Tesla Has The Highest Accident Rate Of Any Auto Brand

3.5 accidents per 1000 drivers more than the RAM, for any insurance company that should keep the car out.

Do you think your insurance company is gonna let you use your Tesla as a cab good luck. Tesla says they want to let you put it under their insurance that’s not gonna happen smoke and mirrors folks smoke and mirrors.

It is not the car but the drivers and/or Autopilot/FSD.

who knew giving that much power and torque to the everyday driver was a bad idea?! also fsd is trash

I love when data supports my anecdotal evidence. I drive around northwestern Oregon all day for work and see more stupid reckless Tesla drivers than any other brand.

I wouldn’t get in one or allow my family to. Between the glorified autopilot and the door handles that trap you in fires, I’m going to pass. Safety actually means something to me; we get one life.

Well that would be another reason why car insurance is so expensive for Teslas.

TBH the Tesla drivers I see typically drive in an entitled manner similar to BMW drivers

Drivers aren't the car, but Autopilot/FSD kinda are 😉

>Tesla’s cars are once again involved in the most accidents according to a study by LendingTree insurance. No mention of NTHSA. Huh?!

Hey now, I’ve at least seen Tesla folks use their turn signals

Teslas don't have turn signal stalk for a reason.

That was probably someone using AP/FSD

Who knew saying FSD was safe than humans would lead people to pay less attention while using it.

They're crazy on the german autobahn as well. It's like the worst 10% of BMW Audi and Mercedes drivers all switched over to Tesla. after a construction zone they accelerate as fast as possible, but 5 minutes later you overtake them while you're going 130km/h. when you want to enter the left lane with a Tesla 50m behind you on the left lane they'll accelerate as soon as you put on the blinker And the worst is Tesla allowing you to adjust the headlights yourself, so many have their lights adjusted waaaayyy too high and blind everyone

And it only takes 5 touches on the center screen!

Combination of bad drivers with too much power and a driver assistance package which is mislabelled as Full Self Driving. Musk should be locked up for that one for a start.

Tesla is maiy for people that don't enjoy driving. Everyone who praises FSD just means they don't know how to drive.

Not defending FSD but fully autonomous driving will the norm one day and you'll pay premium insurance if you want to drive your oldtimer by yourself because it's way more risky. Mark my words (well unless we bomb ourselves back into the stoneage before it happens).

And when Tesla is in an accident, it locks all the doors to make sure all passengers cannot escape

One would guess an advanced driver assistance package would make it safer anyway, even if the drivers were rubbish.

Only if the ADS works reliably. Given the duration of testing between updates, I suspect all the testing would have been done using AI simulation. So the ADS can only be as good as the AI simulation. See where this is all converging towards?

Unsafe rubbish cars, with shitty drivers relying on their supposed advanced driver assistance..

You could keep reading the article and than find out that NHTSA is mentioned.

I hope insurance premiums reflect this and sky rocket for the owners.

I’d be a lot happier if this was adjusted for mileage and type of accident. If rams are crashing every 1,000,000 miles and the claims are for cosmetic damage while the Tesla’s are every 200,000 and wrote offs it is very different

I hate those blinding headlights with a passion

Is it because of bad car or bad drivers, tough?

Whoops. Apologies.

Yes, but the comment you're replying to was not referring to actual working autonomous vehicles, which already exist and drive very safely on our roads. It was talking about the marketing mischaracterization of FSD and how it misleads users into thinking it's capable of more than it actually is.

Autopilot is dangerous af

What

Yes

... until they've all got their story straight.

Tesla drivers must have a German car inferiority complex. I have a little, underpowered 2010 base Cayman that no 911 driver would ever be jealous of… I drive it pretty spiritedly though & every Tesla driver feels the need to straight line pass me then slow down because their car handles for shit. I had the displeasure of renting a ModelY while visiting Norway this past week & it was the most annoying car I’ve ever driven. It’s a car for people who want their lives controlled by a tech company. Lane assist pushing me into an oncoming motorcyclist when I tried to give him more room by hugging the white line. Not letting me drive because the suitcase in the back seat didn’t have a seatbelt. Oh you want to turn the car off? Eff you, just get out & walk away. I know the tech is supposed to be kewl but what kind of sad person wants to give a tech company this much control over their lives? I’d rather have a rusted out 1970’s VW/Porsche 914 than a loaded Tesla… And deep down inside every Tesla owner knows their car is dumb AF.

