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Sam Altman despises Elon Musk. Now he is going after his companies

forbes | 2025-08-18 15:58 | 1015 views

The OpenAI CEO is challenging his former friend, one company at a time. Twitter, Tesla and even Neuralink are in his sights. Read more: [https://go.forbes.com/c/dLDs](https://go.forbes.com/c/dLDs)

Comments (138)
etaoin314 2025-08-18 16:00

fight, fight fight!!

CivilWay1444 2025-08-18 16:09

Bros breaking up?

luv2block 2025-08-18 16:09

It's so ridiculous that these idiots can't behave like rational adults. This is an admonishment of capitalism that these types of people are the "cream" that rises to the top.

desvenne 2025-08-18 16:11

They sound more like spurned lovers that can’t get over the break-up.  Why do these prople have all that vitriol and resentment in them?  Let it go….

[deleted] 2025-08-18 16:12

they both suck

Jealous_Check_6789 2025-08-18 16:15

None of these super rich people hate each other as much as they hate common people. We need to remember this.

Dommccabe 2025-08-18 16:17

The psychos rise to the top. Thats how they can steal, lie and cheat without feeling remorse. That's how musk could cut federal aid to countries in dire need causing the deaths of possible thousands or more. He doesnt give a shit about others.

lt1brunt 2025-08-18 16:20

I think AI is going to changed society for bad or good, at least Sam Altman is not a racists/nazi. I  hope Sam mopes the floor with Elon.

DocCEN007 2025-08-18 16:22

May they obliterate each other in a poo tornado that also takes out the dozens of other evil oligarchs!

[deleted] 2025-08-18 16:26

Venture capital optimizes for psychopaths for CEOs. They don't want anyone who can understand risk, or entrenched customer bases and products. They want someone who will challenge everything like a pitbull trying to eat a herd of elephants.

ClassicT4 2025-08-18 16:29

How long before Leon challenges him to a cage match that he would find an excuse to back away from. Again.

jason12745 2025-08-18 16:31

This is the advantage of capitalism over a command economy. Directing hundreds of billions of dollars to companies that don’t make money and put out products that work 95 percent of the time while the leaders become fabulously wealthy.

jayplus707 2025-08-18 16:33

Hopefully he’s not another Nazi.

Sharaku_US 2025-08-18 16:40

That would be very interesting: a Jewish Nazi. But then again look at the GOP.

TOPLEFT404 2025-08-18 16:40

Oh boy 2 assholes fighting to eventually destroy the world

jayplus707 2025-08-18 16:44

We live in crazy times, nothing is out of bounds anymore….

The_Original_Miser 2025-08-18 16:45

*Let them fight.*

AdministrationTop772 2025-08-18 16:49

Musk sucks more

North-Outside-5815 2025-08-18 16:51

Two despicable men

guynet 2025-08-18 16:51

i despise them both where's my news article

Festering-Fecal 2025-08-18 16:52

They can both fuck off

Zen13_ 2025-08-18 16:53

Cada um pior que o outro...

ZanoCat 2025-08-18 16:53

How about a cage fight? I mean, Elmo still has to fight Zuck as well.

StanchoPanza 2025-08-18 16:54

Both cream & scum rise to the top

DeadMoneyDrew 2025-08-18 17:00

Oh look. A dickhead fight. Anyway it's lunch time and I'm going to go make a roast beef sandwich.

Fearless_Serve_3837 2025-08-18 17:05

Oligarch fight! Win or lose, we all lose.

PoilTheSnail 2025-08-18 17:08

Ever stirred a swamp with a stick? Then you know what floats up to the top.

Dch131 2025-08-18 17:10

Sam actually has some intelligence while Elon is a conman marketer who wouldn't be able to run a restaurant.

FlexFanatic 2025-08-18 17:12

Musk said in public he changes the responses Groq outputs. Just last week xAI said it would fix the response about OpenAI/chatgpt

joeythemouse 2025-08-18 17:12

Oh good. May they finish each other off.

noodlesallaround 2025-08-18 17:13

Battle of the Billionaires. Let them eat cake.

marmoset 2025-08-18 17:13

Stephen Miller has entered the chat.

joeythemouse 2025-08-18 17:13

Erm. His mummy sent a note.

