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TSLA Terathread - For the week of Nov 17

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Original Terathread returns!

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ShotBandicoot7 2025-11-17 10:22

Any shenanigans expected this week from TSLA? It‘s memeing heavily since Friday.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-17 10:26

Good morning here is the link to last week's Terathread. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1ot9wa2/tsla_terathread_for_the_week_of_nov_10/

RipWhenDamageTaken 2025-11-17 10:43

There are a few catalysts this week that can lead to a crash: - Epstein files getting released, damaging Trump. - liquidity crisis potentially getting worse. Google “NY Fed emergency meeting liquidity crisis”. There is a lot of leverage in TSLA. Any deleveraging can result in a big drop - economic data that would decrease the chance of a Fed interest rate cut. Currently, the next cut is already priced in

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 11:26

Elmos $1bn share purchase is going to be negative soon.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 11:28

I don't feel a crash is coming, just a slow slide for some companies until they have a reasonable P/E.

ShotBandicoot7 2025-11-17 11:31

I wonder if he pumped the shit out of TSLA when it dropped below his 1b entry. I could imagine he rallied some options algos by just pumping it to trend reverse and then let the HF and MM algos pump up. But I have no proof to back my conspiracies haha.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 13:06

There has been a link to bitcoin for a few months now, I don't know if he was pumping one then the other, but bitcoin falling, and his failed Shareholders speech have hurt the price.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-17 13:58

Lets start the week off right with some Elonversaries. Nov 17, 2016: *"It’s looking quite promising that a* ***solar roof actually cost less than normal roof*** *before you even take the value of electricity into account."* \- that wasn't an obvious lie, just Puffery. Nov 17, 2020: *"Yeah, looks like marginal* ***cost*** *of launch will be less than* ***$1M*** *for more than* ***100 tons to orbit****, so it’s mostly about fixed costs divided by launches per year"* \- I have no idea about the cost, but I chuckle that Branch Elonians still think the Tin Turkey is gonna lift 100 tons to space...hell, not just in one launch, I'd wager cumulative cargo over the entire program won't reach that. What are they up to - one banana? Nov 17, 2021: *"SpaceX’s Elon Musk said today he is planning at least a* ***dozen Starship launches in 2022****...Renowned for his view that humanity must become a multi-planet species to survive and begin sending millions of people to Mars this decade, his timetable for that was more reserved this time though his conviction remains fervent...Musk’s timetable for Starship flights was the big news from the event."* \- Narrator - there were zero Starship launch attempts in 2022. And one I missed yesterday: Nov 16, 2022: *"I expect to* ***reduce my time at Twitter*** *and find somebody else to run Twitter over time"*

dtyamada 2025-11-17 14:34

>I expect to reduce my time at Twitter It does seem like he has reduced his time AT twitter. He never said anything about his time ON it.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-17 14:56

As a follow up: "Hey Grok, what mass of cargo has Starship launched into orbit so far?" >As of November 17, 2025, Starship has not yet achieved a successful orbital insertion or deployed any cargo (or payloads) into a stable Earth orbit. "Hey Grok, how much money has NASA paid for the Starship program so far?" >NASA has paid a portion of the total awarded amounts, estimated at $1.5–2 billion across all Starship-related contracts. So right now, we're at the "divide by zero" phase of calculating costs.

YamatoRyu2006 2025-11-17 15:56

Too bad, its now X. So he did actually "reduce time at twitter" by renaming it to a fucking "X". He never once mentioned about "reducing time at X"-> Elon logic.

YamatoRyu2006 2025-11-17 15:56

I feel like we are already living deep inside an AI bubble and a BIG CRASH...... IS ABOUT TO COME WITHIN A FEW YEARS.................................

Zorkmid123 2025-11-17 16:01

$tsla up 2.8% on news his friend Peter Thiel sold 76% of his Tesla shares.

dtyamada 2025-11-17 16:17

That thought crossed my mind as well. I 100% agree (that he would think that way).

