Tesla Announces FSD Transfers Are Ending

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Well then they better be upgrading my current car to drive me around while I sleeps. Jfc.

Too bad I am never buying FSD ever again. Two Tesla's with FSD and broken promises for the last 6-7 years. Yes that's about $20,000 not well spent.

That won't come till they release robotaxis operations to owners. Which is never.

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What a scam

i think they figured that out by now

Sweet, I'm going to be holding onto this 2017 Model S for a WHILE

Yeah seriously. Let this be a warning to anyone thinking about purchasing FSD or even subscribing

That's bullshit.

Nope. I like to own what I buy or pay for.

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This isn’t the first time they’ve done this. They generally announce something like this when they want to boost quarterly sales numbers.

Now I'm torn on if I pay the $2K to upgrade EAP to FSD on my 2018 Model 3, then buy a new Model Y and transfer FSD to it.

They definitely reserve the right to change their minds. Remember when they first offered FSD, Elon said it would be a one and only time opportunity and you could not transfer again. Well, yeah. They not only offered it again, it has been available each quarter since and you can transfer again if you transferred before.

I feel like I should sue. Never delivered. Pretty much admitted at this point HW3 doesn’t have the oomph to do what was promised. And now a way to bring it to my next vehicle is being taken away. Just one slap in the face after another for a company I believed in and supported.

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Not worth getting a new one and transferring?

Please sue and tell us how it goes.

That’s what I’m doing. Our 2018 3 is in the service center right now getting the HW3 upgrade. Picked it up exactly 8 years ago today. We’ve had that car for long enough.

Not worth rewarding Tesla for their ineptitude and misleading claims?

I bet they see the new patent working out to bring good enough FSD to HW3.

I mean there’s a pretty big financial cost tied to a new Model S…

ITT: People going *Suprised Pikachu* after KNOWINGLY buying an unfinished product. Y'all are hilarious. Please don't ever change.

Was the hardware upgrade free after you paid for FSD? My understanding is it's supposed to be, but I just saw someone post in TeslaLounge last week that the service center was trying to charge them $2K for the hardware upgrade in addition to the $2K they paid for FSD software update.

They should of honored the OG’s

Some poor souls paid 15k

Subscribing is still worth it for a lot of use cases. On long road trips it's a LOT more relaxing than manually driving any vehicle.

While I agree, I would never have paid full price anyway. The subscription model is way better price wise for the customer.

Hi

The abundance of crying when hw5 vehicles start releasing is going to be hilarious

Guessing they are not going to allow transfers anymore going forward becuase of dropping the option to buy full price.

I’m not going to impulse buy a Tesla just to transfer FSD to hardware that will be deprecated in one to two years.

Subscribe is the only way to do it. Full cost was way too high.

I announce that my willingness to buy a Tesla is ended on November 5, 2024.

yeah but since they are ending with selling FSD, it’s reasonable to assume it won’t ever return.

Why are you even replying lol I was asking the guy who actually has the car

I think this is referring to the transfer window that has started in April last year, so it's going to end after the almost 1 year window. It does not mean there will not be occasional promotion window open again that allows transfer to new car purchase. Although it may be more rare and shorter windows than before.

The subscription hasn't always existed.

I cant live without FSD after doing a few of the trials, my commute to work is under 10 minutes and I still miss it. Might have to bite the bullet and subscribe, such a quality of life update, I dont think Ill ever care to drive again.

This is... not a Tesla announcement, but a wild-assed guess on the part of "not a Tesla app" writers. They are assuming that because Tesla is saying "as long as you order by" and not "take delivery by" suddenly that means no more FSD transfer deals, ever. Complete horseshit. How about the fact that Tesla sales have slowed because of the lack of Federal incentives, so they are doing all they can to accomifate new sales? That is more likely. And anytime Tesla will want to boost sales to existing owners, FSD transfer will likely come up... At least for the next 15 years. Because if you give it a thought, a third party battery replacement is about the price of FSD. Do they want me to keep driving my 2024 well into the 2040's? Not likely. But try to take that FSD packagd trade-in away, and they will see some high milage long life Tesla on the road.

It will come back. This is a sales lever.

lol right? Seems like class action material

Highly doubt this is the last time because letting a customer transfer FSD to a new car is a big sales incentive and also means they have 1 less HW3 car to worry about upgrading. They’re just deploying FOMO to boost sales numbers for the quarter.