The headlights are fucking infuriating. Not just when you meet an oncoming Tesla, but when they’re behind it’s even worse.

Prob because they're all tech bros and morons driving them rather than people intrested in driving that would never touch one of those peices of shit. I think they said it on top gear once, those not intrested in driving are no good at it.

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We are probably at least 2,3 decades away from that though.

Tersla also has the highest rate of being  burnt to death with the doors locked too.

TBF, that's just Oregon drivers. Brand has nothing to do with it.

The lane assist really doesn’t work properly. What you described happens all the time. I turned it off. Oh, and if you like lane assist but have too many lane assist interventions in a drive it will turn off entirely because you “aren’t paying attention” or some nonsense. I haven’t figured out how to override that for other family members who want the lane assist on.

I actually met someone who admitted they bought a Tesla because they are a really terrible driver, and they said FSD does a better job. In their case maybe FSD is reducing the accident rate, but everyone else’s insurance rate will be fucked if too many people like that buy Teslas

Here, in my province in Canada, it really feels like all the worst drivers, the ones who used to drive BMW series 3 cars must have all switched to Teslas.

Elon says You’re gonna be able to put your cabs on Teslas insurance to make money while you’re sleeping

I wonder how much of this is tesla making it hard to keep eyes on the road vs having to fiddle with the large display panel. And voice texting, navigating etc. on tesla is awful without carplay or android auto, so people are constantly using their phones too.

insurance companies have that down to precise science and have for decades. the ones that didn't? they aren't in business anymore.

Important note, these numbers come from LendingTree’s insurance quote request data, not official crash reports, so they only reflect drivers who shop LT coverage. Because many Teslas are insured directly through Tesla’s own program, those drivers aren’t in the sample, and accidents involving robotaxi operations will not be included. What I’m saying is those numbers are probably actually higher.

But Tesla own mileage tests without accidents says Tesla is safest car of all. So are Tesla fanboys repeating same bullshit. So who should we trust?

The company is trash and the leadership is trash but I still enjoy accelerating over any ice car driving to work. Apologies.

If Tesla's have more accidents because people are using FSD and Autopilot it shoots down Elon's claim that they are safer than humans.

I have the acceleration boost from a referral I leave that shit off because it's too fun but way too dangerous It stays in chill mode

If you have driven one you will know why. They are faster than shit!

a used tesla model S plaid is the most go faster car you can get for your money so that is what certain segment of people are going to get. it is cheap enough that with financing most people with a job can get one. so what you get is a lot of people who couldn't afford a top tier model of BMW, Audi or Mercedes nor do they have the knowledge to get a older top tier model to maintain can just hop into a Tesla and get that performance. what used to be a cost prohibited amount of speed anybody can get and this is what happens.

They do. The national average death rate is 2.6 per billion miles. Tesla is double at 5.6 deaths. Model Y is at 10.6 deaths per billion miles. That means you are 4 times more likely to die in a crash in a model Y than the average vehicle. The dodge brand has 4.4 deaths per billion miles.

plus the ratio of assholes driving teslas took a steep increase over the last year. all the non assholes stopped buying them.

And it shows

Unsurprising, since they handle so poorly and they have the giant iPad distraction device

I think the headlights came way to high

> worst 10% of BMW Audi and Mercedes drivers all switched over to Tesla It makes sense. BMW/Audi/MB drivers that are car enthusiasts will not drive a Tesla because it is not a driver’s car. BMW/Audi/MB drivers that care about the fashion/branding aspect while not caring about driving is exactly who would be attracted to Tesla. And it’s in a similar price range to capture that market.