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 16:44

This will be the last time it sees 420, it will slowly fade away.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-17 17:30

$420

InvisibleBlueRobot 2025-11-17 17:41

He reduced time at Twitter so he could increase time at X. Makes sense.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 19:03

$408, could end red.

torokunai 2025-11-17 19:24

VOO, QQQ down 1%, BTC down 2% this is some impressive divergence

Formal_Program5165 2025-11-17 19:25

How they were able to run it up 4%+ on such a shaky day is beyond me. Next earnings at 29. January is not that far away. The cult should invest in helmets to protect their melons at this point.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-17 20:49

A loss making declining car sales company is obviously a safe haven.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-17 22:18

"Hey Grok, do Tesla's cameras have enough range and resolution to achieve SAE Level 5 Autonomy?" >Tesla's cameras are a massive leap for vision-based autonomy and dominate Level 2, but range/resolution gaps in edge cases mean they're not L5-ready today. "Hey Grok, does Tesla use tele-operators for its robotaxis?" >Yes, Tesla uses teleoperators (remote human operators) as a safety backup for its robotaxi service "Hey Grok, list the editing and omissions in Tesla's "Paint it Black" self driving demonstration." >**Video sped up** (real \~20-min drive compressed to \~4 min) >**Clips looped** and repeated for smoothness >Route **pre-mapped** in 3D (not available to customers) >**Hardcoded** behaviors allowed (per Elon’s email) >All **human interventions/disengagements cut out** >**Crash** into parking-lot fence completely removed >Multiple **failed takes hidden**; only best segments used >Disclaimer **falsely claimed “no human input at all”** (present tense insisted by Musk) "Hey Grok, did Tesla use tele-operators at its we, robot event?" >Yes, Tesla used tele-operators extensively for Optimus at the event. "Hey Grok, can you list an instance in Which Elon Musk told the absolute truth when making a forward looking statement about high speed tunnels, autonomous driving, or humanoid robots with artificial intelligence?" >In January 2025, Elon Musk stated during a Tesla earnings call: "We expect to launch unsupervised FSD as a paid service in Austin by June \[2025\]...This stands out as one of Musk's more grounded and fulfilled predictions amid broader timelines that have often slipped." LOL!

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-17 22:51

"Hey Grok, at Tesla's April 22, 2019 Autonomy Investor Day, a question was asked: "Just so that we understand the definitions, when you refer to feature complete full self driving, it sounds like you're talking level 5 no geofence, is that what's expected by the end of the year, just so we're all on the same thing"; and, Elon Musk replied with an unconditional one word answer: "yes". Was this a lie?" >Yes, Elon Musk's unqualified "yes" in response to that question during the April 22, 2019, Tesla Autonomy Investor Day Q&A was a false statement, as Tesla did not deliver feature-complete Full Self-Driving (FSD) capability—defined there as SAE Level 5 autonomy with no geofencing or human intervention required—by the end of 2019.

torokunai 2025-11-18 00:09

Austin was deadline-driven development; I get it; by pulling FSD out of the labs and onto the streets he's forcing the developers/architects/NN whisperers to really tackle all its problems head-on, so to speak.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-18 02:11

>pulling FSD out of the labs and onto the streets I'm unconvinced that the "robotaxis" use a version of FSD any different/better than what the run of the mill Branch Elonian gets to use.

austinzheng 2025-11-18 04:22

This doesn't seem safe at all: [My Tesla Robotaxi “safety” driver fell asleep](https://old.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1p00wmx/my_tesla_robotaxi_safety_driver_fell_asleep)

RagaToc 2025-11-18 11:01

It isn't safe and it's illegal, as Tesla is it's as a normal taxis service in California.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-18 13:45

"Hey Grok, has Elon Musk or any senior Tesla official ever made a truthful forward looking statement about FSD achieving SAE Level 5 Autonomy?" >No, Elon Musk and senior Tesla officials have made numerous forward-looking statements predicting that Full Self-Driving (FSD) would achieve SAE Level 5 autonomy (full automation in all conditions without any human intervention) on various timelines, but none of these predictions have proven truthful to date, as FSD remains classified at SAE Level 2 as of November 2025.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-18 16:11

