and battery industries are.

Depends which part of "the west" you're talking about. I just parked my Chinese EV in my Australian driveway right next to my other Chinese EV. It was "over" about 2 years ago as far as I was concerned.

And what, you think the US auto companies aren't subsidised? Tesla is literally a welfare queen.

This right here. Shareholder dividends and I would add , making decisions that look good short term for stock price reasons vs doing what makes the company competitive long term

How much are the subsidies worth on that? They’ve been heavily subsidized for at least 15 years now. Even if they can now outcompete, which they clearly can, how much was that worth and is a tariff fair or as an alternative countries would equally subsidize/tariff to catch up.

Maybe a western brand is seen as prestigious....

This is a good idea.

US auto makers so greedy they only want to build and sell $70K full size trucks . Will be the death of them

'Shares'. No apostrophe.

Good point. Also, those Tesla-style recessed door handles suck, and so does the 'self-closing' doors. These features should be banned from cars sold in the US.

What Tesla achieved in such a short amount of time is nothing short of remarkable. I don’t think Tesla or any other American car manufacturer received anything that comes close to what the Chinese government is spending.

How is servicing or maintenance going? Or replacement parts? Canada is allowing 49000 Chinese EV’s to be imported. We’re envious of Australia already having them👍

How did you think Giga Shanghai came about in 1 year? Pixie dust and good wishes?

Not really , they got good terms for the Tesla's sold like zero interest for 60 months etc.

Not exactly true. The f150 lightning was a rushed product, for the past 3 years we have been creating a new from there ground up. You can't just update a bad design and make it good enough to compete.

Absolutely, Elon sold out to the CCP just like he did to Trump. Ironically, after Giga Shanghai was built, we saw a tremendous boost in native Chinese EV development. I guarantee the CCP received a major chunk of Tesla tech and applied it in BYD and others.

Last week Canada has traded canola for cars. Come and get your BYD order in. Quota but no excess tariff. Don will be pissed. Playbook: importing only, manufacturing plant in 10 years, plant will move to Alabama 10 years later.

My cars are both MG's. A 2023 MG4 that's needed its 2yr scheduled service, no drama there, and a 2021 ZS EV that I bought used with 60,000km on the clock. That one had a locking motor fail on the passenger side. Fixed in a week under the 7yr warranty. MG have service centres in every city, they've been selling petrol cars here for a number of years before bringing in EV's. That was one of the reasons I chose an MG over a BYD. They were brand new with zero service centres at the time, so they outsourced that to a 3rd party national chain of service centres. Now, 2 and a half years later they have 8 centres in my city alone. EDIT: [Here's a map showing their Aussie expansion in 2 years.](https://bydautomotive.com.au/find-us)

Love watching a dork drive like a grandma around a track to put a car through its paces. I don’t doubt these will pants a Tesla but cmon. Open it up a bit brother.

You know nothing about BYD's technology before Giga Shanghai.

A lot of people here seem to be saying that the west doesn't realise it's over. I think a better way of saying it is probably that either North America or more so the US don't realise it's over. In the UK, where we don't have laws restricting Chinese EVs like the US and Canada do, Omoda, BYD, GWM, JAECOO, Leapmotor and formerly British MG (via Chinese SAIC) are already so much more common on the road then only a few years ago and are competing well with budget EVs from popular western and European brands like Nissan, Vauxhall, Peugoet, Citroen, Volkswagen, Skoda and Ford and are dominating the luxury EV market and challenging brands like Tesla, Mercedes, BMW etc. Many dealerships which previously sold big brands like Ford or Nissan have started to specialise in the Chinese brands because of how popular they are. The dealer network I bought my Leaf from has started to specialise in GWM and MG vehicles more recently and a number of larger dealer networks have been specialised in BYD especially for a while now.

I know that Wang Chuanfu has very strong ties to the CCP.

