Maybe in the US. The rest of the world, not too much. EV demand continues to grow.
EVs would have taken off regardless, by the virtue of their value if they were a superior product. PS. I think they are but I guess most people don't think that
They’re too expensive tbh. Hybrid is affordable for lower middle class, ev is not.
It may take a generation or two, but we'll get there ...when oil wells get depleted, oil subsidies aren't offered, and battery components aren't solely rare earth metals Sorry if some folks stick to internal combustion
We just don’t want Tesla anymore!!! We want an affordable EV!!! Bring BYD to America
That’s ridiculous. I protest Musk every Saturday but I plan to buy a non-Tesla EV someday.
I’ve got a hybrid, it’s great.
I think they're probably fine if you dont need to drive over the capacity/range of the car in a single day. Or tow or carry a load. Or travel anywhere there isn't a lot of charging stations.
Elon Musk could screw up a wet dream.
No we aren’t. We know what a sociopathic traitor he is. So won’t touch his cars nor support his ventures. But we are buying EVs from non treasonous corporations.
This! I own a model 3 for the last 6 years. My next car is a Lexus hybrid
About two decades of state planning and industrial innovation in China says otherwise. (But I guess you're talking about America).
And the demand for Tesla keeps declining
And most car owners genuinely don't, they just need to commute to work and get groceries and drive to a friend's house It's deeply perverse that SUVs and pickups have taken over the market by selling a fantasy of a life most people objectively don't live
I’d say EV is better: but not Tesla.
I would have switched if not for Musk. I was talking to them about a Powerwall and considering a Tesla. Before I closed Musk decided he was a fucking cave diving expert and I backed out. Of all the hills to die on. Probably 1% of people have been scuba diving, of those 1% are good enough to be instructors, of those 1% cave dive, and of those 1% are experts. That’s like 4 fucking people on Earth but coked out money drunk Musk decided he knew better than world class elite experts who pulled off the most amazing cave dice ever to occur in human history. At the moment I knew he was diseased narcissist and totally full of shit.
i freakin love my Corolla Hybrid.
Corolla twins!
Batteries aren't made of rare earth metals, they're made with lithium Rare earth metals are lanthanides (#57-70 on the periodic table), lithium is #3 (an alkali metal) Rare earths are used to make permanent magnets, which are used to make the motors on cheaper EVs but not on the AC induction motors of high-end EVs (Tesla's "secret sauce" was originally using AC induction, the company is named for Nikola Tesla because he invented the AC induction motor)
Here in Vancouver, most apartment buildings don't have charging stations
Rivian is releasing some mid range SUVs next year I think
well they also haven't achieved a critical mass perhaps. The US has been buying EVs for a long time by now. There's only so many houses you can fill with EVs
How principaled Libs are lol. Too busy melting down over Sidney Sweeney to purchase an EV
yeah i recently saw this new xiomi ev and im actually jealous we dont get it in the US. apparently pre sales were crazy
The poll is only showing results for the USA
You spend every Saturday outside of a Tesla dealership? Look, I think Musk is an asshole, but there has to be a better use of time.
Clearly the decline of Tesla means the decline of EVs.
They're too expensive and for some there's the issue of the vast majority of them being too tech centric (eg. Taking away physical buttons, replacing door handles with electric ones, etc). Gas cars in comparision have adopted high tech features at a much slower rate, but touch screen only interiors are making their way too gas cars
The speed at which tesla lost their value will make everyone think twice. Even luxury vehicles don't depreciate this bad. Plus US, doesnt have a real challenger. Bring in BYD etc and they will send tesla to bankruptcy.
Same. Toyota is tried and tested, Tesla is not.
I organize the protest, I feel i need to turn up. It’s right near my house so it doesn’t take long.
Buddy, if I could trade in my hybrid for a real EV, like BYD, I would do it in a heartbeat. That’s never gonna happen in this backwoods trash country.
I have a fifteen year old Jeep Wrangler and a two year old Mustang Mach-E. The Jeep lives the fantasy life. The Mach-E is the grocery car. Both are an absolute joy to drive for very different reasons!
Does that mean something for the cost of a rav4 hybrid?
Can I go dig up my posts from years ago when I said that, in the final analysis, Tesla would be seen as a detriment to the long-term adoption of EVs? It feels like this might be an appropriate time for that.
