Fred is just angry because after all that shilling he did for Tesla in the early days he still hasn't got his "2020" Roadster 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tesla stock is so divorced from reality right now. I truly thought it was coming back to earth during Elmo's DOGE period...but it's up 50% since then...based on what? Vehicle sales are down, the Cybertruck was a flop...I am flummoxed.
I think he's ran out of credible lies, he's resorting to personally buying stock as a means of pumping it now.
So sell your shares. Problem solved.
I guess it’s good for him that the reality has gone this way then.
The parts about xAi were particularly interesting. Something tells me even if the shareholders vote otherwise, the results will be fixed to match exactly what Elon wants.
Run far run fast
The optimus AI team lead also recently left. One could imagine that it could impact the stock of a "robotics" company, and yet...
Sheer belief, and inertia. The world’s richest man can’t be wrong, otherwise why would he be rich? This is despite all evidence to the contrary.
The shareholders have no choice, as the article basically says. If they don’t vote for it, he’ll publicly state that he’s “looking elsewhere” and that Tesla isn’t the company for him anymore, etc, and the stock price will crater because it’s completely disconnected from fundamentals anyway. If they do vote for it, they just have to hope that is enough of an incentive for him to actually give a shit about the company, which he just fundamentally doesn’t, not the actual stuff that makes the company money anyway (I.e. regular cars). So really they have no choice - vote to crater your own shares, or vote to try and keep someone involved. They’re voting for his name.
He’s trapped the whole stock market being part of the magnificent 7. The only growth is coming from unicorn farts right now
And manipulating it in the options markets.
Can’t really because it’s in the S&P 500.
What the hell is Elon even doing as of late? I highly doubt he's doing anything productive or meaningful business-wise, How the hell is he filling his time? I'm pretty sure this is a pretty strong incentive for the shareholders to start slowly dumping stock All the while not depressing its value by much. I'm sure there's plenty of fools out there who are willing to buy it to pass it on to the bigger fool out there, or just gullible Elon cultists who think they're receiving Blessing from their Lord and Savior. Tesla is existing on borrowed time that it won't be able to pay back. The ship is going to crash eventually.
It really is a trap for a long term stockholder. People can make money in and out in the short term but the stock price is held up until there are defections that will come when reality sets in. With cults it just takes long for these people to realize that it’s all exaggerations
Go to X and you will find out. They are celebrating Robotaxi's coverage area being greater than Waymo
Yes...but they smell like a summer's day fucked a cotton candy bin...so...worth it?
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So they’re just celebrating lies like usual.
Don't they still require a safety monitor?
They like to omit that part out
Gamma squeezes orchestrated by elon and his buddies
Tesla is like Bitcoin …
Pretty sure Elon is back on #1 after the recent pump to $420.
Tesla is pure hype fueled by unfiltered retail delusion. The real question is, how much of the broad market is also inflated by hype?
Pretty sure the safety monitor now has to sit in the driver’s seat. So a driverless taxi requires someone in the driver’s seat; so innovative.
Elon immediately buys up any shares that are sold. He's artificially pumping the price.
he's not a monitor, he's a companion. He can recommend restaurants and provide information on where you can purchase your very own Tesla automobile or Falcon 9 rocket!
>What the hell is Elon even doing as of late? Ketamine.
Same group of people propping it up as well. It's the libertarian tech bros fueling both Tesla and crypto. Rich people who have been convinced that there really are magic beans.
It's like wealth inequality has hit a point where they collapse in on themselves and create a black hole of perpetual money sucking, they're destroying the entire financial system of the world just by existing as hyper wealthy morons
The most accurate headline this year!!
Is that who he’s lying for?
I can't stop wondering what happens to all the cars when Tesla's servers finally shut down.
Seems like their manifesting technique is working for now, gotta admit. Until they kill the host. They are like cancer.
>> So really they have no choice Or sell right now.