…and you paid the subscription for the “open doors” feature.

Who knew that having doors that can’t be opened in an emergency would be a safety risk?

Bad drivers are especially attracted to bad cars.

It’s not the car that causes the accident it’s the driver. As a Tesla owner and seeing the types of people who buy a Tesla and can’t even put air in their tires, I can believe it. One in the forums yesterday ran into a fence because the proximity sensor didn’t beep for them so they kept driving. Take idiots, hand them a car with driver ASSISTANCE features, and they don’t have the basic brain function to know it’s an assistance device which means you still need to pay attention and take over if needed. There is a very good reason it’s BETA self driving because it’s not fully autonomous.

Found this in the comments section of the article: "This analysis gets the relationship backwards. Lending Tree's data is for insurance quotes, and it doesn't show that Tesla drivers have accidents, it shows that people with accidents in their driving history request quotes for Teslas, meaning that they're considering buying a Tesla, presumably because it has remarkably good safety ratings and track record. The vehicles with the highest fatality rates are in fact not Teslas at all. Study Claimed Tesla Had Highest Fatality Rate of Any Car Brand – But Is It True? | Snopes.com "The nonprofit Insurance Institute for Highway Safety included three Tesla models in its most recent analysis of driver fatality rates (of 2020 and equivalent model year vehicles), none of which ranked in the report's top 20 cars with the highest rate of driver death In fact, the IIHS ranked Tesla's Model Y as 2024's top pick for safety."

Is there real statistics to back up the headline?

Very limited autonomous vehicles

Could it be because there are a lot of inexperienced drivers driving vehicles which much more torque than they can handle, or using one pedal driving when they are already conditioned to two pedal driving?

Have you driven a Tesla?

Same but in western Washington.

They all fall back on this helpless man baby defense when pressed. “It’s still better than bad drivers.” “I drive extremely long distances and can’t stay safely focused the whole time like FSD.” “I get *soooo* stressed by my commute and really rely on FSD to handle traffic” Fucking self indulgent pussies.

I really appreciate your response. I know I have a bad attitude & obviously I’m a control freak… but man it was driving me crazy.

Any EV will do that.

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Tbh driving mostly 130 because it’s the speed limit w my Tesla on the AB but if I’m allowed to use the much superior acceleration I actually keep up with cars driving 150-160. Basically I always have to wait two extra minutes for an ICE Oldtimer every 20 Minutes when driving because they don’t go right when there is an opportunity to make space - he’s like I’m accelerating so I’m good. But they’re never good. You can make good time by driving the recommended speed and accelerating to the fullest with an EV.

Inflaming comment coming: LOL right. I don’t think EV drivers care about ICE, the driving pattern is different because light speed acceleration and low range. If I’m driving 400km I’m not going to be at 200 always.

I’ve only ever lived in Oregon and Washington. In general Oregon drivers are just as bad as Washington drivers in our own way, but Washingtonians (or Seatteites to be more specific) consistently drive 20-40 mph over limit and road rage at you if you stick to 5-10 over. I have no idea which state is statistically worse, but WA feels more dangerous as a driver. At the end of the day, tho, we’re all bad drivers to an extent and any notion we have that we’re better at driving than most people is dumb and possibly dangerous.

first, thanks for sharing. Just wondering whether it was a new Model Y 2025 (restyle) or a previous model?

I believe it was the older model

exactly. I had a displeasure of driving electric Citroen C1 and it was accelerating faster 0-60 than any ICE SUV. It's nothing do with a brand but a torch moment of an electric engine.

right, fsd is very limited. Requires a driver, in the car, in the driver seat, watching everything, ready to intervene when it decides to try killing you.

obviously the guy who said it can drive from la to nyc by itself “this/next year”…for the past ten years

tesla obfuscates their data, very difficult to analyze.

the world needs more babies, but we don’t need musk babies

> what used to be a cost prohibited amount of speed anybody can get and this is what happens. Please - stop normalizing what Teslas do as “speed”. They accelerate quickly. They can’t maintain high speeds, they handle for shit, and they are severely under-braked. Teslas are quick, but they are the furthest thing from fast.

