Goodbye Tesla. You won’t be missed

Good for you

Congratulations! Bet you can’t wait for rain just to not have to use the horrid wipers.

Not long ago I took an Uber ride in a Tesla. I was surprised how bad the road noise is. Even without engine noise, the car was a lot louder than my ICE car. In fact it was one of the noisiest cars I think I'd ever been in.

When a Tesla shows up I'd politely to move on. I have no death wish nor do I support Fascism'

Everytime I would get in my wife’s Highlander, I was shocked at how quiet it was compared to the Model 3. When I was driving home in the Mach-E last night, I hit a stretch of road that is particularly bad and instinctively turned the volume up. It was not needed!

This is a dumb take, especially since you'll be charged for the ride you didn't take.

I have a 2022 MYLR and driving it with the stereo on drowns out road noise but riding in a Model 3 Uber was just god-awful. That said, I've been paying attention to the cars I get in and a lot of them aren't that much better. A recent trip in a new Toyota bZ4X (I think) was just as bad. So much road noise in the back seat it was unbearable. Then there are Nissans! LOL

Also have an old Model 3. You're right... The road noise is appalling. Last week had a ride share in a BYD... My god, what a difference between that and Tesla. It's a mystery to me how Tesla sell any at all in China

That. EVs are inherently more quiet than a typical gas/diesel car due to lack of engine noise, but that makes any other noise like tire roar, wind sounds and road imperfections stand out more. The 3 and Y are terribly loud in comparison to anything in its class. My Audi Q4 is leagues ahead of my friend Model Y in comparison. No wonder T brand brags about their range when they put nothing for noise and sound isolation materials into their cars.

"back in 2023" Elon was already in full white supremacy mode, but...whatever, right?

Congrats on the rally, those are very fun cars. Next time you are shopping around just remember to try some different ones, and that tech ages the fastest so if the car is tech based it’s going to age like fish not wine

We also have a 23 Model 3 and yes it's pretty bad. Our lease is up in May and I am very much looking forward to getting the newer M3. We also had a 2020 MY (built very early in the process) and that rattled and shook like crazy too. So when I had the opportunity to upgrade to a 2024 MY I took it - the 1.99 Apr helped too. The 24 MY is Soooo much nicer than the 2020 - no road noise, no squeaks, no rattles, nothing. And it's safer and less expensive too. I'm sure I'll get some hate (maybe even a lot lol) for supporting whatever and risking my life and my families life 🤣🤣🤣 but please don't base your whole take on an entire brand with 1 (or even less than that) experience.

You could like, you know, turn off the wipers. :/  Mach-e is meh. The LCD dial thing sucks. Constant head banging on the seat. You may need a pillow for that. One pedal is bad. It's range estimate is 100% unreliable, I could never trust it (Hopefully software updates have fixed that). Just like any vehicle, pros and cons. It didn't work out for you and that's ok.

Nobody cares people in the real world pick whatever car they think is best for the price

FSD light version is coming out for hw3.. I agree hw4 is miles better .. you’ll be unhappy when that glass roof flies away on the highway

If you have no integrity... sure. And yet, Tesla was also far from the best electric car for the price "back in 2023". So collaborationist or just idiot, either way.

Exactly, my wife who doesn't know a damn thing about cars or doesn't care if we drive a piece of junk, even she was shocked by the sound and build quality of the Tesla when we borrowed one, how can there be a cult around this junk brand

But then he wouldn't get internet points for pretending to be righteous

> FSD was downright terrifying Don't worry, HW5 will fix everything just like HW3 was going to fix everything when they were on HW2.5....

Tesla absolutely was the best EV for the price in 2023. I think Musk is sociopathic and guarantee my politics are to the left of 99% of the folks here, but am more than happy 2 years in on a Model 3 standard with 35K miles.

Drove a Rivian pickup yesterday and was impressed with how quiet it was.

These fanatics still gaslight everyone into “the latest version is mind blowing”. They are so brainwashed, it’s scary.

>the car was a lot louder than my ICE car Auto manufacturers long ago figured out how to dampen engine noise. They used to compete on how quiet their cabins were. I don't know if they're still advertising how quiet their ICE cars are inside. But I'm not surprised Tesla hasn't learned that the public cares about a quiet car cabin.

So if a Ford Pinto (famous for rear end collision fires) showed up, you'd risk your life to avoid being charged for a ride you didn't take?

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This. I have a Tesla. Rented a MachE on a trip and there were definitely pluses and minuses. The biggest was charging infrastructure, but once it has the NACS port it should be fine. The weird thing is that OP leased and was likely going to be out of that lease next year. Not sure why any of the issues of a Tesla, especially the annoying wipers, would be worth paying the termination fee when you could just get the Mach-E in a few months. I guess some people are in a hurry to throw away money. 🤷‍♂️

Their range isn’t even that good. It’s lies.

They weren’t the best EV then, and they certainly aren’t now. Your model 3 is a piece of crap.

Took weeks of physical therapy to fix my back after a 40 min airport ride in the back of a Tesla on NYC potholed roads.

Yeah I think we need to really be more nuanced with these conversations. Musk is a fascist piece of shit, but that doesn't make other car makers somehow altruistic darlings. Many of their CEOs may harbor similar thoughts, but they don't broadcast it like Musk. With that said, I would at a minimum advise against buying or leasing a brand new Tesla. If you want an EV (and you should because it's objectively better for the environment) and must be a Tesla for financial reasons, get it used.

It wouldn't as Uber/Lyft do not allow cars beyond a certain age/mileage be used. Also, while I do not own an EV if I did it would be a Tesla. I do not agree with Elon, but Tesla cars still have the best range/software on the market for the money.

>It wouldn't as Uber/Lyft do not allow cars beyond a certain age /r/whoosh Talk about your "dumb take." 😂

So a dumb take is posting facts, got it.

I mean, so is the CEO of Toyota. Fuck the wealthy, they are all screwing us.

Son, if you couldn't figure out that the point was "It's dumb to take a ride in a dangerous car, to save a few bucks," you're too stupid to be posting on the Internet.

Why on earth do you keep going back to a crappy brand? Did no one tell you there are so many better choices now?

If there is a recall concerning the door handles. The cost could get into a few billion dollars.

Yes, and noise-isolating materials aren’t that heavy or expensive! Foam, plastic, etc, and mostly in hidden areas like door cavities or underbody.

The countless posts for years about how shitty Teslas are and you got one anyway. Good job.

First off, I'm not your "son". Secondly, Tesla makes up a massive percentage of Uber/Lyft vehicles so if you have the money to constantly cancel rides then you'd have enough to not be using the service, so I know it isn't true.

Congrats, that's an upgrade for sure. You're going to love the Mach-E. Mine is my favorite car I've ever owned, easily.

The CEO of Toyota did not buy a huge media app to spread whatever white supremacy views he has and influence US elections. He does not spend his days and nights riling up his cult followers to promote misogyny, racism, transphobia and violence. He might not be great, like any CEO, but there is a big difference. In any other company the CEO would be out of the door in a sec.

What the hell are you talking about? A used Model 3 is one of the best value per dollar you can get, even now. Many LR AWD examples can be found at or around $25k with very low miles. You can hate on Musk all you want, but is what the car offers really so far away from your expectations? What did you drive before, a Mercedes-Benz?

I drove a Model S for 3.5 years. Happiest day of my life was trading that piece of garbage in.

