Not really. The worst thing that ever happened to Tesla was probably musk. Musk turned the into corporate vision into a subsidized grift that he knows will run dry in the coming months. Since musk took over, building the best car possible was never the focus. All about hype and hyperbole. Still waiting for the 2020 Roadster.
What about the 10 years of brazen fraud against customers and investors?
Investors don’t care, in fact they benefit from his lying.
You cant blame trump Elon has done a fine job of showing he's a white supremacist and actually awful at building anything.
Paywall-free: https://archive.ph/uGhqr
It was all leading up to elmo embracing rump.
Any one in a Tesla in 2025...Shame! Shame! Shame!
All of the models he has out right now sans the shit truck were the designs of the real founders. They had the 3 cars in the plans all along and musk pretends that it was his idea. The only thing he has helped to make was the truck which was a huge flop. Even the 25k small car was the founders plan. But musk turned it into a robo taxi??? Which no one was asking for but everyone wanted a small cheap ev
As long as the lying pumps the stock...
The worst thing that happened to Tesla was when Musk kicked out the original founders.
I mean, I think Elon being a criminal con man is the worst thing but being a nazi and trump dick rider is pretty bad too. Cybertruck - Failure Semi - Failure Hyperloop - Failure FSD- Failure etc.
The worst thing that’s happened to Tesla is Musk.
TSLA is up over 100% since a year ago and at an all-time high. It appears investors don't mind.
I feel this. Thing is, I cant afford another EV, and my 2015 S is paid off…
While I have no regard for Musk, the company has potential. And i love some of the design, like the gullwing doors on the X and the drive assist.
Wait until Musk is elected by maga in 2028 after he releases his copy of the Epstein files and video of J.D. literally screwing a couch.
They weren't designed by the founders, AFAIK. The original course of the company was from the founders, which was to start with the sports car, and then the expensive luxury sports sedan, onto the more affordable models. I still don't get why Tesla's $25k car was so important, being that there were other cheap EVs on the market. The Bolt at one point was going for low $20s. People were acting like a $25k Tesla would be every bit as capable as the model 3, at a significantly lower price point, without any sacrifices.
The hyperloop isn’t a failure. It’s just that it was designed to be an idea to discourage & delay high speed rail investment, not an actual physical transportation option. And it has succeeded at that.
how long is your 10 year old car battery going to last though? pretty sure they are rated for \~10 years?
If the car wasn’t worth LESS THAN HALF of what I still owe on it (‘19 M3P bought in Oct ‘22 right before the price shenanigans on the new ones and Hertz flooding the market), I would have dumped it in a second. However, my sense of ethics prevent me from having an “accident” and letting GAP sort it out. It’s too bad as it’s really a good car.
yeah but tesla diner? huge success!
They know he's lying to them, but it's okay as long as the general public believes the lie.
Age is only part of the equation. Its how well the battery has been treated thats the main factor. 1500 cycles is the estimated lifetime. Im currently at ~650 cycles. I supercharge infrequently, too. Degradation is sitting today at 8.84%. Giving ~91% usable capacity. So approx 400km real world range. The mileage on the car (its the original battery) is onky 138k km. Charging network, batteries, battery tech and driveline are the things Tesla got right. Everything else is garbage.
i wish you good luck on your estimated 20 year car battery, sir! like everything else, usually the battery or appliance dies right after its estimated lifespan / warranty . with an EV, its 10 years. tesla model s battery has an 8 year warranty in usa. even a battery and car that has never been driven, brand new. after 10 years, the battery will degrade quite badly. its not magic, just how batteries work. possibly consider selling your car while it still has good mileage and some value. which you can put into a new car.
Myself and husband are the perfect demographic for a tesla and we will never ever ever ever buy one now. Another EV? Sure.
The cult only sees that dear leader does no wrong. They won't realize it until after they drink the kool-aid, but by then it's already too late.
Anyone who enters Trumps orbit gets destroyed.
> It appears ~~investors~~ gamblers don't mind because apparently there's still greater fools to unload their bags on
FULLY SELF DRIVING is right around the corner, just wait. A little longer. Any day now, it will pull up, just wait. Oh look it’s here and in tiny print it says ^supervised
Lottery tickets are also selling well.
They’re onboard for the pumping, until it’s time to dump.
