Elon states $99 FSD will eventually increase

That’s not going to net more subscribers, or at least sustained ones. I’ll still use it for road trips but that will be it. Lower the price and I’ll be a less inclined to turn it off for months on end.

eff you elon!

We will see a rise in price, but in 3-5 years when there are multiple FSD systems available, it’s going to become a commodity that is included with vehicles. Just like OS upgrades have become free on computers.

Even fewer takers then. $50 is about right

This is y we need competition

I think that's the point... Basic Autopilot offers almost the same functionality when it comes to most highway driving, so I guess they hope to squeeze a couple more months of subscription out of people by lobotomizing new vehicles. Personally I think it'll just make anyone not already interested in FSD leave to choose from the many other EVs that still include lane keeping.

Just bring in the Chinese vehicles already. Enough competition will bring Tesla back down a notch.

I would subscribe for $50! $99 seems a bit much.. (yes the car is not cheap blah blah)

What about people who paid thousands of dollars for FSD addon packages? Are they grandfathered in or did their purchase mean nothing?

You will own nothing

I think free is right if you own vehicle. If not you pay a subscription or per ride fee. Talking about raising price makes me as a shareholder think they aren't confident in the product, funny enough.

agree. 50 is the right price.

is hw3 good enough?

Debating buying fsd outright

If not a Chinese company, it will be someone like Comma.ai - up front cost without the bullshit monthly fees. Either way, it's a matter of time. Tesla is going to ostracize themselves if they don't start bringing online as many customers as possible. Make it free for Tesla owners and get people in the ecosystem.

that's what he wants

wasn't the whole point of FSD to increase saftey so less humans die? Guess that was a lie and its all about $ afterall

It’s going to happen in Canada. Pay close attention to Tesla sales there. As more Chinese cars are sold there it will be interesting to see all comparison videos from a Canadian perspective

Totally. It’ll rise until we see proper competition… then it’ll sink.

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People forget that *both* FSD subscribers *and* EBITDA are targets for Elons pay package. He can't just drop the price to get subscribers, it has to deliver the $ too.

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Owners will have to take Tesla to arbitration to get their money back or to force Tesla to upgrade the car. I think they are hoping most owners won’t do that or that they get rid of their cars and the problem goes away.

lol, I wasn’t even subscribed in the first place

What about the air conditioning? Or the ability to open and close windows? How much of the functionality that the hardware you've already paid for can deliver should you lease instead of own? What should those prices be? It's all controlled by software anyway, so what's the difference?

Yeah if it goes higher, i drop it. Regardless of its "value." I can drive my car fine without it...

Yes you can.

Okay hear me put: FSD chargex per hour. You pay $2 and can go 60 minutes on FSD. Surely there's an nfc pad somewhere so you could tap your phone and pay while driving. /s

We’ve heard this before and the opposite happened.

https://preview.redd.it/qcqrp92le1fg1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afcccb0ad28b9cfe145b2020abbbcef1ce50592c Lol

Unsupervised people might pay more. No autopilot on a market of cars with autosteer coming on every vehicle at a competing price point is crazy.

I’ll gladly go back to $200 a month if I could sleep during fsd. Ain’t gonna happen anytime soon tho

Wasn't it obvious back in 2017 when Musk said they would stop selling Teslas as soon as FSD is achieved because earning $$$ is more important?

I guess plummeting sales are no big deal to Tesla. I mean this alone will push me towards a Rivian or Lucid, and not towards buying FSD. The couple months I tried FSD when trials were given, I did not like it one bit. And I am not paying $99 a month for basically lane keep assist (because thats as much of FSD as I would want to use, I dont want it changing lanes, I dont want it doing anything other than keep speed I set and keep lane I choose).

This guy 🤦🏻‍♂️

Won’t this discouraged people who already purchased FSD from buying another Tesla? I will drag buying a new car out as long as I can if it’s going to cost me another $100 / mo on top of the lease to get the same features as my existing car which is already paid and has FSD. Or I’ll just buy a Rivian when it’s time to upgrade since I’m going to have basic lane keeping in either case. (If I don’t lay the monthly fee).

Not worth it. When they take away FSD transfer you'll have to keep your car for 80+ months to make it worth it.

Called it. Every subscription increases in price over time. That's how they get you. It's a very good business model (for the company).

Unless Trump allows Chinese competition I don't see anyone able to replicate FSD except for Mobileye maybe

I was going to buy my first tesla later this year mainly for auto pilot, not so sure anymore if they dont reverse this decision by the time i planned on looking

Dont give into FOMO. Would you actually use it? Would you actually use it for 6/7 years worth of your car's lifetime? Because thats the point where buying it outright beats just subscribing when you want it. If you subscribe to it for half the year thats 12+ years to break even.

If I can sleep to and from work in my car without a worry I’ll pay whatever it takes!

We already have competition. Toyota offers hands free lane centering with their new safety sense 4.0 package rolling out in the new RAV4s. People don’t necessarily want or need a full self driving package. They just want the car to handle the more bland aspects of driving in a safe and reliable manner.

At this rate we’ll probably be comparing it to Lyft/Uber on a per trip basis. Uber is $X, Lyft is $Y, FSD is $Z… plus parking.

Increase it by 10$ then I will hit cancel. Even at $99 and I am paying them to train their system. I will pay 200$ if it can drive itself unsupervised

Based on estimates, as no exact figures have been disclosed. There have been about 8.5 million Tesla vehicles sold worldwide. Not all of those even have the hardware to support FSD, but I think we can treat them like they do for the ease of the numbers. Apparently 12% have FSD, either purchased or on subscription, so only about 1.02 million. That means, not only does Tesla need to ramp their sales back up, which have been declining the past 2 years from 1.8 to 1.7 to 1.6 million, but they also need to get almost 100% of their customers to choose to upgrade to a tentatively $99/mo subscription. That sub is going to go up, making it even less appealing. And it's on top of a $10/mo connectivity subscription that I assume the majority of people do already pay for. On top of all of that, apparently Tesla's valuation is priced as though there would be around 20 million active FSD subscribers, more than double the amount of active cars that actually even exist. Incredible.

Tesla already compete with chinese ev. They sell car in china.

Prices will keep dropping. It’s going to be a commodity feature that every brand has before you know it. I used to own a Tesla. Prices will go down for FSD - not up.

>Personally I think it'll just make anyone not already interested in FSD leave to choose from the many other EVs that still include lane keeping. Exactly. Half a decade ago Telsa was still in a special spot on the market with few competitors. ICE brand are catching up and there are the chinese brands too (especially in Europe).

He’s saying it’s going to increase when it’s fully autonomous self driving where you can sleep or be on your phone while driving. I think a price increase for that is fair

I don’t even use it on the times I have it for free

Depends on the car. I bought my car used and it had enhanced auto pilot so buying fsd was $2000. Well worth the upgrade. It’s already paid for itself and I use it every day

It's like netflix saying don't worry guys there will be more to watch later. I'd f\*\*\*\*\* hope so. If it were to go backwards in functionality instead it'd be quite bad.

This will be true until other AI + sensor suite systems replicate Tesla's FSD performance at much lower cost, which is inevitable as AI hyperscales from here.

My interest in getting a second Tesla just cooled.

Yes, and the result is that they’re less expensive over there

I think this is BS. The price will only decrease, because they want more takers. $100 is too much already, especially for HW3 cars. $50 would actually make me pay monthly and not turn it off.

That’s definitely not sustainable. FSD more expensive and new cars with just cruise control? I’d definitely consider another brand when the time to buy another car comes.

Spoiler: Look at the list of best selling Chinese EVs, take out the mini EVs that won't work in the North American market, and you'll see Tesla is at the very top.

Exactly. And they are the only ones that are competitive with Chinese EVs.