I would hope the government is at least tracking fatalities. The car insurance companies should also be tracking accidents.

The combination of ignorant, stupid people & FSD is a bad one. Same goes for the power/acceleration of a Tesla. I’ve counseled new Tesla owners to take time & care to understand how much power they have at their command. The vast majority of owners haven’t had that advice.

Is it because they encourage their dumb flock of sheeple to not look at the road while driving by pretending the car can safely drive itself??

They don't handle badly. At leas the non-Cybertruck models. The low battery pack definitely helps center of gravity and body roll. Are they over-powered for the tires they're given and under-braked? Probably, but they're likely more stable/safer than say an AMG G-Wagon or Ram TRX which is the type of performance they have in a straight line. It's just a shit load of power when these people were usually driving Camrys or Priuses before.

This is despite the half million users of the supposed life-saving FSD and autopilot. Almost as if they're a safety liability.

"Let's blame the people instead of the manufacturer". Rules special made for Tesla cultists. How about a big F you, for ignoring the unsafe driver's assist software, and hidden manual door releases.

No. It's the vehicles and the driver assistant software. The horrific fire deaths alone, would qualify.

I'm not supportive of Tesla at all. You can see any # of my posts whether its their deceitful methodology of comparing airbag pops (they receive data on) vs. general population crashes, their deadly door handle designs, or their decade long lies about self driving which have caused plenty of deaths. By the numbers, they don't do that badly at least new: [https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a65562450/2026-tesla-model-y-long-range-awd-test/](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a65562450/2026-tesla-model-y-long-range-awd-test/) They're fast, hold the road pretty decently, and brake reasonably at least their current line up. In the hands of someone accustomed to a 200hp 4 cylinder RAV4, these things can be quite deadly though. You can get yourself to very dangerous velocities much faster than the ICE vehicles they replaced which creates far longer braking distances.

Very interesting! So you want to say that Tesla drivers do this on purpose, right? (Block others)

New drivers with way too much power under their foot and too little sense in their heads.

Just this report will have the stock go up 200 dollars 😂 it's this crazy right now

EVs, including Teslas, are less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles.

BuT V14 WiLl FiX eVeRyThInG!

Reckless and careless owner of company doesn’t care about quality, customers, or accidents/deaths.

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Yeah if you aren't safe to drive then pay somebody to give you a lift.

I thought it was the safest car.

the thing is non of that matters to the person getting a Tesla for speed. they aren't going to track race the thing. they want to floor it in a straight line to show how "cool" they are with there fast car. it is the same selling point American muscle cars used to sell so well. fast in straight line steering like a truck.

It's not surprising that those people are drawn to performance cars.

you bought an unsafe Nazi car? why?

Can’t lock him up, best I can do is a trillion dollar pay raise

Can we throw some hookers and depressing drugs his way?

[He’s all set](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/yrbyvAOZfc) on that front

And they're just the ones you know about

Oh about that, the Chinese Gov't changed rules on these retracting door handles. Too many emergencies where the door was stuck...

If they are real drivers, they would not drive a Tesla.

Don’t worry, I’m jealous. It’d still be a pretty nice car to have

Not true. Tesla is 10% safer. Elon told us this.

Someone passed your car and you had a tantrum?

IMO this is due to people trusting a system to do something that it was never designed to do. The cars aren’t inherently unsafe, IMO it’s more the fault of the end user. Of course, one could also argue that Tesla is throne who perpetuates this misunderstanding.

Probably the stupidest drivers.

Vancouver BC here. Canada's biggest concentration of Teslas. Teslas being involved in insane and improbable accidents like driving through store fronts is a common meme. The poor lady who owned the Rice Hot Dog shop in Richmond was behind the sales counter at the back of the shop and became a quadriplegic thanks to a Tesla sailing through the entire shop and landing on the till.

