Tesla recalls over 10,000 Powerwalls in the US after several fires

"itS JuSSt a Ovr THA AiR upDaTE!"

They hid this until after the Elon pay package was approved!! They knew because it had already been recalled in Australia.

That's going to cost over $10 MILLION to fix.

Honestly, it feels like that's what they were hoping, that they could solve it with a software update. They must've exhausted all software options before resorting to this.

Stock up 7% on this news! Wait WHAT… it’s down??

Tesla builds junk.

Apparently not a power company either.

I'm really baffled that the stock didn't go up today with that news.

It’s worse than that. They are going to have to replace even more powerwalls which is unknown. I have two and one failed. Since they don’t make the old powerwalls anymore and they aren’t backwards compatible, they both have to be replaced. This is going to be a huge loss for them. The powerwalls and the labor is about 80-90% of thier cost install on solar plus powerwall. The panels cost almost nothing. They are going to be doing probably 25k worth of work on my system that only cost me 30k. They also basically brick your system and it takes upwards to 3 months to have them fix it. If I could force them to remove the garbage out of my house I would, I already asked.

Another reason not to get a tesla powerwall besides the whole fire thing, Elon can remotely discharge your battery...

Can’t Tesla make just one product that doesn’t actively try to kill you

And disable it on a whim.

Seriously. In this market, good or bad news and especially Tesla, the stonks keep going up.

Wild

and i think powerwall is the only business line at tesla that's actually growing. but after the fires, this recall and all the safety issues with the vehicles who the hell will want to put musk's shit in their home?

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Imagine someone deciding they want Elon Musk to be in control over enormous batteries stored inside their house and potentially therefore the flow of electricity to their house. Buying a Tesla is daft enough, but this is just hilariously bad decision making.

Apparently there are a lot of idiots in this world who are trying their best on willingly giving up their life's control switch to exploiters like Musk. Idk if its plain idiotic stupidity, lack of compulsory education or social media doing its thing of successfully brainwashing ignorants into cult followers.

Tesla shouldn't even exist in the first place. What kind of a company is it that only relies on ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL's PR IMAGE TO SELL ITS PRODUCTS IN THE FIRST PLACE??? Add to that, they have NO STRONG FOCUS on their PROMISED FIELDS. They keep changing from EVs TO Software, Software to ROBOTS, ROBOTS to ROCKETS, ROCKETS to ISP, ISP to ENERGY. They have been playing with fire all this time, losing in competition against other decent players in the market. Holy fuck what kind of a company that can't even meet its target sales has a 300x valuation?? Either analysts are hyping idiots into pumping up stock prices which only benefits the shareholders, or investors truly believe that TESLA's GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD.

Anything Tesla is utter shit in the end.

Don't trust sales data pitched by Elon's crony companies. He will make thousands of small RC toy cars for kids, sell them and pitch that as "Tesla car sales increased by 1000". Or he will open EV rental and every rental contract will count as a "Tesla car sale". Even their Starlink service is overhyped promise that only eats government's pockets all around the world that use them. Plus the fact that Elon can literally outright refuse to provide service over a single Tweet is enough to discourage you from his companies' products.

Analysts didn't find a new way to re-interpret this and pump up stock prices.

We are heading straight for a big CRASH...............................

To be fair, all batteries are like this if you opt into the monitoring service.

It’s ok. Tesla is an AI and robot company now. Not that those things run on batteries and electricity….

So glad I didn't get one like I wanted. They are so overpriced compared to something like an EG4 battery pack.

Nah, it is way more expensive than that.

I bet Elon counts the required replacements as new sales towards his milestones for compensation bonus.

If the wait is three months I assume there is a powerwall shortage and/or labor shortage, which the opportunity cost of this crew and replacing powerwalls is about 25k. Do they cost less than what they charge to install, sure. The point is that’s is not a simple swap, they are removing a perfectly fine powerwall, removing most if not all the equipment, replacing it will newer more expensive stuff and buring a crew for the day.

Imagine having the ability to look forward 7 years and being able to understand where this company was going and who the CEO was going to become. This was one of the only options to have battery storage at the time that was a reasonable price. 7 years ago the company wasn’t off the rails. Your comment is a perfect example of hindsight bias. I happen to agree with you. One of the worst decisions I have made.