Give up you clowns
Short it then
That lasted 1 day
Texas is 268,000 mi.² with 32 million people and he’s got 10 cars that’s one car for every 3.2 million people he’s all over it
And it’s a taxi cab because he’s got a driver
Yes everywhere they will be deployed so basically it’s a cab company It’s Uber with a chance to get killed
Lfmao
Tesla shareholders are playing a game of chicken. Everyone is trying to hold on until the very last moment before the inevitable crash when they plan to cash out. Losers will be left holding the bag.
Exactly
Tesla is a share selling company, that happens to sell cars.
You couldn’t be more right. For the next couple of weeks by SEC rules he can’t pump his own stock so he’s got analysts saying stuff once you buy a stock in your own company you have a quiet time Not exactly sure how long before and after or you not allowed to say something
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Sub Optimus prime is now 80% of Tesla value those are his words no cars no full self driving. Robots he’s passing the buck and running out of options.
😂
Musk has violated SEC rules a million times the last decade and nothing has happened. And even less will happen in the current fascistmistration
Exactly. They just don't want to because FOMO and other irrational shareholder behavior that has put the rational markets theory to a violent death since the low interest years. I wonder when economists will admit and adjust?
Where is he getting the money to buy the shares tho?
He’s mostly been calling for violent revolution in countries he doesn’t live in.
So who is doing the remote control, now that he‘s left?
Yes, head of Optimus AI left. That's a big deal.
So, it‘s just Uber
Rich people borrow on their existing holdings. He's likely taking loans to buy these stocks.
Sanity check. Tesla currently has about 125,000 employees. Musk's proposed pay package is worth multiple times the total compensation of the other 125,000 employees COMBINED. Scenario 1: Remove Musk from the company tomorrow. What happens? Tesla continues doing everything it does, just as well. (Hint: look at how Apple performed over 10 years after Steve Jobs left.) Scenario 2: Remove the other 125,000 employees from the company tomorrow. What happens? Tesla goes bankrupt almost immediately. Musk is a smart dude. Very ambitious. Very successful. But he is literally facilitating the downfall of our nation via hubris. I'm kind of shocked that he is unable to see how insanely out of touch he is with "the wealthiest country on earth" in which 80% of people are barely getting by or completely falling behind.
Also worth noting, that Elon has stacked the board with his friends, so a lot of this stock is owned by people who agree with him. The public stockholders do not have a lot of say and how the company is run because of this. Board is completely stacked in elon's favor
On the positive side. Him leaving would burn the stock, destroy the company and maybe someone want to buy up the remains. A very big maybe for the IP value.
I for some reason visited r/teslainvestors . I wrote some negative comments, and given the response I begun to think I was going to be banned from the sub just by saying tesla is overvalued
That's not considering the rebate is over next month I believe and the large class action lawsuit, which he'll probably win cause things just seem to go his way. What will come of him buying 2.5 million shares?
He has found an infinite money loop. The problem is he has borrowed so much money that some of those financial institutions are in on the scam. For all intents and purposes they are invested in Tesla. If Tesla goes down Musk can’t pay, if he can’t pay they lose billions of dollars. When this house of cards falls there will be a lot of people hurt.
Well that is what everyone on the board is doing.
shareholders will happily give him this deal if he makes it happen
It’s just a bunch of whales liquidating shorts over and over again.
That’s the beauty of keeping all of the lies spinning at once. They can just pivot to say it’s an AI company too
Totally and absolutely correct. You get it.
For some perspective: Cisco's forward P/E during the 2000 bubble was about 150 times earnings. Tesla's forward P/E is currently at 170. If Tesla increases earnings by 17% per year, for each of the next 10 years (which would be absolutely, amazingly phenomenal performance), and the stock price doesn't move for 10 years, their P/E would be 35 in 2035, which is roughly the same P/E as Nvidia today. I have no idea how long this party can last, but there will be many regrets for Tesla shareholders when all is said and done.
or... you can sell. Nobody is trapped.
