FSD V14.1 First Drive

EDIT: It's Canada - all speeds are in fact km/h not MPH! Dipped back in again. FSD had become hopelessly confused and kept disengaging. Just disengaged again as I was typing that! Seems to be mainly fanboys in the chat, which hopefully you can scroll back and see if you catch this after the live stream has finished. They seem to be very disappointed. Just now one summed it up with "​​this seems clearly worse than v13 in everything that they can both do", which is what I had been thinking. EDIT: Dipped back in again. This time it was on a city road with a couple of narrow lanes. It was in the right-hand lane, very close to the sidewalk. At night, in a city street. Posted limit 60. It was hurtling along at 74. Surface not very good so it was bouncing around a bit. Speeding, at night, next to a sidewalk. No other cars, so why not take the lane further from the sidewalk? Looked super dangerous to me. City centre. Small hours drunk pedestrians could easily stumble off the sidewalk! EDIT: Dipped back in, again. In a hospital car park. Drives past a perfectly visible max speed 8 ~~MPH~~ km/h sign at 16 ~~MPH~~ km/h, then, trying to park, started to drive into the exit of a parking area, with a perfectly clear, large, one-way arrow on the road pointing out. Driver grabbed the wheel just in time. All while speeding, in a hospital car-park. And these are just snippets I've seen, dipping in-and-out for a few minutes each time. [Marvelous](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU5dJ1A7Oz0). EDIT (final): Tuned back in and caught him ending the video. Car got stuck in an infinite loop and drew the attention of some Park Rangers who pulled up behind him at a closed gate. They had a chat with him, he was charming and said he had stopped to test something. I had honestly thought it was quite likely he'd be pulled over at some point, or crash; the driving had seemed that erratic to me. I hear so many fans say how great FSD is, but every time I have watched a live stream, which is this, and the Austin robotaxi launch videos, I see an awful lot of dangerous driving.

Wasn't this supposed to be ten times better than the version before, with ten times more processed data or some shit like that 😂

Well if their 10x was over Gameboy Camera level data processing, they're not lying. Time to get a bunch more Nvidia chips powered with burning orphans to keep Grok training.

Elon says he can fix it, but it's gonna cost you a trillion dollars

Expected as the Robotaxi is heavily trained in robotaxi areas, of course it gets confused in other places...

Maybe you voted no as a shareholder

Speeding through hospital parking lots is part of Elon's eugenics-inspired plan to execute the infirm

Sorry it might be because I’m non native speaker, but what does “dipping in” mean?

FSD sucks worse now than it ever has. Fucking unusable.

The video was still live when I was making those observations. I would watch a few minutes, see something awful, then stop watching while I typed something about it. This use of the phrasal verb 'to dip in' probably comes from the concept of briefly dipping your toes into the water to see if it is warm or cold, which you might do before contemplating swimming in the sea, for example. Here I was, repeatedly, dipping into the video (i.e. watching for a few minutes) to see how FSD was getting on. I probably described it like that to emphasise how I only needed to watch for a short time to see something concerning.

Fuck this evil, defective, dangerous tech.  And fuck the assholes testing it out on a non-consenting public.

He just can't get out of bed anymore if there isn't a billion dollars lining his breakfast of ketamine and adderall to take the edge off.

version 69.420 will be mindblowing, believe me. if this version is "sentient" should it not be able to COMMUNICATE

🤣🤣🤣

“Almost Sentient”. As stated by Leon. lol.

Bro, its AI now. Elon said so

I opened up the video again to see if the chat was still visible. It isn't, unfortunately. However, while I was there I thought I'd click randomly into it and found myself watch as FSD did a u-turn, which the driver said was illegal in Canada, at least where he was. Can they even fix this kind of issue in an end-to-end neural network system? Do they have to rely on FSD noticing that drivers in Canada tend to avoid u-turns? Given there is obviously more data from the USA, where they are more commonly legal, as I understand it, I simply can't see this approach is likely to lead to the law being followed properly, surely a prerequisite for the unsupervised autonomy approvals Tesla would appear to be reliant on obtaining to have any kind of future.

I don't think elon or his engineers think FSD will work. For elon, it's to pump the stock up. For his engineers, they wish he'd let them use radar and lidar again, but in doing so would mean they're admitting elon was wrong that FSD would work with cameras only.

I also didn't understand as a native speaker - it’s not a normal usage of “dipping in”

It will work perfectly fine next year /s

Agreed - my operating theory is less than a dozen people on the planet actually believe FSD will ever "work" as advertised - and not one of those people work at TSLA...not even the BOD or Technoking. Its just full on grift mode at this point.

>Overall if FSD V14.1 has become sentient When I first saw it reported that fELon said that, all I could think was "that explains why the cars keep trying to kill themselves".

Quite likely it is not normal in the dialect of English you are used to. I'm English. I make some effort to type 'sidewalk' rather than 'pavement' in posts here, for example, because more people will understand it, even though we'd always call what is called a sidewalk in the US a pavement here in England. This use of 'dip' may be more common in England, and with 'into' rather than 'in': [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dip-into](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dip-into) "UK to read small parts of a book or magazine: It's the kind of book you can just dip into." I have applied the same concept to a YouTube video. I first used the phrasal verb when I wrote "I have only dipped in and out a couple of times". I could have written it as "I have only dipped into and out of the video a couple of times" but that would have been verbose. The context made the meaning clear to anyone familiar with the definition as I quoted above, and I expect most unfamiliar would be able to guess the meaning given it is based on an obvious metaphor.

It could be specific to their area, or a different province. But U-turns in general are not illegal in Ontario (and I assume most of the rest of Canada). It is a good question though. Different regions do have localized rules. Montreal for example doesn't allow right turns on red lights. I wonder if FSD knows and obeys that.

