It doesn't matter if people actualy buy the robots, what's important is that bag holders think people will buy his robots.
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That's too much thinking for the Tesla bulls.
I'm sure they've run the numbers and estimated the gigafactory will pump out 100M supervised popcorn scooping robots by year end. Cathie Wood is ready to raise her price targets again.
Holy shit there is not going to be a robot for your home available for purchase lol why do people not get this
Doesn't everyone want an Elon controlled gestapo agent in their home?
Nope they won't
Next year.
Thank God not a relevant part of the human species wants a nazi sexbot in their homes. And that would only be relevant if a company, led by this imbecile, Elon Musk, would be able to develop and produce such a sophisticated machine. He is a fraud.
The robot will probably not pan out but Musk will have new distractions for the cult.
currently a modest 2,600 per share
It’s amazing to me the fascism and nazism and anti labour stance was not enough to stop everyone from ever wanting to financially supporting this guy. Shame on me for not realizing how many bigots are out there.
Does that mean I'll have to wash my own dishes in my Martian townhouse?
Well, robots are different in one way. Tesla won (for a while) because they were first to market. Not the first EV, but the first EV that anyone outside of the niche eco-market wanted. Now they are falling apart because they are no longer unique or better in any way, other than being unique in having a fascist evil person as the CEO. With robots... they *could* do well, with two HUGE 'ifs' in there. IF they are first to market and there aren't other options, and IF the product is actually useful and at least vaguely affordable, they could do well. Look at Amazon. We all hate Bezos, and he's literally an evil person, but... we all still shop at amazon all the time because he's the only game in a lot of ways. That's how Tesla could succeed in robotics. Making a product exclusive enough to Tesla that our choice is to buy from Tesla, or not buy.
I’m sure there will be at some point. But it will be useless.
It doesn't matter if people actualy buy the robots, what's important is that corporations buy robots to replace workers. And then companies. And then smaller companies. If the experiment works, you'll see your neighbors roof being redone by robots long before it's ever cheap enough to scrub your shower.
Don't support Nazis. Full stop. It doesn't matter what they're selling.
Ross Gerber is a baby. He should just call Musk a conman and be done with it. Why this guy endlessly criticizes Musk in the most feeble ways possible is beyond me.
There might be, but it will be a useless curiosity much like the bricabrac that used to be sold by Sharper Image. Some rich fucks might buy it as a form of conspicuous consumption. Even if Tesla sold a special hand attachment that could give men hand release then it would still need to do something else plausibly useful lest Optimus ownership becomes a marker for “dudes who buy masturbation devices.”
not just from Enron but from any company for foreseeable future
It's a rolling next year.
If the robots programming is as reliable as FSD you might be able to trust them to take out the garbage.
I promise you, there won’t even be a useless one available for sale to the general public. They will probably (eventually) sell some useless ones to a friendly company under very strict NDA, like they did for the Semi. That buys them a few extra years on the stock hype train.
Ketamine Mush can already brick my car at will. Why would I bring, into my home, something that could kill me in my sleep? The thing couldn't even take my garbage to curb because it might be raining.
Haven't the robots been pushed back to 2027 already? Which will surely be pushed back to 2028, then 2029 then..... I mean I am shocked he has been able to keep running the delay play on driverless tech, but how much vaporware can one company maintain?
Well, maybe Grok will work harder when it's asked to write Master Plan #5. To be honest it was kind of busy this time around making hentai porn.
To be honest, he's never actually mentioned which planet his years are referring to. A year on Pluto, for example, is 248 Earth years, so he might actually be right on target.
Sometime in the fall. The robot body shells will be available in the spring. The neutrino power supply can cook eggs in less than a minute, cut through this aluminum can, and still slice tomatoes with ease. The hands are ergonomically designed to easily hold puppies under water as well as wield hatchets. You can pre-order and purchase the concept of the completed version now.
Genius scam artist who does the same sales speech formula for everything.
I know what I can do with a car. I have no idea what to do with a robot.
What color is the sky in your world?
Sure there is. You'll be able to register your interest and get on a waiting list for a modest $10k.That will allow you to buy one in 2030. Pay $25k extra for the Full Automatic Robotting Optional Upcoming Thingy (FAROut). Remote controlled only for now, but once it's fully autonomous you can have it join the RoboRobot service and make money for you! This may require a future upgrade to Hardware 5, 6 or 7+ but just trust us ok?