All bubbles seem like they will only expand, until they pop. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_South_Sea_Bubble
I was recently in Austin where there are quite a few Waymos as well as Zoox. No driver needed, it just works. Impressive stuff. Plus the car itself (Jaguar) is way nicer than a Tesla.
Robotics? You mean mimes dressed in spandex?
It’s being pumped and nobody is dumping. It tanked when he sold to buy Twitter.
He was trying to foment revolution in England this past week together with violent felon Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, after beefing with Trump and Bannon’s old pal Nigel Farage earlier… https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/13/elon-musk-calls-for-dissolution-of-parliament-at-far-right-rally-in-london
Shadows of 1925…a time when another auto tycoon had bought his hometown newspaper and turned it into a conspiracy rag peddling Russian-flavored Great Replacement bs, too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties
I always assumed it's a bank loan funded bubble. Which would explain why the stock always goes up on bad news.
The robot exists, it’s just that it’s a useless but fancy toy.
Treasury Department?
BULLISH
It's very similar to how a crypto token gets pumped. As long as there seems to be value in it, stupid people will buy it.
Did they let him keep the spandex suit?
True
It shuffles around like an octogenarian with arthritis
So you're saying it is destined to be a politician then? 😂
Hear me out. OK, so it's a driverless taxi, but with a driver! Can I have some money?
Index funds / S&P 500 force you to buy it.
Sooner or later the valuation with catchup with the reality. It might not be tomorrow, but it will happen
And dementia.
DISRUPTION!!
Some of it, yes, but these are not the shareholders that are "trapped" if they don't give him 1 trillion. Most people with index funds don't even vote.
Bullish!
It’s a meme stock. But yeah anyone else and he would have already been in jail for lying to the shareholders constantly
Watch any pro-Tesla YT video to witness the insanity of the Tesla acolytes.
Who do you think will get you Cokes?
Im sure it will be able to order Ketamine and Coke from the internet, but I doubt it can pick it up at the door and pay.
It's the biggest ponzi scheme in history at this point. When it pops, I think the US stock market will come crashing back to reality as investors make up for their losses.
Rules you say?
Elon actually has a point. A stock is worth what people think the company is worth. Like it or not, without Elon, people will think Tesla is worth trillions less. I think it’s crazy but that’s a reality.
Imaginary P:E ratios
The whole market is just untethered from any fundamentals whatsoever. Casino for the super rich and we’re all along for the ride
Supply and demand. Demand doesn’t have to rooted in reality. And I think short sellers have been consistently burned this stock. So here we are. With a meme stock. To the moon and diamond hands as the kids say.
Could the oligarchs be proping up the markets, leveraging "gains" to keep the market momentum going? With lenders so invested they can't afford not to give the billionaires what they want. Ultimately playing for a federal bailout when the house of cards falls.
Man I couldn't give a fuck about Tesla shareholders if it was required of me. Buy the ticket, take the ride. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. I will now go back to shit posting.
It’s based on the fact people believe he’ll deliver on valuation to get his pay package by tricking people to invest with promises xyz is going to happen next year and they’ll have a monopoly on it
It’s billionaires manipulating the market. It’s not just Elon manipulating his own stock.
Understood, but he has to hit some major marks in order to get the package. If he doesn’t hit the numbers he gets ZERO! I think if he hits the numbers, Tesla will be worth like $5 trillions or something. But not entirely sure, just saying
The Cybertruck sold about as many units as Cadillac Escalade.
There’s something else going on here. Just a feeling. The facts in observance can’t possibly justify the situation. I don’t buy “it’s a meme stock” anymore. Im guessing there is some kind of fealty involved.
All they have to do is sell their stock and he loses power. But I guess greed is one hell of a drug
> Elon Musk was the world’s richest person for nearly 300 days before Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison experienced a $101 billion overnight wealth surge We really live in an insane world when a billionaire's net worth can by $101 billion overnight. Valuations don't make any sense anymore at this point.
