“Revolutionize” by improving nothing, adding nothing, and being built poorly all while costing a ton. In fact it does many things worse than other trucks. The only thing revolutionary about cybertruck was a company actually sold a car this ugly. Edit: this was never gonna be revolutionary, it was always a scam bait.
Cybertruck is the Starship of Robotaxis.
We know 🥱
‘The most entertaining outcome is most likely’ Elon was right about that, at least. Rolling dumpsters not so much
Elon Musk is a Bust. The man that was supposed to revolutionize everything is flopping fast.
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Hummer EV came out first. Lightning has outsold Cybertruck over all time. Rivian R1T preceded them all. Not sure what you’re even trying to say.
Is? IS?!?? ***IS?!?!??***
Is that a reference to his allegedly broken, allegedly odd-shaped penis?
Yes.
Every time I see one in person the metal looks like ass. It’s all kind of wavy looking and of course has smudges like fucking crazy.
Who could have seen this coming except everybody
It's probably hard to talk while gobbling elons nuts
They should have stopped development on this doomed vanity project the moment they realized the exoskeleton idea wasn't going to work. But no, Melon Husk's ego demanded that it continue anyway. The time and money should have been spent bringing a low-cost Model 2 to fruition -- they canceled that useful project to divert resources to this useless one. Now the "low priced" model will just be a de-contented model 3/Y, confusing the market and further driving down resale values for existing owners. Bet they'll be thrilled about that.
To be fair, it's revolutionary in some useful ways: 48 volt accessory architecture and steer by wire, for example. But the whole exoskeleton thing was scam bait.
Steer by wire scares the crap out of me. I cannot think of a single advantage. But it introduces increased complexity on a pretty vital component on a device that's sometimes poorly maintained. I also don't think the system has any backups, so if the computer fails, good luck
On paper I imagine there's not much of a safety issue with steer by wire . . . In the sense of using electrical signals to actuate turning via an electric motor. There is, after all, ways for a traditional steering system to fail . . . The problem is that Tesla's 'Amazing' technology sits between the sensor reading a change in the steering column and the servo/solinoid that is turning the wheels.
I'm not seeing Cybertrucks on the road anymore. Are people parking them out of shame?
Neither of the is „revolutionary“ or even new Technology developed by Tesla. Other Car Brands already used 48 Volts for years and Steer-by-Wire hs been developed by Suppliers like Schaeffler also years ago.
It is added complexity to a critical component of a device that isn't always maintained properly to begin with. I worked on ships, we also had steer by wire since the wheel was too far from the steering gear to be able to have a direct connection. The rudder was also to big to move by hand so you needed hydraulic motors to move it. But that system was a double primary system with a separate dumb direct control and a manual override on the gear itself. And it was all separate from the ships command and control computer network. The Tesla wheel is electric, not hydraulic. No 2 independent systems. Doesn't even have 1 independent system. Aircraft also have 2 independent hydraulic systems and 3 control modes in case control is degraded. There's a reason these systems are safe and Tesla is doing none of those
The only thing the cybertruck revolutionized was how to make a piece of shit.
point taken
They're still around in Silicon Valley. I don't drive much but there's a decent chance I'll spot one if I'm out doing chores or visiting people. I know there's a handful of people that own one in the neighborhood since I've seen them parked there on separate occasions. It's a great indicator to identify people that have more dollars than sense and also gargle Elon's balls.
He needs CyberViagra
Steer by wire literally makes no sense in a car, a physical shaft is not only cheaper but also lighter than the necessary parts for SBW
I’ll stick with physical connections for stuff that is critical for control, steering and braking are the most important controls IMO, losing accelerator input is annoying sure but losing braking or steering can quickly turn deadly
I have to give Elon credit he made people pay 100k for a garbage bin
Eh, at least the Starship does something that's not currently the norm and tries something new... even if it's been failing at a rate that's not great even for SpaceX.