Counterpoint: No
That was my first thought too. I’m not letting that guy into my house.
Sounds like a Ginsu knife
I think your question is trying to imply I don't understand what reality is. If I'm interpreting it wrong, perhaps you could articulate why or how. It would be more mature than sarcasm.
I bet you 1000 internet bucks that Tesla does try to sell a useless bot of some sort. It will be like those dumb tunnels of his that only exist to suck up taxpayer dollars.
Whaaaa?
They were knives that could cut through cans and rocks in still be sharp. 80s thing
Come on, his robot is going to get more and more stripped down until it's just a blowjob machine
I can see the ad now “you thought you saw fuckups with FSD. Wait till you see what we can do with a popcorn popper. Or pooper as my auto correct keeps on changing it to”
1X is working on a humanoid [robot](https://www.1x.tech/neo) specifically for the home, and argues that it's a better strategy than going to factories first. Their design is quite a bit different than Tesla's, soft and lightweight.
Knowing people who own Teslas , yes they would
Never bet you can remain solvent longer than the market can remain irrational and all that but the check will come due eventually.
Except those made it to market
That sounds rad, but I can't believe it's not butter than squeezing the Charmin. Maybe if they sold them in pairs, threw in a whole steak knife set and a pair of scissors that cut through a penny I'd be tempted to buy it for the low low price of just $19.99.
Tesla owners are the Commodore computer owners of the 21st century.
To be clear, it can only scoop the popcorn into a cup placed on a table in front of it. It cannot put down the scoop or do any of the popcorn prep (e.g., pouring kernels into the popper). It also requires an attendant standing next to it so it doesn't tip over onto any children. I believe it also requires a person operating it remotely in the next room. At that rate, Tesla will quadruple US employment stats when they roll out Optimus popcorn servers nationwide.
Lol
Just what every home needs: a big, racist robot.
“I know my cars try to kill you, but buy this robot that watches you sleep…” one hell of a ballsy sales pitch.
Buy the Nazibot for 30k, then have to subscribe to stop it from destroying your house... Then have to subscribe again, to make it wash dishes... Then have to pay to upgrade it so it doesn't break dishes...
We won’t. The murder Nazi bot? No thanks
Musk companies fundamentally have no interest in competing. They are built to have a superior product, so it doesn't matter that their service, quality, etc are abysmal. When they don't, they fail massively. Like with robotaxis. Why would you take a Tesla, (assuming it works which it doesn't) when you could take a Waymo? Teslas are already terrible taxis for the customer with the ride quality. Let alone the bulk of taxi rides are from liberal leaning city folk who probably don't want to ride the nazi taxi. It's a venture built to fail unless there's no competitor or the price is significantly cheaper.
yours and master's
The robots Elon is building aren’t here to “help humanity” — they’re here to **replace workers.** First they’ll take Tesla’s production line jobs. Then every other job they can. Who owns the robots? The rich. What happens to everyone else? Out of work, broke, unable to buy the products they once built. The robots will be reassigned: building mansions, guarding estates, serving only the elite. Society collapses, the middle class disappears, and we slip back into **digital feudalism.**
Presumably that's because they're actually basing the design on what would be desirable in a home enviroment. Instead of basing the design on 1930's science fiction comics, which appears to be Elon's plan.
Most people don’t even have a Roomba. But sure, everyone will buy $30K robots that don’t work as advertised.
I’m gleefully going to buy his competitors robot after I exhaust his sales team with questions and demos.
I was trying to imply that you’re delusional if you actually believe what you wrote. If you want me to say it bluntly, I will: You’re fucking delusional.
It's because elons deluded and still in his saffer cloud of superiority.
Only a pathological idiot really thinks the Optimus sexbots will be a hit. The ones shilling are mostly liars trying to pump up the stock
It will be an AI in a suit, fresh from New Delhi.
When asked to articulate what you find to be wrong with what I said, you either couldnt or were too juvenile to do so. I feel I won this debate. Do you think these kind of attacks are successful when your opponents read them? I suspect the last word is valuable to you so I'll let you take it.
I have things in my home that can kill me, and things in my home that can move around on their own accord. I am never going to buy something that can both kill me and move around by itself, doubly so if it's made by a Silicon Valley tech company and infinitely so if it's from a fucking Elon Musk company.
I would not trust a tesla robot. Maybe apple.
> You'll be able to register your interest and get on a waiting list for a modest $10k. Don't forget that it'll be non-refundable!