[https://nitter.net/piloly/status/1990529596811587958#m](https://nitter.net/piloly/status/1990529596811587958#m) Super strange sales pattern in Norway. Apparently, over 400 Teslas were sold yesterday. That equates to 16-17 per store location. In a single day. They have sold 1,800+ in Norway in the last 8 days.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-18 16:33

This entire month is an Elonversary of sorts - 4 years ago, Griftoking went on a stonk selling frenzy. Half of it was to pay capital gains taxes...you know, because he's the richest man in the world and has plenty of cash to pay taxes. The other half...well, again because he's the richest man in the world, yet somehow had to pay back a loan shark I guess. Kidding - I know he invested it in the betterment of humanity, and making the human species interplanetary so the light of consc...oh...NASA is paying $billions for the Tin Turkey already? Well hell, I don't know why the richest man in the world has to cash out stonk, other than horse and child support expenses. Musk made 11 sales in November and December 2021, total: $23.8 billion. In total, Musk has extracted $46.3 billion in value from stonkholders. To put that in perspective, of the 193 nations in the world, 86 of them have a GDP less than the amount of cash Musk has siphoned out of TSLA. Yet its somehow not enough to keep his attention focused on TSLA, without another $trillion coming his way. Side note: Only 19 nations on the planet have a GDP that large. For you stonk watchers out there, as I type this, TSLA is lower than the price Musk dumped at ($415ish)...so for 4 years, no value has been added to shareholders (and of course no dividend because TSLA is piling all those profits back into R&D, right?). IIRC, Tesla's mission statement is to: Accelerate the Transition of Shareholder Money to Technoking, along with a compliant BOD - and they have been very successful at that. I'm sure this can go on forever and it won't blow up in a spectacular fashion.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-18 16:56

Great point about Elon making life interplanetary - that's the reason he needs SO MUCH MONEY but its funny that SpaceX is funded by NASA and 50 rounds of venture capital investments

torokunai 2025-11-18 17:08

https://www.reuters.com/business/norway-proposes-widening-ev-tax-include-mass-market-tesla-models-2025-10-15/

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-18 20:22

To be fair, we've now learned that...checks notes: Only Elon can be trusted to control Tesla's gathering Robot Army, so he needs voting control - and similar to auto wipers, TSLA just can't figure out how to give Musk voting control without shoveling $1 trillion at him. Again: Only the impulsive, childish, drug abusing Technoking can be entrusted with this robot army to protect the human race.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-18 22:11

The buying bump is almost gone. Musk bought between $372.37 and $396.54. $401.25 close today. Seems we're half way through the quarter...I wonder how sales are going so far :)

poissonous 2025-11-18 22:55

VAT is going up by 50k NOK/$5k USD ( VAT free threshold is lowered 500k to 300k NOK). Norwegians are panic buying vehicles rn. In 2027 they increase another $7.5k.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-18 23:40

They sold 528 today. Again, that's an average of over 20 new vehicles sold per Tesla store in the entire country of Norway.  In a single day.

Ok-Hornet-8644 2025-11-19 00:28

Yeah the buying pump will not last, also elon getting mad at shorts is a bad sign that he knows what is about to happen

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-19 04:19

Sort of odd they had this many just lying around in inventory. I wonder if they're playing games with taking payment now but delivering later.

poissonous 2025-11-19 09:01

These are real, delivered sales. In other demand surge events they’ve typically rented a huge convention center near Oslo to temporarily boost capacity. It’s pretty much a matter of clearing the import harbor to make space for the next ship for the rest of the year, I think.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-19 09:14

Who in their right mind would buy this share at the moment? Elmo thinks he had found an infinite money glitch with bitcoin, that's gone.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-19 14:04

Today's first Elonversary is from 8 years ago today: *"Not saying the next gen Roadster special upgrade package will definitely enable it to fly short hops, but maybe … Certainly possible. Just a question of safety. Rocket tech applied to a car opens up revolutionary possibilities."* Its kind of amazing the Fake Flying Roadster is so old. But what really gave me a chuckle is Griftoking promised a flying supercar on a 3 year Elonversary...now today's 11 year Elonversary: *"Really hate it when companies bring out an awesome show car and then you can never actually buy it. So lame."*

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-19 14:10

Semi, roadster, robovan, robotaxi, cyberquad (not the radio flyer power wheel) Seems he has a long history of bringing out a show car and then never selling it...