Best part of Tesla auto wipers is you don’t need to wait for rain to miss out on the fun! Just wait for it be sunny, or extremely cold, or drive under an overpass that shades the window.

My twenty year old Saab is still a better car than any muskrat shitbox.

Oooooookay, so this is an anti-musk cult sub, where people don't actually want to have conversations. Thought I was just expanding my media diet but I guess not. Good luck driving your 20 year old saab, hope it spins a bearing like mine did!

No. I own a 2023 Kia Niro EV. Not as fast as a Tesla but quiet. There were lots of good EVs in 2023. And to think Tesla fanboys used to tell me their cars were on par with the best German cars lol.

I feel like buying a Tesla is like doing a gacha. You gotta be lucky to pull one without many issues. In 2022, I bought a brand new 2023 Model 3 RWD and it has 55k miles now, and I love my car so much even after 3 years of ownership. My car is quiet and has no wind noises. I have yet to have any mechanical issues with the car. Only maintenances I needed were tires, cabin filter, windshield wiper blades and washer fluids. My car has never even needed a forward camera precision cleaning cuz it never got hazed or foggy. I don't even have FSD because the basic autopilot is too good already. It was never an EV but I've had a few rental cars before such as 2025 Ford Escape, 2024 Nissan Rogue, 2024 Mazda CX-5, 2022 Chevy Equinox. Also had a Corolla but forgot if it was 2023 or 2024. Every time I'd get in a rental, I immediately missed my Model 3. Despite these cars being newer than my Model 3 or almost the same age, they're missing so much technology and power that my cheapest model Tesla has. Their smart cruise control (if they even have it) is far worse than Teslas. Theyre almost like Tesla's lane departure assistance where it'll try to correct your steering but it won't actually drive and keep you in the lane. The amount of noise and vibration coming from the engine adds so much more fatigue and exhaustion from driving. The Ford escape had a terrible windnoise coming from the driver's window and front of the vehicle felt like it was shaking or vibrating so much I felt sick in my stomach from driving it. Regardless of how new the vehicles were, none of them were better than my Model 3 (of course this is very subjective based off of my own experience). Then recently, I had an opportunity to try driving a Toyota BZ4X. My first impression was that... It looked so ugly. Inside felt ok but the technology was nowhere close to the Teslas. Again, my cheapest Tesla felt a lot nicer driving (probably biased, ik). I convinced a few people around me to buy a Tesla and so far, all of them are happy with their purchases. Now, I know Teslas are nowhere near being perfect or luxurious. However, I was lucky with my gacha and pulled a car that wasn't built bad and it's been nothing but great to me. The best car I've owned so far and have never been happy with one car for this long because I was never a huge fan of driving and I'd lose love for all the cars I've had in the past after a few months of ownership. With this Model 3, I loved it so much that I even bought a pressure washer so I can hand wash this baby in my driveway and not leave any swirl marks in the paint. I won't lie though, I had a chance to drive around in a 2024 Cyberbeast for about a week and a 2025 Model S Plaid for a day and ever since those, my Model 3 RWD just doesn't feel the same. Makes me feel like I cheated on my baby... But one day I need to or want to get a different car, I am 100% sure I'll get a Model S. I feel like I'm gonna be with Teslas for a while.

\>Many of their CEOs may harbor similar thoughts, but they don't broadcast it like Musk. And therefore do not do the harm that Musk has done. They are not darlings, and the exact point is that no CEO or anybody else should be worshiped. But they did not do even haf of what Musk is doing, and the fact that we are tolerating this shit will only encourage others. There is no nuance to Fascism. If you are giving ANY money to Musk, even indirectly by buying an used car, you are a collaborationist. The End.

Tesla Ubers make me carsick with the rapid acceleration and unnatural deceleration (I guess from regenerative braking?)

Ridiculous. Here is a 2024 Ioniq5 for $23k. [https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3971400](https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3971400) Here is another with 22k miles for $25k [https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3972060](https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3972060) I can find ioniq 6s and every other EV for about the same or less.

Those are interesting examples, but I actually think the Model 3 offers more for the money, so my point stands. Call me crazy.

LMAO cultists gonna cult.

“My last two Teslas were built like shit but I’m sure the next one will be great.” 🤣🤣🤣

Seriously?? 🤣

Every time I ride in a Tesla I get carsick. I’m not sure if it’s the ride feel, the noise/vibrations or the very fast acceleration

Consider that many Uber drivers are doing about 50k miles per year.  And many neglect maintenance, particularly since they make shit money these days

And the other CEOs aren't fascist? Bezos? Zuckerberg? We all live in a fascist hellhole.

PPS

I thought this was just me!

LMAO virtue signaling subredditor gonna hate.

Oof u probably could have got the dealer ship to buy u out ur lease. Also the 2024 model 3 is night and day i traded up 3 months before my lease ended and it's so quiet. I live in the desert so not sure about the wipers but at the end of the day drive what makes you happy. Your choice, your life your car.

Sometimes lessons cost money

Show me the stats that a Tesla is more dangerous than the Pinto.

I have none of these problems in my Mach E.

>but please don't base your whole take on an entire brand with 1 (or even less than that) experience. So your argument is that people shouldn't judge Tesla off a single bad experience with owning one of their cars. They should be more like you who keeps buying Tesla's despite multiple bad experiences?

Yes :( I have a 2026 model y which fixes a lot of these issues but it still does this. And it still sucks dick.

The happiest day is when Porsche will sell me a GT3

Have you ridden in the back of yours? I have a Chinese-built 2024 Model 3 (ironically the better one), and honestly it’s way louder in the back than in the front.

But probably requires more experience in building cars, which, you know, Musk doesn’t want any part in learning about.

BuT hE lIKeD tHe aCcEleRaTiOn!!

[here](https://fuelarc.com/evs/its-official-the-cybertruck-is-more-explosive-than-the-ford-pinto/) Fatality rate per 100,000 units is 14.52 for the Cybertruck; 0.85 for the Pinto. So the Pinto is not only safer, it is *a lot* safer.

It will be interesting to see how many 2023 Model 3's will be on the road in 2043.

Sir, I think you are mistaken…. NO ONE knows more about manufacturing than Elon Musk ….. no … one

This is most of the answer and also parsimonious, which is why they don’t use LiDAR.

Some, like structural adhesives that are similar to to what they use in building aircraft, can be.

I honestly have no idea what that could mean

It's still a cost and a step in manufacturing. There's a reason his cars had high profit margins, he delivered less to consumers than other manufacturers.

They knew about it, he just did short term profits cause that's all that mattered to his pay package at the time. Tesla is now paying the piper.

par·a·graph /ˈperəˌɡraf/ noun a distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering.

I've ridden in plenty of cars with comparable acceleration and they don't make me motion sick. It's their atrocious suspension and awful NVH, most likely.

Sweet. You picked the biggest turd that no one in their right mind would buy. How about the model 3 or y? Let’s not cherry pick here.

If I was going to drive Uber, the last thing I would want would be a vehicle that takes time to charge and has a relatively short range, and most definitely wouldn't want something with the sticker prices of a Tesla. I'd get a Camry, Accord or maybe some kind of economical crossover.

0-60 in 2.8 seconds for the performance, 4.0 for the long range. If that's what you're after there are several other cars on the market that offer similar numbers at similar prices.