Did you do something smart like recalibrating your cameras while in FSD mode? Or did you just start whining?

Ok fair I had not heard that usage. As someone who has had the experience of living in countries where I'm not a native speaker I just wanted the other commenter to know even I didn't understand it and I'm a native speaker. I'm also fairly familiar with British English having living not in the UK but other parts of the commonwealth but I guess you learn something new every day :)

The video was made in British Columbia, somewhere near Vancouver, and the driver commented it was illegal as it made it, saying that if it hadn't been 3 o'clock in the morning he'd have disengaged. As for the problem in general, I think they will, surely, have to abandon the end-to-end neural network approach and allow hard coding, even if only to implement laws, especially when they can change, both due to location, and over time.

Agreed. I think the Apple engineer who died using FSD in California should have been a warning years ago. That was the day people should have realized elon has no respect for anyone's life other than his own.

Sentient!

Junk

And it isn't ?? /s We are also already fully loaded to go to Mars next year as Elon also said so... It's all "blablabla" for his fanboy's to pump up those stocks so he can dump them

Taking a quick dip, dipping in, and dipping out mean to get in and get out quickly. In similar vein there is popped in, as in "I popped in for a second." It means to stop by to basically say hello.

He's gone well past edge lord into full white supremacist since his dick joke of a self-driving geofence. He won't let it get better until he reaches version 14.88.

one more quarter bro

AP not FSD. But yeah he took one for the team. The merge lane he crashed into surprised me last decade too, it was really shit design by CalTrans. So I assign them 1/3 the blame, 1/3 for the Apple guy for not paying attention, and 1/3 to the Tesla engineers who wrote that crap code. https://imgur.com/YOKt6sj ^ the merge lane

Is a “car park” a parking lot? This sounds British

U turns are illegal in Alberta at traffic lights (not that the locals seem to care)

car park /ˈkɑː pɑːk/ noun British English noun: car park; plural noun: car parks; noun: carpark; plural noun: carparks an area or building where cars or other vehicles may be left temporarily. "please park in the allocated car park and not in the road"

Thought about googling it, but figured I’d get a response here as fast. I did!

>I think they will, surely, have to abandon the end-to-end neural network approach and allow hard coding, even if only to implement laws... As someone who has worked in safety-critical systems engineering, they will have to completely remove any kind of AI from the system if they ever want to have a robust autonomous vehicle. A "black box" that does not consistently produce a known, predictable output for a given set of inputs is fundamentally incompatible with any safety-critical system.

Dipping in and out in this context makes perfect sense to me. Not sure if it's proper English but as an American I understood exactly what you meant and would have used the same words to describe what you were doing.

It's supposed to feel sentient, according to our Lord and savior Elon

Funny thing is, we've all watched so many US movies and TV we all understand almost all Americanisms here in England, but the other way 'round it is less likely. I do try to use the Americanism when I remember to, as it obviously makes my posts and comments more readable on a forum such as this one where more readers will be Amercan than British. For example I'd've said films rather than movies elsewhere. I keep to British spelling in the main, though, as that is less likely to cause confusion.

> I think they will, surely, have to abandon the end-to-end neural network approach and allow hard coding Absolutely.

Isn't it tea related? As in you dip the teabag. Being British, I can be a bit partial for a touch of Assam.

Good to know. I feel like that's not uncommon as it can cause confusion.

He's managed to stay awake and is out-and-about live streaming again: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPGWvlZZ5E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPGWvlZZ5E) \- as I type more errant behaviour; he's literally saying he doesn't think this version should be made more widely available - lots of slamming on of brakes going on.

Hey now, Elon said [2,360 days ago](https://elonmusk.today/) there would be a million fully autonomous taxis in a year. We’re close, right guys?

FWIW, I can't specifically recall ever having heard "dipping" in the context of periodic viewing of a live event, but I completely understood its meaning. I'm convinced that TikTok has rotted kids' brains. /GrumpyOldMan'd

Ceylon or GTFO.

This is the equivalent of Apple trying to use every new iOS as a reason the stock should be worth more. They don’t do that but if they did everyone would think they’re insane. Absolute incel behavior.

Maybe they added 10x more data from Tesla drivers and this is just the result of them being shitty and reckless drivers. That would also explain why they always claim that FSD is great and drives better than "a human".

OK. Agree. From what I remember, the Apple guy was actually sleeping and reclined his chair before his car crashed. But yeah, that road design is a no go. I think roads like that usually have an impact barricade.

it did but it got hit every week so Caltrans hadn't repaired it

Wow. OK. That's dangerous then. That divider will literally divide any car if a car drove fast enough and hit it dead center.

is there any improvement for EAP? cause we cant use fsd at europe..

I think Elmo's stubborn approach with using vision only is the key reason FSD seem stuck at L2 forever. To get L4/L5 autonomous driving the vehicle needs to be significant better than human as the there is no tolerance for a robot caused fatality. The machine needs something more sophisticated mechanism than vision to better its defensive driving and enable true emergency response mechanism.

That and the equally stubborn end-to-end neural neural network nonsense. They need to hard code for e.g. traffic laws!

Doesn't sound like its a bad idea to not allow it.

I can only imagine the idiots testing this in Australia recently and how fast they will lose their licence with our many hidden and mobile speed Cameras. Can't happen soon enough.

I must admit I am somewhat surprised FSD was approved in Australia. You seem to have stricter laws there than e.g. the UK, erring on the side of safety. I am sure FSD is fun, but it seems to me it requires full attention, but by its very nature is almost bound to reduce it. Was it a political thing, perhaps?