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Tesla releases 'Master Plan Part 4', a smorgasbord of vague AI promises

Zorkmid123 | 2025-09-02 03:24 | 262 views

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babypho 2025-09-02 03:33

"At Tesla, we make physical products at scale and at a low cost with the goal of making life better for everyone." Tell that to all the folks that got laid off at Tesla and by Elon.

NtheLegend 2025-09-02 03:33

Master Plan Part 4: Elon Reveals he has no original ideas and was just stealing the ones he did have.

blazesquall 2025-09-02 03:36

No Dyson Swarm promise? What kind of weak ass bullshit is this.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 03:38

> The idea that batteries could be produced affordably and at a scale large enough to pivot the transportation industry away from fossil fuels seemed a fool’s errand Who the fuck ever argued that? As I said the other day - a straw man is the only person fElon will ever best in a match of technical prowess.

CldStoneStveIcecream 2025-09-02 03:45

The culture at Tesla is notoriously bad. People excused it because it looked good on the resume and vested stock option returns.

BrainwashedHuman 2025-09-02 03:45

Aren’t most of Tesla’s batteries manufactured by other companies?

Engunnear 2025-09-02 03:46

Only the ones that work.

y4udothistome 2025-09-02 03:49

MP4 is that a new upgrade

Ok-ChildHooOd 2025-09-02 03:49

So is the 25k Tesla ever coming out?

Engunnear 2025-09-02 03:50

Tesla invented the MP4? Elon is truly a god among men…

ObservationalHumor 2025-09-02 03:57

It's this way with every damn thing Musk involves himself in. There's this bizarre retcon about "What people thought was possible", especially with SpaceX. Oh no one thought reusable rockets were possible! Except they did and research into them was far more ambitious in the 1990s than anything SpaceX has thrown together. Same with this crap. GM built the EV1 and Volt. Nissan had the Leaf out years before the Model S too. But whatever, I guess Musk didn't read that on X so it can't possibly be true right?

Sockoflegend 2025-09-02 04:00

> Optimus—our autonomous humanoid robot—is changing not only the perception of labor itself but its availability and capability. Jobs and tasks that are particularly monotonous or dangerous can now be accomplished by other means. You mean the speeded up video where he served popcorn or stuffed a washing machine painfully slowly?

RN_Geo 2025-09-02 04:07

He knows the hot air is about to escape the market and his company is going to be leading the fall.

coMModusul 2025-09-02 04:07

I still think those were controlled by AI (Actual Indian). Tesla is at least 90% behind most companies that develop humanoid robots. Yet the cult gobble up the idea that in 5 years tens of milions of Tesla robots are going to do chores in peoples homes without any drawbacks (physical danger, efficiency) and at a $30k price...

Beartrkkr 2025-09-02 04:08

Stock to soar 10% tomorrow...

Engunnear 2025-09-02 04:10

There was always a design tenet in electric vehicles: fast, far, cheap - pick any two. Tesla started by forgoing cheap - the Roadster was quick and had decent range for its time, but it was expensive. Then came the Model S, which bit on the other side of the cheap coin. They knew they couldn’t pitch a ‘mainstream’ car that cost $100k+, so they started figuring out where they could cut corners to save money. Using parts that weren’t automotive-qualified (like the MCUs that would leak goo when they got too hot) and skimping on the development cycle would work as long as they could write off repairs under Goodwill and continue to keep the money flowing through stock offerings. This was when fElon saw that he was in his niche, and insinuated himself as a founder. The rest has just been a continuing digression deeper into the cycle of shitty product offerings, poor customer service, and empty promises.

Sockoflegend 2025-09-02 04:11

Boston dynamics (Hyundai) are decades ahead and not making such bold claims. Tesla is a joke

daveo18 2025-09-02 04:14

Can we please get a progress update on master plans parts I, II, and III first?

daveo18 2025-09-02 04:15

The AI bubble is about to burst. Why not tether your company to it now

Engunnear 2025-09-02 04:25

Never is. Never was.

CartographerNo2717 2025-09-02 04:34

you mean the Boston Dynamics that has paying customers and a product catalogue? and a parkour-bot that runs on its own? That boston dynamics?