Even without trump he is not the most honest person and is quite narcissistic.
Almost ponzian in nature. Obviously not a ponzi scheme as there is revenue, but I'd be very curious what am end to end audit of his books across his various enterprises turned up
Elon Musk has revealed who he really is. No thanks.
You’re wrong. There is an interview with the original founders that planned all three of the first models after the first sports car on the lotus body. Musk forced them out and tried to take credit. And the first attempt after the other ppls work was the cyber truck. Ppl wanted a truck. He could have hit a home run. But he has never done truck shit in his life and he built that garbage truck that no one wants except loser chad-bros Beyond him being a fucking nazi…. That truck was a failure and that was all his. He took what the founders gave him and put it in the trash
100% agree. I don't want the history books to attribute TSLA's eventual fall to "Elon got political". The car lineup was stale, and sales were flat *before* he got political...the Incel Camino was a flop *before* he got political...Tesla foolishly spent its capital on fake self driving and Robot nirvana fever dreams *before* he got politcal. They're a car company...that hasn't designed a new car (Cybertruck doesn't even count with its anemic sales) in over half a decade - of course they're selling fewer and fewer of them.
Oh you. We both know that my S will be scrap long before it reaches two decades. The battery and motors might give temporary life to another S, though. Im way ahead of you on the sale thing, though. Just need to see my tax return (comes in march here in Norway) to see if I owe the taxman anything more for this year. If not, then Im hopping off this sinking ship by summer ‘26.
I voted with my wallet. I’m driving a non-Tesla EV as I write this. I would have bought the Y with FSD had Elon not gone off the rails.
bottom line, Elron did that to stop epstein files to be release, cause his on them!! Looool
He has a lot of problems. CBS says [Musk](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-alleged-drug-use-house-oversight-stephen-lynch/) was using ketamine “as often as once a day” plus mushrooms and ecstasy while advising the White House.
we will have to wait for the nat-geo documentary in 30 years, what Musk was up to in the white house will be very interesting probably
They benefit... until... they don't.
Just enough revenue to keep the dog & pony going and to keep that cattle interested.
I like elons attempt at Doge and saving free speech so much I bought my first Tesla this Sept. A model 3 performance with FSD. It's so amazing my wife ordered a model y performance coming at the end of the year. I know this sub hates Elon.. and Tesla... And trump... That fine💕 but they really are great vehicles. (Selling a Ford mache and explorer ST and my c8 Corvette). I (or the cars) can drive 600 miles combined bt 2 cars for a grand total of $1 per day. FPL home evolution.
Musk/Grok 2028!
What is $1 per day.
Stupid comment
Nah, I'm not wrong. You said it in your first sentence "planned all three of the first models"... not **designed** as you originally claimed. Yes, I'm fully aware of the history of Musk forcing out the original founders. And no, the model 3 wasn't under design development until well after the founders were gone; design work started in 2013. Tarpenning and Eberhard were forced out in 2007/2008. Model Y development came later. The founders were around during the design phase of the model S/X. I never claimed anything about the Cybertruck, so really have no idea why you're choosing to bring it up as if I did. You seem to think me correcting you about history has anything to do with my supporting Tesla. I, in fact, have been one of the most vocal critics of Tesla and Musk for years... based on actual facts, not based on make believe.
https://www.fpl.com/electric-vehicles/for-drivers/evolution-home.html?cid=seaFPL0001may24&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21261904021&gbraid=0AAAAA9omsT2BbnKAj2fFy_bRk-zMACS7o&gclid=CjwKCAjw3tzHBhBREiwAlMJoUs8pTXe7P1vaQp7cqV_KbFnR4TLFzJqxaqlPo4reoFQ8FW5_V3koFBoCJjkQAvD_BwE
Ok… this works for any EV, not specifically Tesla. You imply it’s a Tesla-only benefit. Also, you boast about 300 mile range as if only Tesla can achieve that, but basically any EV these days can do it. My bolt that is five years old can do 260 actual real world mile range. So you do you but don’t pretend it’s a Tesla flex.
I love my Tesla but I can't buy another while he's still in charge.
Tesla hate aside, the ioniq is just way better. I didn’t like the mustang much but I was really impressed with the Hyundai.