No, we didn't. BYD are a huge company, akin to General Electric or Samsung. They spend billions in R&D a year, far more than Tesla ever have. They have also been producing EVs since 2009, 5 years or so before Tesla even sold their first car there. Put simply, no. Turn down the star spangled banner and take of your US elitism glasses and think for a second before making absolute rubbish claims.

I was looking at BYD cars and wondered why anyone would by them compared to a tesla. Since they don't have ore conditioning ams charge quite slower then a tesla (150kwh vs 250kwh) for DC charging. They are a good city car but I would rather have a car that can charge quickly and most likely has a heat pump for inter city traveling.

Unfortunately, not only Tesla shareholders, but shareholders period. It'll take the whole market down when it tanks.

Thanks. Even with a popular Rav4 in Canada, there was a six month wait for a simple bumper cover.  We’re watching the prices fall on used Subaru Solterra EV, and seeing how the Subaru Uncharted EV works out. But we also have blizzards, crappy roads, and -40C to deal with.

I’m old enough to remember when Americans thought Japanese cars were cheap junk. Now they are considered the gold standard for quality and reliability (at least Toyota and Honda). When Korean cars entered the US market in the mid 80s they were terrible. My buddy had a Hyundai Accent and it was the worst car I’ve ever sat in. Now Hyundai has a lot of respect in the US. It can take a while for sentiment to change, but it can change.

BYD fully electric vehicles didn’t start to become widely adopted until after 2020, which is a year after giga Shanghai was complete. Before that, they mostly sold mediocre PHEVs. Denying that China is running a government-scale industrial espionage machine is just silly.

If Trump survives his current term you'll see Tesla bailed out by the free falling dollar in a spectacular collapse of everything

I don't know much about the Soltara other than it being a reskinned Toyota BZ4X, about which there was a heated conversation in the Aussie EV sub just yesterday [if you were curious to see how it's seen here vs Chinese EV's.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianEV/comments/1qfvt06/what_is_with_the_bz4x_hate_on_this_sub/)

>BYD fully electric vehicles didn’t start to become widely adopted until after 2020 So? >Before that, they mostly sold mediocre PHEVs If by mediocre you mean the world's first mass produced PHEV, sure. I could say the same about Tesla vehicles too. From panel gaps, FSD, bits flying off the trash dumpster, doors that don't open in emergencies. >Denying that China is running a government-scale industrial espionage machine is just silly. What, you reckon the US don't? 😂 Welcome to super powers being dicks.

There is a lot of American exceptionalism and Anti-Chinese propaganda in this comment section.

the us auto industry has received plenty of government money in the form of bailouts, EV subsidies, and EV tax incentives. let’s also not forget about the fuel subsidies that make american gas guzzling suvs economically viable.

Whoa, never heard of this dude but he sure comes across as a massive douche bag/Tesla owner.

we could do the same in US if we dont go to wars or provide money to isarel

The dollar is already free falling, as is most currency against gold.

Ohhhh buddy, Can't wait to see the other Canadians reaction to what's coming soon.

But is gold stonk even actually backed by gold? And why is shiny heavy valuable?

Tesla buy batteries from BYD tho..

Good question. You cannot eat or drink it, and you can't grow more of it when planted in the soil.

He doesn’t need an old interview to look like an idiot. Listen to almost any interview and it’s often sprinkled with idiocy

I just hope they are made available in the US.

People keep saying this but don’t understand the market there. The cars competing with the 3/Y are basically in the same price range as them. Generally the crazy spec’d Chinese cars are a phenomenal price but they are more expensive than the 3/Y. The X/S/CT just don’t exist there because they can’t compete. Zeekr 7X is 239k Yuan vs. 249k for the MY for example. 7X is probably nicer but Tesla FSD is better when it’s approved for China.

No doubt about it.. Here in Australia people drive around in BMWs and Mercedes because of the prestige. But if a truly honest comparison was made with top of the line local made products (when we had a car manufacturing industry) these imported cars were not that superior at all. In fact, bang for your buck, they were a poor choice.