My 2008 Mercury Mariner (rebadged Ford Escape) has electric power-assisted steering. It's exactly as you described it, but with the advantage of maintaining a mechanical connection between the steering wheel and steering box. Pure steer-by-wire as Tesla uses is just a cheaper version of that, removing the mechanical link. Imagine that, a 17-year-old Ford Escape with a superior steering system as compared to a brand new $100k pickup truck imposter.
I'm seeing them less in Vancouver. They certainly don't seem to be getting delivered much any more. I'm hopeful that as they break down the owners get something else and the CTs get stripped for parts.
My RC car also has steer by wire.
But it had 2 million reservations that made the Tesla incels squeal with pleasure and calculating themselves rich by extrapolating on numbers they pulled out their ass.
I've only ever seen one in person maybe five times total.
> On paper I imagine there's not much of a safety issue with steer by wire . . . other than lag.
Of course it is. It looks like an asset that hasn't loaded yet
there's perhaps an advantage in making it easier to build RHD vehicles for the LHD market, but a) every other car manufacturer does it without SBW and b) the cybertruck will probably never be sold in the LHD countries, certainly not the wealthier ones
Yeah
grow up. He has done and achieved more than your entire life in the last 10 minutes. Yes, you can hate him, but dont let it cloud your thinking which it clearly is doing.
I see them daily and I have never seen a single one that looked “clean”.
They are around Seattle too. I would see a couple up in the Crystal ski area parking lot.
steer by wire is fuckin' scary. I get one of the advantages: not having to roll the wheel around when parking, but otherwise I just seems like a straight downgrade. There's also no physical downgrade if power is lost. battery pack got punctured & you lost cabin power? guess you're going where ever the wheels were pointed last :) (not that you'd have to worry about that long since the doors wont open while the battery fire turns you to ash :))) ) I believe I read about another manufacturer that had steer by wire that had a physical coupler that was fail-safe & would close if it lost power, creating a mechanical link between the steering wheel and the wheels in such an emergency. That's the kind of redundancy I would expect for any brake or steering system. Couldn't give you a reference though. You can't even use planes as an argument here because you have time and distance between the ground to troubleshoot problems that you just *don't* *have* when driving a car. If something breaks in a car, you have seconds to respond. And there are reasons manufacturers have stuck to 12V. 48V isn't some revolutionary thing that no-body has been able to do. The only thing "revolutionary" about it is using a thinner gauge wiring harness that probably saves a little money & weight. But you introduce safety hazards in doing so and simple diagnostic tools (such as incandescent test lights) that work on nearly *every other* car won't work here. my point about safety is kinda the big one though. you *really* have to go out of your way to get hurt by 12V. Like, you need to either be wearing a ring that becomes the path of a short circuit on a high-amp circuit where the ring heats up and burns you or something like that. But 48V, well that *can* bite all on it's own, and now you're seeing it in every button, switch, harness, and connector. Given, 48V still isn't going to fry you on contact, at least not easily, and is still relatively safe. But my point is dumb-asses will still try to push a button after the face has fallen off with wet hands and be... shocked, that they get shocked from the raw electrical contacts they're pushing on, even in 12V systems. Now quadruple that shock and you have a real hazard.
Who could have foreseen that a niche truck with a huge price tag wouldn't succeed? I'm glad Shaq and Katy Perry like theirs, though ...
> There is, after all, ways for a traditional steering system to fail Sure if a big piece of metal breaks in half.
I'm 800 mi away from Silicon Valley and see them a few times a week.
Every time. That's what I think every time.
"truck" -- it's a hatchback. It ain't no truck.
Main advantage I can think of is it makes it easier for international markets, to have both left- and right-hand drive models. You only have to make changes on the interior, nothing that goes through the firewall. Potentially, also makes interior upgrades easier. You could design a dash that just plugs and bolts in, allowing for painless upgrades/replacements.
LEAVE ELON ALONE
>the moment they realized the exoskeleton idea wasn't going to work For me, that moment came the instant fElon said "exoskeleton".