Caught wind of that, seems interesting. Mad they didn’t design the computers and cameras to be capable of drop in replacement so older models could hang in there. :/

Exactly. When they need that extra push to deliver more vehicles at the end of the quarter they will sweeten the deal with FSD transfer.

Me too. It's too bad FSD sucks on the older Model S's. I've driven some of my friend's Model 3s and Ys and the experience is so much better.

I dunno. Who says they won’t increase the monthly price once the tech gets better?

Yes, included in the $2k upgrade price from EAP.

https://preview.redd.it/5wuwz7xztjeg1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a301fa9fcc59dae3c531321f8867dfbd260f7cf

So not an announcement from the company. I assumed they would honor transfers until a year or so after they actually deliver a working product. That said, I'm addicted to FSD(supervised), I use it every single time I drive, which I get puts me in the minority. I just transferred it to a new Y, I'll be happy driving it into the ground.

Can you (or have you ever been able to) transfer FSD from your current vehicle to a pre-owned purchase directly from Tesla? Purchased my 2021 M3P pre-owned from Tesla a few years back and it came with FSD included. Would love to upgrade to a Model S but can't really justify a brand new one...

For sure, brother!

Well the thing you bought, full self driving, hasn't been provided to you yet unfortunately

I plan to hold onto my 2018 HW3 model 3 past this year, but I'm debating if the $2k battery warranty extension is worth it.

There will be transfers in December.

Then it’s time to retrofit my 2019 Model 3

I paid $2k for both right when they had the price drop for early beta FSD. It makes a world of difference just for the processing power of the visualizations.

What's this new patent?

I am in your exact same position. Just purchased a new Model Y and am transferring the FSD off my '17 Model S and calling it a wrap on that vehicle. Still has unlimited free supercharging though. It will be a big shame to lose that.

https://x.com/tslaming/status/2012390276208447805?s=46 > "BIT-AUGMENTED ARITHMETIC CONVOLUTION" that essentially allows Tesla to push future-generation AI models onto current-generation silicon. I just watched this video that explains it. https://youtu.be/5_0Es6ZUMbs?si=F-DVu5IhlkHL9Bcq

On the other hand, they don't really need to worry (as far as I've seen in here.) People that like FSD will likely fork up the money for the sub instead. It's somewhat limited how much longer the hardware 2.5 is in circulation, and if we assume the HW3.0 has a shorter lifecycle, they will all be on legacy software within 3 years or so.

I have a feeling the transfers will end completely with HW5. This might be it, but still could be a demand lever. I might have considered if we still had the $7500 tax credit, but Elon supporting Trump did so much damage to Tesla and EV's in general. Piss off your main customer base, and help erode incentives to sell vehicles.

that’s why I am buying now. Either upgrade my car or I am going to sue.

I’m the OP of the thread you’re referring to. After going back and forth with the service center they dropped the estimate to $0. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/s/1aNRPAIPXG

I agree with you but can you list other cars thats comparable in terms of fsd? I tried other competitive brands but they all suck.

The transfer window ending is a sales technique. The purchase of fsd is because California law requires it because it’s considered fraudulent/false advertising. No overlap between the two scenarios so no reason to believe it won’t be back next time Tesla wants to juice the numbers.

Except for the arbitration clause in the terms

If I were going to buy new it'd be a Y at this point, but it doesn't make good financial sense for me right now. S handles our needs perfectly well.

Oh man, I didn't get the supercharging for life :/ Would've loved to have gotten it on this one!

i have my car for 5 years now and 80k miles. 199$ a month for 60 months is 11940$ why do you say subscription is better?

Oh no, really?? I figured it wouldn't be as good as the new stuff just by swapping out the MCU, but that's sad to hear it sucks.

so because of Californian law, they stopped selling it in Europe? Also, if they stopped selling FSD, option to transfer it will affect less and less people, so it won’t entice as many people as it used to. So it won’t be very effective sales technique soon.

That's interesting to hear. I have a 2019 Model 3 with HW3 as well as the 2018 with EAP and HW2.5, and honestly I don't notice a difference with the screen visualizations.

Thanks!! And glad to hear you got it sorted.

Great, thanks. And the user who posted about the issue on r/TeslaLounge just commented here to tell me they got the pricing issue resolved and it is indeed $0 for them, too.