You forget that fsd is available only in NA and Canada

You’d think since he used all of people’s driving data to train the computers he would actually give everyone a discount

Chinese competitors unfortunately sucked compared to teslas fsd in a chinese media tech company extensive test of all their autopilot brands

Nfc? Your car has your credit card saved for super chargers. You just need to press one button to pay

I think there are less people willing to pay so much for self driving than he realizes

The difference is you've paid upfront for the AC and the windows hardware, but beyond that there isn't much software involved with them and any existing software isn't changing much. But for FSD it's not the hardware that's doing the majority of the self driving work, it's the software. It's like saying just because your PC is capable of running Photoshop it should be free to you. So just like Photoshop you need to either pay upfront to own the license, or pay monthly to have it.

This is exactly what I needed to not renew my Tesla lease and go for byd.

How can you not see the difference from developing software for fsd driving and the one to close the window? If you buy a computer software is not free. The only software that you get for free when you buy a computer is the bios. Open and closing a window is a bios. FSD is like your favourite game.

Autopilot is pretty archaic at this point. Almost everyone offers simple lane keeping like that. They don't even sell the upgrade that gave Autopilot lane change and Autopark anymore, which actually puts it behind many of their competitors.

True, but that's the closest we get among the readily available cars. Everyone else suggest literally nothing for the city driving. The best they can offer is some glorified basic highway assist.

This might actually be the plan, customer buys a car then pays to not drive it

I use it every time I can. Once you get used to it, it's hard to go back. I hate driving any vehicle that doesn't have it, as I desperately try their other ADAS features to try compensate.

This is an interesting comment...truth ,(eventually).

The issue is they're also eliminating FSD transfer.

Wasn't this already the case? As far as I know, the license to FSD has never been transferable. So it would not make sense for you to upgrade to a new Tesla before or now.

Yea I used it the last two days. I will never sleep with it. It couldn’t handle a little wind without overcompensating every little adjustment.

Totally different ballpark and threshold from being able to actively sleep or work in your car while it's driving itself, though. People don't even understand. It's not about what people want right at this moment. What people want now is based on what they think is possible, what they're used to, what's available. The future market where people can drive literally hands-free is immense and worth $200/mo or more for many people.

There have been windows when they'd let you transfer your fsd license if you upgrade. But it was more like a promo sort of thing to help sales

I think the average low-end customer would be very happy with $50 / mo. The premium/business $200 - $300 / mo for full capabilities. People who want to rent out their vehicles as taxis $150 / mo + a percentage of profits.

Used Teslas are gonna be a good choice if you’re not interested in FSD

I don’t get point of paying for FSD. If it becomes real full self driving then why even own a car… I’ll just call a Waymo/Robotaxi for my trips as needed and save enormous amounts of money on car payment, insurance, taxes, interest, fuel, parking and maintenance. Cars are the number one destroyers of wealth but also create freedom in this horrible transit lacking country.

State laws may not allow you to sleep or work in the car even if it is possible for a car to fully self drive. It’s gonna take a long time and for that to change. Maybe that’s why Musk is trying to be a trillionaire so that he can lobby for law changes.

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The higher it get's in price. The more I will cancel.

Enshitification I believe is the term. Its funny how my Dads 2016 model S is much better than the new cars in many many ways. Not all but many

I mean, I don’t know if I’d ever have the guts to sleep on FSD, but I sure as hell wouldn’t mind being able to text and check my phone more often while on it without the alerts.

How long did it take you to actually trust the FSD enough to fall asleep? Would you wake up after you pulled into your driveway

They lost their mission years ago, everything else followed.

That's what was stated, but at least in Canada it was available all the time for the last year or two... They were constantly emailing me about it.

Wow, I’m sure traffic enforcement and insurance companies are gonna love this.

I agree. This seems like a very poor decision on the surface. See how fast they backtrack.

I guess as they say, different strokes for different folks. some people like driving the car themselves, some wish they never had to drive. I use autopilot all the time, but would never ever use FSD, free or otherwise. I dont want the car making sub-optimal moves on the road. Im not super concerned with it causing my death. But if it does, then its too late for me, even if Tesla gets in big trouble for it, doesnt help me or my family in any way. Most of the time it will just make a headline that is forgotten the next day. Again. doesnt help me in any way. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/ I mean, check out this video lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-ilhpESuw

I hear this a lot but I really don't think this is true in most cases. I have a M3P and my wife got a new Audi etron q4 and in all honesty they are miles apart!!

Sleeping is not enough. Like the Volvo Dude already said years ago, self-driving becomes interesting when the car manufacturer takes responsibility for it and covers liability. So yeah, if Tesla covers all the costs of a crash, car, hospital, wage loss, compensation and so on, then there would be a huge value jump! Before that 🥱

Well even today, if you are wearing sunglasses. You will wake up at the destination..

Yeah sk they're taking even the archaic part away and forcing you into a $99 mo sub Shit move

Yeah, the only way other cars are competitive is if you put Comma Openpilot on them.

Rivian R2 for mom it is, then.

Seems reasonable

Its available in Australia + New Zealand.

Uh I didn't know. Interesting. But how many cars did they sell in Australia and NZ?

No, it isn’t. Geely Geome and BYD Seagull both outsell the top Tesla in China.

If you outright own FSD I imagine our car value will increase in value like the "unlimited charging" ones.

How many years now has he been promising Unsupervised FSD? The FSD in my 2021 S struggles and the speed oscillates when driving on the freeway near other cars telling me the CPU is having issues keeping up, that's not even with the latest version since apparently my 4 year old car is too old to get the latest and greatest :/

Look at each one of the top vehicles above the Model Y and it's obvious those are not regular size vehicles that would work in the North American market. They're not actually competitive. The top "real" car is the Tesla Model Y.

That's before Tesla just gutted their only market advantage. Imagine buying a "car of the future" and it only comes with cruise control and offline navigation for $50k, lol

Funny thing for me is the value would be daily grind more than road trips but I take your point.

I'd say shop around if you aren't buying a used Tesla new Teslas are not worth it at all. Many makes are competitive, especially used - but a used Tesla is a killer deal, especially if you find one with FSD or EAP purchased outright.

Same thing was said when Tesla opened up the Supercharger network. "That was their only market advantage." Similar thing was said when they were the first to lose the federal tax credit. And again back when they opened up all of their patents. I wouldn't worry about Tesla.

The Super Charger network advantage was true in 2020. Them opening gave them extra revenue routes. I don't think they lost their advantage either with the integrations. But, to surrender an extremely basic feature almost every car maker has is a wild move. Edit: when I started shopping for an EV back in 2019 my choices were limited. I picked Tesla for the following features: - EAP (commuted an hour each way daily) - Super Charging network (long road trips, no competitor at the time) - EV with good software - Acceleration Tesla now has no EAP, an open network, and it's software is _ok_ with standard. So, to me they're losing their edge. They're putting all their eggs into a soon to be "rental" only feature. Meaning to unlock everything in your car you're paying your car payment + ($110) a month to use the features. And, he's saying it'll raise. IMO they need tiers for their subscription or purchases, AP/EAP/FSD. But, AP and EAP need to be updated.

And then the receipt comes out of the air vents.

Well that’s if they give FSD (unsupervised) to people that have purchased FSD (supervised) without them having to pay a monthly subscription. Also the price tag for FSD was $8k before, so the monthly subscription will take you a little under 8 years to pay the same amount. And if you keep your car for less than that the subscription will be cheaper, and will be more expensive if you have your car longer (assuming you don’t take any months off). The average amount of time a household owns a new car is a little over 8 years, but the median is under 6 years so the subscription will be cheaper than the all-out purchase for most people. That’s before they start raising prices though.

lol what? The Geome and Dolphin both are subcompacts similar in wheel base and length as a Toyota Cross. Stop spreading misinformation.

Last year? Maybe like 30k

Regular glasses too.

They have 15% the profits of Toyota while having 7x the valuation though. Even if you think they will be successful in the future, it’s hard to say that their business ventures of their current revenue streams are all that successful.