ArctoEarth 2025-09-02 04:37

This is as dry as eating crackers in the desert sun

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 04:39

Optimus is not an autonomous robot. It's a remote controlled puppet used by a con man for a stock pumping scam.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 04:41

Tough, but fair.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 04:46

The Space Shuttle had reuseable boosters. What was learned from that was that reuseable rockets are not worth building.

zippopopamus 2025-09-02 04:49

He's actually working on a time machine but its all a secret

Engunnear 2025-09-02 04:56

Another lesson-learned is that the real cost is in repairs, refurbishment, and quality checks. SpaceX is still hand-waving that away and talking about gas-and-go.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 04:59

That's right plus you can only launch small payloads if you reland it using fuel the way Space X do.

ChollyWheels 2025-09-02 04:59

\> empty promises. You mean the Roadster won't fly on jets borrowed from SpaceX?

Boblob-in-law 2025-09-02 05:02

What do mean it’s a secret?? How else is he going to deliver full self driving by 2019 as promised??

ChollyWheels 2025-09-02 05:03

Musk is a genius. There must be a huge market potential -- not foreseen by lesser minds -- for automated slow popcorn delivery robots. Why if just half the world's population orders an android popcorn robot, that alone must be worth trillions!

Engunnear 2025-09-02 05:03

Listening to fElon’s original pitch for his vision of the mission profile of the Falcon 9 was what convinced me he was an idiot. He was talking about reusable SSTO as though you could actually put more fuel into the vehicle than what the entire launch stack would weigh.

mrbuttsavage 2025-09-02 05:04

They haven't done a good bit of 2, and 3 as just a bunch of nonsense, so why not another one?

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:06

What most people don't seem to grasp is that there are pretty much always very good reasons why things in a certain field, for example space, are done a certain way. Anyone who claims to be able to do the same things 10 times cheaper is either lying or delusional in almost all cases.

mrbuttsavage 2025-09-02 05:07

> You mean the speeded up video where he served popcorn Even better, it was only there a few days at most. That thing was removed from the Diner after the story was sufficiently pumped.

Bnrmn88 2025-09-02 05:10

When should i buy my shorts for the inevitable fall of this company. I Kind of predict if things ever got really bad they would boot fELON and get a new interim CEO for the pump and dump but i know there is no way this grift can keep going on.

saver1212 2025-09-02 05:11

Holy shit this was probably cooked up by Grok. >How we develop and use autonomy—and the new capabilities it makes available to us—should be informed by its ability to enhance the human condition. Making daily life better—and safer—for all people through our autonomous technology has always been, and continues to be, our focus. So many EM dashes. It's full of meaningless utopian descriptions with zero attempt at describing the science or engineering. Seriously compare this to anything in Master Plan 3. >Ships and Planes >With 2.1PWh of annual demand, if ships charge ~70 times per year on average, and charge to 75% of capacity each time, then 40TWh of batteries are needed to electrify the ocean fleet. The assumption is 33% of the fleet will require a higher density Nickel and Manganese based cathode, and 67% of the fleet will only require a lower energy density LFP cathode. For aviation, if 20% of the ~15,000 narrow body plane fleet is electrified with 7MWh packs, then 0.02TWh of batteries will be required. There are actually dense graphs and projections in Part 3 that at least attempts to justify what needs to be achieved and at what scale, not nonsense about how humanoid robots will nebulously solve the world's sustainability problems by handing out drinks. Absolutely ridiculous how the document meant to govern Teslas official priorities is just AI slop, replacing a 41 page technical document on what milestones "sustainable abundance" even means.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:26

it wasn't automated.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 05:29

Pfft… if Optimus can scoop popcorn, then *clearly* it’s ready to start mining on asteroids. And as we all know, direct labor is obviously the biggest roadblock to asteroid mining.

ChollyWheels 2025-09-02 05:30

\> wasn't automated sure, but wait until the next model.

Boniuz 2025-09-02 05:31

Let’s not also forget that a lot of their financing came from emission-credit-grant sales to other manufacturers (I have no idea what they’re actually called, but the allowed emissions per manufacturer) while they were catching up. These days there are very few manufacturers to sell them to since they’ve all pivoted toward green alternatives in their portfolio.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:35

There's no money in it. Consumers can't afford or don't want to pay what it would actually need to cost.