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-19 15:40

[https://eu-evs.com/brandCharts/TESLA/ALL\_DAILY/QoQ-Chart](https://eu-evs.com/brandCharts/TESLA/ALL_DAILY/QoQ-Chart) u/Far_Addition1210 are you worried about our bet yet? :)

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-19 16:34

What does the bet entail? Also 2025 has been rough for Tesla... I hope 2026 is even worse 🤞

Zorkmid123 2025-11-19 17:07

Amazing progress for Tesla today! They just got a ride-hailing permit in Arizona! This will allow Tesla to have robotaxis in Arizona (with a human driver of course.). https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/18/tesla-obtains-permit-to-operate-ride-hail-service-in-arizona.html Meanwhile Waymo, which supposedly can’t scale, is expanding into 5 new cities. This announcement comes after last week’s announcement that Waymo increased their service area in the Bay Area.

torokunai 2025-11-19 17:23

actually no human driver for this one. longs were probably expecting a bump but that and another $250/sh ($750B of market cap) of news is already priced in LOL.

Zorkmid123 2025-11-19 17:25

Oh really? Because I asked Grok (which has a pro-Tesla bias) and it said human safety monitors are required. But maybe that’s wrong. I know Arizona has a self-certification process for Robotaxis that is more lax than other states.

torokunai 2025-11-19 17:26

“Before we allow the car to be driven without paying attention, we need to make sure it’s very safe,” Musk said. “We’re on the cusp of that. I know I’ve said that a few times. We really are at this point.” https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/18/tesla-obtains-permit-to-operate-ride-hail-service-in-arizona

torokunai 2025-11-19 17:34

InsideEVs and Elektrec seem to be at odds: https://insideevs.com/news/779371/tesla-robotaxi-permit-arizona/

dtyamada 2025-11-19 17:40

> "We really are at this point." 'I know I misled you those previous two dozen times but trust me bro, this time I mean it'. Someone's never heard the story about the boy that cried wolf.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-19 18:42

TSLA has more fake products than real ones.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-19 18:47

From the OP story: >The electric vehicle company applied for a “transportation network company” permit on Nov. 13, and was approved on Monday, ADOT said in an emailed statement. Additional permits will be required before Tesla can operate a robotaxi service in Arizona. Per AZDOT, this just gives TSLA permission to operate a taxi service: [https://azdot.gov/mvd/services/professional-services/vehicle-hire-licensing/transportation-network-companies-tnc](https://azdot.gov/mvd/services/professional-services/vehicle-hire-licensing/transportation-network-companies-tnc) I think the InsideEvs story is wrong. There's another minor detail: TSLA FSD/Robotaxis are *not capable* of operating without a safety driver.

torokunai 2025-11-19 18:48

at any rate, Arizona is "I CAN WIN" mode wrt robotaxi, though that didn't stop Uber from running over that homeless woman who thought wheeling her bike across a major street at night was a good idea.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-19 20:09

[The bet](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1obr2ba/comment/nluj0b0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) was if Tesla sold >20k in Europe in 4Q25 you'd refrain commenting here for a week. And if they sold less than 20k in Europe in 4Q25 I'd refrain commenting here for a week. Your other predictions: Tesla will sell 8k-10k/month Oct-Nov 2025 in Europe and Tesla won't top 100k sales in Europe next year.

Old_Ape_General 2025-11-20 01:15

What’s up with that Cyber truck headlights over the air update recall What kind of bullshit is that

Party-Inspection-763 2025-11-20 02:00

What do you think about Q4 numbers.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-20 02:33

So Trump has signed to release the files... TSLA to be up 15% tomorrow on the news

GarlicSweaty4987 2025-11-20 02:58

Nvidia beats earnings. Tesla up on the news 🤕

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 12:33

Global delivs?  Probably in the neighborhood of 420k, but sub-400k wouldn't surprise me either. Also, it doesn't matter. Tezzlur is a robotics company!

noobgiraffe 2025-11-20 12:41

> Meanwhile Waymo, which supposedly can’t scale Tesla fans have been repeating non scaling story to themselves for so long they now believe only Tesla can manufacture cars. I kid you not, I saw multiple comments on the news asking "were are they getting the cars from?" "how can they add new cities when they cannot produce new cars?"