Euthyphraud 2025-08-18 17:15

Altman has invoked my ire especially as a result of him being a gay man who has been peddling the most sophisticated AI tech to the Saudis and UAE. Those countries will turn it on their populace to hunt down gay men like Altman and his husband. But they happily stand for photo ops and have meetings with him because he has money and tech they want. As a married gay man I am appalled by his willingness to cozy up to people openly wanting to put us to death. I want to admire him - it is nice having a gay man (who isn't Peter Thiel) at the top of the tech industry. But damn, talk about undermining gay rights.

zooberwask 2025-08-18 17:15

Absolutely. They have more class solidarity than we do.

curiousengineer601 2025-08-18 17:23

Whatever happened to the Musk - Zuckerberg fight?

[deleted] 2025-08-18 17:25

theyre the same person

HereWeGo5566 2025-08-18 17:31

Altman is also a lunatic in his own right. He’s no hero.

empire_of_the_moon 2025-08-18 17:33

Interesting that Altman (Diller, Geffen etc) could easily fund a robust defense of Obergefell but they just don’t. Because when you are a billionaire rights don’t matter. You can be gay in Saudi Arabia as long as you are royal or very, very rich. So those rules don’t apply to Altman. Edit: typo

happymancry 2025-08-18 17:37

Sam Altman is just as bad of a human being, if not worse. Look up why his own board at OpenAI wanted to fire his ass, before big daddy Microsoft came in to stop the board, in order to protect their investment.

Guilty_Strawberry965 2025-08-18 17:38

Fine, i won't berate AI for a day. He earned it

Rafxtt 2025-08-18 17:38

Like his former(?) friend TACO, Musk is a MACO.

Turbulent-Warthog449 2025-08-18 17:40

Cool, I despise both of them and their companies

etaoin314 2025-08-18 17:40

his mom said he was not allowed to roughhouse with his friends

Visual_Collar_8893 2025-08-18 17:40

Tim Cook is also in the tech big names.

XmasNavidad 2025-08-18 17:41

He came up with one excuse after another when he realised Zuck actually trained BJJ. The last excuse was that Musk’s mother forbade him to fight…

curiousengineer601 2025-08-18 17:45

Is that real? How is this guy the richest man on the planet?

hilldog4lyfe 2025-08-18 17:48

Musk is SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Altman. Of course he’s also older so his resume is longer

hilldog4lyfe 2025-08-18 17:48

The gay Jew?

XmasNavidad 2025-08-18 17:50

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-mother-model-maye-warns-against-mark-zuckerberg-fight-2023-6

theedenpretence 2025-08-18 17:58

Can we have a 3 way?

johnsom3 2025-08-18 18:19

This is like Highlander, but with grifters. There can only be one!

MoleMoustache 2025-08-18 18:24

They really aren't.

MoleMoustache 2025-08-18 18:25

Nobody said he is. Dickheads can exist on different levels.

MoleMoustache 2025-08-18 18:25

He isn't close to being worse than Musk, behave. >Look up why his own board at OpenAI wanted to fire his ass You tell us what you think it was based on your speculation. The only official line is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_OpenAI, none of which make him worse than Musk being a fucking nazi who has done everything Altman has done for a longer period, to more people, with a greater negative impact.

hypercomms2001 2025-08-18 18:31

Yes, and I do hope that Enron Musk loses his head, metaphorically speaking……

Impressive-Kick5 2025-08-18 18:38

Good luck to both sides😈

JamesLahey08 2025-08-18 18:43

That picture LMAO. Neither of them should be allowed to wear sunglasses.

Exact_Setting9562 2025-08-18 18:53

Isn't Altman the one with the bunker he built because he doesn't trust his AI ? He might even be worse than Musk. Which is hard to do.

jregovic 2025-08-18 18:56

He shamelessly lies, moves the goal posts, courts sycophants, and then relentlessly moves forward as if his failure to deliver was just a step to the next big thing. The media and investors eat it all up.

Engunnear 2025-08-18 19:00

Please, please, *please* let them try to settle this by racing rockets to Mars.

YugoReventlov 2025-08-18 19:07

If he's gay, why did he r*pe his sister?