ChollyWheels 2025-09-02 05:35

Yes! You are on to something. And consider that Mr. Musk is water savvy -- for example the ability of the cybertruck temporarily to act as a boat (Musk never said HOW temporarily). So I expect the robots to be water-ready too. So it's not just asteroid mining. It may also be... UNDERSEA MINING. Those robot suckers can just walz down the shore, pick-ax in hand, and come up with jewels, titanium ore, eatable deep-sea squid, etc. and still have time to pop your night-time popcorn. And this may be Musk's true genius -- inspiring the rest of us to think big. BIG I tell you!

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:35

Coming next year, two years at the most.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:37

If we have 16 billion humanoid robots that walk like geriatrics with a battery life of about an hour stumbling around everywhere, we'll be living in paradise.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 05:39

it was never possible. Only China can do that sort of thing.

Dic3dCarrots 2025-09-02 05:49

If you believe that labor is a fundamentally unskilled bucket of interchsngable drones, it makes sense!

xoogl3 2025-09-02 05:57

Desperate pumping commences.

PossumTrashGang 2025-09-02 06:00

Do you know how expensive an Indian is?!

kpetrovsky 2025-09-02 06:21

He watched Arrested Development and remembered that there's always money in the banana stand

Chris_0288 2025-09-02 06:22

I’m sure autopilot v14.56.56.76.4.4.8 with 10x extra kernels will sort that out

BrendanAriki 2025-09-02 06:24

T least he has moved on from "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely." Maybe he does have some self awareness?

BrendanAriki 2025-09-02 06:26

Yeah, it probably grok drafted at least. Elon is too lazy to do the work and too greedy to pay someone to translate his bullshit.

Lichensuperfood 2025-09-02 06:32

Elon as a business just makes a treadmill of fancy new plans to keep retail investors excited and distracted.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 06:43

They could stop making cars completely and just release an Optimus video every three months.

androgenius 2025-09-02 07:17

Plus it was the original, real founders of Tesla that sat down and did these calculations after getting early experience with lithium ion batteries when they were making ereader devices. They also realised that there were people in Silicon Valley who owned porches and Prius so there was a market for expensive electric sports cars.

DistributedView 2025-09-02 07:27

Tesla the world's largest outsourced compliance car builder.

codykonior 2025-09-02 08:00

Redacted.

ObservationalHumor 2025-09-02 08:23

Congress literally killed the Space Shuttle program and stated that NASA's next system should be expendable after the Columbia disaster too. It was never a problem of vision for even technical viability so much as the largest buyer for launch services taking a hard line against reusable vehicles. Really SpaceX is just getting to the point where the actual launch system has to worry about the risks of reentry that doomed the Columbia too and while it's overall design isn't as complex as the Shuttle's mismatch of systems I do think the HLS proposal is convoluted enough where it could meet a similar fate at some point in the process, that is of course assuming Starship ever reaches the point where it can fulfill that contract.

ObservationalHumor 2025-09-02 08:58

Well it was also driven by big improvements in battery technology too. Lithium ion batteries surpassed NiMH on a lot of fronts and that enabled their use in BEVs. That wasn't driven by Tesla but more mobile device manufacturers like Apple and laptop makers who wanted devices with longer run times as well as the battery OEMs who sought to meet that demand. Even in the last 5 years the main thing that's been driving BEV prices down (including Tesla's lower cost models) has been better lithium phosphate cells and pack level density improvements out of China. Tesla's battery efforts to date have produced little of value. Musk's big contribution has just been marketing those high cost vehicles to primarily coastal liberals who cared about the environment and now he's managed to screw that up too with his politics. Incumbent OEMs didn't dive into BEVs largely because they knew it would take them burning money for a decade to see any return and that their shareholders wouldn't accept that. As usual Musk's greatest super power is the ability to lose tons of money for years and still see the stock price shoot up more so than innovating much of anything. Most of the cost innovation the company has done are the things you've mentioned. Using lower quality components, skimping heavily on the interior and flat out removing features and sensors over the years to the point where their highend luxury vehicle models, the S and X, have seen their sales crater over the years as competition has grown. I mean despite all Musk's bluster their entire line of offerings had around the same number of deliveries as Rivian this most recent Q2. As usual Musk's bluster on innovation has never really materialized into anything that's given Tesla any kind of real advantage and whenever results fail to materialize he moves onto some other increasingly convoluted promise of bigger markets and fatter profits that's just over the horizon and is at this point just throwing out the idea that some Star Trek style post scarcity society is around the corner except instead of being premised on interstellar space travel and the ability to literally convert matter into energy somehow it'll be enabled by him and his ancap billionaires group becoming robot plantation owners or something.