Personally, I would not.

Where are you wanting to FSD? In-city or just for road trips?

pretty much both. I need the car to take away some manual driving part on my side since I have a long commute. I tried Chevy's Super Cruise and that's only good where the map is available and only highways..

This will all change so much over the next 5-10 years.

Interesting. Thank you.

Indeed, all of the people pissing on HW3 owners who were sold a false bill of goods, faked product demos and so on will be the first to shed an ocean of tears when they get aged out too.

Yes, the one that says “You may opt out of arbitration within 30 days of signing this Agreement”

Company policy changed globally, yeah. European regulators opened up investigations too so the writing was on the wall.

FSD was never released in Europe and, if legislation doesn’t change, likely never will be. So from that standpoint, it also makes sense to back away from that before they also claim false advertising.

It will return anytime they want it to

It’ll be back. They will use this again to get the hold outs that keep cars closer to 8-10 years before purchasing again. There are a TON of cars without HW4 so it’s only in their interest to offer it again.

I could see this happening. Hopefully if it does, people will speak by cancelling the service or not subbing.

Where is the class action for this, btw? Surprised no one has been made whole yet

No idea, I only subscribe

I’m not forking over the money for another Tesla + FSD if I never got what I originally paid for.

It’s probably coming. They can only kick the can down the road so long.

It’s slightly different this time. They used to say you had to take deliver by the end of the quarter. That would add to the sales of that quarter. But this time, you just need to order and possibly take delivery in April.

how ur suspension

I did that for my ‘23 MYLR and never looked back. Just holding onto it now for the eventual upgrade to whatever a new Model Y looks like.

They end things all the time until sales are lousy and then those things return to get cars moving. Most existing FSD owners aren’t going to run to go buy a new car if it means adding an extra $99/month forever for a feature they already have, and at some point they’ll have to convince those owners to be repeat customers. They’ve brought it back before so there’s zero reason they can’t bring it back again. This is just a sales tactic to get some people to get FOMO.

That's a completely reasonable standpoint. All I'm saying is that any software solution that's a one time purchase is bound to disappoint.

You’re likely under an arbitration agreement by now unless you opted out right after purchase

Because he's not the only person in this subreddit who owns a Tesla.

*should have

Fuckin A.

Why is this getting downvoted? It’s 100% true.

Hopefully, is because the FSD is ready.

Here I am sitting on a single camera p90d that does everything I need…

As akways with them… declare victory, take away options, never deliver. Still waiting on my fully prepaid FSD on my 2020MX.


It's not looking good for tesla.

Elon’s comp is tied to subscriptions, I don’t see them bringing this back

I'll assume that the announcement that they're going to upgrade people with HW3 who bought FSD is also coming soon.

So as of now FSD is able to be transferred between newly purchased Tesla vehicles? I didn’t know this. Might be worth buying after all

More lame mind games from Tesla. They're pulling any and every lever in a desperate attempt to create a sense of urgency to buy a vehicle from their aging fleet.

Until, in a few months, when Tesla needs cash and they suddenly announce a "limited window" to purchase FSD outright for $Xk, and a "limited window" for existing FSD owners to transfer it a new vehicle (when they desperately need to move some cars near end of quarter).

While I agree it does not look good for FSD transfer program to return, something will likely need to be done for current AI3 fleet with purchased FSD, if they are not capable when unsupervised is eventually released. I suspect one of Teslas actuaries will review the cost of bringing back FSD transfers vs cost to retrofit to AI5 or AI4.5 vs law suits if these cars are never capable of FSD. Maybe they’ll offer some sort of buy out, or subscription credit instead of transfer… Removing the ability to purchase FSD solves these issues in the future, but not the outlook for AI3 vehicles with FSD. While I probably wouldn’t bite on it, wonder if they’ll offer something like lifetime free super charging if you upgrade a vehicle with FSD.

There are just bugs that the new models have had fixed that still persist on the older Model S. The most annoying one is, when you are on the highway, the car signals to switch lanes, starts to switch, abandons switching but keeps the signal on, and then just kind of sits there on the lane marker line not taking action.

They'll probably bring that back too. Tesla isn't known for sticking to anything

Hopefully you can get some of that money back if the class action suit is successful

I know there's a lot of controversy around the MobilEye AP1, but it always did the basics really well.