You didn't think that we would get away with the cheaper insurance loophole with FSD did you? This is Musk informing the public that Tesla is going to close that. They know they can milk Tesla owners now, this is their admission to that fact.

The same trend is happening in China and Europe with BYD selling more cars. I would not assume smaller cars would not sell in North America. People would buy an EV car if it was affordable and offered great tech. With high interest rates, high car prices, and affordability concerns an affordable may be the solution

If they don’t, they risk another lawsuit. The wording on buying FSD has usually been that you buy FSD, not FSD (Supervised).

Let's come back to this in a year or two. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

What does market cap have anyone to do with this topic on hand?

Already the richest person in world, and still trying to chase a $1T pay package. Why?

I just don't think we need to worry about Tesla being uncompetitive because they "just gutted their only market advantage" by removing autopilot and forcing FSD subscriptions. Yeah, I don't like these moves either. But this is not something they can't change if it turns out to be bad for sales. Tesla is constantly adjusting pricing and product offerings. They will swing back and forth a bit to find the right combination to stay competitive. That's my point.

I currently use FSD constantly. If they increase the price more, I will only use it during road trips, which might be once a year. I may also be less inclined to get a new Tesla when my lease expires. FSD is one of the primary factors of me owning a Tesla.

I’ll stick with my autopilot thanks mate. FSD really isn’t that good.

This is very dumb for Elon to do. Tesla is still in a growth phase when it comes to fsd. He shouldn't be raising the price just because the technology is getting better. He should be wanting millions of people to subscribe first, before even thinking about raising the price even $1.

Out the charge port

Yeah I got a highland and I’m really hoping for ten years with fsd to really get the value, we shall see.

lol with 2 kids ? how are you going to do that! the car is also a storage space for stuff you might need

Tesla isn’t removing autopilot from vehicles that people already own are they? It’s just the vehicles that are being sold from Tesla now on right?

If you want new look at Rivian R2. Especially if you want an SUV. A Model Y is closer to a sedan than an SUV. If you want a Tesla buy used and that will have autopilot.

base model teslas don’t even have the auto park features which most cars at its price point do. no autosteer now too? why is tesla acting like it has a monopoly lol

Considering that he's been announcing that FSD is less than six months away for the last decade, I'd be inclined to take his latest pronouncement with more than a pinch of salt.

It should just be included with the cars at no extra cost.

Yeah, but that was then and this is now. Rivian just announced a system that's at v12 levels and M-Benz is working with nvidia on something similar for city street driving. Lucid has its own partnership too going on. As things stand, there's a race beginning in FSD technology

Happens to be the same person claimed money means nothing in couple years

I swear they don’t understand the market at all. The fact that they’re making newer cars worse (removing autopilot), increasing FSD prices, and I guess expecting growth? I’m glad I got my car when I did because seeing all this is making me think twice about buying another Tesla in the future, and I really love my car and was thinking my next car would also be a Tesla…..

If it goes higher than the old price I’ll fall back to my included autopilot package.

Tesla? About 30k is right. In NZ (bit over 5 million population, Tesla sold 1,500 cars all up. But BYD overtook them after events last year. [https://www.moneyhub.co.nz/top-selling-cars.html](https://www.moneyhub.co.nz/top-selling-cars.html) Australia was just under 28k but: *Tesla remained the top seller of electric vehicles, reporting 28,856 registrations in 2025, but the brand was down 24.8 per cent compared to 2024's 38,347, let alone its record result of more than 46,000 in 2023* [https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-best-selling-electric-cars-in-2025-by-model-and-brand/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-best-selling-electric-cars-in-2025-by-model-and-brand/) Tesla market is suffering as there is only the M3 and Y, so sales are declining in a growing market that has new EV introduced in the last year from Toyota, Honda, Mazda and endless Chinese brands While BYD and others are bringing in new models on a very regular basis; the BYD Shark is quickly being common place with utes/pickups very popular here as well in other countries. The new BYD 1 and 2 I think will mean Tesla will quickly fall down the sales charts. I am looking to buy and at the moment ex-lease Polestar 2s are looking very reasonable prices

Look at Australia as a proxy for NA market; Tesla is rapidly declining as Chinese vehicles like the BYD Shark are a practical cost efficient vehicle. BYD Sealion, Seal and full range including the smaller 1 & 2 range, I suspect would do pretty well in the US if they were allowed I am not sure of the regulations. If Canada/Mexico, allows the Chinese EVs, can Americans buy a car there and drive it back across the border?

its still e waste by a greed sucker

I did not know, that fsd had any capabilieties other than raiding money for tesla.

Remember they’re taking away baseline autopilot for new sales post feb

Because it’s not a “pay” package, it’s a stock package. Just like his other wealth, it’s based on the value of his companies and his ownership stake in them. He wants to maintain control and influence over the companies, especially during their transition to increasingly wild technologies (like teslas ambitions to be a home humanoid robot maker targeting every consumer in America). ….Maybe targeting was the wrong word.

Needs resources to get to Mars.

They are going to milk the shit out of us until other manufacturers catch up. Oh and we shouldn’t settle for FSD lite . We should have a proper retrofit .

Well, it doesn’t for him either. These are stock and ownership stakes, he doesn’t have a checking account with 100 billion dollars. He just has ownership in a percent of stock that is worth 100 billion dollars. It’s not possible to sell it all, that would crash the price.

Tesla is getting rid of basic AP on new vehicles…. Yes AP was good enough for highway driving, actually better than FSD because you can pick your exact speed and it doesn’t try to pass cars on the right when there’s nowhere to go. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1qkgnu4/tesla_has_officially_discontinued_autopilot_in/

How does this affect pre owned teslas that have auto pilot? Will those go back to tacc?

Even if the product is great which is kinda decent now I don’t really see people paying much more for it….. imagine paying 100 bucks for Netflix, I mean it’s good and it has decent content but at some point price vs product just makes it not feasible.

Until there's competition and it decreases.

I mean, i think it’s just going to make more people go towards competitors, tragically many ICE vehicles. My wife’s ‘25 Subaru has lane keeping ffs. This guy also has the value of FSD grossly inflated in his head.

I think removing autopilot as standard is a terrible move

I don’t like using FSD. I do use autopilot during my highway commute. Taking away a basic function that others have is a terrible decision. It’s not going to push people to FSD, it’s going to push them away from Tesla.

Imagine driving a Tesla death box. Hope Elon’s nuggets taste good in your mouths.

This man wants you to be poorer. He doesn’t care if he is wealthier. Quit falling for it

Yeah yeah. He’s made claims before.

Another reason to buy Rivian

They should let people pay 10,000 to get life fsd attached to their account, not car. This would lock people into their eco system for life. I got a 2025 and 2020 Tesla model y at the start of last year to get ev tax credits for our household. We got the lifetime fsd for both cars. I was planning on transferring the 2020 fsd to a new car after my gf gets her masters in nursing. But I might look around for a different car then, especially if BYD gets to the USA. I don’t like renting and not owning parts of my car.

Anyone who expected otherwise is daft.

I get that this makes the car freakin drive itself but man I just can’t see that many people shelling out $99 a month for it. It just sounds too expensive, $1200 dollars a year? I really hope they realize that if they want this to be mass adopted they need to make it as cheap as possible.

I would cancel if it even went to $109. I only drive 8k miles annually. I love FSD, but it's a luxury that I don't need.

Elons not gonna get 10M active subscriptions for his pay package above $100/mo

Kinda like a toll road. I have HW3 and it's dangerous as he'll. AP is very nice for hwy driving even better than FSD. With gas prices at $2.20 a gallon and electricity going up i will probably be switching back to ICE. Saving $35 / mo oil changes would now cost $99+ for FSD. Depression and tires are no fun. Will miss the instant power.

They should already be making a tiered cost demanding on what hardware you have those that HW3 have essentially stopped getting FSD updates. And now he’s talking about going up to HW9?

We all know that technology gets cheaper over time as it scales. So I doubt that people will accept increases in inflation-adjusted prices over time, even with more functionality.