Withnail2019 2025-09-02 09:25

It just takes too much work and time and materials to get a pre used booster up to safe spec again

DistributedView 2025-09-02 09:58

A somewhat related issue is Tesla (under Eberhardt) managed to buy up a load of excess 18650 li-ion cell manufacturing capacity that became available in the mid 00's when laptop manufacturers switched to pouch cells. In many ways this helped significantly by lowering the cost per kWh. Panasonic got a lifeline out of missing the pouch cells trend on a load of new cylindrical factories they'd just built, and Tesla got a better price per cell than any other manufacturer. From a volumetric POV, pouch/ prismatic > cylindrical and Tesla are stuck with that technical debt.

DistributedView 2025-09-02 10:09

The original founders also knew Panasonic had an overcapacity problem as they'd spun up factories for 18650 cells to go into laptops, but the laptop market had shifted to slimmer pouch cells. This allowed Tesla to buy up 18650's from Panasonic on the cheap. 1000s of cells per pack was always a cost thing, I'm sure the engineers at Tesla would have much preferred fewer larger capacity cells in the pack.

Ouch259 2025-09-02 10:20

I am still waiting on my $3 check from DOGE.

ObservationalHumor 2025-09-02 10:51

Wow I didn't know that but that's a great detail for sure. It's kind of nuts that Tesla has invested as much as they have specifically into in housing cylindrical cells of all things too given the superior packing density of pouch and prismatic cells. It feels like there was so much low hanging fruit there in terms of additional density that and cost reductions that they just gave up because they were used to using cylindrical cells and seemingly so concerned about line velocity and floor space requirements of the factory itself.

jpk195 2025-09-02 10:58

This. The original "master plan" was just a product roadmap that existed for a decade before he presented it.

ionizing_chicanery 2025-09-02 11:10

Tesla Master Plan 3 (April 2023) was a 39 page with a lot of graphs and numbers on global energy systems. It didn't mention climate or the environment at all, instead merely referring to fossil fuels as "unsustainable" and "wasteful". And it was far outside the scope of Tesla's actual businesses. But at least it presented a broad vision for large scale decarbonization that was largely in line with mainstream consensus on what we need to do. Master Plan 4 is a total joke in comparison. It's just a few pages long, says basically nothing about energy and is full of useless platitudes and ridiculous promises of economic enrichment and "infinite growth" It even features the return of old AI slop classics like the family playing jenga wrong with the outdoor lamp (but they've clipped out the actual Optimus for some reason??)

MoltoPesante 2025-09-02 11:19

I love how salty electrek, who used to just try to kiss Tesla’s a**, has become.

IShouldNotPost 2025-09-02 11:24

How is nobody commenting on the insane claim “growth is infinite” - not “growth in these areas are complementary” or “growth is not mutually exclusive” but literally “growth has no boundaries”, it’s not limited by workforce, capital, real estate, finances, environmental impact, natural resources, etc. > Shortages in resources can be remedied by improved technology, greater innovation and new ideas. We can poof resources into existence with the vague hope of ideas we don’t have yet. > The technologies that gave us the ability to power machines led to industrial revolutions that have widened our economic landscape, creating more opportunities for all. Is he literally claiming the Industrial Revolution as proof that Tesla can achieve these things? > Our desire to push beyond what is considered achievable will foster the growth needed for truly sustainable abundance. This is The Secret, corporate edition. Why would our desire have any impact whatsoever on the real world? > For centuries, humanity’s primary mode of transportation was the horse. No it wasn’t. The primary mode of transportation was everyone’s goddamned feet. > The idea that batteries could be produced affordably and at a scale large enough to pivot the transportation industry away from fossil fuels seemed a fool’s errand—until Tesla led the way forward. They haven’t achieved this yet. The industry has not pivoted. Don’t do victory laps until you win the race. > Through continued innovation, we have overcome the technological constraints of battery development and built an industry powered by renewable resources. We have not yet. This is not accomplished.