Lmao, keep thinking of Tesla as a car company.
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Are you upset because you didn’t buy? Or upset because you couldn’t afford to buy? Genuinely curious
Actually bitcoin is an even bigger “greater fools” ponzi scheme ($2.3 trillion current market cap vs $1.3 trillion for Tesla)
ha, in your face.. Told ya, hes the richest!
pretty impressive that despite all the hype, nvidia is only 35x earnings. I would’ve expected it to be higher
Yeah, but this with TSLA and BTC are global plays. As long as foreign actors with money see Tsla or Bitcoin wreak havoc on American economy and society by giving voice to their leaders...it wont pop.
where did he say he’s upset? and why are you providing a false dichotomy?
as long as elon stays on hitler’s good side
does elon have a choice or is he bluffing? if he leaves tesla, his net worth is still dependent on the shares unless he sells those….which won’t be at a pretty price all said and done
This one will be for the ages. Question is can Bitcoin be propped up by the OG Bitcoin crowd. Who will give the Bitcoin Bros liquidity when real cash is needed?
Use stock equity to get loan. Use loan to buy stock. Stock value goes up, so equity increases. Repeat until global financial disaster.
I’m not upset at all. It’s just obvious BS and anyone in the market should see it.
How true. They don’t reply to people like that
wow thats crazy
Oligarchy. He's very closely tied to the Vice President (likely to be the President within 4 years). He's also politically connected to Donald Trump, obviously. When the paypal mafia finally takes the white house, Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Boring, etc are going to be rewarded with grants, subsidies, tax breaks, and a regulatory apparatus weaponized against their competition. We're living through what happened in Russia in the 2000s. --- Investors are probably betting on oligarchy. It's a smart bet, imho. The sicker Trump looks, the more likely his death becomes, the higher Tesla is going to go. Bet on that.
This article could not be any more accurate. Is an interesting read thru and thru. More interesting is the Xai. Musk sold the horrible twitter investment to his new Xai company. And now there is a push by Musk and the directors to have Xai bought by Tesla for about 200 billion. Tesla is about out to own the worst stock purchase in history. Twitter. Musk is about to come out with an additional 200 billion dollars and Tesla get near zero value. More so, major Tesla shareholders are personally suing Musk and the board of directors for exactly this purchase. This are piercing the corporate veil because Musk and the directors are directly profiting from this. Musk instead of investing Tesla money in Tesla AI decided to steal the best employees (resource tunneling) and move them into Xai and basically hollow out Tesla. Then he wants Tesla to buy his Xai company for the inflated value with Twitter attached.
“He must know something we don’t! He’s always had right!” Irony being that Elon is always wrong
Oh damn
LMFAO...keep believing Elons vaporware is a thing.
Their forward P/E is a Div-zero error. Their energy credit business is done, and the EV purchase credits are gone too. When even Elon says to prepare for “a few rough quarters”, it’s all but certain that they will be unprofitable in 2026. The market case for Robotaxi is delusional, and years away, and Optimus is a ketamine-fueled fantasy.
He will keep lying either way.
And AI
No, it will very slowly take you to where the Coke is located.
they're getting paid by Elon to allow all of it. The chairwoman has bragged about how she got life-changing money (from doing nothing really other than glazing elon). She was a random telecom executive in Australia and is now half a billionaire.
It’s basically just bitcoin with some factories at this point.
Everyone knows it´s a car company, everyone knows optimus will go nowhere
The Musk Foundation being a huge and shady stack of shite, unsurprisingly. The man seem to be physically unable to avoid conning and lying.
"Tesla stock is so divorced from reality right now." Not clear to me if it's been any different since the IPO
They outsource that to India or people with H1B visas for maximum cost savings.
My guess is bitcoin and TSLA crash together, one triggering the other.