Did the original founders also plan the idiotic falcon wing doors on the model X? Or was that another genius Elon contribution?
Nope that was all Nazi musk. They had the plans set up for the first three models after the lotus. They all used their platform and they started with the high end and worked downward to get the most cash in. It’s great interview with the one of the original founders. He went to consult for VW after I believe.
im waiting for tesla magas to start blocking my diesel and gas pumps. havent seen it yet
Oh snap you got Musked!
Also: https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2025/10/cheaper-tesla-elon-musk-trump/684528/
Said dog and pony are embarrassed to be involved here.
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I don't think I could ever buy a Tesla after the weird salute at the WH. Never was a fan of his but that one action has turned me off Tesla to the point that I won't even ride in one for Uber, etc. (let alone Robo Taxi).
Not a car company. It’s a vibes company
It's not like Elon was ever sincere but this is the point when he through all morality out the door and anyone who didn't know he was a fraud finally figured it out. I had given up on Telsa at the end of 23 after seeing where Elon was leaning. I had a Tesla on reservation and was contacted by Tesla that I could complete my order. I canceled and let them know that Musk was the sole reason why. I really dodged a bullet in that my car could have become available in early 23 and I would have most likely completed the order. I happily drive a non Tesla EV now with a sticker on the back that reads "One less Tesla".
I'd say the ketamine was the worst thing
The Tesla semi in particular only around 200 on the road versus 10s of thousands of electric semi trucks on road in China. Its 50 to 1 according to deepseek with the notable Chinese manufacturers being BYD, SANY, Photon Motor, XCMG, NIO.
The Ponzi scheme had revenue. It was based on a postage stamp arbitrage that cost more to harvest the arbitrage than the value of the arbitrage so it had no chance of hitting his promised returns. Ponzi also invested in both a macaroni company and wine company looking for revenue to help legitimize his scheme. They recovered thirty cents on every dollar invested with Ponzi when the scheme was dismantled. Currently Tesla is selling some sort of robot arbitrage and taxi arbitrage.
Don’t forget the fascist salute!!!
Don't forget the Boring Company.
Elon Musk gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Donald Trump and almost certainly helped get him elected by fraudulently manipulating voting machines in order to get a position, DOGE, where he could dismantle government institutions that had at least 20 lawsuits against him and his company. He also had a personal vendetta against USAID. So Elon Musk car company is the sacrificial lamb so he could hit $500 billion and continue to do whatever he wants to do.
And their full (lol) self (lol) driving is not. Refund my $$ + for the fraud! Been waiting for six years and my old car's computer and cameras, per Elon, probably won't work When?? the software is finished. Oh, yes and Elon, Trump's pal, is a fascist billionaire.
Him being a drugged out megalomaniac came before he showed he was a Nazi.
Surely satire?
More to come of that shitty right wing political behavior as Elon and Trump kissed and made up at the Charlie Kirk memorial.
Not for nothin’ - and know I am disgusted by Musk and all he does - haven’t you seen his stock price? He will never believe he is wrong as long as he keeps getting paid like this. Nor does the stock price suggest that smart money thinks the outraged can successfully punish him.
Shame! Shame! Shame!
The $25k Tesla was important as we're past peak oil. Some people don't want sports car acceleration, or electronic do-dads with limited service life. We just want cheap to buy, maintain and insure, relatively safe commuters for urban environments. Oil's not going to be in the 50s for WTI indefinitely. By end decade, I and many others who know the exploration prospects expect it to cross into the three-digit handle and never again dip below. Gas at $7+/gallon, and sometimes lines at pumps. Those who know this now will get Prius Primes or other more affordable plug-in hybrids or entry level EVs, rather than a car so closely associated with a white supremacist nutter.
I’d never buy a Tesla.
Lmao "squinty" I love it! I'm a Model S owner myself, so here's a secret: the taillights are a huge giveaway. Red blinker = 2012-2022/3 Yellow blinker = 2023+
Awesome! Always like to have another trick up my sleeve. We’re saving this one in my house. Thank you! Edit: oh, I get it it’s a paywall breaker aggregator. Neat!
I drove a 3 years ago and I don't see how it isn't a significant sacrifice compared to similarly priced cars. No instrument cluster, no heads up display, cheap materials, ugly and a lower range. In return you get a frunk.