If I cannot transfer the expensive unfinished software package I bought from a manufacturer to a new car I will simply not buy another car from that manufacturer.  There will be other options to consider by the time I need a replacement so it's their call if they want to play stupid games.

It's 99 month.

As always, turo will turn this off and on according to its marketing goals.

That’s fine. They would rather pay the class action cost then I guess. This company went from being very customer centric, to basically being one that is only concerned about its bottom line. It’s really kind of sad how many of their core clientele they have alienated.

That's a relative thing... For instance, my investments dropped $22K today because Trum can't keep his yap shut about Greenland. What's $8K compared to that, considering that I will at least GET something for that $8K.

1) Subscription is currently $99 USD per month at the moment so that would be $5940 total. 2) If you buy it today and have an accident tomorrow that totals the car, you're out of luck.  If you have a subscription you can transfer it to a different car, or at worst let your month subscription run out and only be out less than $100.


Bought it outright in early 2023, 3 years later my current subscription-equivalent break even point would be $277/mo (what FSD would have to currently cost per month for it to have been worth it). I won't break even (at $99/mo) until summer 2031. The only way it'll have been worth it is if we (the customers that paid up front one-time) somehow end up getting retrofits or one-time transfers in the future. Based on how the company currently treats its customers and shareholders, I'm not holding my breath. And I'm certainly going to be evaluating other EVs seriously, when that time eventually comes.

Well, technically, it was. You could buy it. I do have it. It just isn't active. But it will be one day. At least that's what they said...

It was never released, no. You could just pre-order the “FSD capability” for €7k, and got a stoplight assistant so they’re legally not selling “nothing”, but actual FSD wasn’t ever released, neither Beta nor Supervised.

Observation by Sawyer: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2013101412725518528](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2013101412725518528) >So this is interesting. Tesla is telling U.S. customers that they must place their order by March 31 to qualify for free FSD transfer, but can take delivery later. That’s different from Tesla’s previous policy, which required customers to take delivery by the end of the quarter to lock it in. >This is a potentially stronger signal that Tesla really will end free FSD transfer this quarter. **Otherwise, why wouldn't the company tell people to take delivery by March 31st to boost Q1 deliveries**, historically the weakest sales quarter of the year?

Observation by Sawyer: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2013101412725518528](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2013101412725518528) >So this is interesting. Tesla is telling U.S. customers that they must place their order by March 31 to qualify for free FSD transfer, but can take delivery later. That’s different from Tesla’s previous policy, which required customers to take delivery by the end of the quarter to lock it in. >This is a potentially stronger signal that Tesla really will end free FSD transfer this quarter. **Otherwise, why wouldn't the company tell people to take delivery by March 31st to boost Q1 deliveries**, historically the weakest sales quarter of the year?

Computer is capable of drop in replacement. Just not the one they designed so far due to different power requirements.

Let me transfer my FSD, free supercharging and premium connectivity and you have a deal.

Tesla is sitting on $48 billion in cash and they have almost no debt. They aren’t going to “need” cash anytime soon.

Well thats good, that means in europe that they will have to refund my full fsd purchased in 2019 that was supposed to work after a year…

Good point

Buying FSD is obsolete. Unless they reverse course it’s never coming back.

Yeah that’s some boochit. I did not

Inventory is debt until sold.

Well here we go! Another promise! Ironic timing and all Elon Musk: Your AI4 Tesla Is Ready for Unsupervised FSD >Elon Musk has confirmed that cars equipped with Tesla’s current-generation AI4 hardware will be capable of achieving Full Self-Driving (Unsupervised) without needing any additional hardware upgrades. The clarification came in response to growing speculation online about whether AI4 vehicles might eventually require newer chips to support true autonomy. >The confirmation was brief but unambiguous. After an X user noted that anyone using AI4 today can already see that better hardware isn’t necessary for unsupervised driving, Musk [replied](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2013137702502220165) with a simple “Yup,” effectively settling the debate. The exchange reinforces Tesla’s position that AI4 has sufficient headroom to handle the company’s autonomy ambitions as they transition from supervised to fully unsupervised operation.

I mean, it's less than he promised, but seems to still be more than any other company delivers for the same price, at least that we can buy in US for now. I hear the Chinese are catching up, but we can't buy them here yet.