I don't really like Tesla but the new model 3 is quieter than my rivian. They made a huge improvement

First thing my brother, who drove a Model 3 Performance, said was how quiet my R1S was.

Don't forget to mention the false range numbers.

This, 100%.  I bought a new Model S 100D in 2017, specifically for the long range claims.  The car listed 335 miles on the dashboard, but never went more than about 240 on a charge, even under perfect highway and weather conditions. Tesla is a giant mountain of lies upon lies.

Noise is bad but the ride is worse, compounded by marginal seats.

Musk - the king of the ill conceived shortcut.

No. But I believe what people are saying. The back has regular glass, not the double glass like the front.

Yep and they rattle like crazy. My 2007 Honda Element is quieter on the inside than my 2025 Model 3 was(got rid of it after 6 months). Holy shit the rattles in my Tesla were rage inducing. What a terrible car

This is why Tesla’s odometer records 30% more mileage than actually traveled. No one would have bought the car if they knew it has a 200 mile range.

Take the L and stop moving the goalposts.

Audi is really good with sound dampening of their cabins. I've had a number of VW's and Audi's over the years and one of the big differences between a VW and the Audi is how quiet the Audi cabins are. A lot of them are built on the same MQB chassis but Audi clearly gets more insulation installed in the build.

You decided on a Tesla in 2023? You deserve what you got and far worse. Jesus Christ. You and your Mrs didn't need a second car, you needed to go back to school to do some kids critical thinking classes.

Have a 25 MY and road noise is indeed an issue. Really have to crank radio to listen to sports/talk radio.

We purchased our EV (BMW i4) in 2023. The first requirement, not a Tesla. Elon has ALWAYS been a bad guy, goes back decades.

Yep, those are known problems. Tesla took out the analog rain sensors and uses ai and it's been awful for more than 5 years. They supposedly improved the sound deadening in their latest models. Also no one should use FSD unless they are watching it like their ex is driving and wants to kill you.

You asked for a Tesla, you got one. Don't be a snowflake.

I traded in my Model 3 two weeks ago (owned two Model 3's since 2020) to get a pre-owned Rivian. After getting used to a bigger vehicle in the city I don't regret it at all.

Suspension sucks ballz too.

Well if it did that it would be so damn bad

There’s no “L” here except for your reasoning ability.

Enjoy your ford lmao.

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I feel the same way about my Y that I hate but I bought mine and am stuck with it if I don't want to take a huge financial loss.

My 2019 Model S had the loudest cabin of any car I’ve ever driven but my 2026 is a major improvement. It’s quiet and the FSD works amazingly well.

Most Tesla owners don't notice the loudness because they don't have friends to talk to in the car.

Interior on the Rivian’s are better than any Tesla. I have an R1T, friends have a Model S, X, and just got a cyber fridge. The Rivian’s interior blows away any Tesla I’ve been in. Mines fairly quiet too, however my Land Rover LR4 is slightly quieter at higher speeds (slightly less wind noise)

NO! HANK! DON'T ABBREVIATE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE TO ICE!

Drove one of the first Model 3s for roughly three years. First year was fun but then in was visiting SC every other month for some stupid shit like you mentioned. Absolute dissapointment of a car. Got trashed and obliterated in an accident. Full insurance payout. Good riddance... i drive a BMW today. Best car I've owned

Elon has been pretty mask off about his abhorrent beliefs for a long time at this point. He used to have a PR firm who helped him maintain a "billionaire who is saving the world" narrative. But around the time of calling the diver who saved those kids a pedo, he fired his PR firm and has been coasting off the cult the PR built. It's been eroding since then, and he has lost a lot of mainstream support, but he still has his hardcore weird nerds who still believe he's the savior of all mankind.

I own a Solterra and measured the interior noise at 75mph as 64db.

My wife got a Mach E a few months ago. I was skeptical but it’s a really solid car for the price. An EV that comes with all the benefits of a legacy automaker (larger service economy, fit and finish, assembly etc). I’ve been pleastly surprised and pleased with it. You made a good purchase.

Tesla was just deemed worst quality among cars in Germany

A friend has the Tesla Y, and recently took a ride in my Hyundai Ioniq 5. He was VERY impressed with the smoother ride of the Ioniq, and with how quiet it is!

The majority of the noise is actually the road noise when at a fuel efficient cruise at around 30 mph or above. Pedestrians standing by the side of the road listening to cars going past at 30mph don't know whether it's an ev or not as the engine noise or lack there of isn't the major issue. This is why roadside environment impact assessments haven't made adjustments for ev's. They are considered just as noisy.  Only in situations where the engine is stressed (acceleration) or where there is insufficient road noise (low speeds) to mask the engine noise that an ev is actually quieter than an ICE car.

Yet they sell for premium car prices.

Wait...really?

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Crazy. There’s absolutely fuck all that the shitbox tesla has over the others. If you say software then I know you’re a culty because their software is garbage.

> Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally The biggest mistake they made with this was calling it a mustang. It looks like a crossover. Also, recent rumblings from Ford about discontinuing the F-150 Lightening is disconcerting.

The wipers are crazy when you consider this is the same guy who can send a rocket to the edge of space that will land itself...but autowipers? Can't figure those out after over a decade.

https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2026/#e-autos-tesla-model-y-mit-hoechster-maengelquote

Alot of the younger tech bros have never actually ridden in an old classic American sedan. They have no idea. Your typical full or medium sized American car in the 70's or 80's would whisk you along in silky smooth comfort and near silence. Some things have actually gone backwards and so many people don't even know.

Those would be the same cars that had visibility instead of pillars the size of a large tree trunk.

You: >Show me the stats that **a Tesla** is more dangerous than the Pinto.  (Added emphasis). They did, and you started squirming. That's a snowflake to me. You might have thought something else, but it's not what you wrote. Bye, get a sock puppet.

My wife’s Highlander is way louder than my Cybertruck.

You don’t state which model or year it was so I’ll just add my two cents.  Our 2021 was “quiet” in comparison to other cars (Mazda CX5 and 3) we had owned. However when the tires were ready to be replaced the noise was significantly worse.  The 2025 model 3 we now have is a huge departure. The car is quiet, and for us, the ride quality as well as noise is a massive improvement.  I’m willing to bet in that uber the driver needed some new tires. Or picked terrible tires.

“…. how can there be a cult around this junk brand”   ANSWER = PPS.  (Price Per Share)

It’s bad. Not as bad as it once was, but it’s not good. I have a 2023 model 3 and it used to furiously wipe any time it got direct sunlight. Why? Because Elon insisted on having cameras do *everythjng* rather than a 50c rain sensor in the windscreen.

We have a GMC Terrain and a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe. My wife and I disagree as to which is louder and more tolerable. In the Terrain, I hear deep rumbling through the bottom and every crack and tar strip "buh-bump" in the road. In the Wrangler, there's no road noise, but my wife doesn't like the noise of the sound on the 1-touch power top canvas roof. I much prefer the noise above than below, but it seems we're totally different.

How do you like the Mach-E? When I'm ready to get an EV, I'll be looking at it.

I sold my M3 and got a mach-e. it's crazy how much quieter this car is.

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Me and my wife have had Tesla's the last 3 years and are upgrading now to Juniper MY and Highland M3P! Couldn't be happier with the cars have had zero issues

Thanks for the clarification

Are they sniffing coke and twitting fascist shit every day? If not, then yeah, they are slightly better. Also you can also not use META shit and at least limit your Amazon purchases, so...there.