Who?
Letting BYD in means the biggest recipient of United States EV subsidies, Tesla, is a failure.
I have never been sold on EV's to begin with and Elon makes it that much easier.
Yes. Pretty close. R3 in 2027 is the real answer there.
Even non Tesla EV depreciation is ridiculous. I’m willing to lease one at this point, but if I buy it has to be used.
Good Job Elon!
So? Demand for EVs is growing
Not really, no. They sell two models and their tech has been surpassed by a number of manufacturers because they focus on the whim of one man rather than the overall market.
Yeah. If we buy again, i am just gonna get used ones. Much better ROI. Actually thinking of selling 23 elantra (giving coolant issues) and exchanging for 23 model 3. Should be even exchange give or take. At least not funding the sucker and it really saves a lot. Our overnight charge is like 5-6 cents/kwh. It's peanuts we spend on driving now. Wish he's fired and then tesla can grow.
Lucid getting ready to announce project mid size next year!!!
“Getting ready to announce” a “project” So.. best case scenario 3 years out?
It took them 12 months to launch and deliver the first gravity after it's reveal. Try researching things.
Do you get a discount for being an asshole on their behalf?
Do you have one of those cool Seig Heiling elmos?
30%
No, you need some expensive equipment to make them salute. Basically the things that car dealers use to make their inflatable guys bop around.
So when you say "to" are you using that word as a place or position or as part of an infinitive verb? Like "We are going to China?"
Just so you know, you can get and ioniq 5 now for less than $250/month, depending on your state. Leafs are like $60/month
That's the point. Fuck fascism.
Former model 3 and X owner now driving a Honda CRV Hybrid: thought I’d be eager to get back into an EV, but now I’m comfy with my 39.3 mpg’s. Might drive this until it’s useless 🤷🏽♂️
She's an actress but I have no clue what dude is talking about. She was just in an ad campaign and the company's stock went up. So that bothers liberals?
I have a 2025 Ioniq 5. It is an awesome EV!
Now that's a stretch..
Gravity reveal was on November,16 2023 in LA. First delivery - June (or may not sure) 2025. It’s 19 months apart and it’s still not exactly in full production mode
Yep the R2 but that still starts at 45k which is very expensive. I would like more options on the much cheaper end - BYD would help force costs down if it were present in our market. 45k is more than the average yearly salary in the US. Most people should be spending less than half of this for a car. There are some EVs in the low 30s but we need even more affordable options.
Um, who says we have an issue with Sydney Sweeney?
That demonstrates how politicized USA is
The first Lucid Gravity SUVs were delivered in late December 2024— 13 months by my count. You can look this up anywhere. Where the f are you getting June 2025???? https://insideevs.com/news/745904/lucid-gravity-starts-production-2024/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Naw I'm not Elon Musk.
Do not think the US will allow BYD in without some steep tariffs but BYD should build a North American plant.
The average new car price in America is $48,700.
The high-profile head of our most prominent EV maker did a Nazi salute in public. So yeah, things are politicized.
So if non-violent protest isnt a good idea, what do you suggest?
We should be protesting companies that suggest a CEO should be paid the equivalence of $500,000 per worker. That is what Musk is demanding. For reference, the highly paid CEO of Ford is compensated at $125 dollars per employee. A second reference, that payment Musk is demanding could pay the full compensation package of the Ford CEO for 2000 years. Ya we should be protesting that more than you think.
I’m not buying another car til the R3X comes out. Happy with the EVs I have for now.
They simply do not have the range and fast charge time for about half the population. I would like one but I need to make a few 1200km trips couple times a year in a truck. A EV truck would work for 95% of my trips but I would have to buy a second vehicle for those one off trips and that just does not work. And I do not want to work longer hours.
Don't give Musk \*that\* much credit. EV tax credits expiring is probably more of a factor.
I want nothing to do with a car that has a chat bot in it. Ever. No matter who makes it.
The Chinese are and they’re eating the Wests lunch.
Santa Fe Hybrid here. My first one.
Well, hard to argue his unpopularity. I truly don't care about his wealth. If he wants to toast his brain with drugs, that's not my business. This is a sideshow elevated to the main stage due to his preposterous bullshitting and Emperor Trump. As far as EV popularity in the US, how can an EV really compete with hybrid at this juncture?