I remember downvoting this exact comment lmao

Passing cars on the right is my biggest pet peeve with FSD. Especially when there’s no good reason to do so!

Um, the amount of "free" software available today is insane. Any investment in consumer-oriented software is built into the cost of the product. That's the thing about consumer software -- it gets dirt cheap (if not free) as it becomes common because competition drives it to $0. I can't even think of the last piece of software I bought as a consumer other than a video game.

That's really not common in software-based technology. I can't think of a software breakthrough that didn't have decent alternatives a year or two later. It's almost impossible to develop "secret" software techniques nowadays Because "FSD" software is not interactive, there isn't a huge moat even for first-movers.

He should have sold these idiots flying cars 10 years ago... FSD is the flying car of Tesla.

If starlink’s random and frequent plan changes is normal, I expect Tesla to play around with their subscription pricing frequently. It’s like watching an amateur try to learn on the fly.

If they want to net more subs they need to be putting this at the 50 bucks a month mark. It's amazing how one of the "smartest" people in the world is stupid and can't figure out the cheaper you make it (affordability) the more will come and the larger your profit will be.

Why not make different levels of service?

Umm it needs to drop by 50% to be buyable for anyone who doesn't have long commutes. Raising it is hilarious. Zero chance I spend even $100/mo for the length of my daily commute. Where I have to take over multiple times on every trip anyway.

u/njvicente21 we are pinging you for your comment.

Reminder that I called this: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/IjHJMtk6kb

I feel like this was fixed at some point in v14? When was the last time you saw it, and are you using HW3 or 4?

How is it working currently in europe? is it good?

I've been on the fence about subscribing. Raising the price will definitely help me make a decision. 🤣🤣🤣

I mean this comment wasn't accurate before. They've increased FSD pricing several times.

I originally picked Tesla over a Bolt in 2018 because of Autopilot ($5000 at the time for EAP). No way I would buy a car that requires a subscription for lane assist.

That's the idea, but.... There's nothing technically stopping them from doing it retroactively either (legally is another issue). Like they could remove AP in the name of "safety" in the future. I personally don't think this will happen but then again, I didn't think they would eliminate AP on new cars either.

The problem is that on new vehicles like the Juniper, you can't engage Autosteer separately from TACC. You have to pick one or the other and can't change it while driving. And whenever you want to switch lanes on the freeway, you have to completely disengage autosteer/cruise and re-engage once you get in the new lane. This makes it _very_ annoying to use. However, if you have an FSD sub, then the Autosteer is essentially EAP and you get automatic lang change, etc. So, they basically gimped Autosteer on the new cars so much that you are pretty much required to buy FSD if you want any sort of autosteering and also the ability to change lanes.

There is a contract with a configuration that existing owners signed, so there is plenty stopping them from doing it. Theres nothing stopping them from going through and checking to see who did **not** sign documents with Autopilot or FSD, and remotely removing the feature if you didn’t pay for it and didn’t sign for it. That’s something they’ve done before and would do again. That’s why FSD was absolutely worthless when I sold my 3 earlier this year. No one believed it would stay with the car.

Surely there will be a nice increase to your insurance as well

If I can take a nap while it drives me, I’ll gladly pay $100 a month.

Given the number of miles I drive per month and counting insurance, paying for parking at my apartment, etc, this might make just riding in a Waymo everywhere cheaper than the Tesla if they did such a price increase. And you actually can fall asleep in those, today!

You will own nothing and be happy

I don’t believe a thing this man says. Furthermore, I’d wager that not a single Tesla that has shipped will ever be capable of the unsupervised autonomy to let you fall asleep and wake up safely at your destination. I recently drove in heavy rain and it was entirely incapable of doing supervised FSD, let alone unsupervised, as it said the cameras were blocked. The camera only solution that Elon has insisted on will never be sufficient for anything other than perfect weather (as long as the sun isn’t blinding the cameras).

One of multiple reasons I got rid of paying for it. FSD HIghway behavior was terrible compared to AP

It’s back on the latest v14…at least for me.

I naturally thought this was going to be the progression for Tesla. My wonder, now, will manufacturers take advantage and offer their version of AP for free, or will they follow suit and take it away and make owners purchase their FSD too?

And that's exactly what I said would happen when they announced the end of being able to buy it outright: https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1qcgjqx/whats_your_take_on_fsd_going_subscription_only/nzibiq4/ Tesla was going to be my next car. Right now, probably not. There's better and cheaper options available.

It’s very simple: Offering fewer options is rarely good for the consumer.

Yes AP is so much better on highways, especially if you have the S3XY commander and lane changes automatically turn AP back on. I just wish AP could go 10 over on backroads again, otherwise I'd have zero reason to use FSD. But going only 5 over on backroads and I'll have 10 cars behind me pissed off. I do like FSD around town but I don't really mind driving on local roads I often feel safer just steering myself around town. HW4 is much better around town than my HW3 but I just don't really enjoy having to supervise FSD for town driving.

I simply will not buy a Tesla if I can't buy unlimited FSD with the car. I never have, and never will, have a subscription model for anything on my car.

Nope. It will drive people to GM for super cruise.

Fsd should come free to compensate the drop in value for cts and encourage more buyers to buy and up low sales

People might start putting Openpilot in their Teslas since they now removed basic Autopilot. The irony.

Wut. That’s extremely dumb.

Imagine paying to own your car AND paying to take a taxi at the same time 😅

Going to lose subscribers, I stop subscribing to FSD for my HW3 Model Y a few months back, because I haven’t seen no new version updates.

I would only pay increased amount if it comes with Tesla liability for an accident

I have a MY and a Q8 etron. What aspect is miles apart? I agree Tesla has better software presentation, but at the end of the day I’m spending 99% of my car time just driving, not playing a the screen.

Wonder how capable Tesla will be to honor Elon’s pay package if the valuation drops that much…or how solvent the company is, especially if Elon try’s to take much of the value to avoid going broke.

I have a HW3 car with FSD and I use it all the time. I’m pretty happy with it.

😂

Not everyone has kids, especially people 0-32 years old…????? (Maybe higher now) perhaps they would like to save money to do more and afford a house for future kids instead of spending it on depreciating lease machines that now have forced subscriptions for features that were once included with cost of car.

TACC and Autosteer will still come with new vehicles. This is simply a marketing change.

Doubtful as they will start version gating FSD improvements like HW3 and HW4.

Once that happens, could we go up to Canada, buy the Chinese car and drive it into the US?

Probably go back to the original price of $199

Yeah - our Kia minivan has “autopilot” now on a mid level trim.

In Europe, there are a decent number of people doing that already, as Autopilot is quite limited.

I feel that Tesla could always make up a BS reason to remove AP as "unsafe". The company has, IMO, changed for the worse in the last few years and I now don't think this is beyond the realm of possibility.

MACO Musk! Musk Always Chickens Out. He will roll this back at some point.

holy shit, I misread this news yesterday. I thought they discontinued basis autopilot because they now gave it away for free. But they just don’t offer it at all and you now need FSD sub for the equivalent? That’s insane. So now I’m happier with the auto driving features of my non-Tesla than a new Tesla, which is not something I thought would be true for a while.

I'm a Tesla lover but this is clearly to incite FOMO. Lmao

This is kind of disappointing but expected. At $99/mo, it would be a complete no brainer if it can drive you around while you sleep, drop you off at the airport, etc. if its between $2-300/mo, then i think you are getting close to Uber territory. Unless you have to do a really long drive, then it still might be worth it. But if you just need to be dropped off at the airport, or need to get picked up after drinking, I’m would save the money and just get an uber.

There's free self-driving software available too. You can totally buy a comma device and install it on your Tesla if that's what you want.

I paid my $8K 8yrs ago. Now I am just watching to see how Elon will try to weasel out of his contractual obligation. At least this way he can't lie to you more than one month a time at this rate.

I despise how it always wants to sit in the left lane.