The pedo thing was really a turning point for me that the guy was definitely cray cray.

And the auto wipers in the R1S are A-1!

Driving the Model 3 for a week now, and the road noise at highway speeds is insane. It's so loud inside the car that anyone I call over Bluetooth can't hear me speak. In comparison, rented Polestar 2 and was surprised how super quite it was with premium interior feel.

lol, i remember was riding on the back seat on model 3 to airport and on one of the potholes I literary jumped out of the seat and hit the celling lol, no kidding :)

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What do you drive?

Nah, it’s not. Certainly not that much better than a Mach E. I have my issues with Tesla, but let’s not pretend that the Ford is an amazing vehicle.

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Cyber fridge 😂

I would say ICE are considerably more noisy for pedestrians. Travelling between Shenzhen (EV's >60%) to HK or Macau and walking along the streets, you notice a big difference.

There's some truth to that. I forgot to mention above I was talking about cars, not larger commercial vehicles. Large ICE vehicle with heavy loads will have much more engine noise. But generally a modern car at a cruise is only slightly above idle and therefore very quiet, easily masked by road noise at 30 mph.

You just finished telling me there was no nuance to fascism. So are we limiting Amazon purchases or avoiding them completely? Is a slightly better fascist not still a fascist? For the record I don't use Amazon but my earlier point still stands.

I agree 100% about the wipers. Mine have taken to turning on randomly on dry days and the last several days coming on every time I exit the garage. No precipitation anywhere in the area.

She chop the muffler off?

Type of tyres and ride height affects road noise a lot. Not only insulation

You forgot HW4 already “fixed everything”

Damn! I did forget that! You are right. HW3, and HW4 fixed it. And HW5 will fix it harder! Until HW6 really fixes it.

Why in the world would u buy a Model S before thr refresh? I have model 3 highland. And its basically perfect

I have noticed this about Teslas as well, my A6 e-tron is one of the quietest cars I’ve been in.

Why lie?

That was definitely the end of Elon's credibility for me too, but there was also an earlier event a couple years before where he gave a press conference about colonizing Mars to the International Astronautical Congress, and the Q&A audience were all weird Elon people who asked utterly bizarre questions (like someone asked if she could kiss him, another pitched a sitcom idea, etc.). When that happened, I wondered how and why that happened, and thought that a real professional would not have that kind of cult of personality around him. I have been going to scientific conferences (as a researcher) for years and never seen that kind of audience for Q&As, even around celebrity scientists, so that was the first time I noticed something was weird with Elon.

ha! I am sure it sounded crazy at the time...if only we knew...

Bye

🥱

What an absolutely bizarre post. Tesla is the number one selling EV outside of China for a reason. Millions of owners love them, and all the data shows you’re objectively in a tiny minority of people who genuinely hate the car. If that makes you feel special, cool, but it’s like bragging that you don’t miss ice cream, chocolate, sunshine, or cocktails on the beach. And then calling a Mach E Rally some kind of escape hatch just makes it funnier. You ditched the most efficient, best charging, most reliable EV drivetrain on the market for something slower, heavier, shorter range, and less efficient. Ford’s charging speeds are slower, the network is smaller and less reliable, and Mach E route planning still struggles with elevation, weather, and charger congestion. Tesla solved those problems a decade ago. If you personally prefer a heavier, slower EV with weaker charging and higher energy cost per mile, fine. Enjoy it. But acting like dumping the market leader for an objectively inferior platform is some triumphant moment is just weird.

It seems like this would be super easy to prove true but I hadn't heard about this until now.

The newer ones are significantly better across the board, there were some nice improvements released in 2023/24 and with the new refreshes. Wipers are still garbage, and I hate the newer softer suspensions but they are great dailies despite being otherwise shitty cars. I’ve driven everything from modded civics to newer Cs, GLEs, Porsches, and they’re much better in many ways but not for convenience. Newer Teslas are fine, especially if you have a more fun weekend car

FSD is amazing, even in my 2020 model x hw3. I'm fine with some Tesla bashing but this post is a bit much

You haven't heard about it because it isn't true. Tesla's odometers are as accurate as anyone's.

That's on the driver. It is perfectly possible, and not difficult at all to drive a Tesla smoothly.

Strange considering I have had none of these problems on a 2021. Must have been unlucky or you got a old model

Well, in 20 years, cars wont have steering wheels and most people will be using FSD.

Sounds like OP has no problem with Musk unfortunately. Just a problem with his experience with the car itself.

The Rivian floats too. Which I think is cool. lol

I test drove a few different model years before I got one. The older 3/y's road noise is significant but I was upgrading from a 2004 which in comparison was whisper quiet. The newer 3/y was an equivalent upgrade from the older variants.

No, they’re not.

Do you have any proof?

You’re just mad you drive a 20 year old Saab. I think I’d be sour too, they weren’t good cars..

How do you like the sierra ev? I designed that one

Ikr?

It’s just like two guys that hate Tesla, clearly. I think from their posts they drive the Ford ev. Like it’s a competition. Stupid.

My 24 model y is quiet and has no probs. Never hear about the hundreds of thousands of good ones, just the dozen bad ones and trolls..

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We live in AZ. I’ve had an M3P for 2 years. I tested FSD for 2 weeks last year, & found it to be super dangerous. I’ve only ever had to use the windshield wipers a handful of times & found them to be great. Road noise, particularly on poor road surfaces is horrific. Impossible to have a conversation. Reliability (& performance) is the best of any car I have ever owned. Insurance is 50% higher than my old F-150, which I miss. So, a mixed bag from me, but I don’t miss paying CA prices for Phoenix gas. Apparently much of our gas comes from CA refineries & it’s only going to get worse until we can build a proposed second pipeline from TX, due to be completed in 2028, I think. We charge both of our Teslas at night at home for a fraction of supercharging prices. If I lived in an apartment I would own an ICE hybrid.

There are a TON of uber drivers using Teslas…more than ever these days, because Tesla M3 is the lowest cost to operate. That said, the trend wont hold because many people, including myself, are refusing rides if the car is a Tesla due to the horrible back seat experience.

TesLosers

Your story is exactly like mine. I bought a 2021 brand new, drove it for 11 months and sold it to a dealership. I actually made money because that is when Tesla prices were soaring. My wife has a Highlander hybrid at the same price point the 3 was. I would get into her car and be mad at the Tesla for the lack of features. Besides the squeaky trim pieces and windshield wipers, my biggest frustration was no garage door opener integrated into the car. How is that possible?

My 2019 Model X recently has been more “creaky” and I seem to not be able to find the source of the noise but I totally understand the noise. Love my car and probably will still always have a Tesla but I do get how everyone’s experience is different.

yep. white supremacy not a deal breaker.

This is all BS. I’m on my 2nd M3 (a 2024 Highland (after a 2021) Long Range and love it. FSD is amazing (driving 200 miles round trip every other week and hardly touch the steering wheel or pedals the entire time driveway to driveway. Road-noise is non existent and range is over 300 miles when fully charged. WTF are all these “people” talking about about. Feels like BOTS trying to hard Tesla.

So let’s normalize fascist CEOs?

Back in the days o bought Skoda Superb 3 and my mate bought Tesla Y. I was like "Wow what a car and i have to drive this bullshit petrol wreck." Until he took me on a ride with relatively new Tesla and i was in awe how badly the interior was made.

