My September 2026 puts are absolutely cooked for zero reason, great man love it here.
>The billionaire bought the shares indirectly through a revocable trust on Sept. 12, according to a regulatory filing released Monday. For a regular company, insider buying is a good signs. But for Musk... Where did the billion comes from? From selling Tesla shares? That's his most liquid asset, isn't it? Not considering less transparent reasoning. E.g. the meme stock CEO Ryan Cohen bought the now defunct BBBY stock, the news pumped it, then offloaded it at a tidy profit.
Wow, that ***MUST*** mean TSLA doesn't have declining revenues, no new products in the pipeline, and zero chance of achieving "FSD". Elon ***MUST*** know something BIG!!! is coming. Rendering coming soon!
Pumping the price again... Tesla ratings, sales and sentiment are at the lowest. Got to pump it... Then he will claim that people love Tesla because price is up in hope of speculators coming in and making some profit when pumping it even higher. Same thing as before when Tesla stock went to 1K for no reason at all. Tesla is a meme stock of meme stocks... He wants to prove his 1T package is worth it so he will manipulate the price.
He's trying to inflate the stock prices to prevent them from declining.
Tesla already gave up on FSD... And nothing new is coming, it will be smoke and mirrors just as before, propped by empty promises.
All I can think is he is taking a loan with his existing shares as leverage to buy more shares.
glad I’m not playing the stock any more. most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen this morning especially
Demand is too strong for tesla. Robo taxi seem to be doing well so far.
I assume he borrowed billions with his shares in collateral and then just did a round-about, making him leveraged 2:1. Edit : Just for that specific transaction. He has 220B$ worth of Tesla shares at this point, even at 500% margin requirements he could post 5B in shares and get 1B in cash to buy back shares. His overal leverage would be a lot less than 2:1.
Fraud is a reason.
Right, the robitaxi which has a person in the driver’s seat, and is only allowed in certain areas, and only operates in fair weather
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it plays off for him
Or it could be he's trying to gobble up the shares that Robyn Denholm and others sold off
Im just stating whats happening right now to explain the stock going up, don’t shoot the messenger
Bro, the robots ARE fsd
The stock is not coupled in any meaningful way to the company itself.
Whos business model is the same as Uber, only they charge less
Yeah
His disconnect from the reality of the EV market and the Tesla brand will be his financial downfall
Buy a billion in stock, prices go up. Sell them all with profit, prices drop. Rince and repeat.
Talk about marketing manipulation. He gets a massive trillion dollar bonus package and he buys shares to pump the price. Wow!! At this rate he just needs to buy a few billion more to pump it to 2 trillion market cap
Selling? Thats a secure loan on his current shares
Leverage shares upon leverage shares?
Uber works at night and in the rain though
Great. When?
Maybe his brilliant and shining genius has figured out flying teslas or FTL drives?
He's making his house of cards taller by moving some cards from the bottom.
If Musk announced that Tesla would cease all production and liquidate the factories the stock would probably hit $1k/share.
If you’re not leveraging your leverages you’re not really trying
That’s one way to bump the stock price up.
Ok so he is planning on doing something dodgy. Merging companies, announcing a new model that will never come out, lying about the taxi service, pretending the robots are capable of human work.
This isn’t a company share but back. Just Elon purchasing these shares to boost the share price. All the while, waiting for the shareholders to vote on his potential trillion dollar compensation package. Nope, nothing to see here…
Great he’ll lose more money. I’m all for it.
Flying Teslas are great for terrorists of the world. Why hijack a plane when you can use your dirty money to cause chaos with a flying car?
Where did he get a billion dollars? Did he use $1 billion in Tesla shares to buy $1 billion in Tesla shares?
Robots to replace agricultural workers. You read it here first.
Sweet, sweet fraud
Sure, buddy. When you’re done playing with your kiddie gloves on, we can have a conversation about third or even layering on a fourth, uh, layer of leverage to ensure you’re golden. People usually stop at just below the surface level, but meanwhile, I’m like the OceanGate of leverage.
Well, to be fair, that has worked pretty well for the last 10 years...
He used some of his shares to borrow money to buy more
Capitalism is a scam.
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Oh, have they not approved that deal yet? Interesting…
Testing the water, how long does company need to hold the market cap to get the bonus?? It should be >5 years but likely one quarter average…
>FTL drives He's a fucking moron compared to boy genius.