How can you forget it was supposed to sell 250,000 to 500,000 per year. That was Teslas prediction
They're probably losing money on this starting q4 when rebates are out. They still have inventory from 2024. Best to cancel this product, but doing so will tank the stock, so they'll continue making a loss making unit, and continue sell 5k or less a quarter. Most people buy it being tesla fans. The people who actually need truck will get Ford lightening or ICE.
>To be fair, it's revolutionary in some useful ways: 48 volt accessory architecture and steer by wire, for example. But the whole exoskeleton thing was scam bait. I drove one at the LA Auto Show. It has a **great** drivetrain. Then I stepped inside the show where I could spend time touching the car up close. And I'm not joking to say, it is the **worst production car** to roll off an assembly line in this century. Razor sharp edges everywhere. Bad enough they are on the front of the car, ready to slice a pedestrian in half (not hyperbole). But the doors? No handle, so you have to grab a sharp edge. Great drivetrain. Horrible vehicle. May a future executive (or buyer when Tesla liquidates in a bankruptcy) be able to repurpose that drivetrain into a car body that's actually *good*.
Thank you for your input random person who takes jokes seriously.
Yeah, look at how rich he is, that means he's accomplished a lot...
That's some high level white knighting.
> 48 volt accessory architecture and steer by wire Steer by wire is terrible. No one has made it feel natural yet, you generally lose the entire feel of the road. Look for the video of the latency between the steering wheel turning and the front wheels turning in a CT. Horrible.
Whatever contributions that he has actually made, and he does deserve credit for jumpstarting the EV market (not as a founder as likes to claim), have been overshadowed by his antics the past few years. He had the true believers convinced that all of his efforts were for the good of humanity when it fact, it was all for the good of Elon. Whether that is saving Western Civilization or saving the inhabitants of earth from the fate of Planet Earth, In this context he has been exposed as an utter and complete fraud. For Musk, it's always been about accumulating more and more wealth and power, disrupting the organs of the state to the point that they fail and can no longer fulfill their mission of public service, and tipping the balance of power to private industry to the extent that they are beyond the reach of a now emasculated, feckless and hapless state.
Always makes me think of PS1 era games. I blink once expecting the assets to load 😂
If this isn't an AI-generated article, I'd be surprised. Nothing at all new here.
Brake by wire has been on public roads since the late 90s
Most cars have a physical hydraulic connection between pedal and wheels
most huh
I can’t say about every single model
I was quite impressed with the 48v architecture, hopefully all cars move towards it, it just makes sense nowadays.
48 volt isn't revolutionary, or even new. Ford looked at 48 volt accessory power, probably 20 years ago, for the CVPI, because cop cars have heavy electrical drain. They decided the negatives of the higher voltage outweighed the positives, and stayed with 12 V. I can't really see anything in the Cybertruck which would make 48V particularly beneficial.
Some call him an “old softie”, but I prefer the term, “distinguished gentleman with a flagging erection.” —(Thanks Norm MacDonald!)
Full Self Driving is false advertising! I don’t know how he gets away with calling it that.
Its not hard...nearly every automaker has been doing it for decades already. Currently OEM veh design/dev engineer in vehicle dynamics....look at all the cars for sale in RHD domestic markets (eg Japan) and look at all the LHD markets the largely same car is sold with the steering wheel on the other side...firewall, heater box, ac and brake systems already pre designed lh or rh friendly! Have been for years...at least my 50+ years on the planet! There is a reason 'proper' car OEMs are not rushing to steer by wire 😉 Besides, CyberF*ck is LHD only, not saleable in EU or Japan, so ease of RHD adaption is a nothingberger, like the rest of fElon's shite sermons... The guy truly has no idea, as the gullible and those of a worshipping nature are finding now, but critical thinkers have known for over a decade!😎
Nah, the link between the steering shaft and the... forgot what's it called it English, but the link that connects the front wheels together and allow them to steer. There's a joint in between those 2 and those can wear down and degrade. Leading to wobbly steering. But that joint is soooooo sturdy and reliably that often cars get scrapped before that needs replacing. And it'll warn you before it completely fails, by becoming loose and wobbly.