The article is pretty straightforward about this survey being specific to the US. The first sentence of the article literally says “U.S. liberals”.
Not only because of musk tesla is a shit company.
Maybe cuz I had an order until June?..nobody who ordered it in November got one before late May. Couple of cars delivered to “insiders” isn’t “production” but PR stunt. Why then they didn’t even mention a single delivery during their Q2 earnings call?.. why first test drives in the studios only happened in May(with one same goddamn car which was traveling all over the us lol)? yeah right cuz it’s bullshit
Careful man, this one has ChatGPT. We know that’s never been wrong.
Or yet another fanboy balls deep in the stock which is about to get 30-40% discount with reverse split😂Gravity is a great car btw but their endless delays made so many people (me included) to give up and move on
I love Lucid, but wouldn’t own their stock, and think the Gravity looks like a modern rehash of a mini van. On paper it’s great, but oh boy does it not look great for anyone without kids.
Wild that some liberals would rather hate Elon than support EVs and fight climate change. Personal dislike shouldn’t outweigh what’s right for the planet.
Literally everyone uses chatgpt as a search function. I simply used it to locate a link of an article I read a long time ago. Nothing wrong with that. Nice try though fuck face.
That's too bad man. I think you gave up too soon. I got a feeling if you wanted a Lucid Vehicle you will likely buy one in the future. Much luck to you.
Yep and it's insane. Look at household debt in the US over time. 45k is a ridiculous amount to spend when the average salary is 39k. New car price ranges should be in the 20s for most American families - and we don't have EV options in this range *in this country*.
That stat is really deceptive, though.
btw your cat is adorable.
What utter bullshit. Musk & Tesla are has beens & will never be able to compete against BYD et al.
Never going to happen. Doing so would be admitting that Chinese socialism can do something much, much better than American capitalism.
Oh goody more giant tin cans driven by soccer moms to block the view on the road and decrease public safety.
You mean cause the only ppl who buy new cars are the wealthy, while everyone else buys used?
Congrats on owning a real car and not an iPhone on wheels with panel gaps that make Toyotas 15-50k cheaper blush.
What’s wrong with EV towing? Don’t gas cars take an equivalent hit to Range while towing?
The equinox EV is $35k before tax credit. $27.5k after.
Chevy Equinox EV is $35k… that’s still too expensive?
You should try one. They’re quite fun to drive thanks to the instant torque.
There’s no way I could deal with the constant lag of an ICE. It’s like driving in mud.
What…? EVs have tons of advantages.
I have real concerns about a fleet of (actual) autonomous vehicles being imported from a country we are currently preparing to go to war with. The cars seem cool, but if we can't trust USB plugs coming out of china, I don't understand how this wouldn't be a real national security issue.
Wtf - where?
Yep. Also, most people think that is an excessive price. Median household income is like $75k. Those people aren't spending 50k on a car.
For what it is it's expensive. With subsidies it would've costed the same as the gas Chevy Equinox, without its just an expensive car
IMO this is the exact reason he was enabled so much. He was probably paid in part by oil companies, along with Russia's money.
Fuck you, Elon. 👏👏👏 Fuck you, Elon. 👏👏👏
They don't seem very worried. Why are you?
I have two very similar trucks. A taco with all sorts of off road accessories that make it kind of suck on road and get terrible mileage. I also have a rivian r1t that is awesome on road, gets great efficiency compared to the taco and it can kind of off road (it can probably do more than I give it credit for, but it's too precious to get branch pinstripes while offroading.) The dream life and the commute life. It fits for me.
I'm a sports car guy, have driven manuals my whole life. Maybe when I'm 80 and my left knee finally says no mas.
Not a liberal, a leftist, but I sort of get it. In my current state, electric cars get a special number plate that marks them out as such, and I feel like that's actually discouraging from buying one, because I don't want to advertise "LOOK, MY CAR IS ELECTRIC", just because Electric Car People tend to be Tesla People. There are other living situation related reasons electric is a complete non-starter for me right now, but that's definitely an identifiable negative to me once my living situation is improved. I'd definitely give it equal weight to most EVs being ugly - not a dealbreaker but definitely something that's a negative weighting, because electric cars do feel like a virtue signalling thing, I'd say more than they used to, and everyone I see who's actually not rich who's trying to actually *save money on transportation* rather than virtue signal just has a Prius.