SEC nowhere to be found. Lmao. Golden age of fraud
“They’ll be able to walk faster in the future”
My guess... he's had deep pocket backers for a long time now, who step in and keep the stock up through direct buying or via the options market (most likely the latter). And he probably asked them for another pump and they told him enough was enough. They'd sunk enough into his ass and now he had to pony up himself. So he dumped $1B into Tesla to pump it. But think of it like this... dude invested about a quarter of one percent of his net worth into Tesla... that's how much faith he has in the company. That would be like someone making $100,000 investing $250 in their company and the market going "holy shit, you must really believe in this!"
Probably inflating them with one hand so he can dump with the other
Glad I own shares this morning
Leveraging your share in a company to buy share in the same company is wild
Robotaxis don't even exist, it's just Uber that's not yet open to the public. You're giving it credibility it doesn't deserve. They're not "doing well", this is basically an extended alpha release. Not even beta.
The way they are managing to sell cars he'll be soon earning about a million for every car they sell.
He didn't get the trillion dollar bonus package. He's wildly overpaid for what amounts to shit posting, playing Diablo, and nodding off like a crackhead while at the white house but he didn't get that pay package yet
true that. He knows that the stock will decline by 50% next earnings. So better push it to 500 before, so it falls to 250. Smart move actually
Who needs revenue and new products when you’ve got hype?
And then borrows more off the shares to payback the interest on the $1 billion he borrowed to buy more shares? How is he still paying off the Twitter loans?
Self driving flying car. What could go wrong?
I’m gonna guess that Optimus’ battery would last about four hours in an orchard.
... and has a massive fleet of 20-30 cars max.
No, see - Uber pushes equipment costs off onto their operators, while Tesla keeps them in-house. Vertical integration… few understand this.
Elon Musk buys $1 billion in shares over the last few weeks, explaining the stock price breakout. On the news, the market cap of the company increased $67 billion, making Elon Musk about $13.5 billion richer literally in the first minute of trading... and that's not including the price movement higher that his purchases undoubtedly helped push up over the last two weeks that would have caused his 20% ownership stake to appreciate in value as well. Must be nice to move a bit of money around a bit and multiply it by 13x. The purest form of stock manipulation. FYI, he's almost certainly buying up shares to ensure he has the votes to get all the shareholder proposals through that he wants, including his trillion dollar pay package, including his purchase of xAI... which he is the majority shareholder in and is worth jack squat if Tesla doesn't buy it given how shitty Grok is.
Imagine walking around and you have a car fall on you from nowhere
I was wondering how he bought these shares, it would be funny if this ends up being true
Given how gullible tesla shareholders are, the market cap is probably the easiest goal to meet....this just in, Musk announces Tesla is working on matter teleportation
Yeah, this is why I would never short this stock
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Full self defecation
I’m gonna guess the robots will be made in Mexico so battery concerns are minimal compared to the likelihood of ICE coming and stealing the robots right off the fields.
100 banks are all gonna find out simultaneously they all lent him billions on the same set of shares.
He didn't get the pay package yet. He had a bunch of loops to jump through yet according to the terms. I have doubts it'll happen but it looks like he's trying
Buy shares -> artificially increase the demand -> increse the stock price
This. Everything he does with this company is about stock value. It shields him from all accountability.
The pump
You just wait, sucker! You'll need to walk yourself to get a coca-cola from the kitchen, while my sleepless robot is out on loan earning me money. Have fun washing your own dishes!
I don't think it'd last anywhere near that long. Just give them an extension cord on a spring loaded spool like your iron at home.
Here’s the pump, get ready for the dump suckers.
Why not wait until the share prices drops by 90%?
I've got an image of a robot with bright red lipstick and a wig leaning seductively against a lampost.
Good, the more Musk net worth is tied to Tesla the more he'll hurt when Tesla goes down.
6m high lol
Robots are puppets and toys
Hold on. Didn't the board just approve some massive package based on Tesla market cap? I'll dif into it later but I read that the past few weeks ago.
It was announced contingent on hitting various milestones that are not yet hit and thus not awarded.
That's what I think is happening here. He pumps with fake news on vaporware and buys a billion here and a billion there. Each by pumps the stock 100b+ like today. He will hit the target market cap that triggers the incentive package instantly. My bet is iXA BS will be his next move to pump the stock
And operating expenses for the vehicle too, dont forget that part.
He has to keep it alive as long as he can, when it finally hits a brick wall, the shares are going to be close to worthless and all the bag holders are going to be fucked as part of the Final Musking
Whoever borrowed him money must be receiving some sweet deal
Thoughts on selling 30 shares at this current price point? I'm tempted. I'd rather put my money in NVDA with their earnings compared to this meme company. I bought in Jan 2022.
