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Leaked messages expose Elon Musk contradiction about self-driving technology: 'The only thing he cares of is cost/benefit'

Grunge4U | 2025-09-04 19:06 | 422 views

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Grunge4U 2025-09-04 19:09

Musk isn't as stupid as he looks, he knows he's lying.

[deleted] 2025-09-04 19:10

Well, when Teslas never manages to get FSD to work fully, they can think back to this moment and thank the oracle Musk for having made them spent billions of dollars and years of time to go down the wrong path.

Ok-Patient583 2025-09-04 19:12

The only thing he cares about is himself.

stoverex 2025-09-04 19:15

He wants to exit out of the car business and thinks FSD/robotaxis are the answer.

dynamadan 2025-09-04 19:19

Are you implying the richest man in the universe is selfish?

Buddycat350 2025-09-04 19:21

>"Lidar and radar reduce safety due to sensor contention. … This sensor ambiguity causes increased, not decreased, risk," Musk said in part. And yet millions of people still take that idiot seriously, despite such claims. Ffs, can't someone publicly humiliate him properly so that his financial empire bullshit on bullshiting finally starts crumbling?

jhaluska 2025-09-04 19:24

Musk is the reason Tesla can't get past Level 2.

foo-bar-25 2025-09-04 19:37

Hence no lidar

za72 2025-09-04 19:38

Clearly, his investors also know - they're hoping to make bank till the retail investors figure out they're being sheered

foo-bar-25 2025-09-04 19:39

Keep up please. It’s a robotics & AI company now. Until he fscks that up too.

SolutionWarm6576 2025-09-04 19:49

Wonder how much the Dojo project cost them. Now Diners. No wonder their ROIC and Fcf are declining.

Real-Technician831 2025-09-04 19:50

Tesla is a slow service diner company now, try to keep up.

FlippantBear 2025-09-04 19:54

Haven't you seen that sad as fuck demo of Musks POS robot today?

xxxdrakoxxx 2025-09-04 20:00

its because Tesla is a stock manipulation company that also makes cars.

TradingTennish 2025-09-04 20:03

Robotics he is also losing the race already, so what will be the one after that will make the gazillions? Quantum, alien mining, time travel hyperloop?

CouncilmanRickPrime 2025-09-04 20:06

He doesn't even care about Tesla. After successfully siphoning off as much money as he can from pay packages (he has the most excessive in history) and getting Tesla to invest money, talent and resources in his other companies, he'll still be very wealthy when Tesla stock plummets. Insiders have sold a lot of stock. They're not sure how much longer they can keep spinning this narrative of Tesla as an innovator.

levon999 2025-09-04 20:06

Musk knows Tesla’s future in automobiles is bleak. Driverless Robotaxi is pushed til the end of the year and the value focus has shifted to Optimus. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/musk-tesla-value-optimus-robot.html

ExcitingMeet2443 2025-09-04 20:16

>If Tesla can't do something, it can't be done

grifinmill 2025-09-04 20:18

Pump the stock!

[deleted] 2025-09-04 20:30

And that is different from any other capitalist how?

Ok-Patient583 2025-09-04 20:31

I was not implying it. I thought I was saying pretty directly. 😜

Ok-Patient583 2025-09-04 20:32

The board has been outright negligent in their fiduciary duty - because they profited from it.

Jacktheforkie 2025-09-04 20:34

I’m not surprised tbh

JamesLahey08 2025-09-04 20:39

No. U ggota link for papa?

Calkky 2025-09-04 20:43

I'd hope not, because he looks really stupid.

JRLDH 2025-09-04 21:01

He is the personification of a Grimm’s tale about the stupidity of humanity.

abckiwi 2025-09-04 21:24

Surprised??

FlippantBear 2025-09-04 21:59

https://mashable.com/article/tesla-optimus-grok-robot-video

Retox86 2025-09-04 22:04

Its just stupid, if two sensors argue about whats in front of the car, but the car stops anyway, its safer. But that means that the idea of a fsd car isnt near yet because now you have a car that maybe stopped when it didnt have to. Teslas solution was to remove one of the senors that -sometimes- made the car stop when it didnt have to, but doesnt care about the times it stopped the car to prevent an accident. Thats why we have supervised fsd, because it isnt safe.

egowritingcheques 2025-09-04 22:07

Yes, the human brain works the same way. Humans can't drive because sometimes their hearing doesn't match what they're seeing. /s.

thisnameisnowmine 2025-09-04 22:10

But… But he’s saving humanity nobody has done more for humanity, than Elon Musk

Secret_aspirin 2025-09-04 22:54

The Boeing approach to design

Buddycat350 2025-09-04 23:05

His "robotaxis" needing a driver to supervise them should have been close enough to openly admitting that FSD didn't work. But somehow the charade keeps going on.

PriveCo 2025-09-04 23:10

Oof. Watching that robot fumble while Musk apologizes makes me a little ill.

Loud-Break6327 2025-09-05 05:41

Of course he’s lying, his lips are moving! It’s his tell…

Withnail2019 2025-09-05 05:54

He knows it and enjoys deceiving people.

Withnail2019 2025-09-05 05:56

It's not a robot.

GhostofBreadDragons 2025-09-05 09:14

The problem is Elon has billions in loans on his stock. So for all intents and purposes most of the world’s biggest financial institutions are invested in Tesla. They have a vested interest in keeping the stock price high. That’s why there is a huge range of price valuations for Tesla that vary from $19 a share to $500.

Dommccabe 2025-09-05 09:55

Put this in the drawer labelled; "Things we knew because they were fucking obvious"

HardenedLicorice 2025-09-05 10:43

It's called Sensor Fusion, Elmo. Even human bodies do that by combining all senses. How does that create ambiguity?

Ok-Difficulty7544 2025-09-05 15:25

I seriously doubt that he understands this. You want as much input as possible to make the best decision, not throw one away because it is conflicting.

EarthConservation 2025-09-05 17:06

Not just Tesla. He uses engineers from all of his companies to assist in other companies in his conglomerate. What I'm not sure about is who is actually paying those engineers. For example, SpaceX gets MASSIVE grants, subsidies, and contracts from the US government, enabling them to buy up all the engineering talent. It's known that those engineers have pulled double duty working for The Boring Company and for Tesla. Tesla, which is a massively government subsidized company has done the same. We know Tesla staff were working at Twitter.

El_Guap 2025-09-05 18:46

Yes, redundancy increases risk obviously. 🤦

ZanoCat 2025-09-05 23:40

The man looks like a drugged-up corpse at this point.

EmbarrassedGanache68 2025-09-08 11:57

I mean humans need more than one sensor to drive right it is only practical that a machine would need more than visuals and intelligence to do so also. We use our ears machines would use radar / lidar. Even with a 360 degree field is view in my mind it is still limited.

Bobinss 2025-09-09 16:49

This would be true if the processor used in the equation is equivalent to a Raspberry Pi. If you want to use LiDar and Radar, you need a good processing unit like Waymo uses. Elon prefers the cheap route.

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