Even if you bought a different ev Tesla still has a better charging network. I would never put a dime in his pocket if I can help it.
Yeah but one starts with a substantially lower range. And a 30+ minute "refuelling" (at best) at sparsely located specialist stations. Anecdotally - Friends went camping in Ontario towing campers. Everyone got there shortly after noon except for the one guy with a new electric truck (not Tesla) who had to take a much longer inefficient route with detours in order to access charging (multiple times) and then limped into the site with barely any range left just before dark. Much friendly ribbing ensued. I realize this example is the perfect storm of problems for an electric truck. Only really suited to short trips in metro areas. In which case I think they're great BTW.
I also don’t want random people scratching the doors just because some billionaire said/did stupid stuff. That is an extra target on me/family in a world I prefer to maintain a lower profile.
Yeah I’m good. My current and next car will be an EV
It’s kind of sad, Tesla was leading the charge for creating a legitimate supercharger network. Without them, I’m not sure who (if anyone) picks up the torch.
I understand what you are saying, but if people in that demographic were probably not going to buy a new comparable vehicle at that price anyways (which is a smarter financial decision overall), and the price of the Rivian R2 is supposed to start under the national average price… it seemed relevant to me. Does MSRP matter to families that aren’t considering purchasing one when they can purchase the same model for much less 2 years later after someone else took that depreciation hit? Even if the R2 isn’t feasible for many families to purchase new now, if slightly better off families can purchase them today, it will mean lower income families can afford them too eventually. With $5k down a lot of those lower income households would be better off purchasing a 2-4 year old EV like a used Model Y for $25k, or a used Kia EV6 for $26k. A car payment of around $500 is a lot more attainable than an $800/month payment for a new R2 with the same $5k down. But eventually I hope they can afford a used Rivian R2 too. Don’t get me wrong, my daily driver is a 2004 Lexus suv with over 200k miles so this isn’t a flex thing. I’ve been homeless a few times myself and know what it feels like to raise 4 kiddos and work at two full time manual labor jobs at the same time. I want everyone to do well and I think the used market will still continue to provide some great options to people that are still interested in EVs but can’t afford a new one and it will only get better with time.
I picked up a used Polestar 2 last week. I expect that will do me perfectly till 28/29, when they’ll have all the bugs in the 3X worked out. It’s my top option
elon has the trumpterd stink on him. No i never support anything he does. trumpterd can buy elons stuff!
Well they allow for some pretty brutal workers rights rules but that also helps get products to the markets faster and it is also increasing personal wealth pretty quick. But that is easier when people are so poor to begin.
Noice. It just looks good man. I have an R1T and I’m more excited for that car. They’ll be everywhere like Model 3s are now.
United States protectionist approach is killing the interest in EVs. There are numerous Asian brands making nice looking vehicles at reasonable prices. Remember when Republicans used to believe in free markets?
the cars are sweet. owned 2. really liked them! he got distracted w power instead of continuing to make great cars. i had to bail. too many little annoying issues with the cars that will never get fixed w no one at the helm. i would consider going back if he falls on his sword. apologizes. ….. and commits to fixing phantom braking and autowipe
thought liberals were tree huggers with or without elmo
Rivians look weird, they're almost as ugly as the Cybertruck.
Damn that's pretty good 😎
Do you mean the roman salute? Elon Musk is autistic, he does things, weird things, doesn’t mean he is a nazi
Thats dumb as hell and fake. Politics does influence people but at the end of the day if its convienent, makes sense and affordable, they'll go for it. Theres other EVs besides Tesla...
I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. My household is probably in the top 5% in terms of income. We have no debt and money in savings. But, there's just no way I'll pay $50k for a car. My last car purchase was in 2018, and I thought $33k was a crazy price. For me, though, the real deal breaker is charging. I live in an apartment and fast charging isn't an option. I'd have to spend over $5k to get a fast charger installed, which is a significant upgrade to somebody else's property.
But he will still be the King of Mars. Werner Van Braun predicted it.