With FSD there was at least a premise that Tesla was going to deliver something others weren't even attempting: cheap vision-only autonomous driving that works anywhere and is available on privately owned vehicles. Now of course that hasn't been backed by actual execution and there's a pretty strong expert consensus that it won't be possible to do it safely enough any time soon if ever. But with Optimus there isn't even a premise. A bunch of other companies have demonstrated robots that are far ahead in capabilities. Tesla isn't even putting forward a vision for how their robots will be superior.
They are just waiting on the price to crash so they can margin call him
Buying at the top
That’s what I meant by equipment costs, yeah.
it is a proposal put up to shareholder vote at the shareholder meeting in November. So besides that he won't get the trillion dollar (due to crazy milestones) it isn't there yet. In that same shareholder meeting there is a proposal to give the board 208 million shares that they can decide to give to Elon Musk whenever they want (which will be immediately). So depending how the shareholder meeting goes. Elon Musk might be immediately 70 billion dollar richer.
No, I don't believe this for a second. Margin calling will leave the institutions holding the bag, no one wants this musical chairs game to end. Those who allowed him borrow likely personally got in on this pump and received some kind of kickback.
If you know you're going broke, and have already lost the house, then there's no cost in betting the house.
Sold 20 billion bought 1 billion so still net -19 billion?
https://www.ffrobotics.com/
He spent less than a per cent of his net worth buying stock and increased his net worth by more than he spent. That’s a pretty sweet con on his sycophants.
So a teeny fraction of the pay package being used in advance to secure the requisites. Yeah I don’t see any conflict of interest here. Elons literally banking on people not understanding how much 1 trillion dollars is and quite frankly I’m afraid it’s going to work. Unless a bunch of un smart people get smart very fast I think we’re all about to be cooked.
Man, they are going ride the sales bump caused by the termination of the EV tax rebate (which Elon is at least partially responsible for) HARD when the third quarter sales figures come out.
So he bought it with loaned money didn’t he?
IMHO - Propping up his stock, pump and dump incoming. He must need a loan or to restructure existing loan(s).
If only that was real. One of the secrets of tech is how much early adoption was (and probably still is) driven by sex -- early modems and hard drives were used to download porn before anything else. Higher res and color screens ditto (it wasn't all for Pagemaker). I first had an online date (meaning someone I met in real life that I met online) in 1987 (yes, way pre-WWW). How if the billion Mr. Musk spends on AI each month to process data (a real statistic, I believe) was devoted to the better AI informed back rub (wink!) then \*I\* would invest.
you mean the truck and semi arent making huge sales?
That is an absolute lie and you know it. He doesn't play diablo, he pays someone to play it for him
How does a stock soar and maintain such heights, despite producing fuck all outside of the 2010s, and having a literal imbecile at the helm?
Hmm, it could still go up, I think people are expecting good Q3 results because of people trying to buy electric cars before the $7,500 tax credit goes away. If you already made a bundle though, you could sell half if you want to take some wins and roll the dice for the remaining half....I have a feeling people will start cashing in on Tesla stock before or after the earnings but not sure which
##HE LANDS ROCKETS
Good distinction to make, he's gonna get the pay package though. He controls alot and alot of the bigger shareholders will assume he won't make the goals and will not want to draw his ire regardless.
I'm curious if proposal 3 (just give Elon Musk 208 million shares) or proposal 4 (give Elon Musk a trillion dollar if TSLA his 8 trillion dollar valuation and some other milestones) will make it. Tbh I think proposal 4 is there solely to make the other proposal seem reasonable. Add that is still giving 70 billion dollars to Musk without any milestones nor any guarantees that he will do anything for Tesla. And yeah everyone that isn't in Musk immediate influence has to effectively vote against it for it to fail. We will see if shareholders want an immediate 6% dilution and another possible 12% later.
Dude just had a billion laying about doing nothing
With money taken from a loan against more Tesla shares. Kinda infinity money glitch bs is this
SEC was invented in 1934 for some reason.
>Elons literally banking on people not understanding how much 1 trillion dollars is A trillionaire could afford to spend about *six million dollars* every hour for about twenty years.
I laugh every time I read about actuators for fingers, or whatever claptrop they keep putting out. The winner in this space will innovate a solution to the hard problems. Not get all the parts off Temu.
I’d bet dollars to donuts someone is already working on that. Mechanized farming has been around since the tractor. With today’s technology it’s easy to see how many things can be done with a driverless tractor or harvester.
We’re a vibes company, baby.
Where did he get a billion dollars from?
Where have you read Tesla has given up on FSD?