That’s changed 180 degrees in the last 5-7 years. Now it is seen as not believing in China if you buy a foreign car - there is a huge switch with the perceived quality and the social desirability of buying a Chinese car versus a foreign car.

America needs cheaper EVs so bad and China is beating us so hard at this. But sadly we're too focused on terrorizing blue states with ICE to make any meaningful progress on anything that matters.

Good link. Didn’t know about the thermal management & rapid overheating; already knew about the abysmal charging speeds, especially with a Canada winter, though 2024 and later models (BZ4X, Solterra) seem to have solved that?  Local Tesla Model 3 user is commenting about all the battery preconditioning that’s happening to precondition the traction battery while driving to a Supercharger when it’s below 0C. His workaround is to stop Supercharger navigation to prevent preconditioning, and use regular mapping to get to within thirty minutes of the supercharger, then use Supercharger navigation to start preconditioning. He hates the interior ergonomics with everything via touchscreen.  In some of our areas, between forest fires, flooding (or atmospheric rivers), blizzards, and ice storms, there can be lengthy road closures, detours, and power outages. The EV would be the commuter vehicle and trips to the cottage, with a secondary ICE vehicle for lengthier trips and hauling trailers and equipment

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The documentary American Factory shows the difference between an American and Chinese factory. Basically Americans are slow and we complain too much

But Tesla is a Chinese car, right? So not really a factor I imagine.

Tesla also buys batteries from Byd.

They really should have bought rivian and made that their EV line.

I am changing my Mx to a Aiways next month. The price difference is bizar.

Wasn’t there a wave of korean car thefts because they cheaped out on theft security?

Have you seen the software on some of them? Honestly the Americans tech companies are just better at it. Hardware is nice but the software is god awful, just have a look at customer reviews in the Facebook groups

Well there's no real reason to buy one anymore. When they first came out they where unique and special, competing with literally only the Leaf, which was and still is a completely different type of car. But now there's no point, they're not really special anymore, unless you consider being able to play games an important feature of a car. And that's before you even begin to consider Musk.

What do you mean tesla fsd is better when it's approved for China?

You act like that doesn’t happen in the US

Know I had to drive a GWM every day for work a couple years ago. Even doing that made me think getting one for my next car is a good idea

God my mum had the first gen Accent, was called the Excel here in Australia, and it was so cheap, but she drove that for years before it died

i don't understand how Apple sells any phones in China at all. They're more expensive and way, way behind other phone hardware. It's a status thing. You wouldn't understand.

Tesla stock is only go up!

iPhones are not way behind on anything. Overpriced yes, but they’re solid phones.

I've never understood why Tesla refuses to meaningfully update their vehicles. They've done zero real full refreshes their entire history.

I think its similar to Ferrari, your not buying a Ferrari cause its reliable or made to a high quality. Your buying it for the name and reputation. Tesla is a pretty different product and im not saying Tesla os anywhere near what a Ferrari is. Just saying theyre most probably purchasing ot for the name rather then the product.

Because Chinese people are not paid to drive prepared cars for 15 minutes like auto blogger who praise these cars.  Russian were raving about Chinese cars for couple of months until they were not covered with rust, now they pay double price to import Korean and European. I’m really surprised how people are gullible to trust commercials and paid influencers.

Half of the price goes to automaker directly. And Chinese automaker ls a re failing at crazy rates now. Read about it. This is the reason they what to dump all that unsold stock to the West and thus pay influencers to praise their cars.

Tesla is worth $1.37 trillion as I write this. They will release earnings in the next few weeks and I'm betting that they have a loss. That stock price is going to pop eventually and at that valuation, it is going to devastating to a lot of people who have S&P 500 index funds.

I was in China in November and Tesla's were being used as taxi's and to be honest they were crap. So many better alternatives were available.