North-Outside-5815 2025-08-18 19:08

See exhibit Stephen Miller

TheMightyBattleCat 2025-08-18 19:12

In the Colosseum no less, that he had totally legitimately "booked"! He also challenged Putin and Johnny Depp to a cage fight. Hopefully one day someone takes him up on it.

FrogmanKouki 2025-08-18 19:16

What friends?

curiousengineer601 2025-08-18 19:30

Putin is 72 years old? Musk is 54. Isn’t that elder abuse?

bringtwizzlers 2025-08-18 19:31

He's just like me fr

Dharmaniac 2025-08-18 19:36

You win today’s Internets

etaoin314 2025-08-18 19:38

they are from canada, you wouldn't know them

TheMightyBattleCat 2025-08-18 19:47

I think Putin would kick the living shit out of him.

Truth-Eagle 2025-08-18 19:50

Deport Elon musk and release Epstein files.

[deleted] 2025-08-18 20:19

I hate all these people and I hope they make each other miserable.

ej_21 2025-08-18 20:31

yeahhhhhhh, honestly……whatever comes from this piss fight, unless it’s some sort of dramatic mutual destruction, we all lose

CunningWizard 2025-08-18 20:43

Let me put it this way to frame what the guy above is saying: Musk is delusional enough that he thinks he won’t need the bunker because he’ll be revered as a god king engineer.

CunningWizard 2025-08-18 20:46

The biggest lie most of us were taught as kids was that being smart and ethical will be the natural way to success. The reality is it’s psychos like Trump and musk: sometimes bottom barrel morons, sometimes midwits, but with lots of insecurity and drive, who are the ones willing and able to fuck over the number of people it takes to succeed. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather be a good and smart person and those around me too, but it doesn’t lead to big time success.

Unlucky-Work3678 2025-08-18 20:50

Tesla has no advantage of literally anything they have touched. I hope it will be the case soon for SpaceX. Something tells me that without Tesla, SpaceX is only going to burn money without sustainability.

Boheed 2025-08-18 21:41

I just hope both sides have an awful time

y4udothistome 2025-08-18 22:11

That’s because Sam Altman is smart close them all down start over let them keep his diner though

relaxyourshoulders 2025-08-18 22:13

Lol, whatever. They’re both vaporware salesmen.

y4udothistome 2025-08-18 22:13

When you figure it out please let us know the question is will Cassala even be around in five years we know the cab company wont be. His time or should I say 15 minutes or years is coming to an end

y4udothistome 2025-08-18 22:14

Tesla but Cassala works.

DoomshrooM8 2025-08-18 22:23

It’s all just games - lying to everyone is just business as usual

Hadleys158 2025-08-18 22:31

A lot of these Silicon Valley CEOs have bunkers. Peter Thiel: New Zealand. Mark Zuckerberg: Hawaii Bill Gates: Washington State and maybe California Here's a quote. LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman has told the New Yorker that at least 50% of Silicon Valley’s wealthiest have ‘apocalypse insurance’ - either an underground bunker or a contingency plan in case of disaster. "Saying you're buying a house in New Zealand is kind of a wink, wink, say no more.”

ThetaDeRaido 2025-08-18 22:37

Rape is about power, not attraction.

NoApartheidOnMars 2025-08-18 22:59

Wouldn't it be great if they both went bankrupt fighting each other ?

m0nk_3y_gw 2025-08-18 23:12

You don't become the richest guy on the planet without being profoundly weird.

Useful_Response9345 2025-08-18 23:16

[fight! fight! fight!](https://tenor.com/view/marilyn-manson-the-fight-song-football-gif-3564705?utm_source=share-button&utm_medium=Social&utm_conten)

Think_Monk_9879 2025-08-18 23:23

Do people actually enjoy seeing news about these billionaires every day?

curiousengineer601 2025-08-18 23:26

You could be weird in a cool way like being super in tune to people or can do high level math in your head. Not weird in a “lets have a bunch of kids with many women and post nazi stuff”

tuctrohs 2025-08-18 23:26

He just wasn't as strategic as musk was at packing his board with sycophants.