So much for ‘more reliable than a human driver’ 🤦‍♂️

Your words remind me of Kawasaki's 750cc "Mach IV" motorcycle from the early 70s. It's acceleration (far quicker than anything else at that time) was (and is) legendary. It's flexible frame, poor weight distribution, marginal suspension, and totally inadequate brakes were equally legendary. They called it the "widowmaker", a notoriously frightening bike to ride.

The intentional design of the vehicle, most notably legit sports car acceleration enables reckless driving

And it’s up seven dollars pre-market Sunday night something fucking wrong here

That isn't tech. The whole Tesla Big Lies revolve around tech for people who don't know what tech is. This allows them full use of Giga Cyber Robo And any other term which becomes popular. Elon probably searches the internet constantly to see what is coming in Vogue so he can then claim he's going to sell 45 Trillion Dollars worth of them in the next 4 years. Any "tech" person would have figured out he was lying long ago. No "tech" person would possibly even repeat the word "Optimus". No tech person would possibly believe Elon is going to the Moon (done in 1969, right?), let alone Mars! He will be known as the largest con artist of all time. They may have to develop a new description, insteand of "con" or "ponzi scheme", there will be "Elon Schemes" or "Giga-schemes", the basics being you have to make a trillion dollars from complete BS to qualify.

https://www.openweb.com/share/3322N3jwCut2rsDW14MOWP5aqnE

Ha Ha - did you really say "Elon's Claim"? Every single large claim he has made has been shot down. Solar - they never got to more than 1% of US Market. Boring - joke, they had promised dozens or hundreds of tunnels - there are ZERO general use tunnels. Self-Driving - your vehicle is worth 120K, not the 18K Carvana offered you....because it will leave the house every morning and bring home money in the evening. These are claims that represent 100's of billions of dollars which he enriched himself (and others) due to making....yet he took that money from our government and from each customer he fooled. That's even without talking about the extra dead people and what their lives were worth.

They tend to be extremely fast and tend to be bought by people who want an appliance, not a car.  Someone who doesn't know dick about driving and expects technology to save them combined with cars that have the acceleration of a supercar....yeah that's gonna be a smashin.

And when you consider that statistically ram drivers are the drunkest people up the road.....that's saying something.

Truly the Tesla of its day…

Tesla's are the only car (besides Corvette because of the geriatric drivers) where I wait until they pass to get into a crosswalk. It's not worth it.

So it’s not a « bmw Audi and Mercedes things » but a « performance car things ». People with performance car tend to act recklessly on the road. Nothing new in history.

I mean, as far as I remember,I drove a lot of sports car (mustang, challenger, Porsche 911/ panamera, BMW 340M, Subaru wrx sti etc )and I had at least once everyday someone trying to straight line… it’s not a Tesla car or German car inferiority, just a car thing. Last week I was driving chill with my kids and a Ford F150 straight lined me in a family neighborhood. I didn’t try to follow him, I let him drive past 80 km/h alone. It’s just a dumb move from dumb people.

Well since they stopped putting blinkers on them…wait, they didn’t stop putting blinkers on them and the drivers have just stopped using them?

Turns out companies that mark their own homework may fabricate safety results

The *economy* needs more babies. If that weren’t true, the *world* would be fine if the birth rate leveled off.

whatever dude

FSD is indicating an accident rate much higher according to this article. Higher than the already high normal accident rate. I think the only saving grace is that less then 5% of people are actually buying FSD from my understanding.

There should be a unsafe driving ticket for excessive acceleration IMO. Could be a bit difficult to enforce.

Unsurprising

Here in France every time I see a bad driver or dangerous driving it is a Tesla 9 times out of 10,  it has gotten so bad I drive with extra caution if I see one as I expect them to do dumb shit. And I almost never see them using the indicators.  Luckily they are still relatedly uncommon.

Shit cars gunna do shit things

If you can't stay focused for long drives you shouldn't be going on long drives at all.