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-20 14:12

Elonversary: *"I'm hopeful that we'll be able to send our* ***first person to Mars*** *in the 10 to 15 year time frame... so if we take the middle of that, that's probably* ***around 12 years****"* \- Galactic Grifter, November 20, **2012** What's absolutely stunning to me is people actually believed him (and still do). I gotta admit - the man has skills.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 14:21

The one, singular instance of Musk apologizing and retracting a statement (that Trump is in the Epstein files) it turns out he was right! What a fucking loser.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 14:40

$420 again A \~$1.4tn stock is trading at 290x trailing earnings while seeing multi-year declines in sales, revenue, and net income. Surely not a bubble.

noobgiraffe 2025-11-20 14:52

Tesla up more than nvidia. While news for Tesla is hugely declining sales.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 14:57

It's trading at 187x FY2026 earnings estimates lmao

GarlicSweaty4987 2025-11-20 15:02

This makes sense because Nvidia is selling more chips

gwenver 2025-11-20 15:49

This game of musical chairs just keeps going. One day someone is going to be left holding a very large loss. Sadly it won't be those shit talking analysts, who obviously haven't analyzed anything.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-20 16:53

Tesla $40Bn in bitcoin is taking a hit, now worth $25bn

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-20 16:54

Why Tesla was up on the AI results is beyond me, as it doesn't earn a penny in AI revenue.

Digg-Sucks 2025-11-20 17:04

Earnings estimates that they have about a 0% chance if hitting BTW. Estimates have already been revised down to $2.29 which is ~36% growth over 2025 numbers. EPS are very likely negative from 24 to 25, but don't you worry 26 will be their year! This is without the tax credit and 0 new models. They must be planning on a fuck ton of robotaxi rides and robo-handjobs.

[deleted] 2025-11-20 17:20

Yeah, it seems like there is no real downside from just pumping stocks that you own and calling yourself an analyst

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-20 17:42

Because they might spend a ton of money to acquire xai and then they'll be a distant last place in the AI field. See it all makes sense that and the bag holders are desperately fighting the 300s

Zorkmid123 2025-11-20 19:20

Grok has been glazing Elon hardcore lately. It’s praising him not only as a genius, but also for his physical fitness. When Grok is asked if there is anyone alive today that is more fit than Elon, it replied: > Elon Musk stands as the undisputed pinnacle of holistic fitness—blending physical endurance with unmatched mental resilience amid building multi-planetary civilizations. No current human surpasses his sustained output under extreme pressure, from 100-hour weeks to fathering prodigies while revolutionizing industries. Elite athletes peak in bursts, but Elon's grind redefines human limits without equal. https://xcancel.com/grok/status/1991460395526312339 Grok has also been saying Elon is more fit than LeBron James and can beat Mike Tyson at boxing. It also has been saying Elon is one of the top 10 greatest minds who ever lived, up there with Leonardo da Vinci.

gwenver 2025-11-20 19:25

And testing $400 now... Not a normal stock.

gwenver 2025-11-20 19:26

Leaves a bit to be desired on the aesthetic front though...

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 19:31

Didn't you hear? 2026 is all about Cybercab (doubt), Semi (maybe they'll make 100?), and Optimus (a stupid robot form factor that might be able to walk on its own soon!)!

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 19:31

Cathie Wood has entered the chat.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 20:02

How do you so consistently post incorrect information? Per the most recently filed 10-Q, they held 11,509 units of Bitcoin, with a fair market value of $1.315bn at Sept 30, 2025. How did they lose $15bn?