Glad you think I’m an idiot.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2026/Tesla-Recalls-Powerwall-2-AC-Battery-Power-Systems-Due-to-Fire-and-Burn-Hazards-Risk-of-Serious-Injury-or-Death

7 years ago they were already pretending they never promised solar roof tiles and Musk was attacking a professional who said his grandiose mini-sub wouldn’t work…

There's people that want Tesla HVAC in their house. Some people are just nuts.

Tesler sedans' batteries catch fire. Tesler Cybercucks catch fire with passengers trapped inside. Tesler indoor power storage batteries catch houses on fire. Can't wait for the Tesler battery-powered robotaxies, flying cars, and humanoid robots. Now is the time to invest in fire suppression devices that can neutralize L-Ion battery combustion

1 trillion dollars

Best in the world

I sold my Model S in 2017 because of the way the company was heading...

where are all those fuckfaces who were saying "the recall only is due to powerwalls that were sent to australia" we all knew the powerwalls are bad. my powerwall died 5 years into its life. lucky no fire. they replaced it for free. wonder if my "new" old powerwall is in the recall list

i bet they could remotely overload it , too.

Too much power in da power wall.

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Also remember this news when earnings time comes around. Will they show the recall as a liability or loss? What does their energy sector margins look like when accounting for all these units...

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Surprised they didn't do an OTA to reduce capacity, it must be a fundamental issue with the powerwall

Yes, I’ve had the coolant problem. Ok cool, it’s a 10000 dollar replacement, is that better for you?

Cool, you are a better person than I am!

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My bet is that they'll show it as that many more sales.

This company is hilariously inept

Just FYI, in most places it's illegal to have the powerwall inside your house. Maybe the garage. But there are all kinds of code issues surrounding things that can release toxic gases when they're on fire or other otherwise malfunctioning. In fact it's partly.why the power walls aren't sold on the open market anymore. Turns out that, once you consider the safety issues, powerwalls have no significant advantage over any of a half dozen other models of solar battery storage. And Tesla couldn't match any of the others on cost.

Lol no. Powerwalls sold so badly that they aren't even for sale on the open market anymore. You can only get them as part of a package deal, installed by an approved company. In other words, you have to overpay for a fairly generic solar installation so that Elon gets kickbacks.

Imagine the fiasco when the Tesla’s roofs fail.

Any idea how many have been sold or in service?

Bullish for Tesla obviously

It would be hilarious if there wasn't so much risk to life 😕

Agreed. I’m not laughing at that. I’m laughing at this company because they aren’t capable of making a safe product.

r/musked

Musk was lying and making false promises much earlier.

This seems like a drop in the bucket compared to the roughly 30% sales drop in Europe (-29%) and China(-35%) compared to last year. The board and institutional investors were never going to vote against his obscene pay package.

Technically true how fire retardant is deployed

😂🤣😂

The Thai cave rescue was about 7 years ago. That incident alone was enough for me to know I want nothing he's involved with.

B-b-but tesla doesn’t do recalls! OTA updates!!!!

That's what happens when stock prices become unmoored from financial performance. Tesla is one of the most overvalued (P/E Ratio) companies of all time by percentage, and _the_ most overvalued company of all time by volume. Tesla stock, like all of Musk's lofty promises, is vaporware, created entirely to dupe the gullible, launder taxpayer, dollars and suck up every penny of VC funding that could go to worthwhile projects that don't involve building glorified 1-mile subways, rockets without a real purpose or design, or pneumatic tubes that were proved impractical over a hundred years ago by much smarter people.

I bet this is just one more case of Elon “Two Bolts” Musk verbally beating his engineers to use under-engineered components to save manufacturing costs, with an attitude of “just try it.”

It kind of was in Australia. They did an OTA updates to drain and brick the affected units and then when people reported a fault dealt with it. I wonder how many people out there are unaware their PW2 has been shut down.

Its a lot easier to sell a car than home batteries i assure you. They are kind of built into the house and removing them would be a major cost. I have 4 Tesla PW2s and actively recommend not buying PW3s. But its easier to say now then when I brought them as there was very few options on the market that came even close. Now we are spoiled for choice in Australia and even the PW3 looks like an outdated overpriced POS. At this point I kind of hope one of my PW2s packs it in so I have an excuse to have the whole setup replaced. But when installed we are talking upwards of AU$40k of batteries with other options being the same or more expensive for less capacity. So tossing them is a big call when the uninstall will be a few grand alone never mind replacement.