>Elon Musk is autistic, he does things, weird things, doesn’t mean he is a nazi It's not just the Nazi salute he did, it's a long series of things that make it clear what his philosophy is. He could publicly say he's terribly sorry and didn't mean to do and say those things, but he hasn't done that.
So is Lucid.
Ah ok I see what you mean
I mean it’s not like driving an EV means you can’t drive a stick. Just test drive one and see how it feels. There’s a certain …. Relentlessness about EV motors that can instill a sense of awe. Although I admit I’d never watch initial D EV edition lol.
Great looking cars, but their service locations need to expand enormously. I won't own a car that would require 2+ hours one way for service
I feel like you need to drive an EV to understand the benefits. If you can charge at home they’re extremely convenient and enjoyable to drive. It’s hard to describe how freeing the instant torque is, or not having to visit gas stations or hear your car creaking after you park it in your garage. No engine noise pollution or toxic smells at your house either. I think prices will continue to drop. GM says they can achieve another $6k in savings when they move to LMR batteries.
True, sadly home charging is a privilege that only home owners get with garages and wealthy renters. I did rent an EV for the weekend, and for instant torque it gets boring overtime. Doing a 0-60 run is a lot more entertaining in something like a Mustang compared to a Tesla or any other EV without simulated gear box or engine noise. The EV i rented was a base BMW i4
Tbh most EVs outside Tesla were either too expensive for normal folk or were much shittier than a competitive ICE vehicle. It is like the automakers here purposefully designed the affordable EVs super shitty. The designs of many of them look dumb and have accents where you can clearly tell it is an electric vehicle. Just give me the functional equivalent that looks like an ICE vehicle I already like. I do not want to be a beta tester for such a large investment. Their resale values also drop significantly as if they are smart phones. They need to open the US market to other EV manufacturers to truly force US automakers to innovate.
tesla's are made in china too. still concern?
I personally prefer the silent shark personality and relentlessness of an EV.
they catch on fire randomly and as a result of accidents, so, yes?
i think a number of people go into debt buying new, acthwaually. its the only reason why i see scumbags driving brand new vehicles.
Agreed on not wanting tesla's. Im not sure that I am sold on giving up and not even giving US car companies a fighting chance. I've been helping my brother shop for his next car. He is looking at used bolts and you can find them for $16-20K all day long. with state and federal incentives he will likely pay less than $10k when all is said and done. For just a few grand more, around $25k I saw polestars, ID4s, ioniq 6's that are just a few years old and with incentives you are looking at <$20K. Honestly that is not bad at all and should be manageable for many families. especially if they can afford a home that has access to charging at home (basically a prerequisite for an EV to make sense in my book)
And those stay in China
Keep up the fight my fellow American. Thanks!
Xiaomi looks cool too
They should produce them in America
Prices are also wild, but they will never return to pre-pandemic prices. They peaked in 2022 and have hovered around that figure ever since. Right on. That does sound pretty inconvenient with the current charging situation and I can appreciate there are various barriers to entry. Some companies are trying to fill those gaps though. I listened to an interesting EV podcast recently and they had on a guy from a company on that sells a neat EV charging solution for apartments. Sounded like they managed to make it at a reasonably low cost by daisy chaining them together in the parking lots and doing some kind of load demand shifting. I live in rural East Texas. There are no chargers nearby so I would need to install a Level 2 charger at home. But we also have frequent power outages due to storms in the area throughout the year. That’s why the Scout Traveler with the Harvester package caught my attention. It can be plugged in with 150 miles of EV range, and the gas generator extends it up to 500 miles of range. They will be pretty spendy though starting at just under $60k and they aren’t coming until 2027. It’s early days but I think things will continue to become more accessible to more people over time. I have family of six so my options are pretty limited (and more expensive) even when I am looking at ICE vehicles. Really would like to make the move to an EV that I can camp on BLM land with. Im also a car nut so the performance aspect and lower maintenance resonates with me a lot too. Hoping we can buy a used Rivian Tri or one of those Scouts after we save up some cash for one. Also hope you can eventually find the right car for yourself at the right price too. It’s early days for EVs and we just need to trust that things will keep getting better as the industry grows out of its infancy.
Rare earths are not used to make batteries. Helps to have some idea what you're talking about before spouting off.