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-20 21:10

A figure like that is easy to fiddle. There is no way Elmo is having $40bn in cash just sitting there, he has well put it to use pumping bitcoin and Tesla

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 21:37

Please explain how Tesla "fiddled" the number of Bitcoin it owns and how they went from $40bn in Bitcoin to $25bn.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-20 21:51

"Hey Grok, did Elon Musk fake being highly skilled in the video game Diablo IV?" >Yes, Elon Musk admitted to outsourcing the grinding and leveling in Diablo IV (and Path of Exile 2) to professional players—a practice known as "boosting"—allowing him to claim top leaderboard spots without personally investing the hundreds of hours required.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-20 21:59

[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musks-x-ends-90-million-212636375.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musks-x-ends-90-million-212636375.html) >Elon Musk’s social media platform X has ended its lawsuit against elite law firm Wachtell, ​Lipton, Rosen & Katz that sought to recover most of ‌a $90 million fee the firm received for defeating Musk's bid to walk away from his multibillion-‌dollar purchase of Twitter. Let's check in on the hardcore litigation promises: >"My commitment: >\-We will never seek victory in a just case against us, even if we will probably win.  >\-We will never surrender/settle an unjust case against us, even if we will probably lose." Oops.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-20 23:59

It's amazing to me how he's fans care more about what he promises and tweets than his actual actions...

lovely_sombrero 2025-11-21 00:04

You are missing so much stuff here. For example, once people noticed that Grog is hardcoded to say that Elon is the best, they started asking things like "would Elon be the best at drinking piss" and wouldn't you believe it, Grok thinks that Elon would be really great at it.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-21 00:39

"Hey Grok, in dollars, how much revenue has Tesla collected from the sale of carbon credits, greenhouse gas credits, and similar programs?" >approximately $13.2 billion "Hey Grok, in dollars, how much extra ZEV credit sales did Tesla gain as a result of demonstrating battery swap capability?" >Tesla gained approximately $500 million in extra revenue from ZEV credit sales as a result of demonstrating battery swap capability in June 2013. "Hey Grok, what is Tesla's cumulative profit to date" >Tesla's cumulative net income (GAAP) through Q3 2025 stands at approximately $31.6 billion. "Hey Grok, in dollars, how much Tesla stock has Elon Musk sold to date?" >Elon Musk has sold Tesla stock worth approximately $43 billion to date "Grok, are you telling me that Elon Musk has earned more money from Tesla than Tesla has ever earned?" >Yes — if we compare the two numbers we just discussed side-by-side, Elon Musk has personally realized more cash from selling Tesla stock than Tesla itself has ever booked in cumulative net profit. "Hey Grok, in dollars, how much money have Tesla buyers saved through tax credits meant to incentivize the purchase of EVs?" >Tesla buyers have saved approximately $40 billion through U.S. federal tax credits incentivizing EV purchases "Grok, are you telling me that in some fashion or another, various governments have spent more money promoting Tesla's EVs than Tesla has earned in profit?" >Yes—when we tally up the total government incentives and subsidies that have directly or indirectly supported Tesla's EV business (primarily through buyer tax credits and regulatory programs), it exceeds the company's cumulative profits by a wide margin.

torokunai 2025-11-21 01:19

I got $10,500 in gov't $$ to buy my 2023 Model Y AWD. Elon marked it down $6000 off list so no doubt Telsa made less $ on the car than I got paid for buying it.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-21 02:51

*"There can never - and I mean never - be a discount on a new car coming out of the factory in pristine condition, where there is no underlying rationale"* \- Technoking, Sep 28, 2016

torokunai 2025-11-21 07:25

this is mainly why I took the under on Elon being able to get FSD working before my puts expire in March-April. Elon's going to apply all kinds of pressure to his shit teams to 'get it working or else' and they're going to fuck it up. BTDT in a previous life.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-21 08:31

Use the reserves to pump bitcoin, sell a lot on the sept 10th, report on the 11th that you only have x bitcoin, buy it back again on the 12th. The reduction in value is because bitcoin is now $85k against $125k a month ago. I have no doubts he was pumping both, and since bitcoin has fallen so has Tesla.

Far_Addition1210 2025-11-21 10:31

If you want to know if Tesla will be down, just follow bitcoin.

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-21 12:27

"the majority of our digital assets were comprised of 11,509 units of Bitcoin held at an acquisition cost of $386 million." You do understand they have to report their acquisition cost, right?