Agree with you

Better than a nazi shitbox 🤷🏻‍♂️

The problem with tesla is not the power train. It's how everything else feels shit as stated by OP Being popular doesn't make it good lol.

I had a 13 YO Accord and it was loud as hell until I got into my boss's Model X. I dont need a second thought on Tesla because I hate road noise. I know my next will be a Lexus

Many people get car sick in EV car.

That’s not possible… if Elon can’t master wipers, no one can. /s

Sure?!? I believe cars older than 20 years are still on the road… I still see my 1999 Camry model all over town

I bought the car in August of 2017.  At that point, there were other models in the pipeline, but the company already had a reputation for dubious timelines.  Who knew when the Model 3 would actually release. On top of that, the 100D promised 335 miles of range and “Autopilot”, which were the two main draws. I enjoyed the car for a while, and proudly showed it to friends and family.  I drove it around 90,000 miles between 2017 and the end of 2023.  In that final year I owned it, a huge fault in the Autopilot system nearly killed my son and me on an icy road outside of Portland. I was very glad to be rid of the car and its awful legacy at that point.  I replaced it with a 2024 Mercedes AMG 580 EQS+, and never looked back.

Even if we disagree on the aesthetics of cars, I hope we can agree that there should be no tolerance for the mathematically literate who make public irrational and emotional proclamations based on a statistical sample size of one. Similarly, objective data can be collected as to failure rates, and some designs are provably better than others. Manufacturing defects exist in every brand, including Tesla. Judging the entire product line (or the company) based on a single bad unit is statistically invalid. Maybe the OP got a lemon. Maybe (more likely) the OP hates Elon Musk and is therefore crapping on Tesla for social or political reasons. Context matters. Tesla delivered 1.81 million vehicles in 2023 and 1.79 million in 2024. The Model Y was the world's best-selling vehicle in 2023, regardless of powertrain or fuel type. Best. Selling. Car. In. The. World. For drivers who prefer physical buttons, stalks, and traditional luxury materials, other brands will feel more familiar. But on objective metrics that directly affect usage and ownership (energy efficiency, performance, charging infrastructure, software capability, and driver-assistance technology), Tesla remains multiple years ahead of the competition. I've been an EV fanatic since the 1980s and test-drive the latest offerings from Nissan, GM, Ford, Rivian, Lucid, Polestar, Hyundai, VW, and others whenever possible at expos and demos. I was even able to test drive GMs EV 1 fka the "Impact" back in the 1990s. For the OP to claim the Ford Mach E is superior in engineering to the Tesla Model 3 is patently absurd. Even Ford admits they blew it in the design. The wiring and cooling system alone are needlessly heavy and overly complex, subject to failure. The Ford Lightning truck similarly needed a major redesign, and Ford conceded that too.

The main point of the post is about the poor soundproofing, assembly quality and shit like that This is objectively true. Again. The post is not about the power train. It's about how it feels to drive a tesla. It's not a good feeling even if the engineering behind the power train is great, the car itself feels kinda ass.

“the car itself feels kinda ass” Nothing conveys “I’m arguing based on vague, emotional, and irrational feelings, to the intentional exclusion of millions of data points” quite like that line. Honestly, it's a beautiful reveal. It's *possible* you and the OP are more perceptive than the millions of people who've purchased Model 3s and Model Ys or-- more importantly-- the hundreds of thousands of people who owned a Model 3, liked it, and bought *another* (or the refreshed models). Possible. Not *probable*.

You could have just replaced the wipers for $20?

I was just talking to my family who hadn't seen my Mach-E about how bad it was to own a Tesla, especially trying to drive the Model 3 in the rain. It just made driving feel like a stressful situation: FSD especially included. I definitely enjoy my Mach-E better. It's not perfect, I especially wish charging infrastructure was still a bit better for traveling long distance, but it's so much better than the Model 3.

The Toyota RAV4 is also a top selling vehicle. It doesn't mean it's a good vehicle to drive. It's reliable, sure. But it feels incredibly shitty to drive. Still it SELLS WELL. You're mixing things up like blind brand loyalty and many other things. The cheap materials inside the cabin, the cheap shitty buttons on the steering wheel. The poor soundproofing, the ricketting etc Maybe you should use google and see those issues are real and even through the comments on this very thread. Not my probkem Edit: the idiot blocked me.

Sell it to a MAGA.

What year model 3 did you drive? Latest model is supposed to be much quieter.

The newest Model 3 and Y have double pane glass on every window.

Have you watched a recent FSD video? The improvements in the past year have been immense. HW4 Teslas can now drive people for hours without a single intervention needed. It’s still not perfect, but it’s far beyond any other self driving car in the world right now, and it gets better every month.

Same here. Taking a ride in someone else’s Tesla was shocking to moe how bad the experience is.

The more you attempt to argue, the more you illustrate the gap between emotional subjectivity and measurable facts. It is also important to acknowledge the context. This entire subreddit defines itself around a shared hatred of Elon Musk, which naturally attracts people who already hold extremely negative views toward Tesla. Communities built on shared hate are a common part of the modern Internet, but even strong bias *should* yield to data when the data is clear. You are attempting to build a case that Teslas are “shitty” while relying entirely on subjective personal preferences rather than evidence from millions of owners and, in many cases, independent scientific measurements. First, pretending that popularity has no relationship to owner satisfaction in a global free market with hundreds of competing models is not credible. Buyers are not being secretly coerced or limited in their choices. They are choosing the Model 3 and Model Y in massive numbers. The Model Y was the top selling car in the world in 2023, across all powertrains. Second, calling the Mach E the “better car” is contradicted by every major dataset. If the Mach E sold anywhere near Tesla’s volumes, you would see the same pattern across hundreds of thousands of data points. Ford has not reached that scale. In fact, during Q2 2025 Ford’s EV deliveries across all models dropped 31.4 percent year over year, with only 16,438 units delivered in the United States. That makes broad comparisons difficult because the sample size is small and shrinking. Third, your claim about “brand loyalty” appeared only from you. People remain loyal to brands when the products meet their expectations. If your criticisms were accurate, hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners would not have upgraded from the Model 3 to the Model Y or to refreshed versions of either. They would have shifted to one of many competing EV brands. Fourth, your crude “shitty buttons” argument is not supported by engineering evidence. Sandy Munro’s teardowns show that the polymers, components, and structural design decisions inside Tesla cabins are on par with, or superior to, competitors in the same price category. Engineers spend months refining something as simple as steering wheel controls. Calling them “cheap” or “shitty” is not an objective assessment. It reflects a preference for traditional knobs, levers, and stalks. Preferring older controls is entirely valid, but preference is not the same thing as superiority. Your noise claim also fails under objective measurement. Independent instrumented tests put the Mach E at roughly 68 dBA at 70 mph and the Model 3 at roughly 70 dBA, well within the normal range of variation caused by pavement and tire choice. The Highland Model 3 with double pane glass narrows the gap further or reverses it, making the Tesla objectively quieter in many tested conditions. Finally, Ford has publicly acknowledged that both the Mach E and the Lightning require substantial redesigns due to early engineering compromises. That information comes directly from Ford, not from Tesla owners. By every measurable standard, the Model 3 and Model Y outperform the Ford Mach E in engineering, refinement, and reliability. None of that prevents anyone from choosing a different car for emotional or subjective reasons. The heart wants what the heart wants, and some people will choose a car based on the size and placement of cup holders alone. However, people should refrain from turning biased, personal preferences into false claims about things like sales numbers, acceleration, torque, horsepower, decibel measurements, charging speed, reliability, or overall quality when those claims do not align with the actual data.