The $25,000 Tesla EV will be announced at the next meeting on Wednesday. This is the only hope to save the company’s revenue. But margin will be squeezed for next few quarters since no more clean energy credit money from other gas company since Trump is in office. They will have to kill off model X and S and Cybertruck soon. Model 3 and Y won’t sell well without price significantly drop to less than $35K for Y and $30K for model 3. Robotaxi is still not ready yet. xAI is another moonshot, Robots are years out before it actually can replace human workers.
Actual facts right here
As a Tesla owner who knows many other Tesla owners - this is exactly what is happening. I was ready to buy another Tesla, as were many other owners I know. After Elon's antics I don't know one person who will buy another Tesla. He ostracized his base.
Good.
Yeah but Tesla drivers don't use the blinkers so we still can't tell.
First time seeing incel camino. Fucking gold!
Weird article. Talks about USD 30,000 as a cheap EV. The price point for a cheap Euro-CAP EV outside of the US is USD 20,000.
But it is only up about 10 percent from Dec 2021. It has been a horrible stock since 2021 with just ups and downs and money shifting to the uber wealthy. No one is making money but the billions being paid out to the directors. Musk being the biggest at the hog pot.
I don't understand why so many people believe Musk is a genius when he not only did not start any of his companies, but never actually made any significant contributions to the products. Plus, he's bouncing around from one idea to another while all the real development work is done by teams of hard-working engineers. Musk is just a marketing huckster who has overpromised and underdelivered, but he's far from the first to do that. He had a somewhat unique product initially with the electric car and developed a loyal following. However, instead of putting his time and resources into improving his product, he starts jumping into other new, development-intensive, vanity projects (e.g., SpaceX and The Boring Company) and way overpaying for other companies (e.g., Twitter). Then he almost single-handedly financed the presidential campaign of and campaigned for the most divisive candidate of the current times. After Trump was reelected, Elon was put in charge of another vanity project, to recklessly and quickly gut government agencies and services to the American public. At the same time, Musk demonstrated his near total lack of business acumen in the process, just like Trump has done throughout his career. Musk is spread way too thin to significantly advance any of his widely varying companies and to be an effective business leader. Additionally, becoming a divisive political figure, especially one that drives away your customer base worldwide, is never a good business strategy. Maybe someday his investors will realize he's just another conman and that they've been played.
It wasn’t just supporting Trump, he revealed his true self as he was doing so. It was shocking.
What is truly surprising is that there is still people who believe that tesla is a real brand with real, production-level products.
Charlie Kirk is in hell. (Testing ability to comment again after ban)
It's was his Sieg Heil in camera. Europeans don't care much about maga but do care about Adolf
As a former pony, I can confirm
This why he was willing to buy the election. If Trump didn’t win, he was most likely going to prison. Even Musk’s kid knows his dad handed Trump the election.
He said as much: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-election-2024-elon-musk-suggests-hell-be-thrown-in-prison-if-kamala-harris-beats-donald-trump-in-upcoming-election-6743507
Starship. No Moon for you.
*All of the models he has out right now sans the shit truck were the designs of the real founders.* A total myth. The first real Tesla (Model S) was designed by a former Mazda stylist about five years after the founders had left. When Musk arrived the original founders were just three broke engineers trying to electrify a kit car. They had no money and didn't even own the Tesla trademark. Their 'plans' were barely beyond the whiteboard stage.
Eberhard and Tarpenning have spent years creating the MYTH that they were responsible for the success of Tesla. The truth is they were just some cash strapped engineers with NFI how to run a business trying to electrify a kit car.
>Tesla is one of the few car companies that makes money from EVs, False. All of Telsa's profit was from selling carbon credits to polluters.
Lol. Except they had working models and if it was so shit then why did musk “invest” if all they had was a kit car an nothing really innovative or special. Musk lies all the time. The ppl who made Tesla and produced a car before he even came around are the ppl I trust to tell the story. Not the Nazi dude who’s known for taking credit for other ppls work. Not just at the car company but throughout his past. When you talk to ppl that have and do work for him. They say he’s an idiot. But he has money so ppl think he’s smart.
I don’t think Musk cares as long as he’s the first trillionaire before he dies.