Now That’s What I Call A Stock Buyback 2025!™️
# UP ANOTHER MANS ASS
I'm sorry, but don't you still have to like.. Make cars that people want to buy? He uses Tesla stock to buy everything else, will it eventually lose value except for his own (laundered) money?
Only if TSLA gets to some absurd valuation like $8.5T or something.
How is this not the definition of a ponzi scheme? Because he's using his own money? But people are still investing their money based off this manipulated stock price. Is this even legal?
Yeah
"We're not a car, ai, or robotics company - we are an FTL company. Get in on the ground floor" would be so on brand for him
Mexicans and black people in internment camps are cheaper
Faster Than Lies.
Dear God when this bubble pops it's gonna be fun. Holy ponzi scheme batman.
Why would he do that with Tesla circling the toilet?
Quantitative easing
Super emphasis on the “in the future”
There’s a guy working on something revolutionary in the autonomous agricultural space…let me tell you about John Deere
false
He purchased it with loans backed by... his Tesla shares btw lol money is real
lmao, i love this take. meanwhile, fsd just drove me across the country and back without me needing to do a single thing aside from sit and watch the road. whether we get L5 autonomous driving or not, no other car on the road can do what mine just did, and tesla hasn’t “given up” on fsd lolol
Well, they are in Europe because workers have rights and get paid.
Stupidity is the reason
He didn’t sell Tesla shares. That would be disclosed. And no that’s not his most liquid asset.
You aren’t thinking at all.
Just cover your short position and stop crying
Did your TSLAQ friends tell you that Tesla already gave up on FSD? Or the voices in your head
It really feels like Tesla/Elon missed the point. Those other companies built humanoid robots as demonstrators, same as a concept car. Their industrial robot products don't look anything like that. Elon seems to think humanoid robots are the product.
That would solve some problems since that's fraud, and while the banks may be in big trouble you can bet they'll be mad as fuck about the crime. Banks of that size tend to have significant leverage on governments. And you gotta figure one of those banks is in a non-GOP area.
He did get a 20 billion dollar pay package. And they said they would give him a trillion dollar pay package if he can increase the stock value to be worth more than all the companies world wide combined. So he added 5 percent to his 20 billion dollar pay package that he is getting for free.
If you are a dealer you must comply, Do not get high off your own supply
One wonders about the due diligence of the lenders.
It’s just astonishing that this company that makes cars is reaching such astronomical valuations.
He's all in on failure
Not sure if you just don't know what happened or are trying to push a false narrative, but Ryan Cohen bought into BBBY in March. Few hedge funds ran a pump and dump through WSB in August - 4.5 months later.
Also he gained 5bil in net worth after paying 1 bil. This wont last forever, buts its wild to watch for now.
Doesnt seem like so much when you put it like that.
Networth went up 5bil, -14bil
Big plans?
'They'll be able to comprehend simple requests in the future'
It’s all legal if there’s no prosecutor. And since Elmo conveniently ended all the investigations into hisself and his companies while he was co-president*…
Groovy. Yeahhh
Uninformed opinion based on emotions.
I drive with a supervised FSD. It is excellent. And the FSD I have is not the latest FSD. Have you heard of Robo taxis ?
I heard a rumor tesla was for sale. That musk needed the money to fix spacex
“See? It’s *Super healthy. I swear! Somebody just bought like $1 Billion shares, so our little company is just Rick solid, super duper healthy and a-ok.” “Elon… settle down.”
The new thing to replace robots and artificial intelligence... - Organic self replicating intelligence Introducing ** "Hewman Mark II" ** by TeslAIxspace the newest company by Elon that'll buy itself into existing with self evaluated stocks of whatever twice the amount that the other companies owe is.
That $1 billion insider buying boosts his holding $6 billion in value. A 500% return on his $1 billion investment in one day.
>Because he's using his own money? His money? Aren't these loans?
Max 2 hours
Mercedes has level 3. Tesla is level 2 and still hasn't applied for autonomous permits. Let that sink in.
When is the last time you tried FSD?
Isn't xAI the who is paying Twitter loans? He had xAI acquire Twitter at the inflated price. So, he's Scott free now.
Unironically a a self driving flying car would be easier than a regular car. Airliners already have the capability to practically fly the entire route autonomously. You have far fewer variables up in the sky than on a road.
Pump and dump.
The tech bros grew up thinking Star Trek was a technology road map. So they think space travel and humanoid robots are reality.
They should tax these loans as income.