Really unfair comparison. The Highlander is a full-size SUV that sells for double the price of the model3. Even the Rav4 is not a good comparison as it's not in the same tier but the RAV4 is known to be very loud especially the ICE version and lower trims. Sound deadening in vehicles is a luxury feature reserved for higher trim or expensive vehicles and I think we all know the model3 is the budget tesla.

I already knew he was a bond villian but yeah, inserting himself into something that had nothing to do with energy, cars, space, or internet was ridiculous. He had it in his head his team could do everything better and faster with technology than anyone else.

It’s basically a different car. Its crazy

Sure, but I don’t get sick in my non-Tesla EV.

My neighbor used to work at Tesla. Hes an engineer, so he was a supervisor type. He said the competition within the company is crazy, supervisors "fighting"other supervisors to get parts to their little unit before the other units. Apparently, workers are not allowed to put their hands in their pockets to stay warm, so he was a supervisor who provided handwarners to get his team to get them work better. When I asked him if he would ever drive a Tesla, he said "NO WAY! I know how they are made!"

I can't imagine why you liked the tech. 2 1/2 years ago, I test drove a bunch of EVs. First one was a Tesla. There are almost no buttons. How would you safely do any of the things you do while driving, while making sure to keep your eyes on the road 100% of the time and both hands on the steering wheel most of the time? They mainly just have a touchscreen because that **saves them money**. It gives ZERO benefit to the driver. I ended up with a 2020 Nissan Leaf and it's the best car I've ever owned in almost every way. (My main grip is big pillars blocking my view, but that's the case in every modern car for "safety" reasons.) The Leaf accelerates like a bat out of hell. I have it on eco mode and it still accelerates like a bat out of hell. (Most people, even if they had such great acceleration would still not be past 45 mph upon entering the freeway - I'm convinced of it.) One of the things that I found that I LOVED, and assumed (apparently incorrectly) was true of all EVs, was how relaxing driving it was, because there is no engine noise or vibration. It's not silent, but it's so quiet by comparison that I hear things I've never heard before in music I'm listening to. (And the lack of vibration makes me very happy, since vibration on my hands - such as when driving a car or operating a lawn mower - drives me insane.)

mach e is such a shitty car - enjoy ..

LOL, get the ford and update us

Road noise is imperceptible in the refresh model 3 (even up to 96mph). The wipers still suck. Idk what about FSD is scary exactly but HW4 is certainly better than HW3, but overall it still feels like my idiot son (that I don't have) is driving and I need to take over. Yes I'm slightly embarrassed by FSDs maneuvers and I do sometimes take over but it's pretty solid for now 90% of my drive. I don't think I could ever lose navigate on autopilot with lane changes, specifically. The Hyundai Kia system is nice (we have both cars in our household) but FSD is much much much better. Ofc I wish the car had real precision sensors like radar/lidar, sonar, and the rain sensor, but it's still better for me than any vehicle in existence in the US (in that price point, I'd love to have that electric rolls 😭). Definitely test drive the mach e if you haven't, because I've found most vehicles to be disappointing since our family's first Tesla 13 years and extremely disappointing considering my new refreshed Tesla. I guess what I'm saying is that I prefer the sniggles of my refresh model 3 over my partners ioniq 6, he does too. My mom prefers the ioniq 6 to my Tesla but prefers our old Tesla ultimately (model S p85d). It's just a preference thing. I actually prefer the way the ioniq 6 handles on highways but I enjoy driving my Tesla more because it has better speakers (probably my number 2 most important car feature) and I can reliably use the ADAS. The Hyundai ADAS is hit or miss (and I'm only talking about highways here). The model 3 is fun to drive as well, and the only road noise I experience is my roof rack whistling around 65mph 🤷🏾‍♂️ The model 3 is no S class for sure, but the new one definitely is better than the big 3 German mid levels, certainly better than their entry levels. Overall I feel like the options for good vehicles have dwindled and Tesla is another mediocre (but novel) option. Also I truly despise SUVs/crossovers so that also puts me in a minority with few options. Imo: the only Teslas worth buying before the value (3Y) refresh were the model S and X, fully upgraded. The model 3 and y were for cash flow and people who bought them 100% got got, unfortunately (and it's Teslas fault ofc for mismarketing). The refresh model 3 feels like their first close to quality mass market vehicle... And it's still not 800v and the FSD computer is slower than my GPU...

Well the rivians are actually built like luxury vehicles with nice heavy real materials. Their weight and efficiency demonstrates that. The R1 feels beautiful in a way a Tesla could literally never.

Probably just the brand allure like how iPhones are popular in China too

It's probably the acceleration. It's common in all powerful RWD vehicles but with an electric it becomes far more noticeable. Also bad drivers

Well they did figure it out, Tesla just decided that the $2 for an IR sensor, lens, and microcontroller was too costly for a $45k vehicle. The biggest scam Tesla ever sold was that their technology is novel. It WAS novel at a time, but they mostly just assembled existing parts in a new way. They made headway with economies of scale and production improvement but that was mostly Panasonics effort and Tesla further squandered the technology lead they had. So just to clear, the cars not having good auto wipers is an explicit choice, not a matter of "figuring it out yet." It's been figured and decided years ago. Unless the company gets new leadership, the cars will continue to have nonsense limitations like the omissions of a rain sensor, sonar, and radar.

Nope. Teslas even lie about how for they've travelled, unlike every other car in existence.

Most likely, but if they're using all teslas version, that's even more terrifying than letting humans continue to drive.

Coming from ICE performance BMWs and Audis I have exactly the opposite experience with my 2025 MP3. Its significantly quieter and the build quality is almost on par.

The piper being Elmo?

Elon bad. Tesla bad. Trump bad. Grunts and scratches butt… sniffs fingers

Amen. Have had mine for 2 months. I like the speed. Other than that, there’s nothing special about it, at all.

Same experience took an Uber on a business trip, the driver steering wheel leather was coming apart, I saw trim coming apart, noise was so bad. I thought maybe the car had run flats because I felt every bump, I Googled it and they don't have run flats, wheels are too big so it doesn't suck up any vibration.

I will never understand people who say, "I love tbe technology". It is a car with a touchscreen and no gauges on the dash, what technology?

Maybe people like having to use a touchscreen to open the glovebox, I don’t know.

I would hope so for how much it cost

Rivian’s starting price is cheaper than a Model S or X. Probably a cyber fridge too, but I don’t know what those are selling for these days.

True but OP was talking about a M3. Although I have a MY juniper and have driven an X with both having very low road noise. I think cyber truck is 77k

Fair enough.

I have 2 model y's a 21 & 23 I have no complaints very happy but my 21 all the cameras quit working and they fixed it 2 years ago at the service department and gave me a loaner for 2 days a chip went bad the mother board

Jim Farley, CEO of Ford said the Mach E had a mile more copper wire than the Tesla. No wonder they lose money on every one of sold. Are you going back to ICE? Best of luck to you! My M3 gets great mileage, wife’s MY is a pig! Never take it on roadtrips!