MG = 30% chance of any electric or mechanical failure in the first year of ownership (see https://www.whatcar.com/mg-motor-uk/mg4/hatchback/used-review/n26329/reliability for example). Trash reliability, still superior to Tesla, but trash compared to any other non-Chinese brand. I am friend with the MG main dealer in my region of New Zealand. Guess what he and his family drive privately (the cars that he owns, not the company cars)? Anything but MG. That just tells you a lot.

It’s a consistent joke on his channel…he’s my favorite YouTuber for that reason…I think he’s funny. Could cut out the Donald Trump impressions a little though….its every single video at this point. 🤣

Holy fuck it is SO STUPIDLY HUGE IN THE THUMBNAIL

The iPhones are reliable and don't rely on gimmicks like many Chinese phones do. Those phones break and iPhones keep on working just fine. They might not have the absolute latest features, but because of this they are a polished product with few flaws. The same applies to a lot of the Chinese automotive industry. They have a lot of gimmicks which tend to break or not work well at all. Many entry and mid level Chinese EVs are not good products. We see their higher end stuff which of course should be good. They aren't cheap products. China builds to a price very well and gives you exactly what you pay for. Be it features or quality. Tesla is more mature compared to the EV makers there which is why they are popular. They are also not really that expensive compared to something comparable and have less likely hood of spontaneously combusting compared to domestic products which caused buildings to ban electric cars from parking near, but those EV makers have huge amounts of state backing to invest in research and buying smaller companies to consolidate. Tesla was way ahead of the curve. They were really the first to have a mass market electric car and brand. But like Intel, they got complacent and now competitors are eating their lunch.

Downvoted because you said Tesla was better. Hah. You are correct…Chinese do not “road trip”…they sit in traffic and drive only around cities in these. They are very nice and well appointed, but are made by people making $20/month working 80 hour weeks. The only price comparison he can give is what it costs in China to purchase or what it would cost with 200% tariffs in the US. We don’t tariff Chinese cars because they’re better and cheaper and would hurt US automakers, we tariff them because they’re better Chinese don’t play fair!!

Those "random" cells are either BYD LFP, or a joint venture between Tesla and Panasonic.

If you wanted to sell cars in China you had to partner with an existing car company and build the cars there for the most part. This is how China's industries get IP and grow so quickly only to force those same companies out of the country by domestic brands outselling them. Same happened to Siemens and Shinkansen when China wanted high speed rail, China didn't even uphold their end of the contract.

They are still plowing all their resources into figuring out vision for FSD.... with lousy results LOL

Nearly a year ago: Ford Chief Says China Leads US By 10 Years In EV Batteries, Needs Their IP | Carscoops https://share.google/5mjZYY1cjSjoyhWtQ

MG is the cheapest option, and I'm not denying there's a reason they're cheap. But they also have a 10yr warranty, plenty of service centers and from my 2yrs of ownership so far, it's been smooth sailing. From scheduled services to warranty repairs, no complaints. I'm poor, but MG's are cheap enough for me to own 2 of their electric cars. The EV I'd love to own if I had the money is the new Volvo and they've just had a national recall and owners have been told not to charge beyond 70% to avoid battery fires, so MG are still winning in my books, haha.

They are products rushed to market to get a competitive edge simply by being the first. The hardware may be fine but they don't spend any time at all fixing glitches before releasing a product. The same thing happens with their phone companies. Latest features and gimmicks, but Apple is still is king because the product just works. Eventually people will see past the initial impact they had and the market will adjust accordingly. In Mexico Chinese EVs had massive sales their first few years but that is tapering off because nobody can get parts to fix them when they break.