bikesnotbombs 2025-09-02 12:47

i think i heard hyundai bought it too, but they still arent worth 1T

ArchitectOfFate 2025-09-02 12:51

My boss is a "Musk guy" if you will and has been fully huffing this mindset for two years now, including the "there are infinite companies and finite companies" bullshit, and it's driving me insane. My one-on-ones basically read like this "master plan," complete with the historical ignorance and my increasingly exasperated replies that sound a lot like yours. It was funny the first ten times. By now I'm completely over it. Musk has almost single-handedly rotted the brains of two entire generations of capable and competent engineers and we're all worse off for it.

New_Half_6055 2025-09-02 12:54

Broski is shooting for "10x safer fsd than manual" yet can't even get 1:1 with manual

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 13:12

Chuckle. Didn't TSLA just scrap its "Dojo" project? And divert its chips to another company? Seems TSLA will need the help of some 3rd party in order to achieve AI Nirvana. Rubs chin...I wonder...which "AI Company" will TSLA pick to shower with its remaining cash reserve? I'm not sure - gonna go ask Grok.

Theyseemetheyhatin 2025-09-02 13:13

Not to forget that one year ago Elon promised that Optimus would be available for general market in December (2024).

Bocifer1 2025-09-02 13:21

Where did the flamethrower and Boring company land on this “master plan”?

Sockoflegend 2025-09-02 13:33

At some point you would think his consistent lying is just fraud

No_Pen8240 2025-09-02 13:44

MY feelings about Tesla Master plans \#1) Eberhard's dream --- Massive success. This plan is what made me fall in love with Tesla in 2018. (Written by Elon, but it was Eberhard and Tarpenings plan in 2003) States the goals of Roadster ->> Model S/X --> Model 3 Also, it shows the math of how even a Coal powered Tesla is less CO2 than a prius given enough time on the road. \#2) Dreams of FSD and Robotaxi's in ever market segment -- FAILURE (I use to believe this crock of \_\_\_\_\_\_) Claims that Solar tiles + Powerwall will be seamless integration (See 2016 meeting, it was suppose to be more affordable than regular roof tiles. Claims that the Semi/Pickup/High occupancy vehicles are coming out in 2017 Claims FSD and Robotaxi technology, and you will make money "sharing" your car. \#3) What is needed "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy" -- Failure While it is mostly vague promises, Elon surprised me and it looked like Tesla was focusing on sustainability and green energy. I thought we had the initial focus of what made Tesla great coming back. Why failure? Because Since then Tesla has said it is "an AI company" and lost focus on this plan. What's worse, just look at the massive pollution over at xAI. . . Elon doesn't give 2 $#@!s about renewable energy if he is running portable low efficiency natural gas to power xAI. Elon care's about 1 thing, he wants to be #1 in AI and Space now. The mission of Tesla is to fund SpaceX and xAI. \#4) Lots of vague promises -- It's just not really a plan. Failure? no. . . it's not a plan, you can't fail if you don't make an actual plan.

Few-Masterpiece3910 2025-09-02 13:46

not necessarily. The main reasin ESA isn't doing it, is because they don't want to build a stack of boosters and then shutting down their production line. And then trying to start production up again when the boosters are worn out or they want to develop a new one. Its a industrial policiy as it provides an industry and a workforce thats needed to support military projects such as missiles and rockets and so on. SpaceX/ Elon doesn't care. He makes a car and then stops developing it for 10 years. And his "new" project at SpaceX is Starship. They probably did loose a ton of talent that developed the F9. But they have such a large share of the market that they're still producing new F9s

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 14:18

The statement is loaded - it pre-supposes that today's BEVs *don't* use fossil fuels. That's not really true.