I would be trading ACTUAL FSD for not-actual FSD, no way, I’ll just protect my car and battery from rust, mold in the vents, collisions, upholstery rips… and Elon gonna make my car drive me on vacation while I sleep

This is caused by the car blinding the old side repeater cameras with the turn signal. If you get Tesla to replace your side repeater cameras with the revision that fixes this issue, it will fix the lane change issues. source: had to go through this

You’re acting like they have tens of millions of inventory. Inventory is overall low right now

> Inventory Historically Tesla has about $10 billion in inventory at reported quarters. It has never reported just in the tens of millions for inventory. Q3 2025 (Sept 30): ~$12.28 billion 2024 (Dec 31): ~$12.02 billion 2023 (Dec 31): ~$13.63 billion 2022 (Dec 31): ~$12.84 billion

No, they don't care. They're not going to upgrade crap. And have no obligation for transfer. So it's gone, I believe them this time. It is Ozzy's final Ozzfest.

Just waiting for the Free super charging to transfer again.....

I wouldnt trust them on their word regarding "delivery can occur after this date and use are still eligible" unless you have more time than sense to become your own customer support agent. This is just one of their dozens of tactics to manipulate buyers into FOMO

lol it will return, tesla pull this card every year to drive sales.

Yup. I have a 2018 model 3 currently on HW3 with only 33k miles on it. They're going to have to replace my computer again or pay me for not delivering true FSD. Im sure the legaleas on the transfer removes any claim for real FSD or compensation for having paid for a product never delivered. On a side note, wonder what happened to all those 50k Tesla roadster deposits and all the promotional roadsters awarded to those who promoted the early model 3. Hmmm.

It’s junk my window wipers are always coming on

They ripped me off once in 2018. Hasn't happened since.

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This is sensational bullshit. You’re literally just parroting what you’ve seen other Redditors say without having spent the time to watch what BYD cars can do. They are _at best_ at FSD 12 levels from 2-3 years ago and the leap from FSD 12 to 14 is massive. I too want to ditch Tesla forever but there is nothing even close on the FSD space let alone a competitor that has “lapped” them. What complete asinine nonsense.

First they have to offer the product. Then it needs to come to all who purchased it.

That is interesting and it appears to be true. I was under the assumption they had low inventory but considering they are the dealer too it makes more sense. That said, the point is, although it may be considered debt. It's not the same kind of debt. Lucky for Tesla, they are in the business of selling the exact item they have 12 billion tied up into.

You can mod your single camera and update it with coma.ai

They need revenue to support the stock price however.

Exactly the same boat - Model 3 and Model S both bought with FSD in 2019. Combined they cost $200k - love the cars, but will never buy another Tesla due to Elon (mainly) and broken promises.

lol good chuckle, but they will make much more money and keep shareholders happy if they sell more cars than FSD.

This is very helpful, I will do that immediately. I'm sure this will fix other small issues too.

I promise you I’ll be getting a full refund in several years when my M3 stops working and FSD is never delivered. It was fun as an add on back in 2018, glad I paid that price than the hallucination that it moved up to.

Arbitration clauses can be set aside by a judge if they determine the company acted in bad faith (like false claims of autonomy).

My guess is it'll return by next Christmas.

They'll probably bring back FSD purchases as an end of quarter incentive.

I mean how many times have they introduced and taken away FSD transfers since you got yours? Like a dozen?

Yes. Love the cars and feel the same. I regret the FSD purchases. I only use autosteer.

I've only owned this one for three years or so, and even then it's been a handful

Great tip! anything else I should be aware of?

Np! I would attach side repeater dashcam footage of FSD getting stuck during the lane changes showing the turn signal blinding it. Night footage works the best. The service center I went to is grossly uneducated about older models. The first few appointments they just took the car for a ride during the day, said there were no issues, and gave it back. I basically had to diagnose the root cause myself. I would not be surprised if they’re instructed to not offer the replacement unless explicitly requested.

Bought my Model Y without FSD because I didn’t have the money at the time. Like tons of owners, I bought the car based on a very clear, long-standing assumption Tesla encouraged: Buy the car now. Buy FSD later if/when it makes sense. Not rent forever. Buy. Own. Done. Now Tesla quietly flips the table: no ownership after Feb 14 — subscription only. That’s not “evolving the product,” that’s a straight rug pull on people who already committed tens of thousands of dollars to the car.