No we will just use disposable plates when we get to Mars. Just throw them outside
The real skill is claiming mission accomplished and dreaming up a new mission when the only thing they sell is 2 variants of the same car.
But think of the value of the marketing data it could gather
Oof plenty of people get away with things they shouldn't
I'm excited for all the fun sabateurs can have with his robotaxis.
You're going to need the long range battery upgrade for an extra $20K if you want it to go all the way to the curb.
> I promise you, there won’t even be a useless one available for sale to the general public. Tesla might not but others will. Won't be a big market but you've been able to buy robots with limited functionality for the home for two decades.
Sure but no stock will stay grossly overvalued forever. The market cap will catch up with the fundamentals sooner or later.
I don't think you are wrong as you didn't added a timeframe, maybe by 2050 we will see something like you describe. Next year, then yes you are delusional
Elon will keep pumping the stock until he can exercise his options, he will move money to his private companies and then let TSLA fall.
Sure but many will get out before that happens, like all of the Tesla BoD members who have been in full sell mode for a while. The bagholders will find out.
PayPal and Starlink are the only profitable businesses. He just buys the other businesses from each other to boost their share value or offset/absorb costs and inflate his own net worth. All while living like a billionaire welfare queen getting his company assets for free and federal/state/local funding for his private enterprises.
I already have a robot that vacuums. It looks nothing like a human though.
What's even worse - there's little reason to think humanoid robots will be coming to homes in any reasonable future. They're probably 30 - 40 years off. Both real-world computational power and battery power are lagging to make them practical. Besides, commercially, specialized machines are much more efficient, and domestic environments are too varied and chaotic for his clunkers.
Is Gerber ok? It's ridiculous to think that Tesla will have a reliable all-purpose robot to sell to the public in coming decades.
With so much wall Street money from different sources riding on Tesla, it maybe to big to let fail. The same folks holding the debit are also holding the stock. If the stock goes to 0 they are holding the debit but none of the assets as they go to the bondholders first. I suspect the Wall Street folks will keep putting money in until some major political or economic event occurs and it will fall with everything else and become just a bit of trivia.
Going a bit further, since Tesla has been known to be slow to pay or would stiff vendors bankruptcy would then make the vendors who are holding Tesla debts will find them uncollectible and more than likely cause an insolvency problem all down the supply chain which will ripple though the economy. Just another reason for wall Street to prop up Tesla, it's not just the Tesla money at risk for them anymore.
That one always made me laugh... a promise of a truck that could beat diesel in what 2020 was it or before? Hauling companies would be killing to get their hands on that.. It can beat freight fElon said?? Even better.. it would revolutionize hauling... Big promise he made... where is it??
It's the con that keeps going and going.
There won‘t be a $20k Tesla bot. Just look at Cybertruck pricing and spec vs what was originally promised.
If people treat waymos badly now, how does he expect people to treat robotaxis when a lot of people hate him?
Paypal is no longer in the Musk sphere. Is Starlink even profitable after accounting for relaunching the entire Satellite group every 5ish years as they decay?
At what point do these robots become cheaper than day-labors? Will most small companies and contractors be able to afford 5+ $150k robots? You said they'll be replacing roofs. So I assume they'll be doing other construction jobs. How will we charge a team of them when they are on remote construction sites? Will they need an Internet connection?
Believe the decay and fault ratio of the micro satellites is much greater than 5 years. They launch satellites with nearly every launch. The rural and third world subscriptions are keeping the company profitable on paper. The launch costs are carried by SpaceX and the government contracts.
150k is about one years salary of a worker. They will be charged by Tesla power banks. That's why Tesla began a parallel energy storage business when they struck out on this adventure. Likely that will need an Internet connection. That's why Musk also has a parallel business in internet anywhere.
Neat so you'll need multiple ongoing subscriptions and devices to support your 150k bot all tied to one company. Investors think that's an excellent idea
Yea. The entire world economy and likely political system will be warped around it. And to see companies built decades ago and functioning smoothly today to handle problems detractors are just now beginning to even consider is a very healthy sign we're following the correct moonshooter.
>The launch costs are carried by SpaceX. "My checking account will stay in the green as long as I pay half of my expenses with my other account."
Like using a credit card with a higher limit to transfer over debt from a card with a lower limit. Except with billions of dollars and umpteen businesses between him, his family, and acquaintances. Explains why Tesla stock is riding high amidst inventory that third tier used car places won't take because it won't sell.