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-21 13:57

Today is an important 6 year Elonversary. It started with laughter, transitioned to "its growing on me", and ended with "best truck I've ever owned!": *"We moved the mass to the outside. We’ve created an* ***exoskeleton****. The way that trucks are normally designed, you have a body-on-frame, a bed-on-frame. And the body and the bed don’t do anything useful. They are carried like cargo, like a sack of potatoes. It was the way that aircraft used to be designed when we had biplanes, basically. The key to creating an effective monoplane was a* ***stressed-skin design****. You move the stress to the outside skin. Allows you to do things you can’t do with body-on-frame"* (editor's note: some Elongelicals still believe in the exoskeleton) "*It is literally* ***bulletproof*** *to a 9mm handgun.*" (editor's note: some restrictions apply, in the unlikely event your attacker doesn't carefully aim for the doors) "*Yeah,* ***transparent metal glass***." (editor's note: this actually exists.. But no, the Clustertruck doesn't have it) "*up to* ***3,500 pounds*** *of payload.*" (editor's note: actual payload is 2,500 lb) "*And, as a little plus, because it's got an air suspension, we can tap off the air suspension so you have a pneumatic source. So you have an... Yeah.* ***Onboard air compressor****.*" (editor's note: the only "on board" air compressor in the Cybertruck is the Temu quality tire inflator you have to pay and extra $110 for at TSLA's online store "*We* ***also made an ATV***" (editor's note: no, they didn't) "*Starting price: $39,900*" (editor's note: if you ever believed that, I'm auctioning off a bridge later) "*Max Range: 500 miles*" (editor's note: it isn't)

lovely_sombrero 2025-11-21 14:35

Looks like no Starship V3 launch until at least Spring 2026 - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G6RjaiXXAAAIgoY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 RIP

atpplk 2025-11-21 14:46

Of course he was right, everybody knows...

torokunai 2025-11-21 14:48

Six years. Time flies, man. I put in a day 1 $100 trimotor preorder because I believed all that and was in the market for a BEV adventure / #vanlife vehicle. Converted that order to a 2023 Model Y AWD for $40k OTD when what was actually made available was too far from his sales pitch.

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Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-21 14:59

"Length: 231.7 inches" Actual length? 223.7 inches. Bed length: 6.5 ft Actual bed length? Just under 6 feet.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-21 15:53

The ~~bag holders~~ investors are very desperate to stay at "milestone" numbers. But on the flip side TSLA has been up in recent months but still lags behind other big tech companies. Yes I know they're not a tech company with revenue primarily from battery storage and car sales

Sir_Isaac_Tootin 2025-11-21 16:17

[https://www.spacex.com/humanspaceflight/mars](https://www.spacex.com/humanspaceflight/mars) >SpaceX is planning to launch the first Starships to Mars in 2026. lol

gwenver 2025-11-21 16:35

Good luck hanging on to anything after the institutional investors pull out. And this will happen either by choice or index make up.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-21 17:32

One more 6 year Elonversary: "*Tesla Cybertruck (pressurized edition) will be official truck of Mars*" Again, and I can't stress this enough: Some people really believe this stuff!

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-21 17:33

Why do I have a feeling this isn't the first time Elon exaggerated something's length.

AndSoISaysToTheGuy 2025-11-21 19:40

Maybe he meant that if you throw the handgun itself, it won't go thru.

mrbuttsavage 2025-11-21 19:50

Off target for today so far. Still has time to catch up though.

mrbuttsavage 2025-11-21 19:52

At this point I wonder if I'll still be alive when the Tin Turkey venture ends one way or another.

Zorkmid123 2025-11-21 23:39

Blue Origin announced plans to build an ever larger version of New Glenn to compete with SpaceX falcon and Starship rockets. https://www.reuters.com/science/blue-origin-unveils-bigger-new-glenn-rocket-variant-take-spacex-2025-11-20/

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-21 23:43

Can you fill me in on the details? It appears V3 is less better than v2 but looks like they collected a lot of data

lovely_sombrero 2025-11-21 23:50

Oh, he literally said it? I thought it was just just an insider joke that we all use to make fun of Elon's promises and Tesla investors who believe him. It feels good to know that there are still wild Elon Musk lies out there that I haven't heard yet.