What do you mean right now? Tesla stock price has never been connected to reality.
Had a hardcore believer rattle off all the things that Elon Musk is going to fix in the next year and if you believe any of it you would hold even as your body was being put in your casket. The fact is there some Stooges out there that believe that everything the guy pumps out. He is clouded in the religious aura in the evangelical community and is literally considered a profit by many of the faithful. They don't want to go to hell so they want to hold a stock even when it goes to hell. If somebody had created a science fiction movie with this kind of plot I wouldn't even bother to watch it cuz I thought it would be too stupid to believe but now it's something we live in everyday and with government support.
Uh oh, found a Tesla cult member
I’d argue Bitcoin has more value.
What's really fascinating is how many analysts from major investment banks are fully onboard with the bullshit. The idea that they will leapfrog their competition with AI robots is, as far as I can tell, just based on Elon saying "Trust me bro". Price targets of 400 or higher? GTFO
No need for visas if they outsource to India. They have plenty of call centers to remotely drive a robot.
The lead was Indian...
Hence why they put Trump in the white house.
Your comments raised the stock price by 00000115%.
Get this company out of the snp 500!
tesla stock will never pop. too many rich people have too much invested to let that happen.
Hey everyone, remember their driverless taxis? When are those coming? Oh we’ve moved on to the next lie? Oh ok. If you invest long term in Tesla you are going to get burned. It’s not a matter of if, but when. Even if they make money on AI, battery tech, or space tech, Elon and the C suite are going to take all the profits, and that’s best case scenario.
Elon's already called him a pedophile on X and Trump responded by getting rid of the computer car or something. Elon's still got all his security clearances and has FAA approval to bombard Mexico with his flying corn silos. Even that rescue diver caused Elon a bigger headache than Trump is willing to apparently. All of these fucks are so flaccid and pathetic.
That’s exactly what a mime in spandex would say…or mime. Whatever, I saw their reveal, I know what a guy in a suit looks like.
Why would it go down with a gutted SEC and cuts to departments regulating Musk? Additionally, the stock has been manipulated by his statements, him buying shares, and clearly market makers propping the stock up.
Musk always claimed it was overpriced. He’s helped further overprice it. I believe it’s just a bubble now.
I agree. The Tesla premium made sense when they were dominating the EV market. But now they no longer own that market and people are applying the same premium to self-driving cars and humanoid robots, and Tesla is not even the industry leader in either of those technologies. Delusional is an appropriate word.
And those are minor factors. The BIG losses are the electronic vehicle tax credits and carbon buy back credits they won’t get anymore. At this point the stock is just money laundering for the rich.
Meme stock buyers don’t have this much gas. It’s money laundering.
I imagine most investors are hoping FSD will work out (rolled out globally). It’ll likely never be as safe as a system incorporating Lidar, but investors are probably hoping most people will regard FSD as “safe enough”.
Mimes dressed in Spandex would be better and cheaper $15/hr + tips
Tesla, like all of Musk's ventures, is all about government subsidies. The actual product is almost always a "flop" but the product is not the point. The point is the infrastructure and the politics. Tesla is critical to the military industrial complex and the US gov't would never let it fail
Saudi money, and others probably
Remember how Musk claimed that he didn’t care about the money? Yet now he wants a trillion dollar paycheck. For Fred Lambert to say this, he must have finally woken up and realized the Flavor Aid he’s been sipping on is piss.
Imagine how big a crash it’ll be when either we get a SEC with actual teeth or news breaks that Musk drowned in his hot tub after ODing on ketamine.
Dying to tutorial bosses in video games.
I hope you do know that Trump is going to make American taxpayers pay for it.
That's what happens when you actually sell products
You can short tsla the same amount you are invested in via s&p500 and then you are virtually not exposed to it
Or he just know to much about a lot of people now.
