Lucid just released hands-free Level 2 drive assist. Forget FSD for now, Tesla cannot even achieve hands-free on their Level 2 Autopilot drive assist.

Mercedes is also going to have level 3 under 40mph for their upcoming CLA

already on the roads. bmw and mercedes are getting approval for 60mph soon in the eu, vw will follow and or partner with mobileeye. 80mph will be validated and approved before 2030 in the eu, they hit all their timelines for now, independantly.

Oh wow, in the USA the EV CLA is going to get released next year. Nice to hear they already launched in the EU

With bmw Neue Klasse level 3 up to 80mph will be standard end of this year For me personally that's all I ever need. I enjoy driving most of the time. When I drank I haul a cab 😅 but yeah feelings are different For long boring highway drives I have a super reliant level 3 and that's it

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FSD only manages motorways and lane change in Europe. At that it isn’t perfect, is partial to a phantom brake and doesn’t like sun glare, rain or fog.

Fsd does not exist in europe. Period. Eap does, different product. Operates fine in all 3 of those conditions assuming proper maintenance( cleaning glass).

I agree with you, but technically it “does” because they charge, or certainly did when I had a model S, people £000’s for “FSD”. Which is over and above EAP. But I agree, it’s bollocks and I’m shocked they haven’t been sued to oblivion already.

True, but sorta lands on the government fault Imo. They certainly expected it to be allowed in europe at this point, and its capable and has been for some time now.

but since it is not reliable, you have to be on full alert all the time or you crash and sometimes die ... also, if it fails, you have to pay! the BMW and Mercedes Level3 systems allow you to read while driving legally and without risking your (and other peoples!!!) lives - a clear win in my eyes

If the tremendous amount of data collected was really that valuable there wouldn’t need to send cars scouring the coverage zone in Austin. No amount of additional data gathered in a couple of days could be meaningful if all that fleet data was really being used.

Why is it necessary to turn this into an FSD is better debate? Seems to me the different systems offers different features and capabilities and consumers have a choice to choose the features and capabilities that they want at the price point they care to pay.

Snap! Dont use logic, that's an unfair fight with these Tesla simps

Has Tesla ever taken liability for accidents? Seems like they always withhold data according to families of victims.

Sooner or later a guy on YouTube that has done lots of programming will do a project to adapt lidar to your Tesla. He will have to use a similar sized cars Lidar and software. Within a couple of years it will succeed. Then Elon will copy the system. There's far more data then you think. Hubris seems to be more important then success.

It’s not just the LiDAR. Tesla’s end to end neural net approach is too inconsistent and unreliable.

You don’t understand how important the liability part is. Tesla has never taken liability for anything

It’s not released yet here as well. You can order it, but it will likely be delivered only later this year, towards end of Q4.

Spoken as a true incel believer.

Europe is not one country and one governmen. If you are talking about the EU then FSD could be approved by any one of the 27 member nations - but it hasn't been, where as Fords blue cruise and Mercedes drive pilot has been in different countries like sweden and germany. The reason at my best guess is that Telsa won’t agree to restrict the functionality to certain roads or disable it on city streets, or they don’t care enough to get the function out in the complicated EU roads when testing and tuning in the US/Canada is much simpler.

You're telling us that 8 $10 cameras aren't enough?

Time for Tesla to make the EAP the default AP

> tesla vehicles equipped with Hardware 3 (HW3) have camera resolutions of 1280x960 pixels for all cameras. In contrast, Hardware 4 (HW4) features a front camera with 2896x1876 pixels and rear/side cameras with 1448x938 pixels. This significant increase in resolution, particularly for the front cameras, is a key improvement in HW4, providing more detail for Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capabilities. wow, they cheaped out on the cameras in hw3 and that's why hw3 will never FSD (not that hw4 will either).

Exiting until I read it. Seems closer to Toyota 3.0 system, which is good lane keep assist plus highway switch assist. “The updates to DreamDrive Pro will allow customers to experience easy to use and intuitive hands-free driving and hands-free lane changes (with driver activation of the turn signal stalk) on compatible divided highways.” Note driver activation and divided highways only. I’d like to see Tesla get some more competition in the US. But that isn’t happening here. Good to see Lucid taking some steps though.

VW also testing autonomus busses in Hamburg

FSD doesn't self drive at all yet. It needs to be 100% supervised. It is much easier to make something that usually works - like 99% of time - than build something that can be trusted to work, even in very limited conditions. Now, the question is what is of bigger value to the customer? How much do you benefit from something you can trust in good weather on good road - or something that you have to constantly monitor, but will work almost on all roads?

All built on BB QNX!

Skimmed an article that VW Id Buzz will start testing autonomy in Hamburg and plan to bring to LA in 2026 via a partnership with Uber. VW is partnering with MobileEye

And yet, for all that, they continue to kill motorcyclists. That AI that drives through painted walls like a cartoon, can't reliably recognise motorcycles. A lot of us are afraid to have a Tesla behind us. And yet somehow, Mercedes pose no threat.