You are literally posting this under an announcement from the Tesla CEO, that they will keep increasing the price of the subscription, so I don't think your maths will work out.

I was curious I asked ai. Said no, this was summary While you could theoretically drive a Canadian-registered car into the US as a tourist for up to one year, you cannot buy one, bring it across the border, and register it in the US as a permanent resident.

What an asshole

Our doesn’t print the receipt anymore. Service broke the printer while trying to replace the paper.

I'm HW3 so probably won't ever be fixed for me...

Ahh yes, and the Enshittification begins!

I have a 2018 Model 3, so I had to pay $2k to get basic autopilot. If they remove mine, they better offer me a refund.

Unless a buyer sees FSD as a must have and is fine with paying monthly for it for the entire time they own car, Tesla vehicles due to the lack of autopilot are a bad value. I would not buy any vehicle without autosteer in 2026, nor do I want to pay $1200 a year for FSD. There are plenty of alternatives to this non-sense.

NVIDIA and Mercedes just announced their fsd/adas system at CES that doesn't look far behind Tesla at a similar price coming later 2026, with the CLA 250+ starting at $47k. Apperently they have been working together with Toyota as well, and they are not replicating Tesla they have Radar and Lidar. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8kouoE7Oxg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8kouoE7Oxg)

I don't know but I drove down to TX coast 2 weeks ago and saw a couple BYDs that likely came in through Mexico.

15-20 days of the v14 trial we just got. It was a huge improvement and drove well in the snow. I had v12 over summer when I bought my tesla and was impressed by that but still nervous watching it drive. 14 was a huge improvement. Drives like a real person at stop signs too

Tesla sales have dropped if you haven't noticed. Even with FSD which was once $15000, now down to $100 a month. In 6 years that's only $7200, less than the $8000 asking price.

For some reason all the 3s and Ys have a 3-5 week wait now for ordering. So demand must have picked up. Last spring I could find tons of options on lot or 1-2 weeks away

Probably not buying regardless but if you bought the 8k supervised FSD subscription before it goes away on Feb 14, will it transfer to an unsupervised FSD subscription upon the release of the latter? That's the only way I'd consider buying it

Is Elon delusional? What about the competition improving their own equivalent and catching up? The competitors aren’t in a standstill seriously… FSD subscription should go down and not up. And at some point, may be a long way off, it should come standard with every Tesla. Such crazy position to take!

I wear glasses and it's constantly telling me to pay attention to the road, even when I am.

So now "unsupervised FSD" is the new FSD? Bait & switch

Jokes on Elon...with sunglasses on, I can already be on my phone or sleeping with FSD.

Tesla's future is robots, not cars. If they can deliver a useful robot at a price people and companies can pay, they'll sell a lot of them. Isn't that why there is such a focus on efficiency with the upcoming AI chip designs? Unlike the cars, robots don't have massive battery packs..

Neutering a feature that was a huge value add to Tesla vehicles is a huge mistake... Especially since it's a common feature in other cars now Tesla gave amazing tech value for the money, that is apparently over. It's a bold strategy...

Overall we’ve found just the over all UI compared to the Tesla so clunky, plus the endless errors and updates that we’ve had to take it in for, the inability to accurately set charging times. Maybe we’ve been unfortunate and got a bad vehicle but there’s been so many issues with it. Nothing major but niggly bits that completely take away from the owner experience. the Tesla ‘just works’ it’s like an iPhone once you are used to it it’s hard to move away. It does all the simple things very well and at the same time pushes the technology forward. Just the little things like the Bluetooth key you take for granted until it’s taken away Plus add in the charging network So in a nutshell I’ve found the user/owner experience to be miles better on the Tesla Edit: I came from an A5 Coupe so was very used the Audi interface but going back to it after 4 years with the Tesla was quite painful tbh. Luckily it’s my wife’s car 😂😂

I would pay $200 for unsupervised but only if I'm going on a long road trip.

Canada is in North America.

No, because if you buy a Chinese car in Canada, it has to be registered there. United States have vehicle import laws and if the vehicle was never sold for the US market, it has to be 25 years old before it is eligible for import as it’s considered exempt after 25 years. There are some loopholes around that but only for really rare cars or vehicles that will never be on public roads.

In Australia and New Zealand also. They have no barriers to Chinnese vehicles

Subaru Crosstrek, Impreza, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Chevy Trax, VW Jetta, Hyundai Elantra, Nissan kicks..... Etc Almost all Base models have Lane Centering and Adaptive Cruise control now, and frankly it's smoother/better than Autopilot on several models. I say this because we had a base civic before our model 3. FSD is great, Autopilot is not so much. *Fixed error

Most people won't want to rent $99/mo for a feature.

This is discouraging. I've been eyeballing trading in my truck for a CT or a Model Y to replace our mach-e as our family vacation vehicle so we can do more trips this summer. Was basically just waiting for end of Q1 for some nicer benefits. While I'd be paying the monthly cost of the FSD either way, this really leans against consumer value. That's a slippery slope. I may end up just doing Comma AI on my Mach-E as a stop-gap for now.

What this looks like is autopilot was just kind of dated and not very good imo, they want to streamline their software across the board. I think they will eventually make supervised FSD "free" or included with the vehicle and unsupervised will be a premium you pay. That would keep them in line with competition, because I do not see a competitor that will achieve true unsupervised FSD any time soon.

I hope they decrease from $99 when FSD misbehaves.

Imagine being sold software that claims you can sleep … only to end up 6 ft under for a permanent dirt nap.

I just bought it. Weighed the pros/cons. My car is only a year old and I don't get new vehicles very often, I believe when unsupervised is released they're going to raise the monthly prices and I don't want to be stuck paying the increased prices.

Yea but now if you buy that same M3P, you won't have auto steer anymore without paying $100/mo

Even if you could, i wouldn't want to have to go so far for any warranty/issues.

At the moment that’s not the case in the UK Basic auto pilot is still included

Each of his 12 pay tranches have two requirements - one is to achieve and maintain a certain market valuation for six months, and the other is to achieve whatever milestone. So the market value collapsing while he delivers on whatever milestone wouldn’t be sufficient for a payout.

Your car value will definitely not increase. No one is buying your car for free FSD over just getting the newest generation of the car.

Yes but at least you got autopilot. Now you don’t even get that.

Happened to me multiple times a week ago on hw4.

so it's gonna be like 120 or something? terrible ass move.

Competition is good. Honestly the only reason I still stick with Tesla is the software that isn't glitchy and the FSD is way ahead of the competitors. In almost every other category Tesla is way behind (interior fit and finish, ride quality, sound deadening, even charging speed and motor efficiency)

Because so many people thought it was worth it for 100/mo in the first place…

For me, FSD is only worth it on long road trips. Like when we do NY to Florida every few years. I'm willing to pay for that one month use. Otherwise, I don't need it.

Does this mean my 2019 M3 with FSD purchased at time of purchase will be worth more?

He’s said this for 10 years

Happens to me depending on setting: Chill: right lane preferred Standard: second from right preferred Hurry: hang in left lane (except to pass on right)

They already did this experiment in the UK and the results are what one would expect.

Elon will probably fork RoboTaxi as leased vehicles to a subcompany with subscriptions to Tesla. It's probably the smarter thing to do for insurance purposes.

What about AP on older vehicles ?

People will do phone calls regardless of FSD, so then it is a matter of whether you will use it to sleep. That maybe works for long trips but for just regular going back and forth to work, I don't see people employing this. Anyhow, it's awful that everything is going to subscription. I am sure Tesla will bring it to heated and cooling seats etc... soon. Lord, I hope that some company comes along and stops this. However, I expect that they will do the exact opposite and embrace it.

I haven’t seen anyone actually explain the difference in TACC and Autopilot. Is TACC just a new name to avoid lawsuits? Or are they actually removing functionality?

I wish they offered a day pass. I don’t commute much so it’s not worth paying monthly.