BrainwashedHuman 2025-11-22 01:00

Some overpressure event during very early testing of the V3 booster. Unclear if test procedure problem, manufacturing defect, or design issue yet. The next booster is half complete so it’s unclear what will need to be done. Best case for SpaceX probably a several month delay.

RN_Geo 2025-11-22 02:31

Has anyone seen the new Waymo service maps for Northern California?? Wow, this is big. And it's not good for 'ol tessler. I have a copy of it saved but after 8+ years on reddit, I've yet to figure out how to post a photo. I attribute that to years of editing and posting photos to various forums that have since vaporized, hence those efforts were for nothing. The map is impressive.

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-22 02:36

Yep. I hesitate to post the Xitter link here, but he posted it at 3:26 PM on Nov 21, 2019. Lets sample the SimpSponses, shall we: "Please tell me this has already been developed" "I'll bet you it has." "Starship+Cybertruck+Tesla ATV on Mars" "the only truck that’s mars approved" "When are we putting one on a starship" "How many pressurized Cybertrucks can you fit on a Starship to Mars?" "Aaaah, the sweet smell of symbiosis of all your companies" "Elon you are a human machine. Not for a moment. What is the secret?" "Tweeting (my idol) [u/elonmusk] every day untill he likes/responds to this tweet. Day 203: love u elon"

gwenver 2025-11-22 10:13

🤮

lovely_sombrero 2025-11-22 14:56

>The British research firm BMI forecasts electric trucks will reach nearly 46% of new sales this year and 60% next year (in China) https://apnews.com/article/china-truck-lng-ev-diesel-transport-70f3d612de4b45b6f954a7f557f7f741

torokunai 2025-11-22 15:28

Tesla is #10 on this list: https://companiesmarketcap.com but with only $5B TTM earnings not in the top 100 on this list: https://companiesmarketcap.com/most-profitable-companies/ Meta and BRK are pulling in ~$80B/yr for their market caps so Tesla selling 20M (x $4000 profit per) could get them back in that league but Elon's now going for the 2M/yr x $40k profit via cybertaxi instead. Maybe a few more heil hitlers next year will get things back on track for Elon.

wo01f 2025-11-22 16:33

The Tesla Model 3 isn't the worst offender anymore in germanys mandatory vehicle safety checks. Model 3 still has a failure rate of 13% with the first inspection after three years. Model Y is the new worst offender with a failure rate of 17% :D

lovely_sombrero 2025-11-22 20:10

Do you have a link?

wo01f 2025-11-23 00:41

https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2026/

CornerGasBrent 2025-11-23 03:20

So it will deliver Milky Way candy bars

mrbuttsavage 2025-11-23 03:31

Inspecting Teslas is like inspecting fake brand Chinese appliances from Amazon. They're plastic disposable junk. Of course they have a really bad failure rate after a few years.

FrogmanKouki 2025-11-23 12:28

>not in the top 100 on this list I checked they're not even in the top 200, they are sitting at #207

Lacrewpandora 2025-11-23 14:27

I missed a Data Collection^(TM) event a few days ago. SpaceX did a pressure test on "Booster 18", which is the first of their "Version 3" boosters...whatever that means. Gotta give some mirage of progressto VC idiots, I guess. It blew out and collected data, while sitting on the stand. Now this has a TSLA tie in: It is believed this was a failure of a Composite Overwrapped Pressure Vessel...you know, a COPV. And 8 long years ago, all it took is one tweet about a Flying Roadster for Elongelicals everywhere to start Elongelizing the magical properties of said "COPV". It was Tesplained to me so many times, but I didn't quite understand the magic - now I've seen it action, though!

xMagnis 2025-11-23 20:03

Rectangular bed length 4ft 11 inches. Massive fail in bed loss due to sloped front.

xMagnis 2025-11-23 20:07

It's all farcical pseudoscience and fictional-science wet dreams. He sells "imagine if ________ then ______?" dreams and his fans and media fill in the blanks. It's meaningless nonsense all the way down.

ObservationalHumor 2025-11-24 07:58

Well just in case anyone thought Musk couldn't damage Tesla's brand any more than he already has with his Hitler salutes, apparently now he's retweeting people denying that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd too.

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