Tell me a) that most folks have the know how (and knowledge) of how much Tesla comprises the index and b) how many folks have 401ks (with TDFs &/or S&P 500 funds) but no brokerage accounts. Def something “smarter” investors can do, but most can’t or won’t.
In the end, it’s going to make for one of the biggest financial collapses in our lifetime when it finally does come to reality.
How in the world is tesla critical to mic?
It's all been 100% fraud since the "100% self drive by 2018" statement in 2016. Guys... Just sue him already.
Only a mental degenerate would still have Tesla stock
It’s purely speculative. It’s “valued” high because investors *believe* it is worth that much, or at least predict it will be (or are attempting a rug pull). Just like cash money only has a value because we have a trust system that it is worth that much.
I have to say it's hilarious to see Fred's shift over the last year or two. Yeah man, Elon Musk is in fact a bad guy. It's never really been about saving the environment or getting to Mars. It's always been about feeding his own ego and whatever world ending issue his messiah complex has deemed that only he can solve in the moment. There's no master plan other than constantly upping the ante so he can constantly feel like he's literally the most important person in the world constantly. Hell at this point Musk is a serious drug addict who's constantly popping pills to avoid feeling any kind of down or actually deal with bad news and the inconvenient parts of reality. That's part of the whole hype cycle and net worth pumping he's been doing too. That number and that slot on the Forbe's list is likely the primary way which he measures his own value and progress at this point. There's zero coincidence that he suddenly bought shares right after Larry Ellison briefly eclipsed him. Tesla is no longer a project with a goal. It's a tool with a use, and that use is to make Musk richer at any cost. He doesn't give a damn about shareholders and for their part shareholders have done so many things lately that actually limit their own rights as owners of the company. They voted through his clearly conflicted board picks for ages. They voted to reincorporate in Texas so Musk wouldn't be accountable to anyone other than a solid super majority of shareholders should he go off the rails completely. At every opportunity to set any kind of line in the sand or defend their own interests they have chosen not to and odds are they'll do it yet again with this compensation package and at least one more time if Musk decides it's in his interest to merge with xAI to get an even bigger voting share in the company. People will piss and moan about capitalism when this all blows up but the fact of matter is shareholders and institutional index funds have continually given Musk everything he's asked for and more without second question or any strings attached because they've bought into the hype and think he's really some kind of reality bending genius that will make them all rich unless they actually dare to upset him or even worse are aware that the whole thing is a grift completely dependent on his ability to both promise ridiculous things and somehow avoid prosecution for securities fraud and false advertising. Musk has always been this asshole, he's just become wealthy and lazy enough to stop trying to really conceal it anymore at this point.
Because at the end of doing this you down own an Elon. All you own is his gold plated promise to dedicate himself to the company.
It had to go up to keep the indexes up. Bumping up Tesla allowed the nasdaq and sp to hit ATH, plus with no one looking at Tesla they didn’t have to pay out to any retail. With every other stock hitting ATH over the last two weeks it’ll be tough going now… for a long time. Good luck all
Look at all the analysts that have set their price targets above $400 recently. They see the disruption Robotaxi is going to cause. When you invest do you evaluate a company on what they did last year or last quarter? If the Taxis hit then realistically what is Tesla worth? If the Optimus robot hits what is it worth? Sure it’s possible that they don’t hit but if they do, in 5 years this thread will be wishing they could invest rationally instead of emotionally.
The only way he gets the $1T is if he actually manages to deliver.
Me too and it’s costing me lots of money. It makes no sense.
Could it be any more clear wealth is created in the stock market?
"Hallucinated" rather than "created" when it comes to the stock market tbh.
More people are getting burned alive in his cars because they can’t get out when in an accident.
its like the gamestop stock for rich people. They want to believe the company because they like Elon and his beliefs. The company is just cosplaying at this point as functional.
Just the [PayPal Mafia](https://share.google/knvfnbQpbA0YWkyQO) propping each other up.
It should be around $12 per share, based on real metrics.
