I swear that I did not get this from the NYTimes Pitchbot.
When you are selling dreams and hot air, the hard facts don't matter much.
Wait for the October sales. Registrations in Europe are way down. Check: [website tracking registration of batter electric vehicles in Europe](https://www.eu-evs.com/groupCharts/TESLA/ALL/YoY-Chart)
the first month of every quarter is always shit. its always the same scam. they ramp up towards the last month of the quarter so they can report an upward trend in the earnings call. the story is as old as time with tesla now. god i hate this fucking company...
bruh didn’t you get the memo? its humanoid company. they creating infinite money glitch.
is there a non paywall version?
If the starting numbers are low its harder to ramp up, they do have to actually have willing customers, and they are diminishing.
The sales in Europe have been declining all year.
Does it matter? The sales could be down for 90-180-300 days and honestly I don't think TSLA would care.
One of the reasons I hate the company as well. Add in the catalog of unfulfilled promises and blatant lies about products... It truly makes you lose faith in meritocracy.
Probably Leon’s over seas trading bots, pumping up the stock before the shareholders meeting, to get them to approve his potential 1 trillion dollar compensation package. Nothing to see here SEC…
The fact that everything is facilitated around pushing the stock, selling dreams of an imbecile megalomaniac who overpromises and underdelivers as a habit and that there are so many people still backing this shithead nazi mf really makes me lose all faith in humanity. there are many good people in the world, but there are so many assholes supporting this kind of behaviour. we are a fucking weird species, we could live in a fucking paradise with our capabilities but we are fucking up so hard its impossible to wrap my head around why...
Because the collapse of the company is great news for the company’s investors?
I blame America and their lack of education. And don't 'actually' me. I know who's president. Again.
“Meritocracy” 😂
I know I'm old at heart. I'll need to adjust my expectations of life
They will support him as long as he "makes" them money. And as long as people keep buying TSLA at inflated prices the bag holders will believe. I too am curious what the world would be like if the multi billionaires weren't a thing
Market manipulation
Doesn’t matter how old you are, you’ve never lived under any meritocracy, which is largely a theoretical concept. I won’t speculate on your meaning, but in the US it’s mostly used to argue minorities and women are undeserving of their successes and achievements, and by the upper classes to insist their success is entirely of their own making.
>that there are so many people still backing this shithead nazi mf really makes me lose all faith in humanity Same. It's actually been a real wake-up call for me. I assumed people, especially in Western countries, would outright reject far-right extremism, white supremacy and fascism when it came around again, what with recent history, but nope. People are gluttons for the same punishment.
It's a meme stock at this point. People are simply using it as an alternative to Bitcoin.
Poly market has the odds of Musk getting the 1 trill pay package at 93%. 😭
Yeah, but the odds of him dying alone and unloved are even higher
AUTOS Tesla European Sales Slump Again. Why the Stock Is Rising. Tesla’s European sales in September were 39,837 vehicles, down 10.5%, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. Follow Barron's in Apple News Tesla stock rose again on Tuesday, just missing out on its second-best closing level ever, despite more disappointing European sales data. Investors’ focus is elsewhere these days. Tesla stock traded as high as $467, but closed at $460.55, up 1.8%, while the S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average were up 0.2% and 0.3%, respectively. The $467 price would have been the second-best close ever, only eclipsed by the $479.86 closing high on Dec. 17, 2024. Tesla’s all-time high stock price is $488.54, reached on Dec. 18, 2024. Still, Tesla stock has only closed above $460 four times. The jump came despite more weak sales data. Tesla’s September sales in the European Union amounted to 25,656 vehicles, down 18.6% from a year earlier, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. Tesla sales in the broader European region were 39,837 vehicles, down 10.5%. The drop came despite broader gains for electric cars in September. All-electric vehicle sales rose 20% from a year ago in the EU to 167,586 vehicles. Sales in the broader region rose 21.9% to 260,256 vehicles. Tesla is facing more competition in Europe. BYD’s EU sales in September were 13,221 vehicles, up 272% from a year earlier. Its European sales were 24,963 vehicles, up almost 400% year over year. Tesla’s stock rising on a European sales dip isn’t all that surprising. For starters, Tesla already reported global third-quarter sales. It delivered almost 500,000 vehicles, a record for the company. Sales in the U.S., however, were boosted by buyers rushing to beat the expiration of the $7,500 federal EV purchase tax credit. EV sales accounted for almost 12% of all new U.S. car sales in September, a record according to data provider Cox Automotive. And while September was tough for Tesla in Europe, its rate of decline is slowing down. September results left Tesla sales off 39% year to date in the EU and off 29% year to date in the European region. The biggest reason for Tuesday’s jump most likely has nothing to do with vehicle sales at all. Lately, Tesla investors haven’t been focused on the car business. Coming into Tuesday trading, Tesla stock was up 3% since the company reported weaker-than-expected third-quarter operating profit of about $1.6 billion, down 40% year over year. Instead, investors have focused on Tesla’s AI opportunities, linked to self-driving robo-taxis and humanoid robots. Why investors felt so much better on Tuesday, however, is a mystery. Other AI-related stocks are higher. Nvidia shares rose 5%, while Microsoft shares gained 2%. Tesla shares jumped 4.3% on Monday as trade tensions with China decreased. Over the weekend, negotiators developed a framework for a U.S.-Chinese trade deal that Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said could form the basis for discussion between President Donald Trump and China’s President Xi Jinping when they meet later this week. Tesla stock tends to get a little extra boost when China-related news is good. The company does a lot of business there: Sales in China accounted for more than 20% of 2024 sales. Easing tensions between the U.S. and China reduces the risk that the auto maker gets caught in the middle of a trade war.
