Tesla investors against Musk's billion-euro package: Board criticised

It’s ridiculous so is he. To cocky. Like everybody else we could all have dreams and aspirations doesn’t mean they’re gonna work out

Whats the Problem his wishes are down to earth. Surely he ends worldhunger after puppet theatre ends.

Lol we shall see

His empire will crumble and he'll be seen as the fucking fraud he is.

I can’t imagine driving a Tesla around. Unless you’re aligned with extremists and far right ideology, buying a Tesla means your money supports and empowers a figure whose public actions actively undermine your values. Then again, most people put their morality to the side if it presents them with some sort of inconvenience. Let’s pretend for a second that you have no moral compass and don’t care who you support politically and how you’re viewed. Beyond that, despite the premium price tag, Teslas are notorious for inconsistent build quality; including issues like misaligned body panels, poor paint finish, and interior rattles. Furthermore, the after-sales service is slow, uncommunicative, and inadequate in its ability to handle the sheer volume of vehicles on the road. Then you add in the deception and snake oil sales; Tesla is facing extensive investigations and lawsuits over exaggerating the capabilities and safety of its driver-assistance systems, branded as "Autopilot" and "Full Self-Driving" (FSD). This is deceptive marketing that risks lives on public roads, and there are numerous documented cases of safety incidents tied to these systems. The cars have an over reliance on technology while having a lack of basic features. The touchscreen creates a single point of failure with basic functions often hidden behind multiple menus, then you have the most brutal safety criticism of them all; the door handles. Loss of power is a critical failure point in an accident. Most Teslas use electronic door handles and when a major accident occurs, the low voltage system fails and the doors become inoperative trapping people inside. While there is a manual “solution,” it’s inadequate and dangerous. The small mechanical lever by the window switches or the rear seat cables or levers are often hidden and can be hard to find with smoke or panic setting in. Worse so for the elderly or children. You have to lift a carpet / mat in the door pocket to release the cable. Tesla used to be the only game on the block but now the competition has largely caught up. BYD is outselling Tesla globally already. Even though the Chinese models will not be available to those in the U.S., you can still buy an affordable EV with much better build quality, broader selection of body styles, equivalent or superior range and charging speed (800V Kia and Hyundais charge fast af!)… The reasons are numerous. The one advantage Tesla still has that will likely be eroded with time is the supercharger network. That’s it imo. Full self driving is a pipe dream that won’t ever come to fruition unless Elon makes a 180 and decides to embrace LIDAR and multi-sensor suites. Tesla will someday go the way of Nokia, MySpace, IBM; they were all market leaders at one time and industry champions that revolutionized the world. Now? Not so much. Don’t even get me started on the Government subsides, without which Tesla would have failed and wouldn’t exist. Elon should really thank Obama for that!

I dont think so with high certainty

“After an annual growth rate of 32 per cent between 2019 and 2023, Tesla's revenue grew by only one per cent in 2024.” Say less, give Elon a trillion dollars. 😂

Agreed

Who is propping up the stock? China is now the innovator. What products is Tesla going to release that warrants pumping the stock? I don’t get it. Teslas best days are behind it.

It’s powered by [imagination](https://youtu.be/VbPWe9U4uPU?si=FlHb83fiWLz8uZep)… ^And ^ketamine

Next level juvenile nonsense.

There’s a TON of what appears to be manipulation of this stock in the options markets.

Here's hoping. At some point enough people will catch on that the board might actually have to listen.

Him buying a billion $ worth is manipulation. The numbers are poor, they have good delivery #s in 3rd street but that doesn't necessitate sales. Im dumb founded at how the stock has done so we all unless shorts a r e covering

It's going to be very interesting when this is all over who was manipulating the stock to such an insane extent.

Since the summer hasn't the stock risen by two hundred dollars though? Not arguing. I think he's pos. But we all know in this sub something dodgey as fuck is going on. Sure hope you're right earlier than never.

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Next time he asks for 500billion and talk about modesty

"of what appears" Solar Shingles. Roadster. Taxis earning you 35k. To name 3 of many. This IS FRAUD. No sugarcoating it

I can't tell if investors are just ridiculously stupid and out of touch like they really believe all the smoke and mirrors, or if they are really just relying on the information that Elmo puts out there and just plan to sue every time there's something fake or misleading.

When boards start treating vision as infallibility, governance stops doing its job.

Sorry for not being as straight-forward as I should be. 😂😂😂

The sad thing is, the stock would probably do ok even without the fraud. But Musk's ego wouldn't allow it.

That’s a funny way to spell Saudi Arabia

If you have some spare brain bleach, check out the Elon musk sub. People lineup to profess the amount of sucking off they will do for him.

Both.

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What’s wrong you don’t like people calling out a drug fueled illegal immigrant, committing crimes?

Robotaxis taking people at 130MPH under Las Vegas for only $1, hyperloops, trips to mars by 2024, humans pretending to be dancing robots, and of course FSD.

It's a bubble.

\> What products is Tesla going to release that warrants pumping the stock? Mountains and mountains of lies and propaganda.

Look at the guy at the top.

It's worth maybe $5 based on sound fundamentals which are quickly falling apart.

Dreams and aspirations are fine be when you turn them into promises, you had better be able to back them up.

I'm sure many investors are suckers but I think a lot of them are just gamblers trying to ride the wave under the delusion that they can get cash out quickly when the bubble starts to burst. Many of them will be in for a big surprise.

I know he is but he isn't going to be the only one.

It's propped up for sure. But this bubble has been going on for a few years now. It's crazy.

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The letter is spot on, but this has been the case for many years now. At some point you have to call out the investors for even being in it in the first place. If I was invested in a major pension group, I’d be ringing these managers up for having any of my retirement dollars tied up in this charade.

I can’t wait. I hate shitheel grifters like Musk. I wish we could get rid of creeps like Thiel and Altman as well.