1T is literally insane. Actual stock holders need to revolt. Shares stolen from.
Model 3 turned into a BBQ would be pretty cool.
bitcoin doesn't rely on sales or cashflow, its like gold where it doesn't need inner value. (Gold also didn't need inner value for thousands of years, the recently discovered inner value it got in the industrial revolution just is a cherry on top, not the reason for its price)
[https://fleximize.com/paypal-mafia/](https://fleximize.com/paypal-mafia/) actual link instead of this bs google url crap
Both going kaput would cause more havoc on the american economy than them continuing to go up, it would also likely be another financial crises everywhere the same as it was last time the americans let their true greedy selfish selves run wild.
pretty sure it's been almost half a decade if not longer of fred not gurgling alon's balls at this point
This time when it drops it won't recover
He watched alien earth and thought.. "I could be yutani"
The stock market has become uncoupled from reality
Why do you think the cybertruck was a flop ?
Considering Elon does not support the right to repair your own vehicle, I’m thinking they’ll become bricks
Are you asking why it was a flop, or are you questioning that it was a flop? I will answer both. Was it a flop? Yes, Tesla was planning on shipping 250k-350k units a year by now, based on 2023 projections. To date, between 2024 and 2025, they have only shipped between 50k to 60k units. They have started moving workers off the Cybertruck production line to the Model Y in increasing numbers, and Cybertruck inventory was overflowing. Why was it a flop? 3 reasons off the top of my head. If you are not a 12 year old boy, it's fugly. Not a chick magnet, there's a reason it was dubbed "The IncEl Camino". It did not deliver on its promise. Base model under 40k? Nope, nothing cheaper than double that. Stainless steel exoskeleton? Nope aluminum unibody like a car, with glued on stainless panels that have a penchant for peeling off. Bulletproof? No. Range? In the ballpark, but not what was promised. The EV truck segment as a whole is challenged and struggling because most people want to be able to tow stuff. While an EV has gobs of torque for towing, range is typically halved at least if not cut to 1/3. Going with an aluminum unibody endoskeleton instead of steel ladder on frame, some CT owners have reported frame cracks, as aluminum is much more brittle than steel.
I guarantee there is a huge overlap between people propping up Tesla and those propping up Bitcoin. One going is going affect the other for sure
Cathy Wood's feltching
IF ONLY there was a organization, or authority that could look in to this.
reminds me of randy and towelie at Techridy farms
Posting Fred titles ? Cringe
He said arthritis, not bone spurs.
What I learned from financiers after the Great Recession is to not trust the stock market. Those numbers are detached from reality.
I liked Elon for long time. But don’t believe him any more. He have to take care better for his 1 wife and 3 ex. And 10 kids. He wanted to be the president of US. I bet.
Can’t possibly be because he’s robbing everyone
I've seen this before leading up to the dot con crash. Or you could draw parallels with Enron. The lesson is we can't know how long this insanity will persist but it won't go on forever.
He did not lie. He just promises the future events that are very hard to achieve or accomplish.
... doesn't he have to like 8x the stock or something for all the money? You saying he can lie his way to 8x. Man is better than Shakespeare!
You must watch MSM.
You must huff Leon's farts.
Nah, but I did make a ton of money when I invested in $TSLA.
Keep doing your own research!
Always!
Money laundering
They should have not allowed it into the index - but here we are
Unfortunately, there’s a lot more cybertrucks on the road where I live now. People started buying them. I live in Deep South though.
Another electrik hit piece
Short short, short and more short
you should be a politician
Wow, most people?
Larry Ellison is not actually any better, he's just quieter.
Yes but see he doesn't need to be able to DRIVE.
A normal, healthy company has a price-to-earnings ratio of 20 to 25. A really glitzy one with great prospects might have a 30 or even a little more. (C.f. Apple.) Tesla's is 250.