Elon is using witchcraft
The SEC will have to answer a lot of questions when the bubble pops.
There is definitely a link to bitcoin somewhere.
thanks
answer to who? CNBC?
Probably congress, they'll have one of those show hearings where they act all surprised and upset over the fact that gullible people lost a lot of money buying into this bubble.
>Why investors felt so much better on Tuesday, however, is a mystery It's a day that ends in Y, time to pump the stock!
I do wonder what will happen when tesla starts losing money again. I guess another capital raise "so Elon can save humanity and build his robot army before evel-doers beat him to it".
Market manipulation and delusional greed.
Dreams are still selling
At this stage, it just seems like he'll just pivot onto the next big thing to generate buzz.
Did you know the concept of meritocracy was popularized by a British sociologist in 1958 who in fact satirized the concept as being a mechanism by which people born with wealth or privilege would effectively pretend they earned their position on merit, so belittling the less fortunate as being less intelligent or hardworking and hence maintaining the hierarchy where they were fortunate to be born into at the top. Sadly this satire has now come to pass as our reality, with Musk being exhibit number one.
I’m 59 years old and it wasn’t until the rise of Trump and Musk that I truly understood what gullible idiots most of the population are. I genuinely feel embarrassed and ashamed for spending the first fifty years of my life thinking most people were reasonably intelligent and capable of handling the modern world when a large majority have literally no clue.
ONE TRILLION DOLLARS
It's going to matter on the next earnings. Wallstreet has It's limits.
I do not think their final months will be good. This is a board of directors being paid in stock worth absolutely billions and maintaining that pay for as many years as possible. I think financial reporting has to indicated stock options as an expense of which it does not yet. And not showing that allows a company to indicate profits where profits would not exist if you show all expenses paid to directors/employees fully. Financials need to show this but for tax purposes you do not have to take this into consideration. As it should be.
What does Morgan Stanley say?
Elon has created the perfect scam - a feedback loop to build his enormous wealth. The steps are: 1. Pump TSLA stock through fake / exaggerated claims on FSD, new models, Robotaxis etc 2. Hire a bunch of paid pumpers who spread the same fake claims 3. Create a God like persona with cult following so ordinary folks stop questioning the lies 4. TSLA rises and giving cushion to leverage or sell the stock to fund new ventures (xAI, SpaceX) 5. Repeat
Is this meritocracy still in the room with us? That died years ago.
This is about September aka the last month of the quarter
The board are just accomplices to the fraud that is Tesla. No scheme this large is just about one man and his lies. It takes a small army to keep a dog & pony show like this alive.
It's a fantasy stock.
They are both bubbles.
Yep. With Tesla in the S&P 500 and weighted extremely high in the index funds, then regardless of earnings / facts, sense, and logic, it's almost impossible for the stock to drop in any significant way. With so many people throwing money at index funds, those index funds have no choice but to buy loads of Tesla stock, on account of its heavy weighting in those funds, simply because it just has a massive market cap. It has nothing to do with actual company performance. This index buying squeezes shorts, forcing them to cover and buy the stock, pushing the stock price up higher. I imagine shorts are always around to some extent on account of the forward PE of this company being so obscenely high, and the valuation in no way being justified by the company's real financials / guidance. Add to this clear manipulation tactics from big investors people buying up loads of call options, forcing the market makers (options sellers) to buy the underlying stock... forcing the stock price up and causing short squeezes. The more Tesla stock goes up versus the rest of the S&P 500 stocks, the higher its weighting. Most index funds automatically adjust their weighting and investments based on share price, so when Tesla's stock price goes up causing index funds to buy more Tesla stock, forcing the share price even higher. With a lot of large buy and hold forever investors, like Musk and his billionaire friends and family members, index funds, hedge funds, pensions, national wealth funds, etc... it's limiting the number of actively traded shares, so it takes fewer buyers to force the stock price up. No doubt people like Elon Musk know about this dynamic, which is why his purchase of only $1 billion in Tesla stock on the retail market caused the stock price to skyrocket as others jumped into the trade; within days the market cap of the company had jumped hundreds of billions of dollars. It takes very little to move this stock up, and a whole lot to get it to move down. This house of cards dynamic can work in reverse. As soon as there's a general market sell off with folks pulling money out of the overall market, it causes those index funds to sell all of the assets, starting with their highest weighted assets, leading to Tesla selling off rapidly and underperforming the overall market. People panic because Tesla is clearly overvalued, so they sell their calls, buy puts, sell / short the stock. As Tesla underperforms the index, its weighting is reduced, forcing index funds to sell more shares... This happened in the early 2025 market sell off. The markets corrected, with Tesla selling off at a higher percentage than the overall market. If we get another major correction, then Tesla's correction will again be worse than the market.
Don’t forget the AI bubble . 😂
Elon, the moron, and his investor friends are manipulating the market. Tesla P/E is 303 compared to Microsoft P/E which is 37. The P/E is stock Price per Earning. Telsa is inflated 800% compared to most valued company. It is a bubble that will burst anytime. This is the reason why Elon, the moron, wants $1 Trillion dollar before the burst.
Absolutely. The CEO of Ford gets about 25 million a year in full compensation. This is for a company much larger then Tesla and is equivalent to about $125 per employee. Musk alone (ignoring directors) got 25 billion. This could pay the full compensation package for the CEO of Ford for 1000 years. This is equivalent to about 250,000 dollars per Tesla employee.
A lot of people like "investing" in 🐂 💩, that's why it's going up.
TSLA hacked the investing algorithms, it's manipualting them! It's free money!
Maybe because Optimus robots will soon come and each is over $200,000.
Although sadly for all the Tesla cheerleaders in the long run facts don't care about beliefs....
Markets are rigged to favor Elon Musk
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