Same here. My dream scenario is that FSD transfer is available when I'm ready and they have HW5 in place.

What a shitty company. Why do people put up with this shit?

Other way around. FSD as subscription is ARR, happy keyword for wall st. Also FSD's profit margin is enormous, whereas vehicle profit margin is now like 10% and shrinking.

Remember they sell FSD in all countries. Arbitration clauses are by default invalid in many (maybe even most) countries.

Just don't buy FSD if you know they're tricking you.

well, that way I would have to buy a new car once HW5 will be released in year and half. I don’t have money to buy a new car every year and half. I believe HW5 will be enough for full self driving.

HW4 isn’t the “killer app” yet though. When it can FSD UNsupervised then we’re talking. Until then I don’t feel the FSD draw to upgrade

if the model YL was available in US, i may consider it

Great way to guarantee my next EV isn’t a Tesla.

Same here. My 3 and X are just going to wait on the upgrade or keep chugging along. It works for us and FSD is paid for on both so I’m in it for the long haul. I have no desire for a new commuter car.

Same

Spoiler: >!It's Not!<

As much as I enjoyed my 2019 Model 3 FSD, my next car will probably be a Rivian. I am tired of Elon’s politics and false promises.

Money is made on subscription services. That’s is not the we trend. It is the trend. Hopefully, the subscription fee per month will come down from $99 interesting more subscribers.

With my 2018 Model 3 battery warranty running out - I just bought a 2026 MYP with FSD transfer (from my 2018). I dont want to own a Tesla battery out of warranty.

Yup. I paid for UNsupervised when I bought my 3, in '18. It only has 45K on it, so I see no reason to replace it. I expect hardware 4 to be installed for free, as well as 5, 6, 7, or whatever the f\* it takes to give me what I paid for but have yet to receive.

One of three reasons I swapped my 2018 model 3 to a new Y was because of FSD transfer, the others were the interest and qualifying for the IRA credit.

What’s the point for HW3 owners, when HW4 will eventually also be outdated & FSD still stays supervised.

Why not wait for the one that can actually do unsupervised FSD? My money is on AI 7 or 8

This guy gets it

I don't understand this take (as in people pissing on HW3), HW4 will get aged out as will HW5, 6, 7, 8, etc. It's a car with fixed hardware, what people think will happen? I have HW4 and I'm moderately confident it'll be able to do unsupervised self driving, but I'm not confident it'll be allowed in Australia before HW6 is out. But by then my car will be 4 years old and I'll get a new car anyways, and likely BYD or something will have FSD too.

What’s the point for HW4 owners, when HW5 will eventually also be outdated & FSD still stays supervised.

Same here

Been there, done that in 2019: Elon: “I’ll say that again: all Tesla cars being produced right now have everything necessary for full self-driving. All you need to do is improve the software.”

TO be honest, I'm keeping my 2021 Tesla with FSD and HW3 to see what happens, but I won't buy another Tesla unless they have something new or renewed in the pipeline (800V is a must). I was a step away from getting a new TMX in September, and when I went to the showroom, they added FSD and upped the price the day before, so I couldn't transfer my FSD anymore. TMX is not worth 100k+ with its finish, ride, quality, and options. I opted for Gravity as my next car, I know they don't have FSD, but its the only car worth the compromise

I feel exactly the same way. If they don't replace HW3 and don't allow transfer, I never buy Tesla again. They have made no significant upgrades to S3XY models. still 400V batteries, same look, same shape, not exciting at all.

Right. I already don't like that they took away the stalks on the newer models. I was all in on the screen controls and clean interior but now I'm thinking I wouldn't mind many of the basic controls going back to physical again. I've had several occasions where I would have vastly preferred having a knob to turn to adjust something quickly without taking my eyes off the road. The voice control can work but it's not perfect.

Can’t wait for it to be feature complete by 2020…

This is the last time for the last time, for sure this time. or maybe next time. or not.

If you own FSD, then it's value is about to go up on the used market, the only place you'll be able to buy a FSD car without a subscription...

You selling 👀

If you've driven a hardware 4 vehicle, you'd think differently. It's obvious what they have is extremely valuable and they are about to turn off the spigot

Yes, I'm so hooked im thinking of buying it for SO's HW4 Model Y. Can't justify it for my HW3 M3...

