Soon™
Hahahaha TM
Meanwhile in Europe I notice a lot of medium sized electric trucks everywhere... Getting pretty late to the party. OTOH that means there might be a good demand for it, so...
April 1st maybe.
as someone in the market, I can’t wait for Tesla Semi - at least when longevity concerns will be disproven. Mercedes is selling eActross with 600kWh batteries for 250k€ (without VAT) and your payload is limited because batteries are heavy compared to diesel version. Tesla somehow managed to pack 900kWh for just few thousand more AND the weight is the same as eActross with 400kWh batteries, lower than 600kWh version. I don’t know how they did it, but we want one. But front needs to be redesigned for EU standards, more versions are also needed to supply smaller stores, as roads aren’t that wide here
Mercedes is using LFP so that might explain some of the weight.
that’s true, but it’s still half the capacity in same weight
I am really curious how Tesla is doing that. We will see how their euro version will look like. They will need to shorten it and increase total weight capacity to the standard 42 metric tons with just two axels as well so quite a few differences.
4680 should be part of the reason. 3/4 reduction in cell count compared to 18650’s. 3/4 reduction in connection points (less material) Theoretically lower heat loss during heavy discharge. Each cell has a metal jacket, and while the cells are bigger you end up with a net reduction in volume/weight of this metal. While they did hype the 4680 format a lot, and it still hasn’t delivered on performance or energy density in cars - the improvements from the size change and the tabless design should still materialize. Curious to see how the latest cell iterations actually spec up and perform. I don’t think anyone has gotten their hands on one yet?
~2 weeks^TM
Prioritizing Cybertruck over the semi was wanker billionaire decision making at its finest. Semi has a massive market that it could shift to an entirely new platform. Instead, Elon wanted his ridiculous looking pickup first. So stupid.
Tesla Semi was cool when it was announced what, 8 years ago now? But it's no longer a market leader. Why did it take 8+ years to actually get it out the door?
I’m looking forward to see how FSD in the semi’s will reduce accidents of that vehicle class.
Lol they could roll the roadster out of the back of the semi and reveal them both!
Oh that’s the same day as the new Roadster!
What truck is better?
I’ve been hearing that word tossed around for almost 10 years now.
It seems wrong, but CT is a toy. It was perfect experimenting vechicle. Semi must be perfect. It requires years of testing.
Sound engineering takes time! Further the battery problem took a long time to resolve. As for market leader I'm not sure what you are talking about, having a truck on the market doesn't make you a leader if nobody wants to buy it. Market leaders generate sales and I suspect Tesla will have no problem here.
100%. Cybertruck gets bought by tesla fans who like to overlook minor mistakes. Semi on the other hand will be bought by companies who rely on it to make money and will lose money when something fails. Has to be completely flawless to enter this new market.
If the heating system behaves anything like what the Model 3's does, this thing will be absolutely terrible in colder than -9c. And forget about feeling safe during anything with real blowing snow. My experience is their winter testing isn't worth anything compared to real world conditions... My Model 3 is absolute dogshit in -30 with a blizzard going on.
Ok i read that as tesla opens megachurch, guess it’s not far from the truth
Why do you not feel safe when the snow is blowing? Never struck me as a problem
Considering FSD crashes at rates significantly higher than human drivers….don’t get your hopes up
> Considering FSD crashes at rates significantly higher than human drivers You have that backwards. The computer is far safer than humans.
Nope, I have it right. Keep in mind the data below is _with_ safety drivers meaning it is on par (or should be better since they’re professional safety drivers) than normal FSD https://electrek.co/2026/01/29/teslas-own-robotaxi-data-confirms-crash-rate-3x-worse-than-humans-even-with-monitor/ > According to a chart in Tesla’s Q4 2025 earnings report showing cumulative robotaxi miles, the fleet has traveled approximately 500,000 miles as of November 2025. That works out to roughly one crash every 55,000 miles. > For comparison, human drivers in the United States average approximately one police-reported crash every 500,000 miles, according to NHTSA data. > However, that figure doesn’t include non-police-reported incidents. When adding those, or rather an estimate of those, humans are closer to 200,000 miles between crashes, which is still a lot better than Tesla’s robotaxi in Austin.
That’s not what was asked though. You’re taking a snapshot of an unsupervised geofenced area vs normal FSD which is what the semi would have.
How am I wrong? Per Tesla’s own data FSD is up to 10x more crash prone than a human driver, and that is _with_ a safety driver.
> Per Tesla’s own data FSD is up to 10x more crash prone than a human driver That is simply not true. The computer is 5-7x safer than a human. https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety
You don't. For starters, because those numbers are wrong. The average miles-to-accident number for human drivers is around 220,000 miles, not 500,000 miles. Also, that's ONLY counting accidents with police involvement. In other words, many minor accidents will go unreported on a human-driven vehicle that won't on an autonomous vehicle where everything is being monitored. Even so, multiple datasets have shown that fearmongering aside, autonomous vehicles are already much safer than human drivers. https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.12675 https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety
"Los Angeles" It's Ontario! The IE!
You're comparing apples to oranges. Crashes vs police-reported crashes.
Finland here, Teslas work really really well here in the winter. Granted, it doesn't really get colder than -40 here, but snow and cold is not a problem at all. If you're having issues, I recommend AC maintenance and proper winter tires. All seasons etc are joke in real winter conditions regardless of the vehicle.
Sigh…read the post please. Tesla vs police reported is 10x higher. Tesla vs all (including non-police reported) is 3x higher. Either way it is between 3-10x higher crash rate
Read my comment please. I already addressed that at the bottom. And this uses Tesla’s own data for robotaxis which isn’t cherry-picked and misrepresented like their general autopilot data (which doesn’t account for weather conditions or people disabling it due to erratic autopilot behavior)
I don’t have time to debunk everything here. Tesla’s safety posts do not differentiate activation scenarios (snow, rain etc) where it isnt used by drivers due to unreliability. It also has pretty tight bounds on the time between deactivation and accident. Their robotaxi data doesn’t have this cherry-picking (because it has to be activated at all times) and shows a 3x-10x worse crash rate than humans. Now ask which data Tesla would present if given the choice….the cherry-picked data or the one showing the actual crash rates of their robotaxis.
If you consider that your 500km's of range will be down to 180km's of range, as "not a problem" then I suppose it's not a problem. lol Also, if you consider that where the wipers dock, as not having a heat source at all - where water can literally freeze them to the windshield as not a problem - well, then I suppose we have different definitions of what a problem is. I love my Model 3 in temperate conditions... And for traction, they're great.,... However, in super cold weather- the energy efficiency is TERRIBLE, and it is absolutely terrible at generating heat in super cold weather conditions with blowing snow. It's not a debate, it's a fact that I had to painfully learn because people don't speak the truth about how these things are in super cold weather.
with no FSD ? .... ya
It would have made sense, if they made a truck people wanted to buy. Unfortunately they made an ugly truck, that very few people want to buy.
#facts
> which isn’t cherry-picked and misrepresented like their general autopilot data (which doesn’t account for weather conditions or people disabling it due to erratic autopilot behavior) "Data which doesn't exist and but which I imagine supports my argument" is not the airtight case you seem to think it is.
I mean, I linked the data. Your choice to reject reality.
It will be interesting to watch. A lot of fleet owners see high fluctuations in diesel so this can be a good fit. Walmart, UPS, Fedex, and regional grocery chains will be early adapters.
You literally cherry picked.
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