Oh the trucks are the worst. Especially the raptors. It’s just the Tesla’s are the only ones, in my experience, that slow down to the speed limit after they pass me. Like it eats at their ego & have to prove that they’re faster. It’s like, no shit, a Miata is faster than my car.

I love my little Cayman 987.2. That visceral normally aspirated V6. It’s such a great road tripping car. 30-mpg at 90-mph. I was eyeing a 2016 base 991 recently. By all accounts a better sports car but not really as fun so I passed. You can pick up a low mileage 987.2 in the mid 20’s. Highly recommended.

Of course. And it may be a problem down the road for Tesla. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that they are … creative with their actuarial calculations regarding car insurance. And for their CTs and some other models in many parts the Tesla insurance is the only option. So most probably premiums will explode soon. And that will make owning a Tesla expensive - which also drives down resale value further… which means: people will loose a shit ton of money on Tesla’s.

They made the model 3 too accessible to young people. You know, the people that haven't gained enough driving experience to deal with that much power on most surfaces.

epic fail

Oh yes, you are correct with the lights. Whenever I see Tesla at night in my country they blinding everyone with their shitty lights position.

The only ones that are fast are plaids and performance models. Most of the Tesler you see on the street are about as fast as a Toyota Camry lol.

Story is 8+ months old. Any news on Tesla's current accident rate? Has it gotten even worse?

yes it has gotten way more worse

\> Not letting me drive because the suitcase in the back seat didn’t have a seatbelt. Well that's a lie. It'll chime but won't prevent you from driving. \> Lane assist pushing me into an oncoming motorcyclist when I tried to give him more room by hugging the white line. All lane assists do that. Their job is to keep you in your lane. If you splurged on some tech packages for your Cayman, you'd also have it work the same way. \> Oh you want to turn the car off? That must be the most ridiculous complaint. Do you also power off your phone every time you put it in your pocket?

If the Tesla was so bad. Why would of the cars I own the Tesla have the cheapest insurance especially since they always total the Tesla in a bit of an accident.....

I don’t know what AP/FSD is but I’m sure as heck that you don’t mean Armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot.

FSD is not available in Germany yet.

Lots of comments from people that have never driven a Tesla.

Mid-teens and FSD is awesome and improving over time. Check it out.

Tesla cars are among the safest in crashes and current versions of FSD are better than a human. I believe that they their fatality rate has been raised in accidents caused by the kids of Tesla owners allowing their young adult children to borrow the car. These drivers are not used to the speed and are sometimes killed early in the morning, out trying to impress their friends. Many of the fatal accidents happen at speeds over 85 mph and, often the driver is not sober. Teslas are very safe in crash tests and, when used, FSD is very good but can be overridden by pressing the accelerator. This is not a problem with the product.

Don't assume that all Teslas even have FSD, much less under its control. We manually drive our new MY. On "Chill" setting. We bought it to stop burning gasoline, it's a pleasure to drive, and it's undoubtedly safer than the ancient Corolla it replaced. (Personally I'm more freaked out by the headless Waymo cars that are now common around here. Ever walk a crosswalk in front of one of those? There's no driver so you have no way to judge if you're "seen".)

I owned a tesla for years. Hi bot

Tesla is indicating it reverts critical control to a driver once ever 400 miles. That is not even close to being ready. They had three accidents in Texas with their taxi in less than two months and about 20,000 miles driven. Waymo has recently hit a milestone and driven about 100,000,000 million miles to date. They have an accident rate of their fault far less than human drivers for comparison. Reverting critical control that often would mean your average taxi would need a passenger to take over about once a day. Tesla is completely hiding the details of the accidents. There is certain things they have to disclose. Appears the accidents were minor with only one minor injury but they will not say what happened. Waymo on the other hand will publish all their accidents with detail. What does that tell you about how Musk/Tesla operates?