>Rare earths are used to make permanent magnets, which are used to make the motors on cheaper EVs but not on the AC induction motors of high-end EVs I think you're completely wrong there, rare earth magnets are used in all EV motors as far as I know.
You think incorrectly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_magnet_motor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor
These are not used in electric cars, Dunning Kruger syndrome strikes again. You need rare earth magnets for motors as powerful and compact as the ones in cars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S > The Model S typically uses either one or initially two alternating current induction motors; since 2019, dual-motor versions have used a permanent magnet motor in the front, though the high-performance Model S Plaid's three motors are permanent magnet units by default.
>The Model S typically uses either one or initially two alternating current induction motors Bullshit. They use rare earth magnet motors.
You really are jealous about Xiaomis? Really? The cars that draw A LOT of inspiration from some of the western brands? Might as well buy the original cars theyre based on.
Go to war with China? The US wouldn't dare because it would get its fat ass kicked.
No they don't. The Chinese don't want them.
And yet TSLA > $300/sh
You fool, like Elon has been saying, TSLA is not a car company. At all. Soon (I.e., after 2039) they will be making several trillion dollars annually selling AI tech, fake cyborg and Robotaxi (Supervised). And the U.S. government will be the primary customer.
+1 Just to say you’re not alone in thinking this way
Maybe in US in EU the BEV market share keeps increasing, and Tesla sales decreasing.
Maybe in the US, but that's due to US protectionism and tarrifs blocking Chinese EV manufacturers from that market and consumers.
I'll buy a Chinese EV any day, but not Musks or any other OEM. Those cars are insane.
Plus I think electric versions of big heavy SUVs and F150s that need more batteries than a simple sedan is missing the point of why we're supposedly transitioning to electric to begin with. We could save a lot of carbon if we didn't need every street, road and driveway to be constantly re-tarred and repaved from all the wear and tear that these massively oversized things cause.
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That’s ethical. That’s what I think people should do.
Meanwhile BYD is taking over the world and leaving American automakers in the dust.
Slate
Nah we want trains
Car factories are like... 99% robots.
Citroen is doing good work here, as is Nissan. No need to go Chinese.
is it just me or do all the cybertrucks in that pic look like they are slightly different heights / angles / etc? they don't look uniform within 0.01 micron at all
Maybe, but the US government is currently doing more damage to every emerging alternative energy industry than anyone.
I have a GM EV and a VW EV. Neither company is perfect but I prefer them to Tesla by a long shot.
I love my Bolt.
Fugly. Seems to be a thing where EV designers try really hard to make their cars look even more "EV".
A fan?
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The R2 is considerably smaller than the current Rivians. It's more more along the lines, size wise, as a Rav4 or CR-V.
The Gravity is a dream car for us but will cost way more than what we, our most people, can afford... But it's so freaking sweet.
It's those stupid headlights... Three rest of the design is baller, but that front end looks like a cartoon.
Everyone always forgets that you have to pay like 5k-10k down and are limited to 10k miles per year on leases. They're never as good of a deal as it sounds when someone just spouts a per month payment.
I know a place selling hundreds of bolts for 9-15k depending on year, model, and mileage. All have new batteries from the recall and qualify for the used tax credit.
>Umm..some idea *of* what you're talking about The way I expressed it is perfectly correct, I'm not an American (thank God). Enjoy the collapse of your country, I know I am.
You can get a used Bolt with a brand new battery for 10k-15k all day long.
Regular fans don’t work, you need a generator and a special fan.
For real. What is that guy smoking?
I've got exactly two issues with her...
Yeah! He should get a job at that dealership and... ...not do a good job! That'll show'm!
I highly recommend rivian though
I also suspect there is only so many people who have a home with the appropriate charging system. Once the I like driving a computer/phone on wheels with the associated longterm battery issues there is not much left. Not only that but the EV charging infrastructure is a mess where there is no one standard, you need to use apps etc VS just sticking in a credit card or paying cash in a traditional gas station. Then the issues of long waits, broken chargers etc they are not as ubiquitous as regular gas stations. For the average Joe they do not want to deal with all this they just want a car that you can just start get from point A to B with a minimum of hassle and have easy quick refuiling.
They have a smaller SUV and a smaller sedan coming soon.https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1144412_lucid-midsize-suv-to-cost-less-than-50-000
Neat!