That's definitely futuristic, if the future is idiocracy

I honestly thought I was the only one that owned a Tesla and didn’t really like it. I have had my model 3 for a month and I’m already looking to get rid of it. Didn’t realise for a minute how stiff the M3 rides. Granted my back gets irritated from time to time but since owning the Tesla it’s permanently sore. I can feel all the Road imperfections on this thing and I think this is what causes the road noise as well. I purposefully went out in my wife’s 2017 Audi A1 S Line which is known to be stiff on the suspension as well but even that felt immediately better. The other complaint of mine is that visibility is really poor out of the back. Yes it has cameras but having all round visibility gives me more confidence as a driver. Even thought the Tesla model 3 is a fast car I find myself driving really slow most of the time just to have some sort of comfort. It’s gotta go once a I find a suitable replacement.

Highlanders are solid vehicles.

Autobody tech here, every time i have a tesla to work on, it kinda pisses me off that you can't have a button to power up/down the vehicle. Totally stupid to just sit down and put it in gear. I will never understand how these cars make it past basic functionality testing

I have a 2025 Model 3 Highland and love it, road noise hasn’t been an issue. Only complaints I have are: - why tf are the auto wipers useless - why does America get so much more stuff than we get in the UK, e.g grok, ability to pay monthly for features like summon, auto park etc. In terms of driving it, i love it. It’s my 2nd EV (had a 2024 Peugeot E-308 GT on lease that I returned less than a year in, thing had a nuts amount of electrical problems). I don’t really understand the hate, it’s not like the wipers can’t be manually set on the steering wheel? It drives smooth, has great acceleration (even on the RWD which I have).

Why buy a Tesla in 2025. Is it the Nazi thing, the Trump support. Could it be the outright racism or not taking care of his children. I do not see the attraction but I am against those that do these things.

What is good about them?

How to say I love a Nazi.

I’m not a fanboy of Tesla but I love mine. I drove the Mach e also and that was a lot of fun! Best of luck going forward and I hope it treats you and your family well!! I just drive like a maniac and the performance Y matches me fairly well haha

I have a M3P and I have a co-worker as well as a good friend who both have Ioniq 5’s. The Ioniq is a nice driving car, but I personally do not like the body style. I will be in the market for a new EV in about 2 years (I have to keep my car under 7 years old for work purposes). I will see what’s out at the time, but I am anticipating either another Tesla or Audi e-Tron.

My 2023 model three performance is perfect….tracks in the middle HW3 works almost flawlessly at least 90% and I hear all these awful things and mine is quiet. No rattles drives like a dream. I can’t wait to get in and drive it every day! The trim and everything inside is totally flawless. I just turned 23,000 miles on it.

Basically the road noise you are hearing is what you don’t hear because of the engine noise in a combustible engine. I despise Musk but what you pay for a Tesla 3 is a third of these other cars. No need to make atuff up because you hate Musk and his bullshit. When I first was playing music in the Tesla I was amazed with the sound quality. When I road in a friend’s Mustang he had to crank up the music because the engine was so loud. I realized it was not an incredible sound system but a lack of interference.

The fact you're comparing a gas burning Mustang (which are designed to be loud from factory befitting of a muscle/sports car) to an EV is disingenuous at best, deliberately misleading more than likely. Also you proven that you haven't rode in or driven any other EVs then. I did; Mach-E, Lyriq, i4, EQE, Taycan, I-Pace...every EV on sale today is more quiet than these tin can Teslas.

Manufacturing *lies*

Wo?

They are accurate in terms of recording cardinal mileage travelled. The fuckery occurs with range estimation. In 90,000 or so miles of driving my old 2017 Model S 100D, the car would display 310-320 miles of range on a full charge. I’d depart for a road trip, and watch it click off a mile of range for about every mile traveled, until the battery was around half empty. Then things would change. For the next 25% of the battery, I’d get around a 1:2 correlation between miles traveled and miles of remaining range consumed. For the last 25% of the battery, this ratio would become 1:3. This happened consistently, in the best possible travel conditions of a low wind, high temperature day. It got substantially worse the lower the temperature, and I never covered more than around 240 miles on a full charge. I was unsurprised to learn a few years ago that a massive class action had begun in California over lies of max range in Tesla vehicles. If you were a car company struggling to earn a profit, it would be exceedingly easy to shave substantial construction costs off your vehicles by lying about their range with software and skimping on battery pack quality and density. My car’s documentation may have claimed it had a 100KHW battery, but maybe it was just 80KWH under the hood. By contrast, I switched to a Mercedes AMG EQS 580 EV in early 2024. That car generally estimates its range around 290-310 miles, and if anything, it underestimates how far it can go. I have completed a 300 mile trip from Seattle to Eugene several times on a single charge, even running the air conditioning or heating along the way.

Somewhat similar to us, but you just must have tecieved a poorly built one. We bought ours a little over 2 years ago, brand new Modle 3 RWB. My wife and I work at the same video game developer, and they offer free 24/7 charging at our office thats 9 munutes from home. We share the car because she car pools with me 3 days a week, and then works from home the other two. We havent had a single issue. We constantly rave to people about how quiet the car is at full speed on the highway. We can literally whisper to eachother its so quiet. Our ild cars were a bit older, falling apart, one easnt even safe to drive in the highway, so that was a huge selling point to us. We have had zero issues, noises, and have only had to air up the tires and too of wiper fluid in those 2+ years. Musk is a effing nut job, but the car has been perfect for us.

Woho

Wo = where in Germany did they claim this? I thought you were German

Cheap tyres almost certainly

[https://www.handelsblatt.com/mobilitaet/ratgeber-service/tuev-report-2026-mehr-als-jedes-fuenfte-auto-faellt-durch/100176882.html](https://www.handelsblatt.com/mobilitaet/ratgeber-service/tuev-report-2026-mehr-als-jedes-fuenfte-auto-faellt-durch/100176882.html)

You'll be back

Holy shit, someone paid money for an EQS?

Tesla makes great EVs but shit cars.

Mach-E … dude …

The model y juniper is legit made of better materials bud with less creaks and rattles😭

The model y juniper is one of the quietest cars in the 50k price range btw

Drive in a juniper

What should people know when buying a model y juniper with one of the quietest interiors in the price range, no plastics visible in the interior, amazing ride quality, fast car, and features that only 100k+ cars get?

Try a juniper then

Not true in the newest model y , no creeks, no rattles, no road noise. The model y before is fucking ass and I had it:

What’s a better built car for 50 grand lmao? Like are you joking the model y juniper is one of the highest quality cars rn saying every car brand is going cheap and plastic focused compared to Tesla going from cheap plastics to premium fabrics and leatherette around the entire interior

Try a juniper and you will think differently trust

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What cars? Because I could agree with older cars just purely because back then companies cared but I feel Tesla is leading the high quality car market purely from not cheaping out on materials and replacing it with plastics like every other brand today

You don’t think people test drive multiple cars before buying a car? Are you retarded bud?

I'm a car guy, have owned way too many cars. Tesla is the best daily driver by far. You just said it yourself, it's not about the car, you just don't like Elon 🤣

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I have a tesla MY, I know the model 3 sucks. But yeah I enjoy driving mine, FSD is quite not there yet lol but it's fun to drive without torque

Good riddance :)) enjoy your ford,better not use the tesla superchargers

Have you owned a Tesla to say that? Because I've owned 3 now and I've had no issues with ride quality or rattling..... That's what I hear most people who have never ridden in one say...