Tesla autopilot and FSD are miles ahead of anything the Chinese currently have since their software is so new. There were crashes caused by Chinese software similar to autopilot that could have been avoided if the car was a Tesla. Here is a test comparison that even with LiDar and better hardware than what Tesla currently has, the Chinese EVs are nowhere close right now https://electrek.co/2025/07/26/a-chinese-real-world-self-driving-test-36-cars-216-crashes-with-tesla-on-top/#:\~:text=ADAS-,Chinese%20real%2Dworld%20self%2Ddriving%20test:%2036%20cars%2C,you%20can%20read%20about%20here)

Chinese cars are like JD Power awards. They look great at first, but then you realize that they are paid off for marketing and quality is lacking.

You can blame CAFE standards for that allowing these companies (really, incentivizing them) to build less efficient large vehicles instead of small ones. Those trucks also don't fall under luxury car taxes either; another loophole.

Really, you would buy a Tesla for the charging network. Nobody else had one as large as they did.

You can already get a Chinese EV in the US like the ones Polestar offers.

Yes and interstingly only in the US market. Elsewhere they had immobilisers but the US division removed them for cost savings.

Listening to the Ford executives talking to Trump about their range of trucks was fascinating. The Chinese have simply stolen the EV sedan market while Ford sat by and did absolutely nothing.

BYD does not manufacture batteries. FDB does.

You mean like Teslas which are ranking last in checkup reports in Germany? \*even behind Dacia

They actually produce most parts themselves, not being dependent on subcontractors. I read an article about a BYD model, where the only parts that wasn’t produced by BYD was the glass for windows and tires.

More importantly, owning a stupidity expensive foreign car is a status symbol. Just like it is here...

Once they got all the robots happy in Canada, they'll probably just leave them there closer to the battery plants.

My bad, I meant specifically byd since that’s the one most referenced for Chinese brands.

I can see Leon doubling his Ketamine dosage over this. He lost out on robos, stupid cypher truck and tramp keeps pushing oil. Good thing he has deep pockets. Next.

Can you expand on this? Is Tesla fsd not very good?

The F150 sold better than the cybertruck.

The sub contractor model developed in the US because companies hate hiring more workers. So they’d rather have more inefficient subcontractors (who also reduce their ability to innovate and develop new designs) rather than having more workers on payroll.

Rivian is losing money. Ford’s EV division is losing money. They need to learn how to make money making EVs first.

If only they let these cars in EU without these tariffs but even with them, they are still priced very competitive compared to the other EU ev brands and Tesla.

...but if you dig into the data, its mostly issues like interior squeaking, software glitches, and the inevitable 'front suspension somewhat worn out'. I'm totally not a Teslaboy, but this "info" keeps showing up here and there, until you get to the gist of it and see that its crap.

Good ol' Jim will come back home to spend some more money on Motorsports and burn some office time on his podcasts.

At this point, almost all Chinese EV’s are luxury compared to all of Américas EV’s.

Foreign brand name and prestige. Apple also has a huge market share despite companies like Xiaomi and Huawei with highly competitive products at much cheaper prices. BYD has caught up though and Tesla's market share in china has been falling.

The move to Cybertruck was so stupid, honestly. They could have added a small truck bed to a Model Y base with a camper add on and it would have sold like hotcakes to the suburban crowd who wants a truck for the fantasy role-play.

The Cybertruck is a hideous car, no matter the tech it has

They’re loosing money because here everyone is pushing for gas instead, so there’s little motivation to overhaul the system…plus a bunch of old farts controlling everything, they’re totally out of the loop with reality

It will be interesting to see if Chinese cars in Canada finally makes Americans open their eyes on EV's. We are falling behind technologically.

Without government encourage adaption is slow. When you go to China there are charging points everywhere which encourages people to make the switch.

Tesla is trying to shoot for the moon in relying entirely on  cameras and not lidar in their self driving goals.  Not only that, but while other companies like Waymo are sticking to a more controlled, and safer way to self navigate by operating only in areas with maps that have been mapped out for self driving, Tesla tries to do it with using basic Google maps and relying on its AI system to drive, with occasional hilarious (and dangerous results).

It was a big problem in the UK too

It’s over for others. I’m not buying a connected car, much less one connected to China.