Lol... the next 2.5 centuries are priced in
It’s a bubble that could have been gently deflated or be forced to pop. We’re on rails towards a pop now, probably for the entire EV segment.
Speculating. Most people don't believe in the car, but they believe somebody will buy the stock for more than they paid.
I don't understand some of the posts. You guys are just realizing that the stock market is a scam and it's really just gambling.
At least Bitcon had to use a lot of energy to make it.
I bought a bunch when unhinged people made the stock go down and now I’m sitting pretty. I say pay the man I want to see 100x on what I’m holding.
The guidance system has soooo many applications, both civil and military. Self driving construction vehicles, tanks, ships, subs, semi (I know they exist, but the labor force isn't ready it would buckle much of the economy too many people out a job). The batteries are some of the best and again have many uses in military and civil applications. Nuclear subs and all electric carriers both have battery bays. The manufacturing process they figured out has value as well to other manufacturing companies. Supposedly able to put out vehicles much cheaper. And like it or not, the world will continue to move toward an IROBOT type of environment where all cars are self driving and going 200mph all electric. The better we get at clean manufacturing and power generation, the more prevalent these changes will be. It's not all about car sales.
I truly believe digital currency is where we are headed. Idk anyone that carries more than $100 cash and the most prevalent monetary is backed by..... nothing really. Just the fact that oil is priced in dollars. Digital currency is based on basically digital storage through block chains. Those, of course, relate to physical transistors and wiring. Through a few steps, it makes the dollar based on copper gold and silver again, the materials used to make those networks. This also truly fucks smaller underdeveloped countries making the gap between super powers of the world and the others even larger.
What you listed is a lot of vaporware. Self driving is still a ways off for them, and all manufacturers. Waymo is more advanced at this point. Your claim that they are holding back the Semi because of concerns about crashing the economy is laughable. The Semi is 6 years late because They have been plagued by supply chain issues and cost increases and a lack of focus internally (putting emphasis on passenger cars instead). What is true: Their batteries are their own form factor (which is superior to pouch style packs), but they use the same supply chain for components that everyone else does (Panasonic, CATL). They have innovated manufacturing (gigacast), which is now being copied by other manufacturers (Ford, Rivian).
Lot of shit talking in here. Let’s see some short positions so we know yall putting your money where your mouth is 😊
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the base of waymos self driving GPS maps with the secondary being lidar radar and vision systems? I'd expect that to be less viable in areas where there aren't roads like many war zones, a ship/sub, or on aircraft. I'd think a vision only system would be more reliable in these situations. Id also expect the military to want the best of both. The advanced vision systems of Tesla are integrated with the neural network lidar and radar of waymo even if I'm wrong? I understand the supply chain issues for the semi, but I also think it became low priority due to the general pushback from the market due to the things I mentioned. I never expect businesses to care about anything but the all mighty dollar.
And they had to stop production to redesign the joints because they were shit. Zero impact on the stock. It's a meme stock running completely on bullshit.
It’s always been divorced from reality.
Isn’t that the funny thing? Cash is bad. The government =bad.
No. Because with shorting you have to know the timeframe when the stock collapses. And its a meme-stock. As they say: The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent!
Is that what he said Pinocchio?
It’s just waiting for me to buy in and then it’ll crash.
Insider help- messy game.
Betting the farm on AI robotaxi vs acturaly selling vehicles like the Tesla Semi, Roadster and Model 2.
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Hahaha so it’s just a shit talking sub, got it
I think trump is going to pay federal debts in Bitcoin...a take it or leave it scenario
see Fisker Automotive
which is still chump change compared to gold. the idea that ponzis burst is redditor level of make believe. low grade ponzis do that, the trully big ones never do. People want to believe. Look at religion or indeed gold which's actual value derived from industrial use is something in the order of ... 2 magnitudes down. Heck most stocks are in speculative bubbles. very few of them are actually growth stocks yet you see unbelievable PEs regardless...
Anyone heard of Elon Musk ETF?
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