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 14:19

Elon will just skip the "safe" part.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 14:24

Even if they only reuse them for cargo - what does he care if a bunch of Caribbean people have Starship debris rain down on them?

[deleted] 2025-09-02 14:32

Yeah, I think that people think they can just technology any problem away (including limited natural resources).  Because we had the industrial revolution, they think technology is always going to increase at that pace, ignoring the tech pace of the rest of human history.  I hope I am wrong but I think a lot of the low hanging tech fruit has been picked and eventually tech overall will just straight up hit a hard ceiling or at the very least significant diminshing returns.  My two cents at least.

dtyamada 2025-09-02 14:56

>It’s nothing more than a smorgasbord of AI promises about its humanoid robot, which can’t even serve popcorn That line pretty much sums up all of Tesla's recent progress

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 15:30

Serious question: When Elon starts launching 1,000 starships to Mars during every launch window (at most 4 months in duration)...with each craft requiring 15 more fuelers launched...a launch cadence of 1 launch every 10 minutes... Is the FAA *really* going to shut down all air travel in the region for months at a time, so we can "extend the light of consciousness"?

pyrrho314 2025-09-02 15:30

"carbon credits"?

pyrrho314 2025-09-02 15:35

programmers should know more than anyone what computers can't do. it's crazy, but most programmers are not so good at it so I guess it tracks

curiousitymdg 2025-09-02 15:38

Dude, if you’ve lost Fred Lambert you are really toast.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 15:48

Only luddites and haters do the math.

iIdentifyasGrinch 2025-09-02 16:00

It'll come right after the Tariff check

XKeyscore666 2025-09-02 16:28

Even the name is stolen. Führer Elon has declared Generalplan Ost 4!

TormentedOne 2025-09-02 16:35

Why are there no other reusable rockets still? Why are there no other companies producing EVs profitably? Where are the other companies grid scale batteries? I understand not liking Elon, but you are pretending that nothing he did was special or unique and I am here wondering where you're examples of this are.

[deleted] 2025-09-02 16:56

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ChollyWheels 2025-09-02 17:23

NOW you tell me! Always a catch.

chrisjdel 2025-09-02 18:03

That whole booster catch thing is cool and all. It would be really helpful if the primary vehicle *where the crew would be* didn't spin out of control and come down in ten thousand flaming pieces every time. When are investors and the public going to figure out Elon will **never** land a person on Mars? If you look at what astronauts would have to endure spending months on that so-called Starship (even if it functioned properly) it's pretty clear his mission profile is not viable. He gets something like $8 million a day of taxpayer funds - our money. That's the real point of the exercise. It's how he built his entire bloated fortune, mooching off corporate welfare.

Fun_Volume2150 2025-09-02 18:14

I would not bet against Tesla acquiring xAI/Xitter, thus bringing all of Musk’s major properties under one roof again, minus SpaceX.

Fun_Volume2150 2025-09-02 18:17

Also, it was Panasonic at first, and then CATL and BYD, that made batteries cheap. Stolen valor is something I truly despise.

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 18:20

Well, I suspect Musk would rather just funnel TSLA's money to his other companies, and not deal with corporate governance. But anything is possible.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 18:20

aka emissions swap credits. They go by several names.

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 18:31

Its amazing how many of Technoking's claims are refuted by napkin math. More napkin math. Mars launch window is on 26 month cycle...16k Starships weigh 176 billion pounds...so 225 million lbs of materials/fuel have to be moved to launch sites each day...around 3 loaded semi trucks per minute, morning, noon, and night, for a solid 26 months. The daily semi requirement equals almost half of Wal Mart's entire fleet.

Engunnear 2025-09-02 18:45

I'd give him some credit if he could even get to 1:10.

Fun_Volume2150 2025-09-02 18:56

A money funnel brings up corporate governance issues, too. Although perhaps he’ll take Tesla private in an all-stock deal with newly issued shares of Xitter. BOD approval would be a lead-pipe cinch.

[deleted] 2025-09-02 19:41

I have not seen people so desperate to avoid a technology since that paper clip. It lasted about 10 years.