Regulatory bodies in Germany do not care about your interior squeaking or software glitches. It was mostly suspension loose (as in as loose to not be able to continue driving it), brakes and lights.

Though Polestar is manufacturing in the US.

If they did what slate did they would have had a run away home run, and it's something Europe wouldn't have detested and probably small enough possibly interesting to Asia.

If you have to diligently supervise it at and be ready to take over driving at all times does it really make that much difference if you have to intervene once a year instead of once a week? Not that they're anywhere close to that level. I get for some people it's more relaxing to diligently supervise a car than drive one (or so they claim at least) but that doesn't have that much realizeable market wide value and probably isn't by itself worth the costs of the compute and sensor platform. The real value of FSD is in a promise for unsupervised driving that Tesla hasn't delivered despite years and years of claiming it was just around the corner.

Are you saying that as someone who owns a Tesla and uses FSD? Or is this what you've heard? And lol who downvoted me

I don't own a Tesla and don't know what you're specifically asking about but I don't see why I'd have to own one to make a value judgement about supervised FSD. If I did own a Tesla I wouldn't pay a dollar for FSD (let alone the much higher actual costs). Having to babysit the car all the time and be ready to take over with zero warning while it's in the middle of doing something inexplicably stupid sounds very stressful to me and a lot worse than just driving the car. But then I'd still be paying for all this compute and sensors that I'm not really using. I think there's a reason why other car makers outside China aren't offering this sort of end to end level 2 autononous driving feature. Not just doing an inferior version but not even trying. And it's not because none of them has the technical capability.

Ah okay thanks for the info. I've heard mixed reviews about FSD. I know it's not fully autonomous yet though, although I'm seeing more waymo and Tesla cab self driving videos.

After I saw videos on the Xiaomi SU7, I’ve regretted getting my Mach-E so much 😢

What about quality & reliability issues with Chinese cars? They may look amazing, but if they fail repeatedly in ownership, cool features don’t count for much.

The software is terrible, reliability questionable (see this week’s Carwow video for a good example) and they look like an abomination from uploading established marques into ChatGPT.

For sure, that certainly helps but if Ford actually understood the depth of the threat to their business they could lobby government to provide charging points. It's not like Ford are averse to influencing government policy.

I heard this about Norway and Sweden. There are outlets, not just EV charging stations, everywhere. You can plug in almost anywhere you want. The problem here is that people would be assholes and unplug you. People in Norway and Sweden apparently respect car owners and let them charge peacefully. We'd have to have portable charging cables with some locking mechanism on both sides for it to work.

I also think that it's labor costs. And probably benefit packages.

Well there were regular shareholder meetings, industry reports etc. Tesla was showing off prototypes and working on stuff in China. This is going to be an excellent case study for business students.

Europe too. It's something that afflicts developed civilizations.

He drove a Xiaomi SU7 regularly as a personal car for like 6 months. He really liked it from what I remember. Ford bought one and shipped it to US as a test vehicle.

Or. Would rather spend billions in politics rather than R&D.

We?

Meanwhile r/electricvehicles and other EV subreddits keep harping on how Chinese EVs are overrated and about Wumao bots on reddit... Yet the T fanboy astroturfing since 2017 to now is completely glossed over.

I'm part of the development team for next Gen ev truck. I was.... it was canceled.

Cancelled? So, other than Mach E, Ford has no other ev products for the US market? I have a 2025 Mach E long range on a lease, and it is good car. I am not sure it is worth 50K.

Absolutely but it’s not just Tesla. Certainly Tesla have taken a substantial market share but there’s a tidal wave of Chinese companies and their products are genuinely good as well as being priced at levels which, in comparison, make Ford look like a premium manufacturer. We all know they’re not. Ford are dinosaurs watching the meteor crash.

And now they are going for the full-size SUV market.

It’s not just that. Chinese factories are. Ew. Holds. They were designed for very high state of automation. US and European factories are older and need to be fully redesigned internally to match that. This takes time and a lot of money.

