If tesla began selling robots at the first of the year and cyber cabs were on the market at the same time 10,000 apiece how long would it take for them to make a profit in your opi

10k would be a loss so never?

They might lose 20k per unit but they'll make it up in volume. /s

I agree. Say 100,000 a piece?

If you just want to make up unrealistic numbers, then why not a million each ? But who would pay a million or even a 100k for a robot that can’t do anything useful ? If you think it can do anything useful (now, not in 5/10/20 years) then please provide evidence.

>But who would pay a million or even a 100k for a robot that can’t do anything useful ? I introduce to you... the average CT owner

Working off hours, holidays, weekends, Etc is the easiest hypothetical evidence

Working on what ?

\>But who would pay a million or even a 100k for a robot that can’t do anything useful ? The same pretentious wankers that buy fugly "trucks" that barely have room for a couple of sixpacks.

There not enough of those to support significant sales over time, so that won’t be a sustainable business. Robots will only sell if they can do useful things like clean the house, which I’m pretty sure Optimus can’t do.

I’m not talking about price Number of units hundred thousand cabs hundred thousand robots

They can't even go but about 45 min. til the batteries shut off. The ones they demostrated at that big presentation in Austin were obviously under some kind of human control and supervision. It's all a sham to keep pumping the stock.

There will only be one customer for either of those products for a very, very long time: Tesla.

Exactly got to hold a keg or 2

My thoughts exactly

They don't have Robots anymore than they have anything resembling an autonomous car, it's all a pipe dream.

Agreed

Is this the fairy tale that Elon reads to his IVF babies at night? Who am I kidding, he doesn’t visit them except for X.

If Anna Nichole Smith was still alive, do you think I'd have a shot with her?

He’s a piece of work

Probably not but you never know when it comes to that nazi called musk no even she had limits

If pigs could fly how much would bacon cost? In your opinion

Making up things has worked well for Elon for a long time

I guess I wouldn’t be eating bacon

once you make something in high volume, the cost approaches the cost of materials and energy to produce it. Optimus has 1/30th the mass of a model 3, which costs 30k for Tesla to make Making optimus for less than 10k each is very doable

There are already useless humanoid robots on the market(mostly in china). Selling tesla branded useless humanoid robots at a loss will not move the needle.

Agreed

Tesla will sell Optimus with its own FSD that will make it sentient in one flip of the switch.... By end of next year.  I am not sure how well this new grift will catch on though.

Many of those people have 7 years loans they're struggling to pay off. No bank is going to give out long-term loan to buy a toy to an already over-extended individual.

Never. The sunk cost of autonomous taxis si so high the costs will never be recovered.

You mean how Waymo’s cars and lidar are getting much cheaper to build than Tesla fans say they are. I was in Atlanta this weekend and they were everywhere. When musk finally makes his robotaxi work (which he will)it will have very little cost advantage over Waymo

spacex and openai would buy too, to keep the public financials looking good

They won't be selling robots in the first of the year.

Of course not the price is reflected on 10 years from now maybe 20 and that’s if they even work. Tesla is now more valuable than every motorized company in the world combined minus planes and boats

Neither product exists.

The question is not well though out. Nicely put. There are no production costs since it's not a real product. There isn't a market since it can't do anything useful (barely walk). There are far superior competitors for at least 20+ years. The only pricetag ever mentioned was a 100.000. (yes I ignore the fake 20-25k given during earnings calls/interviews since that's investors bs) Might as well ask how much is a 'bag of pixie dust' worth. At least this could work as a kids toy (fyi pixies ain't real. Neither is Optimus Bonus: The Japanese Robots from 2005 https://youtu.be/cZzLAsHiGHU?si=pwYtE3_ZLhlzxE3G < Optotrash ain't this agile. During the WeRobot event it shorted several times with robots unable to finish their dance routine. ALSO. Those Optimus were BOLTED TO THE GROUND and had cables. They do not and cannot move their feet. Defeated by 20 year old TOYS a fraction of their size. Honest that's beyond embarrassing.