I recently moved from a Model S to a Polestar and my wife has a Volkswagon and I literally cannot tell teh difference in the autopilot functionality of the 3. There are little quirks and they activate differently and stuff, but none of the 3 feels more capable than the others to me.

Imagine someone finally saving up for a new Tesla and it not having basic feature like auto pilot? Why bother going with Tesla at that point?

Is there actually any model that could drive as well as Tesla FSD on US roads? I would love to see some videos of it. Tesla FSD is in China, there should be tons of head to head videos at this point, showing the capabilities of both. For example, BYD is in Colombia, I go there often, but have never seen anyone talk about the self driving capability. Even when I ask a BYD owner about it, they have no idea what I’m talking about.

If you’re dreaming big and waving your hands around over there, Elon, could we take a second to talk about how cool it would be to have windshield wipers that actually work in the rain?

Well that will destroy the already lackluster take-rate for FSD, most likely. I sub now, but will absolutely drop it when it increases, irrespective of what the car's autonomy level is. Would save it for any long road trips only, which I do perhaps once every 2-3 years.

Guess ill eventually be cancelling.

Carmax currently offers $2,000 for FSD while it's still purchasable, so I don't think that's true.

I was taking about the car in general to be honest not the autopilot specifically. Should have been a bit clearer 🤦‍♂️

Oh, i got you. Im still not sure I agree that there aren't some competitors that are on the same level, but thats a lot more subjective and a fair argument you can make.

If Elon also spits in your mouth would you be willing to pay $75?

Yes you’re right it is - like an apple vs Samsung type of argument really.

only if i can resell it for 10000% markup

I doubt the police will allow that

Looks like it is for me! Hurray for advanced autopilot!

I’ll tell you right now the price id pay for a robot is not very high. I’d need it to do a lot but I’m not gonna pay several thousand for it.

This is the greed the bible talks about hahaha

FSD will eventually be free. In a hyper-competitive market and a world aiming for zero traffic, it’s the only logical path. For now? Let the beta testers fund the future. 😉

Fast forward 5-6 yrs., what's the big deal? Just dont use it then. Tesla developed the tech, which is better than anyone right now, they can charge whatever they want. Us consumers can decide how we spend our money. I was very early adopter so yea it's obnoxious now, but when all those who bought FSD outright need new cars, it's nice that I can unsubscribe when I don't need.

I have EAP and they offer a discount to $49 a month to upgrade now.

Unsupervised fsd is the holy grail of road travel. That has the power to change lives.

I thought we were going to be rich and everything would be essentially free, what’s this shit then.

Ok but when is unsupervised coming

I stopped using Autosteer because my Tesla would panic every time the lane widened near a freeway on‑ramp. It was frustrating, especially since my Civic handles that exact spot without any issues There’s no way Im paying that to unlock that feature and I don’t really care about FSD yet.

Trillionaire doesn't have enough money as is, let's take it from the bottom as usual. Just another reason I'll only buy used Teslas from non-Tesla stealerships...then he has to pay for my updates and warranty repairs.

We are *years* away from you being legally allowed to use your phone or sleep or whatever in your own personal vehicle, if it *ever* happens at all. Tesla or some other third party would have to take responsibility for anything that happens, and they're not planning on doing that on personal vehicles, especially if it's going to cut into their Robotaxi business model and revenue stream. This is just another boneheaded decision coupled with smoke and mirrors in hopes of increasing short-term revenue. But at this point, why wouldn't you just buy a cheaper vehicle that comes with lane keeping for free or cheap, especially if you're not going to use FSD much or at all anyway?

Elon is full of shit about his beliefs if the price of FSD keeps going up (he is full of shit)

I really hate the idea of buying a $40,000+ car and then still having to pay the company $99 dollars a month, I guess they’re sales are slowing so they need to make money somehow but this just rubs me the wrong way.

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FSD isn't tied to the car, or to the account. It's tied to the account on that car. Selling a Tesla doesn't transfer FSD, and you can't keep your FSD when buying a new Tesla; unless they are doing a special to transfer ownership which with this news I doubt we will ever see again.

But youd have to keep renewing the registration there in Canada and cant get a US license plate right?

That's true if you sell back to Tesla, not a third party sell. Otherwise why did my second Tesla I bought used come with EAP? Tesla has been preparing for this and removed EAP and FSD from their fleet of used vehicles on their site, but can't do that to ones at a third-party dealer as Tesla doesn't own those. And, I've said it many times if FSD transfer, or purchase outright doesn't come back I'm not buying another Tesla. I refuse to be stuck in a $100+/mo purchase for rented software that should be part of the vehicle.

My Kia Rio can steer itself and has stop and go, base trim, and is so much simpler to enable than base autopilot which I’ve also used many times.

Lane keep is only for drifting. It doesn’t keep you centered in the lane.

Ok, so does that mean in Australia the HW3 cars paying for FSD and just literally getting EAP can have a discount then? For anyone unaware, HW3 was used up until March 2024 for cars sold in Australia too, so it's not like we're all here driving really old cars. Most are still in warranty and everything.

My bad, I will fix that

If they allowed transfer, it might be worth it. Tesla has a lead, but the competition will catch up. Every automotive manufacturer will have this in a few years, and self-driving solutions like comma ai will allow you to retrofit older vehicles.. Most modern cars today will be able to retrofit this in a few years, and if not outright unsupervised, then in a very competent supervised state. Everything Tesla is doing right now feels like short-term targets for that payout. It's a bad look because people who have been using it have been giving them free data to improve it while also beta testing it, and now they're going to be asked to pay more. That's the world we live in.

When will you offer Hardware Upgrades for those who have purchased FSD?

How many people will be unalived by the $99 service they paid for before the price increases?

Does this not actually lower the level of safety for the average Tesla vehicle?

Also…pretty much any other EV manufacturer these days.

>The massive value jump is when you can be on your phone or sleeping for the entire ride. This sounds like incremental such as a 5-10$ rise per year if anything changes and end price point for when, as he says, you can literally sleep. I will also argue that if he every claims you can use FSD completely unsupervised AND you actively pay for the service, that they will be held accountable if it fails in anyway. If FSD becomes unsupervised, there should never be a reason for FSD to switch off.

Easier to engage? You push one button in the Tesla. How much easier can it get lol!

I want to see it get to the level he is talking about first. He's been promising this for a really long time frame. My wife has a brand new Tesla Model Y and I we have been very impressed with the self driving but it's no where near, fall asleep and take a nap.

Also one button that is actually clear about what it does, instantly enables.

I don't understand why you are in the Tesla subreddit trying to gaslight about the amazing tech inside of a Kia Rio. They stopped making it in 2023 and the "autopilot" tech isn't as good. If it works for you, great, but if you were offered a brand new model 3 with autopilot today, you would be lying to yourself if you choose the Rio lol.

If.i won't $99 for it, I won't pay more, screwy logic

Keyword ‘currently’. I would say no market for old teslas with old hardware with FSD in the future.

HW4 is officially old next year, so idk. AI5 is rumored to be releasing in the middle of the year next year. And, they plan to make new releases as often as possible. The used market is usually the best place to purchase a Tesla, especially since they drop value like crazy in the first year.

I don't give a single fraction of a care about FSD until it's unsupervised. I love my tesla, but holy hell are the marketing claims around FSD absurd. The fact it's going to be a service once they finally actually get it to work is also absurd.

Good thing HW3 capabilities aren’t improving lol

So HW3 keep the $99 price tag?

Well he said the value comes from unsupervised, so if they don't raise the price we have a decade or two at this price before the value goes up. 14.2.x added weird hesitations that 13.2.9 didn't have. Unsupervised is so far away. The other manufacturers will have caught up and they'll have good EVs too. Tesla is betting on its tech too much, it's too slow.

I mean yes... If the car is 100% full autonomous and I can take a nap in the back seat while it's driving me to work it's likely worth more money.