The only way to make money building cars is to build a lot of them. They just don‘t reach that scale yet. But as long as people don‘t buy the product they never will.

Probably. It, but it will massively effect US manufacturers and their sales volume.

A lot of parts suppliers are more flexible and innovative than the car makers themselves. But they are dependent on carmakers to take the ideas into production.

But those numbers are going down fast. Also the only reason why Tesla is at the top of most EV rankings is because the only sell 2 models internationally. If you rank them by total volume Tesla drops like a stone.

It's not unusual too. It's a weakness of the stock markets that prioritise short term gains at the expense of long term. Kodak designed the digital sensor but could not build the market. Nokia and mobile phones...plenty of similar examples. China would not have done it without government central planning and funding though.

i drive a long trip in my tesla with( FSD (the best tech 10ys ahead of anything)) short trip i drive in my byd ( summon in/out tight parking) everything in US is 15yrs behind even houses overall. *america low wage incomes does not match the cost of living. besides too many left wings causing problem i travel around to CA NY, and the NEWS CNN is a joke for clown, because the story doesn’t add up what i actually see.

that's a weak excuse. they made the Ford Ranger EV in 1998 and it's been FIFTEEN years since Tesla helped put EVs on everyone's radar. how many billions has Ford lost with "rushed products"? why tarnish your premier brand with a failure? every automaker has had more than enough time to deliver kickass EVs. if they couldn't delivering none would have been better than delivering 1/2assed

> The f150 lightning was a rushed product Because Ford panicked, like most US automakers, thinking Tesla was going to put them all out of business. They went all in an full EV, while mostly ignoring hybrids. Regardless, I've spent time in a Lightning and found it a nice vehicle. The problem is no one wants a full sized EV pickup truck. It's terrible product for anyone that wants a work truck and a terrible product for someone that wants to tow and a terrible product for someone who wants a truck for vacationing. Not because Ford did a bad job, but because EVs aren't suitable for any of that. If you're someone that just drives to work and wants a big truck, like most people who own them for personal use, it's a fine vehicle.

> The Chinese have simply stolen the EV sedan market while Ford sat by and did absolutely nothing. They did do something: they killed selling sedans entirely.

What's your source? Cars rusting after months? Chinese cars in the UK, we have salt and wet roads - none have rust on them! MG brand bought by a Chinese company - they've had cars in the UK for 8 years. Modern steels and paints don't flake and rust. 20 years ago cars not in garages would be rusting outside. Now cars really don't rust that much.

It was not stealing in your case. Ford never had anything to steal.

Not for 100 grand most if not all evs are way overpriced

It’s one of the reasons we don’t let them sell their cars in America. The other being there’s no WAY we can compete on labor costs.

There are two types of Chinese cars: “Export” and “Local”. MG, Volvo, BYD are export cars which are on a level to compete even after taxes applied. And there are “local” that would overflow the market with their shitty cars: Cherry, Changan, Leapmotors and many many many others.

So the BYD Seal is dead as a Chinese sedan? That’s not what I hear…

Drill baby Drill - as the Americans wanted with their Trump. They have always loved their gas guzzlers. Dumbed down by their own ignorance, they reject EVs, to their own detriment.

Don’t try sell them to America, that might help profits.

No, you don’t understand do you? A top BYD Seal is around $34,000 in China, and a top Model 3 Tesla is nearer $36000. Tesla has a large market in China, at 625,000 sold there last year. Their second largest market. You must be thinking about American Tesla’s, which reflects the generally poor standards in the USA. There are no such issues with Teslas built in China.

So, resting on your laurels under the shelter of government protection doesn't stop global competition. Good to know.

Ford CEO has had a Xiaomi SU7 that he imported for the past 6 months or more, and is on record saying that he’s impressed by it.

tesla is pretty ridiculous for a name, if it's for a name you're better off buying a porsche or mercedes