They just haven't been actually held accountable in court yet. It will happen eventually and when it does it will start a veritable flood of lawsuits.

They have settled cases out of court

Yes the old cameras aren’t even RGB they’re something different. That’s why an orange and red Nissan looked exactly the same.

BMW has been offering better assist more than 6 or 7 years

BMW has been offering better assist more than 6 or 7 years

BMW has been offering better assist more than 6 or 7 years

One of my favorite headlines from The Onion was something along the lines of, "BMW Assures Customers Its Self Driving Cars Will Still Drive Like Assholes".

Trick’s on all of you - for some reason my autopilot stopped asking me to put my hands on the wheel lol. It does track my attention quite urgently but no longer cares about putting weight on the wheel

yes, but they can "count photons", pretty cool stuff!

Once again, the entire industry is eating Elon’s lunch.

Musk is testing autonomous failure of all of his businesses, but he still needs to keep a hand on the wheel.

But they are special cameras that can see at night, through rain and fog, and don't get blinded by sunlight. Oh, wait....

so they wont be a software update on EQS?

For level 3 most likely no, the upcoming CLA will have a lot more sensors and hardware for self driving

They should try adding a 9th camera. Maybe that would do it?

lol...I had a Tesla with HW3 drive me door to door >300 km this past weekend without touching the wheel once. Glad that others are getting into the game, but let's not pretend it's close to what Tesla is offering right now with FSD.

$10 each? Aren't these 1.2MP cameras that were antiquated in 2005. More like $.10 cameras.

So no

Yep, it's the future, but that future is 20 years away

That's on purpose iirc, something to justify Elon calling it handsfree.

But here’s what’s weird - I’ve had this for 2 weeks. First week I got tons of those “put turning pressure to one side of the steering wheel”, but this last week I have not been seeing it at all. I even tried it out for a whole autopilot drive (absolutely not recommended) - not once!

He’s so fulla shit he’s gonna float away!!!

When cases are settled typically one party has paid off the other. They haven't accepted formal liability or been found liable in court. But they have agreed to be financially liable.

They do forced arbitration in contracts for car buyers and workers

Still insufficient by far, with cleaning, optical effects, saturation, field of view and dynamic range making camera only unacceptably unsafe.

You keep using a lot of words to say no

Not sure what you're talking about. My HW4 FSD has not required me to touch the wheel of my Model Y for close to two weeks now. Absolutely flawless except for the road work that still may require you to take over, but fortunately no road work closures around me lately.

[Uber inks six-year robotaxi deal with Lucid, invests $300 million in EV company](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/17/uber-lucid-robotaxi-partnership-300-million-20000-nuro.html)

Describe the itinerary?

Leave subdivision, merge onto high traffic highway for 45mins, then eventually smaller highways and some through some tiny towns for 2.5 hours, then through destination small city, stop in front of supercharger and select and autopark reverse into spot.

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So you're saying you've been lucky, so far.

Mate, I would love to live in your remakably simple binary world where everything is clinically either A or B. No nuance, no context, no grey areas, just pure unadulterated simplicity. Sounds relaxing.

This. Seems like a lot of uninformed people ego have never use FSD and making assumptions. I use it every day and I took over once when a fire truck was headed my way and wanted to take over. So far it’s been flawless.

I just actually understand the definitions

How many illegal and unsafe things did it do along the way that you ignored and let it do? Because in my 5+ years and 60,000+ miles of Tesla FSD ownership, not once did it complete a drive itself without me intervening. Multiple times a drive.

None, it was completely fine for this drive.

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Autopilot isn't FSD and I'm getting tired of articles intentionally misleading that way.

Congratulations Lucid, you are where Tesla was in 2017.

For Christ’s sake people, it stays in the lane and can make a lane change. My Tesla did that in 2018. Let me see Lucid automatically change lanes, take highway exits, drive into the city, go around bicyclists, stop for pedestrians, make unprotected left turns, and on an on. What Lucid is announcing right now is just basic Autopilot on highways. BFD.

Only starting in 2026, don't just glance at headlines (which are click bates and misleading sometimes) only.

FSD is hands free on Tesla.

Sure..

this

Tesla didnt get that working properly until 2023-2024. It was a hazard to use with random phantom brake and other dangerous maneuver, including lane merge and lane divider on exit...etc It's only got decent with latest FSD, but still does a lot of questionable stuff that you cannot do without completely hands free. PS: I have a MSP and been using FSD beta since beginning.

Oh wait you cant either lmao

Very narrow set of preset road lol

Drink more lemondade. Very few preset road lmao. Show me end to end autopilot

Drink more coolaid, on suitable road only. How many road are suitable?

it no longer seems to be the case with the tesla I just got a month ago. 95%+ time no intervention. the 5% time was the hiccup at our community gate when it was closed and the vehicle didn't know to proceed past.