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-02 20:44

Whenever the stonk tumbles after Musk says something stupid, the speculation starts that he's just tanking the stronk so he can buy TSLA...but I'm not so sure. TSLA is his piggy bank that he borrows against. I don't think he or any of his companies could or would buy TSLA.

ObservationalHumor 2025-09-02 21:39

Reuse is more an issue of investment and return than anything else. You need to literally launch a ton of rockets to see any ROI on the design changes and that's a big part of why SpaceX ended up pursuing Starlink too. Obviously you have stuff like New Glenn and possibly Rocket Lab's electron aiming for reuse and even ULA is apparently moving forward with their SMART reuse testing now that Amazon is launching its Kuiper constellation. Companies just need some demand to actually anchor the research and development cost to justify reuse more than anything else. Regarding everything other profitable BEV companies... there are several other companies doing to just that. BYD probably being the biggest example. This isn't 2012 (and even Tesla wasn't profitable then) and Tesla's competition isn't just relatively new US based startups either. Same goes for grid scale storage, there's a ton of companies that do it and Tesla really doesn't have much of any moat there since it's largely just packaging batteries and installing/consulting on the systems.

42ElectricSundaes 2025-09-02 22:32

Still waiting on 2 and 3

practicaloppossum 2025-09-03 00:22

The bit I loved was "over the last fifty-plus years, cars with internal combustion engines powered by fossil fuels became the standard". So according to Elon, apparently the automoble became popular in 1975 or thereabouts.

soldieroscar 2025-09-03 01:15

Elon trying to gaslight more “ai robots guys”. Problem is 300 other companies are doing the same, some with huge leads and patents.

usual_suspect_redux 2025-09-03 02:21

Lolz

Odd-Adagio7080 2025-09-03 04:22

When Musk says, “Master Plan”, why does it sound so much like “Final Solution” in my mind?”

solar-car-enthusiast 2025-09-03 06:14

In the USA, the NHTSA's Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulation.

Withnail2019 2025-09-03 08:39

Humans just can't survive for long in deep space. Humans will never ever land on Mars.

jaaagman 2025-09-03 15:20

I thought the xAI was supposed to be the AI branch of the Musk empire. Not sure what AI Compute here means. If we are to take Musk at his word and trust his history of delivering promises, this is all a big show of nothing.

chrisjdel 2025-09-03 15:51

Solar system travel won't become practical until the advent of fusion propulsion technology. Chemical rockets are impractical for anything beyond lunar exploration and the sending of automated probes beyond Earth-moon space. The effects of reduced or zero gravity could be overcome with treatments that suppress the natural atrophy process, or by genetic modification. So people will be able to spend years on the moon or at asteroid mining facilities and still be able to return to Earth. You could theoretically modify the genes of children born in a lower gravity environment so that they develop Earth normal physiques under that reduced gravity. Still, Mars colonization is a stupid idea. We can't survive on the surface and the materials needed for terraforming aren't available on planet. Who wants to live in a giant bunker city? Solar system settlement will probably happen by construction of massive habitats with their own spin induced gravity and a self-contained ecosystem that makes life there almost indistinguishable from living on a planetary surface. This may also be how we eventually manage interstellar travel assuming FTL does indeed turn out to be physically impossible - which is likely, but not certain.

ArQ7777 2025-09-03 22:57

Master Plan - A fiction by Elon Musk.

CowEducational7672 2025-09-04 01:31

Dr. Muskrat, inventor of the oxygen stealer business. What a class act human.

Withnail2019 2025-09-04 06:58

Yep, fossil fuels are used at all stages of manufacturing, repairs, charging the EV's and building and maintaining the road networks they drive on. This is a fossil fuel powered economy and always will be until it dies.

Engunnear 2025-09-04 13:37

Hydrocarbons will always have a place in practically all industries - it's just that they won't necessarily be most economically obtained by pulling them out of the ground.

Lacrewpandora 2025-09-04 14:35

I've done civil engineering work on the fringes of the chemicals industry. It fascinates me that so many of our plastics/polymers are practically byproducts of refining crude oil into fuel. It would be a strange reality if oil were extracted and refined solely to make into the plastics we've all grown to rely on. I dunno...just seems like an aspect of weaning off fossil fuels that seems to be ignored. We would still refine oil, I believe...and presumably be left with tons of "byproduct" in the form of flammable fuel we no longer need.