The stock is the product.
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fElon will be introducing a new 5000 part magazine - Optimist Monthly at $100 an issue. Sellotaped to the cover each month will be a new component vital to the construction of your very own personal Optimus robot which you will be able to build with comprehensive instructions within the magazine. Issue 1 out now which includes your first free part - a real stainless steel M4 nut.
> It's a venture built to fail unless there's no competitor or the price is significantly cheaper. won't be long until the Tesla cabs are programmed to engage in taxi warfare against Waymo
>won't be long until the Tesla cabs are programmed to engage in taxi warfare against Waymo Like the one that blocked a Waymo on a narrow street in Austin for about five minutes, until a remote operator took over and steered the Tesla into a driveway? https://supercarblondie.com/tesla-robotaxi-waymo-head-to-head-austin-texas/
If I had the money for a Tesla robot, I'd much rather pay for a live-in servant. Way easier to talk to a person and explain what I want rather than deal with whatever clunky input system the Optimus would have. A paid human also can't get remotely bricked by some corporation because they feel like it and probably won't be sending them detailed marketing info about me.
Well that’s the idea. They don’t work that well yet.
Like an Alexa that can twist your head off like a bottle cap.
Was commodore racist?
They aren't robots, just remote controlled puppets.
Another scam. All of them are scams. This isn't something that can work.
Citation needed.
Even if the software worked, there's no way to power them to actually do anything meaningful for longer than a few minutes. How do you not understand that?
I don't "understand that" because run times for humanoid robots is several hours, right now, while moving objects around and walking. And one company in China has a humanoid that can change its own batteries.
>I don't "understand that" because run times for humanoid robots is several hours, right now, while moving objects around and walking. I don't know where you got that idea but that can't possibly be correct, you can only fit so many lithium batteries in one of these things. I guess you've been listening to lies on the internet.
A bot walking around picking up small objects uses a small fraction of energy compared to an EV moving several tons at high speed for hundreds of miles. It can use a small fraction of the battery. I guess you haven't done math or found sources with actual numbers.
>A bot walking around picking up small objects uses a small fraction of energy compared to an EV moving several tons at high speed for hundreds of miles. It can use a small fraction of the battery. It uses hundreds of watts walking around picking small stuff up. How many lithium cells do you think would fit inside one?
Ok let's take your claim as given. You don't say how many "hundreds" of watts so I'll assume halfway to a kilowatt, so one hour is half a kilowatt-hour. It'll vary by robot but that's consistent with numbers I've seen. A lithium-ion battery pack is about [five liters per kWh](https://www.batterydesign.net/battery-pack-volume). If one hour is half a kWh, then we need 2.5 liters for an hour of time. The average human torso is 20 to 25 liters. If we just fill 10 liters with battery, we have four hours.
Isn't this the guy who started out selling flame throwers to anyone who could afford them because there wasn't a law against it at the time?
There are early adopters and tech enthusiasts but they don't exist in sufficient numbers, especially at an alleged price point of $30k, to get close to a return on investment.
> That's how Tesla could succeed in robotics. Making a product exclusive enough to Tesla that our choice is to buy from Tesla, or not buy. The major play with robotics is B2B. The consumer market will always be secondary. Business' don't care about Musk like consumers do. They could be successful on that front. Reality is that Tesla hasn't shown they can produce anything of great value in the last five years and most of their key talents have long since jumped ship.
Musk never seems to consider the big picture, and either the apparent drug abuse or his personality prevents him from understanding potential risks or downsides to any of his visions. Or that his actions have irreparably damaged Tesla, which is a whole other topic. He rushed out Full Self Driving before it was ready, boasting about how insanely great it was going to be, and now the company is getting sued over the damage it's done out in the real world. He doubled down by rolling out the "Robotaxi" service, which can't be trusted without a babysitter in the driver's seat (because a babysitter in the passenger seat wasn't good enough). Can you imagine the liability risk with millions of Tesla robots out in the real world? With all the unpredictability of real-world environments? He never seems to evaluate the potential negatives of a technology -- as if he's incapable of ever seeing anything but the perfect, end-stage result. And it doesn't seem like there's anyone in his management team willing or able to warn him about these risks. Personally, I've always been amazed that Tesla's corporate attorneys ever agreed to let him turn their Beta (actually, Alpha) driving software loose in the real world. And people are DEAD as a result.
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