It's even so baked in that clutch, brake and accelerator can be on both sides of the care at the same time! (lesson cars in my country have that by default), and they are just regular cars being added with extra pedels.
In which vehicle?
I can't imagine the Cybertruck going international...or ever getting an upgraded interior.
Toyota hybrids, GM hybrids, Ford hybrids. Going back to the EV1
Nobody wants a Nazi Truck
Looking at the Prius as an example, I believe these are "brake control by wire" more than "brake by wire". Meaning a sensor on the pedal controls a solenoid and plunger that acts as the primary means of braking....giving the computer lots of flexibility to modulate how much friction braking is used vs regen. However, IMHO this is not the "brake by wire" as commonly thought of - ie a complete absence of a physical connection between the brake pedal and the hydraulic system. Because the Prius has a rod going through the firewall that connects to the pedal - a final fail-safe (although I'm unsure if it would be boosted) way for the driver to use the brakes if the sensors and solenoid were to fail. You can see it in this ebay ad for a Prius booster: [https://www.ebay.com/itm/317077753388?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=317077753388&targetid=2512152189032&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9193992&poi=&campaignid=21214286338&mkgroupid=161030074701&rlsatarget=aud-1242981526930:pla-2512152189032&abcId=9407521&merchantid=6296724&gad\_source=4&gad\_campaignid=21214286338&gbraid=0AAAAAD\_QDh-d3w7J-zEi2SfE00F0JPL6n&gclid=CjwKCAjwvuLDBhAOEiwAPtF0VkPNqRlWz3coIO5FGdT4vxYhZIJ1NTlR\_fPqLrQ6jzSczUg8P4E0IRoCIT4QAvD\_BwE](https://www.ebay.com/itm/317077753388?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=317077753388&targetid=2512152189032&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9193992&poi=&campaignid=21214286338&mkgroupid=161030074701&rlsatarget=aud-1242981526930:pla-2512152189032&abcId=9407521&merchantid=6296724&gad_source=4&gad_campaignid=21214286338&gbraid=0AAAAAD_QDh-d3w7J-zEi2SfE00F0JPL6n&gclid=CjwKCAjwvuLDBhAOEiwAPtF0VkPNqRlWz3coIO5FGdT4vxYhZIJ1NTlR_fPqLrQ6jzSczUg8P4E0IRoCIT4QAvD_BwE) Those studs go through the firewall and that rod and bellows assembly connects to the pedal. So sure, these are highly advanced electronically controlled brakes...but they aren't what people mean when they say "I worry about brake by wire". Those statements reference a system with no physical pedal connection whatsoever.
They really want a horse so they need to do it
>at least the Starship does something that's not currently the norm Yeah most people designing rockets stopped blowing them up regularly during test flights long ago as the technology improved and they could test and model things better before launch.
I'm willing to accept that it's a viable strategy (up to a point), considering how slow most of space launch systems (lowercase) have advanced, i.e. not much. Plus it worked out with Falcon.
Same here as well!😊
He was born rich and is still rich, that isn’t difficult at all, even trump managed it. He is not smart, capable, or unique in any way. Cry harder that your boy is an unskilled rich loserboy like a million others.
It won’t tank the stock. Tesla reports declining sales: stock goes up. Tesla reports sinking profits: stock goes up. Tesla cancels a planned product: stock goes up.
I am not sure he did jump start EVs. It had to happen anyway. My own personal take on EVs is that they should be a lightweight efficient people transporter, and with that bias in mind, I would say Tesla might have done more damage than good. High end cars with more and more tech being lugged around, rather than Fiat 500 type EVs that use smaller batteries and use up less power. To me, its a paradigm shift that needs to happen if we are serious about climate change.
Yes but ran, range. You won’t get people out of their ICE powered Escalades with a Fiat 500e.
My favorite were the dorks flexing in the Electreck comments section about how "I've preordered five." Like, great... you've got $500. Tell me when you've *bought* five. If you were paying attention, it was pretty easy to see there was going to be huge attrition from reservations to sales.
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