Withnail2019 2025-09-05 05:09

> We would still refine oil, I believe...and presumably be left with tons of "byproduct" in the form of flammable fuel we no longer need. Oil production woouldcease if that happened and civilisation would collapse.

Withnail2019 2025-09-05 05:13

We have to pull them out of the ground.. If we stop doing that, civilisation collapses and we all die.

fastwriter- 2025-09-05 16:11

You are simply forgetting radiation. You will be dead from radioactive poisoning way before lack of Gravity becomes a problem for the Human Body. The only viable shielding is water. But you would have to take on an incredible amount of it and therefore have no more payload available. From A to Z this Mars thing is just Science Fiction and a complete fraud.

fastwriter- 2025-09-05 16:14

Tesla literally repackaged Laptop Batteries for their cars in the beginning.

chrisjdel 2025-09-05 18:46

That's part of why we can't survive on the surface. Even astronauts in specially shielded suits would be absorbing a level of radiation that could only be sustained for a limited time. Not to mention micrometeorites which the Martian atmosphere is too thin to stop. The moon has the same problem. With enough astronauts on the lunar surface for a long enough time, sooner or later someone will be injured or killed by a random pebble impacting at high speed. Automated equipment will be key to setting up outposts in space. Machines dig and build the initial shelters, perhaps even the whole facility. Humans only go outside if it's absolutely necessary. Many of these places will have small crews overseeing fleets of machines in the external environment. Lunar bases have the advantage that a drone operator on Earth can control the worker bots, signal lag being only a minor inconvenience. Farther into the solar system you'd either have to send someone along or use AI automation. There is a bacterium called Deinococcus radiodurans which has a unique ability to sustain truly massive doses of radiation. It has a genetic repair mechanism that can continually restore damaged DNA. Colonies of this stuff have been discovered thriving inside the cores of nuclear reactors. That unique repair mechanism could be the basis for the kind of anti-radiation meds often depicted in science fiction. Or, if we find a way to integrate it into our own genome, make humanity essentially radiation proof. Now there are radiation levels too high for even d. radiodurans to handle. But the level required to kill them is so high it rarely occurs naturally outside the vicinity of pulsars, black hole accretion discs, or other high energy astronomical phenomena. Not something we really need to worry about.

b-side61 2025-09-05 22:32

Master plan creation is now autonomous, at least.

mimmesmo 2025-10-05 02:45

Hahahaga quanta inveja. Qualquer empresa do mundo gostaria de ter ou ser 1% do que a Tesla mencionou ou mostrou no artigo/ video. O master plan é isso: abundância sustentável. A empresa fazendo sem ajuda de governos - que o Elon SEMPRE foi contra - sem o mimimi catastrófico climático. A Tesla não promete, Elon não promete: eles fazem. Model Y carro mais vendido no mundo Tesla Energy salvando utilities arcaicas e aumentando a margem delas AI que pouca gente entende já está funcionando no FSD e Robotaxi... Isso é o futuro Não adianta comunista petista marxista nazista fascista ficar reclamando e tentando fazer FUD. Essa babaquice é em vão. Mais uma vez os OTÁRIOS no Brasil se colocando fora do mundo moderno. Enquanto isso, quem aposta no futuro e já foi embora, aproveita

mimmesmo 2025-10-05 02:49

Sim, porque os burocratas estatais ineficientes demoravam 9 meses para preparar aquele lixo arcaico para voar novamente. Falcon 9 hoje resolve em 3 dias. A um custo ultra baixo.

mimmesmo 2025-10-05 02:51

Eu fico muito chocado com a pequenez do comunista petista fascista brasileiro e os argumentos mais absurdos contra o Elon Musk, contra a Tesla e contra a SpaceX e qualquer outra coisa. Se preparem para perder enquanto colocam o Brasil cada vez mais afundado no passado e refém dessa ideologia arcaica comunista. Vocês se enterram a cada dia.

Ok_Buffalo_1820 2026-03-05 15:41

Maybe Tesla is the most over-valued stock on the planet. When do you think it is time to short this nonsense?

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