Tesla lost all cool factor when Elon got involved in politics. Dumb short sighted move. Maybe if Trump was younger & could do 2 terms & you’d be on his good side for 8 years. 4 years isn’t enough to destroy your brand for…but yeah there were other reasons that are psychological & Elon fell into that trap… He nuked the brand with 18-35. Older demo mostly doesn’t like electric cars even if they are more likely to like his politics. Net negative dumb move - he’d have to get a ton of regulatory wins for Tesla to make it make any sense at all.

Paid beta testing essentially

Get out of my echochamber!

https://www.lemonade.com/investor/news/lemonade-unveils-autonomous-car-insurance-slashing-rates-for-tesla-fsd-miles-by-50 They are going to tie it in with an insurance product. It will be less overall IMO. They don't want to deal with Jimmy from State Farm.

Open the US market to chinese EV’s and watch Elon have a sudden change of heart. It’s BS to keep them out of a “free market”

Big same. I bought it for December because I was planning on doing a TON of driving and I loved it. It's off now

Who is buying Teslas these days?! I love my 2021 model 3, and it's still going strong, but I won't be buying another one unless Musk goes

Right? AP was THE selling point for me in 2021

Apparently still there, but I legitimately feel it got worse this month

When they gave us free FSD for a month, after trying it, I turned it off. Autopilot suits my drive much better. (80% on same freeway during rush hour). At this point, my next car will likely not be Tesla. But if it was, I wound rather buy comma.ai aftermarket unit then pay $100 per month.

Pushing a single button on a steering wheel is hard now?

Still not paying

Several states have been critical recently, especially California, of the term “Autopilot”.

How is that going to work with cybercabs? Your car is bricked if you stop paying?

I agree my palisade has some pretty good tech. Automatic braking, lane keep assist, cruise control is awesome. It’s surprisingly well done. I’ll throw a muskism and say by end of the year I’ll be sleeping while driving in my car. And, if you believe this you are nuts.

Elon keeps saying FSD will get more expensive. No tech in life keeps getting more expensive. Every tech gets cheaper, this is just a play to make people think they need to get it now. FSD went up, and now it’s $99 a month. That’s cheaper than buying it for sure. It might get more expensive in the short term, but eventually it will be free.

We should support made in US

Yeah but made in the US isn't supporting Americans unfortunately. China even got the Tesla YL, while they squeeze Americans into a 7 seater Y that even Elon can't get in. (I'm an Elon fan btw, just making a point). American companies are really price gouging with crazy profits, from food to insurance and everything else.

Elon youre taking a huge gamble unsupervised? Sleep while car drives ?? You do know human behavior is unpredictable right? Not sure if this is a good idea to be honest.

Sure, but I don't think Australia is indicative of any problems for Tesla. Even the BYD sales are down significantly for 2025. Let's revisit this in a few years to see how things shake out.

That new Nvidia + Mercedes system looked quite good.

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Yeah I probably won't be getting another Tesla.

I disagree but each the own. Neither of us is wrong just different opinions..

100% agree 😁

Where did you hear BYD sales down? https://zecar.com/reviews/australia-ev-sales-2025-complete-year-review All the sales data shows very significant growth for Kia and Chinese brands like BYD. And Tesla sales are in rapid decline ; how is that not a problem when competition is rolling out new models every few months, while Tesla has nothing new coming. The Ute/Pickup market is very important and the Cybertruck is dead on arrival.

I chose the highland over the byd solely because it had better autopilot included. Without it, it would have definitely been the byd.

Can anyone provide a source on what or where this extra $100 on top of the FSD is coming from? Yes we all saw the tweets saying that it would increase eventually but are people just pulling the price out of their asses or what it could very well be an extra $100. Hell it could even be an extra 200 where is the source?

Lol. Good luck with anyone using it

It's not worth $100 a month as is. Until it is able to get me an insurance deduction of $80+ compared to what I'm paying now it won't be worth it. My comment is for a typical driver, not every possible use case. The news with Lemonade Insurance has me hopeful!

Yeah that’s a no from me

If the end result is that I have to be in the seat for either….. are we really any closer to FSD?

Typical Kia owner, par for the course. Probably has shark fin vortex diffusers on the back, tinted windows, and tries to blow past you in the right turn lane when stopped at a red light but gets left in the dust every time.

Will move on to Lucid or Volvo at that point.

I think they should have gone the other way - include Autopilot on all vehicles, bake it into the base price and people can use it or not. I strongly prefer not to have monthly fees tied to my car and love the new Luxe package on the S/X for that reason.

And Tesla repair costs are high due to lack of spare parts and aluminum frame. Thus making insurance high. And their shitty way of telling customers that every issue is not covered under warranty because it is wear and tear. Maybe they could use some of the trillion $ compensation package for Elon to make more spare parts and cover normal warranty issues.

Tesla needs 10 million subscribers in order to give Elon a bigger compensation package. Stop being selfish and subscribe to help.

If you just buy some TSLA stock now you will offset / hedge your FSD

He can increase to $999 a month and I still wouldn’t subscribe that piece of junk software

He’s been promising FSD for years and hasn’t delivered….

In other words, don't expect any extra value like your OS on your Mac, your iPhone and on many other things you own. You will pay the maximum Leon thinks he can get out of you. Of course, he will never see what hit him when the Chinese finally arrive here with "included" self driving. But, quick, buy now!

Sorry Elon i'm not buying.

Hopefully there is strong backlash and they get people cancelling.

Anywhere. Let's use your own source. BYD seal, similar to Model 3 is down over 40%. Model 3 down over 60%. BYD sealion sales looks impressive because it's brand new, but even then, it was unable to overtake Model Y, which not only remained #1, but also gained 4.6%. in fact, despite being introduced near the beginning of the year, its sales were only 60% of Model Y's. It's also cheaper too. And despite having more power and a longer wheelbase, its acceleration performance is worse and cargo space a lot less. Bottom line: nothing yet indicates Tesla is no longer competitive. Let's revisit in a few years.

I’m sure there are hacks already available to make it free and unlimited?

Yeah, I couldn't handle it. Turned it off once I figured out that I couldn't stop it from randomly changing lanes for no good reason.

There is nothing a car could do that would cause me to sign up for a $99 a month subscription.

Dumbfounded that they haven't just included FSD with all Tesla's with no monthly fee. Otherwise a tiny percentage of customers are going to bother with it. That would give a reason to choose Tesla over others which is something that they have been struggling with.

Yeah the problem is the Toyota Corolla includes it for free. Tesla is now one rung below the Corolla in terms of feature set. That is a huge problem.

Lop a zero off that. I have a 3, with hw4… I’d pay max $5/month. Honestly though, I’ve had 3 or 4 free trials and I never used it other than to try it out a few times. Thought it sucked and was to dangerous to use for anything other then trips on a highway.. in good weather… with not a lot of traffic.

I could be wrong, but I thought the price was already $100 per month and they were just taking away the option to buy it outright meaning if you want it it’s $100 unless you already have it. Which is a good reason to keep my car longer rather than upgrading next year and pay me extra monthly subscription cost.

It wouldn't use it if Elon was paying me $99/month.

I mean if it gets to the point where you really don’t need to pay attention anymore, it would be a huge value for many people. I still think that’s way to much. 1200$ per year or $12000 for a typical car life of 10 years is way more than it was when buying it right out without any subscription before.

There is no way it’s not standard on all cars in 10 years in my opinion. When no one charges for it, I don’t think Tesla could.

Make FSD $30-40 / month and watch him hit that 10 Million users mark in a single week.

You will own nothing and like it!

Not surprised. At some point we won't own anything anymore.

Same marketing crap again when they kept raising FSD one time prices saying free supercharging will never come again. When they are desperate they will change it again at any time.

Wait, so the autonomous driving dream was only for the top elites/wealthy?