[Here a documentary about the BBBY meme event](https://youtu.be/5pYeoZaoWrA?t=6974)
You have 2 similar apples on the grocery stand. One costs 5 $ The other 350 $ There is zero difference between them. Well felon bought the 350 $ one . He already can buy at 5 $ option. So why did he buy the 350 $ . Weak. To instil confidence and pump the stock. No other reason when he could buy the stock at 5 $ .
Like internet is for porn, so Optimus will be a sex slave
KEY POINT: He is incentivised to GROW the stock price, NOT the company profits. He will do anything to manipulate the stock.
55bn in pay this year and 1bn into stock? This is news?
Someone correct me, is he buying shares to artificially pump up the value in hope ignorant retail investors see this as a safe bet. If retail investors bite and start throwing money in, Elon sells these worthless shares leaving retail investors holding the bag.
Its only taxable if you sell, if you need cash for something, you can leverage your portfolio and pay it back with interest
Yeah dump when he has a pay package for of the stock price goes up. Are you special needs at all?
Apparently you sold your iq
So surprising that Musk thinks his company is going to do well And that he is buying shares to show his great enthusiasm! 1 billion is a less than 1% of his stake in Tesla. This is actually a smoke screen to inflate stock values because things actually suck! People are still not buying the car and we don’t forget the insanity he cause in government and the fear and division he fomented. Do not be fooled!!! It is a classic pump and dump! Musk is trying to inflate his net worth now that he is second! Funny thing is Tesla shares while hot now will crash pushing him to tenth and lower…. Tesla is going to go bankrupt and the trillion dollar pay package for musk will have no value.
People dancing around in robot costumes
And self populating the world
It's not legal. It's stock manipulation and inside trading but I guess rules don't apply when you have stupid amount of money...
Yes. Then you take more loans against your assets (stock, properties, companies) and you use them for everyday expenses, since loans are not income then you do not pay any taxes as normal people do, which in return allows you to make more investments, more assets, more loans. Everything else they hide in family trust or run it through non profits (which also shelters them from taxation).
[https://electrek.co/2025/09/05/tesla-changes-meaning-full-self-driving-give-up-promise-autonomy/](https://electrek.co/2025/09/05/tesla-changes-meaning-full-self-driving-give-up-promise-autonomy/)
I was going best-case. I wouldn't bet against your number.
So does this 0.1% purchase of the outstanding market cap get him the first tranche of his $1T pay package, equal to 7% of the market cap...?
It looks like a pure pump play. If I understand correctly, though his 2018 pay package was in the courts, he was awarded about 100K stock options to hold him over. So the 1b purchase would be about 1% of his options pay? Seems like a tiny amount for him, but appears huge to the retail investor. Check the facts but it sounds like a pure pump play.
My same exact question. I have 34 shares and in like... hmmmm do I switch it to NVDA now, orrrrr
Question.... I bought Tesla stock on a whim when I had a random dream one night. It was in the 200s... Never bought stock before in my life except apple stock back in 06, again, because of a dream... that worked out really fucking well because honestly, I forgot about it until right when Covid hit and I needed money..... so I used that to buy Tesla. I'm debating selling now. Thoughts?
I was going worse case scenario lol Just looking at the Optimus, I don't think the battery is big enough for any real work.
Back to first principles. The notion that those who started first know best and you should do exactly like them is the perfect recipe for technological stagnation. He demonstrated that with SpaceX.
The reason is that analysts are actually expecting (on average) earnings to grow 40% next year (after declining 30% this year). So analysts are still expecting growth to return, which could justify the valuation. Not sure why they think there will be such growth, maybe they’re counting on sales of new models, or robotaxi profits, which all seem unrealistic.
So he’s buying on margin, right ?
It's because Elon knows the "EZ Win Button" to unlocking the 10 trillion valuation and his 1 trillion pay package is: Add a 'fleshlight' adapter port to the Optimus robots.
Let the moron buy all of Tesla stocks, this way he can go down faster. This purchase is meant for those opportunist that still believe is Tesla so they can follow musk and buy more.
... hasnt it... declined and with his little stunt slaughtered purchases from over half his consumer base?
Yeah, maybe analysts think people will forget and sales will rebound. For revenues the current consensus $93B in 2025 (vs $98B in 2024), and $111B in 2026 For EPS the current consensus is $1.70 in 2025 (vs $2.42 in 2024), and $2.43 in 2026. Not sure exactly why they expect a rebound in sales and profits.
Just a casual entire billion plummet. No big deal hyuk hyuk hyuk.
These estimates are the average of 25 analysts, which do this analysis professionally, so they should theoretically know what they’re talking about and have actual models to project these numbers , and not just pull them out of their a**.
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