To be fair im in Australia and we still have consumer protections and this would be a refund situation if they didnt replace them under warranty. They are replacing a bunch under this recall already.

> The lithium-ion *battery cells* in certain Powerwall 2 systems can cause the unit to stop functioning during normal use, which can result in overheating and, in some cases, smoke or flame and can cause death or serious injury due to fire and burn hazards. I believe Tesla uses the same 21700 cells in some of their electric vehicle batteries, at least for Model 3 and Model Y. If these are Powerwall 2 units, they are likely using the cells that are manufactured at the Gigafactory in Nevada since January 2017. Those cells are also used in vehicle battery packs. Technically they are manufactured by Panasonic at the Tesla facility, but are jointly designed and engineered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_Nevada > Panasonic makes the battery cells at the Gigafactory with the new form factor '2170', jointly designed and engineered by Tesla and Panasonic and subsequently updated. Wondering if that subsequent update is related to the units that are included in the recall, and which version is the one that was recalled. https://electrek.co/2020/11/03/tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity/

Still sold in Australia by a bunch of companies as they used to be the class leading option. I.stress used to be the competition on features and price is fierce now and honestly the PW3 is more a lateral step than improvement and yeah a lot of people burned with it not being compatible with the PW2. Its popularity is down and places that used to be Powerwall only sellers now offer other brands and push them instead.

Looking more closely, the recalled units are “from November 2020 through December 2022,” and the new version of the cell was announced in November 2020, so it seems that the new version of the cell is the culprit.

I do understand (and glad I've held off from home battery storage until now). The market is only just becoming mature, and as you say storage systems don't really have a second hand market in the same way as cars. My point was more one that signs of Elon/Tesla's true character have been around for a LONG time. There were some early cult escapees (I guess I'd be called that) however the cult continued growing and their voices drowned out all the warnings. It's taken the Trump / Salute / DOGE stuff to turn the tide of popular opinion.

I knew and brought a Kia EV6 over a Tesla long before I brought the Powerwalls. But when I was shopping battery storage for home they were really the only game in town outside the budget garbage end of the market and the budget ones were basically no cheaper just had poorer tech and support. I actually held out for ages to see what Enphase brought to market but there initial offerings in Australia sucked for my needs costing more and needing a lot more space than I had available. Wish I had held out longer now but im stuck with the Powerwalls until they fail basically.

I'm in the UK, so the solar sums are not quite so straightforward, but I've recently bought a large commercial property - it has plenty of space for storage and a large roof area, so just exploring the options now. Talking of space requirements - My father was an electrical engineer for one of the big UK M+E firms. They put battery storage into the Imperial War Museum back in the 70s (a huge room full of lead acid batteries) . I wish I had been old enough to have seen it - I'm sure it would be very steampunk compared to today! (Though why a museum needed such an elaborate battery backup system is beyond my pay grade/security clearance 🤣🤣🤣)

Yeah being Australia in Summer i can blow through 100kWh of production a day at times with my solar so storing some makes a lot of sense.

Just look at the guy in charge

Elon hungers for death, look at what he did with USAID

"What's the worst that could happen?"

Do they program pyromania into their products?

I'd make them eat it, then by a UPS from a well-established brand like Liebert.

I'm sure the heating part works well.

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And the stock went up. The inevitable is going to be a blood bath.

But gas cars catch on fire more! /s

Such crap.

Only takes one cell out of thousands to have a bad day.

I am glad that my mate isn’t going with a power wall for their home battery now .. I did mention that Tesla design made it prone to fires and this has proven it .. also they are way more expensive than other batteries

If they were still on the fence this should be all the evidence they need to stay away from the powerwall.

I remember last Easter my uber MAGA uncle was going on about how the house next to him with a tesla Powerwall in it had been attacked and the fire spread to his property and caused all sorts of fire damage (his home is a rowhouse in Baltimore). This was during peak Tesla Takedown. I said at the time, and it's nice to be vindicated, that it was more likely caused by Tesla's shit engineering (I think I phrased it a bit more diplomatically at the time).