It's a demand lever they will likely pull again in the future... but The rules of the game change once it achieves its full function, value of license shoots up, and they will want to capture as much of that value as possible.

V12 performance is pretty decent, if they do release a v14lite this year, I bet they can get pretty close to good enough.

It's soo close on HW4, makes me tempted to upgrade, but 8k is so much. Will be interested to see what this does to used prices for cars with FSD

I'm torn if I should upgrade my wife's HW4 Model Y, latest software is so good.

I'd be OK with all of this if they reduced FSD price to $50/month and also this is likely due to CA regulations regarding false advertising of 'autopilot'

if they can’t upgrade FSD HW to fullest with MCU then it’s a law suit. ppl spent 8k upto 12k end up with slow intel MCU and years of waiting.

Good point. I have unlimited supercharging too and they only offered to transfer em both once and I should have jumped on that chit

I’ll leave tesla and go back to combustion if they don’t give a hardware update to my 2020 or don’t let me transfer FSD when I inevitably upgrade. I’m holding out as long as I can and luckily FSD12 isn’t complete dogshit. I financed $18k for this when people thought it wouldn’t work, I feel like they’re shafting early buyers in a big way right now with their patents to just give an FSD lite to older models. I’m still on intel and can’t use grok in my car either. Dumb as shit.

Notmonly it will be back but free Supercharging transfer and financial incentives will be back as the squeeze tightens throughout 2026. They need to up the pack capacity or sales will continue to slump

It's here already.[Unsupervised FSD](https://x.com/i/status/2014394907222237561)

I signed on for my LR M3P in June 2018; purchased the dream of FSD, too. Trying to get people to commit to the new model before production actually began, they offered me free supercharging for life, and free premium connectivity for life. Last year took them up on 4MW+ of charging on the road. I’m going to keep this car till the wheels fall off. And I’ll buy a new battery if I ever have to (now at 113K miles), just to see Elon declare “FSD (UNsupervised) is here” and figure out what he’s going to have to do for me.

Windows XP would like to have a word with you.

To be fair, XP died a long time ago, and is only functional if it's completely protected from the outside world. It would be nice to have legacy requirements to software in general, requiring companies to patch the software to a forever-state and release host-side server files once they stop supporting and hosting it.

i have fsd now, what if my car is broken after 2026 match? wtf is this?

same here 2018 lr with fsd, he had been bs for 2 years about how to treat hw3 users, I am not sure if i should sell my fsd for 4000-5000usd or wait for a retrofit.

BYD is #1 ....

Likely because they will be retro-fitting and no longer need to reduce the number of devices on market. The real driver is the ability to reduce retrofit costs - the HW3 is gonna need an incredible overhaul at a service center. With labor and warranty of the work, it may legitimately close to 'here's a mega voucher on a new car' price tag.

Bring back transferrable FUSC and I'll buy a new Model Y today.

Thats how I got my performance Y with all options and free SC for 40k. I am thinking they will either cancel the CT or make a push after merge with spaceX because they will need at east few trillion $ to kick start “off world economy”

This. I just purchased a 2026 MY and FSD. Planned on keeping it for 10 years BUT if there is a time between 5-10 years that there is a free transfer for FSD onto a new vehicle they will get a sale from me. I would assume the majority of FSD outright purchases feel the same.

They just told me I would need an updated infotainment system for all of the FSD features to work correctly (a $2.5k cost.) My understanding was that the HW computer needed for FSD would be upgraded for free. What am I missing here?

Do they realize you have an older Model? Do you still have your contract? I think they are obligated to do it for free.

They know I have the older Model, I received the message after I had dropped it off. They are saying that upgrading "only the hardware" may result in a performance lag, and that upgrading the infotainment system and radio will "ensure your vehicle operates at its full capability." It was my understanding that the MCU would be getting swapped out, and now I don't know what to expect.

Agreed

I'm curious if anybody knows if you transfer FSD and keep the vehicle do you go back to enhanced autopilot or is it all the way back to basic Auto steer? For reference I have a 20/20 model 3 long range where I had purchased enhanced autopilot and then purchased FSD.

Anyone received this message ? I order MYP in Dec last year, which shows delivery of May-June 2026. Now receiving email from Tesla advisor, I need to take delivery. But there is no vin or vehicle available. Whats wrong with them on ever changing policies.