People have been claiming oil would run out for decades. Elon Musk used that point in early interviews as his primary justification for investing and eventually managing an EV company. Early on, he never claimed to care about the environment. It was only after government green initiatives, meant to heavily subsidize green energy products, that Musk started pushing the environmental benefits of EVs. To that point, you know it's bad when even Elon Musk does an interview with Donald Trump in 2024 claiming he was wrong about the potential for oil shortages and that there's plenty of oil left, and he was wrong about the dangers of emissions on the planet, and that we were far off from emissions becoming a major problem. The $25k Tesla had nothing to do with what "consumers" wanted. It had to do with what "investors" wanted. Afterall, cheap EVs will almost certainly generate demand regardless of which company produces them. The entire idea of the $25k Tesla came up during battery day, when Musk, spending sequential years touting world disrupting best in class vaporware, got on stage and touted his best and cheapest in the world battery tech (coming soon), with structural batteries (coming soon), and new production processes (coming soon). Investors believed this would magically enable Tesla to offer a $25k product at high profitability that no other company company could compete with... thus just a few months later (in early 2021), leading to Tesla/Musk pushing the idea that they'd see a 50% CAGR of vehicle sales from 2020-2030, resulting in Tesla selling over 20 million new vehicles annually by 2030. This was also around the time Tesla started reporting large gross vehicle profits, (which I'd argue had more to do with the pandemic and reduced global vehicle supply that increased average vehicle sale prices than anything else, as Tesla's gross vehicle margins are currently proving now that the shortage is over), so investors presumed that a $25k Tesla would be heavily profitable. The importance of the $25k Tesla had everything to do with investors wanting to get rich... The fact is, to get a $25k Tesla would require sacrifices in equipment. A $25k gas car has the same "range" as a $50k gas car and can be filled up just as fast. A $25k EV may necessitate a smaller battery which may have less range and slower charging speeds than a more expensive EV with a larger battery. To get a $25k EV with the same range and charging speed would necessitate a larger battery and significantly less profit per sale. So basically it's equivalent to a $15k mass market ICE that generates no profits for companies, and really has minimal benefit to the stock price of the OEM producing them. Thus... why Musk does not want to produce a $25k EV.... Musk only cares about the share price. Meanwhile, like I said, other companies were offering cheaper EVs. Yes, small and less capable than a Tesla. Very few people bought them...
ETTD
What happened to his letting millions of poor children die by killing USAID?
Plus 1 for Incel Camino
A lot of Ponzi schemes have revenue. For example, Richard Madoff made millions that he used to pay himself and investors that wanted out. What would be the point of a Ponzi scheme with no revenue? Maybe look up what a Ponzi scheme is, as you’d be hard-pressed to find an expert who agrees with you.
Maybe don't drive and Reddit, bud
You’re not making sense. Bud.
Two weeks
It's almost like Musk isn't a genius and is just living off of his bad ideas and crony capitalism.
Will never happen even some analyst thinks he’s cooking the books. A Peter Paul situation
Ditch the zero and hire a hero...and you may be able to save the sinking ship Ala flex seal.
You know, say what you will, but as a parent with young kids, I've loved the falcon wing doors. I know some people had problems with them, but in five years we've never had any major issues. Still, can't wait to get rid of this thing in favor of a vehicle that isn't backed by a fascist.
No, the worst thing is Elon Musk's embrace of Elon Musk. His narcissism is destructive.
I expect to never buy a Tesla or use X products in my lifetime.
they had the original Roadster that all the celebrities drove.
Announced again? Is it already Groundhog Day 🎥🍿?
Would love for you to lay that out🙄
Yep I was planning to get a used Tesla Plaid now that the prices have come down, but Musk's embrace of Don-Old, Doge, and the salute made the brand toxic. Note I met Musk twice at my workplace, where we were designing and building subassemblies for the Merlin rocket engine. He was a jackass then, but he mostly got a pass because he was writing the checks and rockets are cool.
If you like ”Incel Camino” you may also like: * Deplorean * Killverado * Dumbvee * Swasticar * Klanborghini * DeathDumpster * Wankpanzer * White Power Wagon
There are plenty of good used batteries out there. And a fair number of independent EV repair shops so you don’t have to purchase anything from Tesla. The batteries are still expensive, but not prohibitively so for the average Tesla owner..
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