It’s just bc Tesla is such a big and controversial brand meaning a couple of videos make that brand seem bad but after saying that I can find hundreds of even thousands of videos and reports of creaky rattles in every car brand on this planet too so It’s not just Tesla, it’s more that everyone hyper fixates on Tesla

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You can clearly look at my profile. I have a model Y juniper lol

I have owned Porsche’s, BMW’s, Lexus’s over the years and now I love driving an all electric vehicle,especially my Tesla. It has nothing remotely to do with being an a cult. Elon went over the edge due to a social media obsession. Personally I have never had a mechanical problem in 7 years of owning a Tesla. Zero maintenance has been a game changer. You call that a cult????

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I got the car because I wanted another EV and it’s one of the best bang for buck EVs you can get here in the UK. Calling someone a Nazi for the car they drive is pretty idiotic ngl. Is every Mercedes driver a Nazi because Hitler used them?

It’s wild to me that you automatically assume that when you know nothing about me. I drive long distances and the 400 mile range clinched the deal. When I first bought the car there was nothing that came close. I research everything. It’s wild to me that you can’t accept that I’m happy with my purchase

If it 1940, it is 2025.

Test drove a model X not too long ago and it was actually pretty nice besides the price tag… riding in a model 3 makes me almost feel sick, it’s terrible.

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As I said, you know nothing about me. You’re reaction is bizarre

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I think the noise really depends on the model if my model y is pretty quiet

Interesting, thanks for the info. Sorry about your friend situation.

The story is the same everywhere: once the novelty fades, owners start noticing Tesla’s real weakness, build quality. The product relies on hype and software promises to offset manufacturing shortcuts. That works for early adopters, not for the mainstream market.

Lmao the posts on this sub are soooo damn TDS powered 😂

Got one of the first M3’s. Just rolled through 80,000 miles on the ODO. Several cross-country and multi-state trips under my belt and the only problem I’ve ever had was a window sensor that went bad. They sent someone to my home free of charge to replace it. Not as quiet as the Camry it replaced, but not noisy. No tune-ups, no oil changes, no maintenance costs of any kind, and fuel cost approximately equivalent to 100 mpg at $3 a gallon. Except for the fact that the CEO has lost his mind, and the crappy auto-wipers, it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Fast, cheap to drive, and superb handling.

Mach E has all sorts of recalls

My Juniper Y is incredibly quiet, no squeaks or rattles, so smooth. Fantastic car, like a vault on wheels with incredible acceleration.

What’s crazy is, I’ve owned my car for multiple years, I spend money on name brand tires, rotate them frequently, and surprisingly have never had a single issue you described besides the creaky interior on cold days until the car warms up. Typically of any car of this price range 20-30k.

Serves you right for buying a car made by one of the worst people ever to have lived 🤷‍♂️

Elon would remove the wipers and use lasers to burn away the rain. 🤪

Lol Anti Tesla bait post

The new FSD is scary in a good way. It drives better than most people I know. Used it 100% from ATL to DAL and back over thanksgiving.

Interesting. I've been driving my 2021 Model 3 for almost 3 years and couldn't be happier. I've been looking to see what the competition has to offer but they all seem like a downgrade to me. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, I just haven't seen another EV that matches in features. I know many other cars which are more comfortable but the Model 3 is not a luxury car and honestly not a priority for me. My Model 3 is quieter than any other vehicle I've owned (all my previous cars have been Toyota from Avalon to Corolla to Prius). No car is perfect and neither is Tesla, but for me it's the best car I've owned.

I judge ride noise in decibels, not in how apparent it is because the engine noise is not there in an EV. I feel that most people make that mistake. In most gas vehicles you have to turn up the radio volume when you take the highway and speed up. I have no need to do that in my Model 3. That tells you the noise is not bad.

I thought the same thing about the road noise, but the refresh is so much different and so much nicer. Full self driving is also unbeatable so much safer on HW4

I got an i5 four months ago when they were $499/month. Crazy deal. Love this car. Cheaper than the 528 I leased 12 years ago. No issues at all.

Trust me hardware 4 is better than

Agreed. Teslas have gotten better. Even the 2020-2023 were not great.

The Highland and Juniper Model 3 and Model Y upgrades have completely fixed all the issues you mentioned. My 2025 Model 3 drove me all the way from Minnesota to Texas to Phoenix with virtually zero safety interventions. It was absolutely flawless and genuinely blew my mind. I would really suggest test driving one of the newer Teslas. I am confident you will change your mind. The suspension is incredibly comfortable, and the double glazing all around the car significantly reduces wind noise and makes the cabin impressively quiet. In my opinion, it is easily the best car in its class with no real competition. With how good FSD is right now, that alone makes it an incredible buy. To be honest, I am also very happy that a lot of people like you exist, or else Teslas would probably cost double.

Good for you OP

I have a 3, shopping around for an electric GV70. Made me realize how loud my 3 is. Maybe an unfair comparison, but still.

Jeez guys, it's like we're driving different cars. '22 Model Y Performance. The last time I was at the dealership for anything was the day I took delivery of it, 42,000 miles ago. The car is tight and right, not a rattle to be heard. Road noise is minimal. Reliability is the best of any vehicle I've ever owned. I'm saving thousands of dollars a year on gas, and it's a blast to drive it!

Mercedes still supplied Hitler, the leader of the Nazi party, with cars. I assume you’re one of those typical morons that loves to bash cars they can’t afford.

You're comparing a highlander to one of the cheapest mainstream EV models and by far the cheapest Tesla model. You might as well compare a MacBook Pro to $299 Dell Best buy doorbuster and blame the Dell for being underwhelming. Apples and oranges.

My old ford fusion hybrid would beg to differ. Dude was q-u-i-e-t.

They're talking about a new smaller from the ground up EV truck. I imagine they're planning to launch it the next time Democrats are back in office and pass yet another EV subsidy. \_\_\_ Wouldn't it be great if US politicians actually had the nerve to do what's needed for the environment, and passed carbon taxes on all fossil fuels and greenhouse gas sources (maybe on carbon sink destruction as well) as the main mechanism for getting people to transition to greener methods of travel (all greener methods of travel), instead of this continuous back and forth with massive subsidies to auto companies? (Especially Tesla)

But are you talking about the new models of model 3 and y? I did some test drives and they don't seem noisy at all

I don't believe it's real at this point. I think these are just some paid shills that spread this bs on twitter/youtube etc.

Teslas are such trash. Everything on them is held on by glue......fucking glue.

What’s wrong with the wipers?

or use Optimus Robots to gently wipe it clean every time.

Yes, but just the arm.

No, the full thing. He has to do it to show people how useful they are. It could run alongside the vehicle.

>a deal on a Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally popped up, and I picked it up yesterday. Many Tesla's are indeed poorly built, but congratulations on getting a shit box! Ford Mach-E, lol :) There is a reason why Ford is taking an 18 billion write-off and moving away from EV production. Those Ford EVs are absolute garbage.

I’d think that the robot arm by itself would be encouraging enough. I mean if it’s that good at wiping a window then imagine how good the rest of the robot would be cleaning a toilet! (Humor intended, subtle).

How much were your early termination fees? I’m in a similar situation

Sorry for the late reply. It was the remaining lease payments plus a $395 fee plus tax on the fee ($25ish).