This … FSD aggravated me because I had to actually be even more alert and on the ready because I could never fully trust the system around town. In addition it was way too sensitive to where you were looking, so it disconnected way more than was acceptable. Autopilot was all I ever really needed or wanted. Lane keeping auto-steer with traffic aware cruise control is all you really need unless you have a very specific use case and even then you really can’t do what you want because it’s still “supervised.” Around town I’d blend autopilot in with manual controls depending on the stretch or road I’m on. Using FSD my hands maintained a 2 inch hover over the steering wheel waiting for the moment I needed to jump in. That’s not autonomous driving for me. To be fair, I’ve only ever used it on HW3 so I don’t have first hand experience with HW4 to compare it to, but as long as it still says “supervised” it’s basically a beta product and why should we be “forced” to buy a beta product when the previously bundled product (autopilot) worked well enough. Btw … I don’t think I used Autopilot when it was constrained to only 5 miles over speed limit. When did that happen? I believe I could always just set it to speed and that’s what it would do. Been a while so maybe I’m remembering it wrong or just never really noticed?

Great… I knew this was a matter of time. Just watch! Once that happens, people will bail from using FSD! Musk is falling back on Corporate Greed 101!

Really enjoying my Comma 3X!

At $99 at month it’s more expensive than Ubers/taxis for me. Also with taxis I can sleep, use my phone etc. FSD is probably only worth about $10 a month for me. Wonder what the FSD development coats are. Also the name FSD is highly misleading. FSD would need to be certified for level 5 automation for that. Should be SAD , supervised assisted driving.

We have an hw3 and an hw4 vehicle. On the HW4 vehicle, FSD is preferred on highways by both my wife and I... It's that much better.

They would love this. They really want to sunset and stop supporting the old software stack.... I imagine there's some new version of AP around the corner based on the FSD stack but who knows when that would actually come (if ever allowed to see the light of day).

I'd pay if it was truly autonomous.

Remember when technology used to get cheaper and better every year?

From my pricing experience as a PM: companies typically find the ceiling. The highest price that retains enough customers to maintain revenue despite attrition. Tesla might adjust down slightly or offer concessions (like do annual and save X percent). I do feel like the increase is justified by the new value delivered but def curious to see what that will be exactly.

Also he spews bullshit all the time.

Yes. Also, his pay package is stock only - there is no cash cost to Tesla. It's insane how many people think Tesla is literally handing Elon cash when they hear "$X-billion pay package".

I tried FSD twice for free 30 days and found that it made me extremely nervous in city driving with so many other cars doing so many unpredictable things.

I'd pay $20k for a robot with the claimed capabilities, easily. It immediately replaces a home cleaner ($5k/yr) and many many restaurant meals. The ROI is probably 2 years or less. The risk with robot is not market, it's whether they can actually deliver one with the claimed capabilities (a lot like FSD).

F no…

I should mention that he said this exact same thing years ago with FSD, that buyers getting in now were getting a bargain on a future robo-taxi. How Tesla hasn't been slapped with the mother of all class action lawsuits I have no idea

seriously. us ev market is so weak that moves like this can be pulled. i just canceled my FSD subscription. i did like it and i think maximizing the number of people who can use FSD effectively makes us all safer on the road. sad..

Just sounds like a grift…trying to convince you to pay for something that may exist in the future…

Lane keeping assistance is mandatory on europe, Tesla just can't remove autopilot there.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of this.

I have an order of a M3 in EU, and here we still have an option to purchase EAP or FSD as a single-time purchase. Allowing of FSD in EU is unsure though, with some possible green (or red) light on February. And now I wonder, if I shall add the EAP or even FSD as a one-time purchase to this order? Original plan was, and mostly still is, to go with the regular AP and take the subscription, once and if the FSD gets allowed here.

What a farce. Tesla drivers love being fleeced for all they have.

I can pay to die in my sleep? Cool.

Always thought the same. Basically a little under the price of monthly home internet service (where I am) feels right. Twice that, no chance, but I don't have a long commute or anything like some FSD users.

>Drives like a real person at stop signs too The main two problems I had it with it were being overly cautious at roundabouts and yellow lights i.e. not like a real person. Yellow lights in particular could be dangerous if it decides to suddenly brake and the person behind you assumes you will be going through just fine. The person behind would be liable of course if there was a collision, but that's not my main concern.

It is difficult to imagine ever risking my life or long-term health based on Elon Musk's assurances. At the bare minimum I would need to see years of other people doing so first.

Why not? Even just for autosteer, if you are in any kind of traffic where you are not changing lanes for a bit and your speed is based entirely on how fast the car in front of you is going, why not click the button?

FSD in its current form is excellent….blows the competition away. But will never be a high % subscription at those prices, let alone higher. What Tesla does not understand is others are in the market with solutions that work for highway driving……which is what most people want/need. These alternates will drive prices down for FSD like experiences. Taking lane keep (autopilot) out of a 50K+ car is stupid……there is more to the story related to ongoing autopilot litigation and the fact it is not running on the FSD code. I suspect a basic “free” variant of FSD will replace it moving forward…maybe included in a slightly more expensive connectivity package which includes standard lane keep/centering capabilities, maybe autopark. Would be foolish for them to loose their technology lead as Rivian and others are positioning.

Should also include premium data.

Who effing cares. Don’t buy a Tesla. I’m embarrassed to drive one but the resale value is shit, so here we are. There’s so many other options.

I’d only take it if the price includes insurance with 100% coverage.

If they let current FSD subscribers lock in their rate prior to increase that would be a good move

Won't happen. FSD is fundamentally incapable of L4/5 autonomy. I'll believe it when Tesla accepts liability for any accidents.

Tesla is not the only game in town anymore. They need to attract customers, not manipulate them. Between this and, predominantly, musks foray into politics/government there is no way I buy another Tesla when I am through with what I have.

I don’t care about FSD. It’s the removal of auto pilot I don’t understand. Tesla’s now are worse than pretty much any car brand out there without a subscription. Baffles the mind.

Currently it's 8k for FSD outright, or $1.2k a year paid monthly. With the recent removal of AP and the 2/14 date, I'm expecting they will get rid of the 8k FSD option and only allow subscription, which will obviously increase, and can continuously change because it's not locked into a 1-year+ contact at a rate.

Buying a Tesla is high risk for anyone who is financially responsible or values a predictable budget.

Not me. My 22 MYLR will be my last Tesla, and it doesn't look like I'm missing much.

Snake oil salesman.

Then I will cancel. They should grandfather the pricing.

I was thinking the same thing until I realized that I take road trips every month, so what’s the point in getting rid of it?

He can go F himself. No intention of delivering a good product, S/X is dead & soon they’ll be out of the car business.

If it was $20-25 per month I'd subscribe to it consistently. $99? That's just a bit much.

In Europe this is already happening. Chinese EVs are pressuring Tesla so much that in some countries they've had to start doing zero-interest financing plans for the first few years to move inventory, which is beyond crazy in these markets since that's easily a €15-20.000 loss for Tesla. At this point it's not just pricing, though. Much of Tesla's software and tech performs so poorly on European roads that serious Chinese competitors like BYD offer a better driving experience and higher quality vehicles. Teslas consistently top the charts for the highest share of defective vehicles and quality issues. At some point aggressive financing plans will stop working and Tesla will either have to address their quality issues or get completely eradicated by their Chinese competition.

Wish it would happen here, but with current tariffs, it likely won't. Unless those companies opened up manufacturing in the US.

That would be great but that’s very low. $99 is ok for the occasional road trip. $40-50 would be a sustainable number to pay without cancellation.

Why does it matter if it's low? The software is already built and the more data Tesla has, the better it will become. Unless it streams processing data from one of the data centers once you recoup the cost of development it's basically 100% pure profit. Do they want 5 million subscribers at $100 or 20 million at $20. Add a bump in insurance savings for supervised FSD and you've got yourself a stew going

I second this observation (HW3)

Have you ever used Chinese software? Even DJI one of their best companies has a garbage app.

Yea not going to pay more than $100 lmao. Yall can dream all you want. I will just jailbreak the car