It most certainly wouldn’t let me drive because it thought someone was sitting in the back seat. Happened on multiple occasions. Sorry your Tesla sucks

They do

Sorry I reject your claim as untrue.  Tesla doesn’t prevent you from driving based on seat belt in any seat. All you need to do to shift into gear is to press the brake pedal like in any other car. https://youtube.com/shorts/a7fN8GF0HUE

Sorry, I don’t give a shit that you don’t believe it

There’s no factual evidence for your claim to be true. There’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. Reality gives zero shits for your beliefs.

LOL's. What kind of weirdo demands factual evidence... I mean other than a Tesla driver... I don't care if you don't believe what I witnessed 100% happen. Sorry you're still but hurt that your toaster oven posing as a car absolutely sucks. If you want to approach the moderator to allow screenshots, I'd be happy to post a screenshot of the rental agreement. But seriously, if you think you can just start demanding "factual evidence", I suggest you eat a bag of shit.

I don’t know what you witnessed but it doesn’t match reality. You carry the burden of proof. Prove it or stfu.

You also have to remember that the new model 3 owners are the same people that use to love buying beige corollas.

She did? How do you know? I've searched about that story and there have been no updates since they reported that she was "improving".

I ran into someone in Richmond who knew what happened.

Not surprised

Tipical Head up elons ass Tesla driver response. Those cars suck in so many ways they should be banned off the roads.

IKR. Tesla driver in real time proving what kuntz they are.

They suck, I agree. Can we focus on real things that suck and not the made up lies?

So why is it not banned? Elon suppose to be the richest man And his not.Every time he's ask when will your cars your Rockets be ready its like the check in the mail 🙄

I wanna see the short positions here

You mean flat 6

No surprise to me

You're someone who shouldn't even have a license to drive most likely

Yeah I really should get slapped for that.

"what used to be a cost prohibited amount of speed anybody can get and this is what happens". This is spot on. Reminds me of cell data. Used to be expensive. Gloriously silent in public places. Then cheap data made it accessible to boors. And now we get to be a part of everyone's video call and tiktok video. Same people.

Yes TSLA cars all the ones tailgating the closest. Ive never driven one but wonder if it has something to do with the seat position or hands free driving system? I'm from NJ. I had some TSLA driver ride my ass for like 2 miles on the highway as I slowed down more and more🫢 he finally got the hint after like 10mins and passed me.

If it’s tailgating it’s because the drivers are assholes. Autopilot and Full self driving modes both give an awkwardly large follow distance.

While his deadline for it happening is extremely exaggerated it does seem like the new model Y is setup Exactly like the cybercab thing for this reason.

Bad drivers. Nothing inherently wrong with the cars except drivers not paying attention or driving recklessly

In a few years he maybe have it figured out but I doubt it

I found similar to what you found. One report showed a Hyundai Venue has the highest death rate per mile. The Tesla model Y was up there too. Then in the comments a person noted that the Venue is owned mostly by seniors who die more often in an accident. The problem is the report does not determine if it is the car or the drivers age that causes the higher death rate. Then I found a Forbes article showing Tesla's with FSD have a major accident about every 2.9 million miles, that the average for non-Tesla's is about a major accident every 0.5 million miles. One comment was that two heads are better than one which is a supervisory driver combined with FSD in preventing accidents. I have a spotless driving record so I get the lowest rate from insurance companies. All my cars have been ICE until two months ago when I acquired a Tesla model 3 with FSD. I have both the Tesla and a Buick with 433,000 miles on it. The insurance for both is about the same. The big difference is the registration fee. About $160 for the Buick, about $900 for the Tesla.

You have a Buick with 433,000 miles on the clock? The same engine? Is this normal, sorry for all the questions. That is an exceptionally high mileage, how old is the car?

1994 Buick Century 3.1 liter V6. Same engine but transmission had to be rebuilt at 247,000 miles. It is fairly well known that this model is reliable but depreciates quickly which makes it a bargain for used car buyers. I have met a person with an earlier version with 500,000 miles.

That's insane. To put that in perspective, that's 20 times around the equator! ICEs are getting a bad wrap these days, but you gotta admit we got them working incredibly well...