TheNamesDave 2025-08-18 23:43

>Sam actually has some intelligence while Elon is a conman marketer who wouldn't be able to run a restaurant. [Considering the state of the 'Tesla Diner', I wholeheartedly agree with you!](https://www.salon.com/2025/08/18/teslas-futuristic-diner-fizzles/)

hilldog4lyfe 2025-08-19 00:08

You think Altman is worse because he has a bunker? You have a strange ethical framework Musk’s USAID cuts are estimated to result in **14 million preventable deaths** by 2030 [according to the Lancet](https://ph.ucla.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-more-14-million-preventable-deaths-2030-if-usaid-defunding). Or maybe you don’t care because they’re African?

hilldog4lyfe 2025-08-19 00:21

It’s not even that unusual. My friend’s house growing up had a small bunker in the basement because it was built during the Cold War. Prepping is almost an American tradition at this point.

whimsyoak 2025-08-19 00:36

How can he despise Elon Musk when they’re both very close with Peter Thiel

Hadleys158 2025-08-19 01:01

Yeah, but your friends parents aren't causing the oncoming calamity. These people are a big part of the worlds problems, and they think they will be ok from the problems they are causing, if it's not bunkers, it is Mega yachts and lear jets etc. They think they can escape and leave the rest of us behind to burn. I'd love to see how loyal their staff and bodyguards end up being in these end of days type situations. It would be more likely they'd be overrun by locals or their own bodyguards.

Bravadette 2025-08-19 01:08

Let them fight.

[deleted] 2025-08-19 01:08

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ProgrammerOk8493 2025-08-19 02:27

Let’s go!

Soggy-Ad-3981 2025-08-19 03:34

i mean at what point do you just nuke new zealand for the hell of it youre gonna be dead, everyones gonna be dead might as well nuke the sheep and the assholes on that place who started it and oh yeah.... inb4 let me just fly halfway around the world in my dorky 500mph 12000 mile range jet before the missiles all land lmao im sure all my workers will totally work till they die for 30$/hr while bombs are dropping

Soggy-Ad-3981 2025-08-19 03:41

lmao guys....the reason musk is famous/filthy rich/revered is because he got stupidly ungodly bigly lucky 2x like unheard of tesla AND spacex and at the same time, nearly losing everything like ffs holy moly theres always going to be 1 hit wonders, very very few 200B+ 2 hit wonders this moron got lucky 1 time with openai or something - somewhere in limbo wanting infinite resources and AGI only 1 day away any day now brotherrrrr and of course is backing another dime a dozen FSD company and of course some dumb af space company thats gonna linearly launch shit into orbit, genius any day now im sure well have all kinda of satallites that can withstand 5000G or something and weigh 50kg so useful right up there with slingshot space (this could actually work on moon at least as no air friction, 2 super long ropes and a stick, spin the stick till orbital velocity of moon and yeet them opposite directions)

Hadleys158 2025-08-19 03:49

That's one thing you see in movies that never made much sense, all these people still going to their corporate or government jobs when a end of the world situation would happen. I personally think the government is never going to tell us if a nuclear war starts or a Earth killing meteor is coming in, just for this reason. They want the cogs to still run their machine until the last minute.

Soggy-Ad-3981 2025-08-19 03:57

i mean.....youd probably get alot of stupid social media accounts going silent with a flash and with starlink it would leak out pretty quickly unless you put a clamp on all of it and given what they are......alot of people would see them pretty quickly the meteor is a different story though,

tangouniform2020 2025-08-19 04:02

Putin is too vain for those to be photoshopped so I’d say he’s pumped.

Greenpoint_Blank 2025-08-19 04:14

The worst person you know is fighting the other worst person you know… I hope they both get mauled by rabid dachshunds

[deleted] 2025-08-19 07:41

wdym? he just delays it just some years until he sniffed enough K to fix his back

gwenver 2025-08-19 08:24

And to think, schools and parents frown on lying. From what I'm seeing it is the very key to success! They should be teaching kids not only how to lie through their teeth, but how to double down with even wilder lies when they are found out. /s

[deleted] 2025-08-19 08:31

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[deleted] 2025-08-19 09:21

This is all just for show to make the common people think otherwise. They’re probably having meals together and laughing at us.