Two *big* issues... I also am very concerned about these big issues.
None of this matters . Tesla will likely be one of the most important companies along with Musk being one of the most important businessmen over the next decade .
They're really weighing on my mind...
You people live under a fucking rock? Multiple charging factories are up and running in the US including Alpitronic. There are about 13,000 CCS charging stations in the US and about 2,700 Supercharger stations. 51,000 CCS charging ports. 37,000 NACS ports. Tesla never had a torch, they had a free money scam and a long line of little mom and pop shops they'd bankrupted
This is complete horseshit! Tesla may or may not fail because of Morlon! But the EV movement WILL happen once they figure out an actual sustainable battery system and recharge rate of minutes (10-15ish for a couple hundred miles). Once that happens, basically all new cars bought,would be EV’s. This is an oil company ad or a super conservative moron who can’t wrap their head around a much better and viable solution for travel, environment, and future of our planet. Why would you push for ICE vehicles when EV’s are clearly the way of the future. It’s time to evolve folks! This is the next step for human transportation… in a hundred years there will be something better, and they will be dumbfounded that we used gasoline and oil for so long. This would have happened decades ago if it weren’t for oil/gas companies and (all entities involved in that industry) lobbyists! End of the day tho - fuck Elon!- for all of he’s days left on earth! No American should give him a pass for what he’s done, or the time of day to hear any other thoughts he may have, ever again! And when the EV movement comes, I will be sure to never charge at a Tesla charging station! Never a dime from me to that bastards pocket! Not ever
Just sold mine so I am no longer supporting the awful man
Shows you how the left are fair weather fans irl.
Buying a car? In this economy?
So? Demand for Tesla is declinging
That's not true at all
Maga are Maga in part because they hate everything that is new. No amount of Trump snoodling will make MAGA less scared of new things like an EV.
So it isn’t about saving the planet it is a political thing?
Big heavy and with too much horsepower.
And, to make matters worse, word on the street is that he doesn't pay his bills.
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Rivian has been really slow for my taste. They should have had mid range like two years ago.
We are talking about the article here stay on track
This most recent earnings report was so embarrassing. They are so unprofitable that they had to resort to making 200 million in bitcoin profit just to fund operations. Their operating margin is 4.1%, which is about what grocery stores make on the high end. Absolutely embarrasing.
yeah im just holding out for an all electric, self drive toyota. if my current Toyota lasts as long as i expect, it'll be more than ready by then. i got at least another decade :)
lol with failed autopilot that kills people and batteries that won’t last you a few years at most?
Who in the hell is buying them?
or they could be turned off by the laughably high prices of EVs combined with their dismal resale depreciation in this bleak economic environment. or they could be realizing that EVs aren’t going to save anything and are perpetuating the unsustainable model of car-centric culture and built environment, and we’d be better off investing in rail infrastructure and public transportation. hey, turns out ya can’t really divorce politics from economics.
read this comment thread. he still has plenty of suckers he can fleece.
Wait, you mean I shouldn’t just get my info about EVs and charging networks from Tesla press releases?
The researchers explained the (very) slight decline in overall EV purchase intentions by attributing it to Musk being trash. This is a stretch and I’m surprised Nature published an article that fails to mention other explanations like increasing cost of new vehicles (especially without the tax credit and with tariff threats looming), resale value, lack of charging infrastructure, or skepticism about the long term environmental benefits of EV adoption.
But my stupid ex-wife is about to purchase a Tesla! Lol
That's just stupid. Literally every other automaker now also offers EVs. If you don't want to buy a Tesla, then buy a different EV.
I hate Elon so fuck the planet.
Seriously you can’t be serious with BYD.
Liberals are looking at 10 year battery that has a HUGE replacement costs.
We have a model Y Love it for three yrs now
Rivian , GM, and Ford also do EVs, as does Lucid.
He’s only hurting Tesla.
The Nazi made EV un popular
Im glad someone finally said it. Ive been feeling this vibe surge since the spring, but this is a tough one for me to separate my bias from, and I havent been seeing it in the data
I'd argue it's prices that are killing EV's. Especially now that the republicans have killed federal incentives.
I mean, it can't. The people who say this have no experience working with China. As you people like to say "...and it shows."
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