Exact_Setting9562 2025-08-19 09:21

It was more because he's getting rich of something that he fears will kill everyone. Africans including.

Bravadette 2025-08-19 10:29

Yeah they are

AdelMonCatcher 2025-08-19 11:14

Scammer v Nazi

ShortbusCometh 2025-08-19 11:41

Why does Sam, no matter what picture he's in, look like he's just about to cry?

[deleted] 2025-08-19 13:02

He was never fighting shit. The guy can barely walk up an incline at this point.

Michael_Schmumacher 2025-08-19 13:20

Leon’s mom called it off (no joke).

elev8dity 2025-08-19 15:21

I don't like the guy, but that allegation is most likely false, especially given the entire family is behind Sam on this one.

elev8dity 2025-08-19 15:22

This is a hilarious visual.

elev8dity 2025-08-19 15:24

They broke up long ago when Musk tried to hostile takeover OpenAI like he did with Tesla.

elev8dity 2025-08-19 15:26

TBF the restaurant industry is actually hard. It's incredibly competitive and the margins are thin.

elev8dity 2025-08-19 15:30

Musk got lucky with his PayPal buyout. He invested that money in SpaceX which got lucky with Bush/Obama privatizing the space industry. With Tesla, he made a hostile takeover after the initial launch product was designed and the ten year strategy was built out. As an early investor in OpenAI, he attempted a hostile takeover to have Sam removed and failed.

[deleted] 2025-08-19 16:19

After working at a bunch of startups I can actually picture a few of the CEOs thinking they can win a fist fight with a bear and it's two cubs. They are fucking idiots in their own special way, every tech CEO backed by venture...

sudaf 2025-08-19 19:05

read the book about Elon by Walter Isaacson. how anybody even acceptes to work for that wanker is mind boggling

locka99 2025-08-19 21:55

Two grifters at each other's throats. Can they both lose?

callmesandycohen 2025-08-20 01:19

Give it enough time and we’ll all think Sam Altman is an asshole too.

Stand_Up_3813 2025-08-20 01:39

Musk chickened out. I’m no fan of Suck (or fElon for that matter), but musk would have lost the fight badly to Suckerburg.

Stand_Up_3813 2025-08-20 01:41

Are they lies or a ketamine-fueled delusion? Either way, this guy shouldn’t be anywhere near a public business nor the government nor a government contract. Send this guy back to South Africa and keep his fortune in the states. We don’t need more traitors on our soil.

Tecnoguy1 2025-08-20 08:00

Have some awful news from historical precedence of WW2 for you.

reidlos1624 2025-08-20 10:51

Speculative investing. Honestly I think the wealthy have decided to use his company as a sort of money laundering and gambling scheme. There's so much invested into it that it's basically too big to fail.

That-Whereas3367 2025-08-20 15:23

Adolf, Benito and Francisco.

MinuteCautious511 2025-08-20 15:59

Whoever wins. We lose

ArQ7777 2025-08-20 16:59

At least Sam Altman did not scam people for money at Enron level.

micxxx22 2025-08-20 21:44

They're both assholes I wish would disappear.

[deleted] 2025-08-20 22:55

Good. Musk is a douche

Soggy-Ad-3981 2025-08-21 00:36

they got the rocket to land, that in and of itself wouldve made it a 50B company, see firefly etc came stupidly close to bankruptcy, 2x.... theres a reason nobody else has ever managed it 2x its just stupidly unlikely although laughably had gates just held his shares or meh jobs (who they wanted out) held his original shares) a trillionaire would already exist whoever took them public just let him have way too much for really no reason more or less he was really good at getting the board to approve an 1000x insane paycheck for an 10x insane stock growth.

[deleted] 2025-08-22 14:29

As far as I can tell, nobody who has ever worked with Elon likes Elon

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CowEducational7672 2025-08-23 13:25

God bless.

k-mcm 2025-08-24 06:41

You have way too much play money when your goal is to damage a rival's business for spite rather than profit.

captain_amazo 2025-09-17 18:16

Zuckerberg actually started training which sent a cold chill down Musks flabby spine which subsequently collapsed causing him to constantly dodge putting a date on the calendar.  Zuckerberg got tired of him ducking and called the thing off

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