Elon: FSD will be subscription-only after 14 February

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I’m so glad I bought FSD accidentally when it was 2k. Yet my car stopped upgrading after they release the cabin nagger.

I paid $10,000 twice for FSD in Austar there was no transfer from my model 3 to Y. This pisses me off as I’m on hardware 3 and still waiting the upgrade and for FSD to go live on my car

It always should have been subscrtiption only, it never made sense to sell it. But the price needs to be half of that amount or less.

Subscription only $50 a month and you’d have everyone on board. I have been paying the $100 as it’s worth it to me for the convenience it provides but I feel like $50 is way more fair.

Tesla will do that if they think they can sell significantly more than twice the number of subscriptions by doing so.

Subscription only means they don’t have lock-ins for forced future hardware upgrades

Oooo, good point

I traded my HW3 Model 3 with a FSD licence to older 2018 Model S 100D, which also has the FSD licence. Model S is now in Tesla Service and they’re going to update from HW2.5 to HW3 without cost. Interesting to see how this plays out, if Tesla publishes the actual FSD this year here in Europe. Do these cars receive FSD at the same time or do i get a delayed launch, because i traded to older car?

$99 per month was too cheap when FSD was $8000, It makes no sense to buy FSD. If you can't buy FSD for $8000 then $50 per month seems fine

Once FSD gets made available in UK I'll... likely be pushing for a hardware upgrade. 2020 M3SR+. We're in the minority of drivers but we're still a liability to them based on what they sold us. We haven't seen any meaningful regular self-driving software improvements for well over two years now.

good for us customers. i paid for FSD five years ago and got nothing because my hardware is to old. Subscription would have saved me 8.000 bucks.

To me it sounds like you got scammed

Also waiting for my model 3 on hardware 3 to get wha I paid for in Australia. On the plus side, I’m no longer tied to Tesla and can consider other EV’s entering the market.

I can't think of a single tangible improvement to Autopilot in Europe in the last 6 years or so. The last update I can think of was the traffic light chime in 2020 IIRC. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I never actually expected Tesla to actually release level 5 self driving like Musk advertised when I bought my Model 3 in 2019, but I honestly never imagined that FSD would *still* have close to zero value in Europe. I at least expected to have gotten something, literally *anything*, by now.

And they can increase the price whenever they want

Lmao WHAT?

Well those hardware upgrades were more than paid for though

Is this for UK too?

We don't have FSD yet anyway but i guess once it's approved we'll probably be sub only.

We cant invest in fsd then transfer right?

Love that Musk gave us free software updates. Hate that he is now leading the way on giving us software like licenses. He just wants recurring revenues.

What about markets that don’t offer subscription yet?

I mean they stopped risking future hardware uogrades when they started calling it "supervised FSD" on the label when you buy it.

Thank the EU regulators. Really, thank VW and Mercedes that polluted the regulators to hold up everything until they catch up.

I subscribed for a month and now l be unsubscribing tomorrow as i was only testing it. I really enjoyed it, yet, it is too expensive to pay every month. Hope they make supervised half the price when unsupervised comes out

But I don’t think is the rationale. Elon has long ago mentioned that the cars begin to appreciate in value rapidly once “autonomy” is achieved. I think this move reflects Elon’s confidence in nearing this milestone (*can forego debating “Elon time”*)

FSD was never $2000, cheapest it’s been in early 2019 was $5000

Incorrect. It was $2000 if you already paid for EAP before they discontinued it.

It was $2k if you already had Enhanced Autopilot. Before they included basic autopilot for free, you had to pay $5k to have any autopilot at all if you had a car with HW2.0 or 2.5.

Lmao what are you 10? This was obviously a scam

“If you already paid for EAP” means it literally was not $2000. EAP was $6000 to begin with, so you ended up paying $8000 for FSD.

I remember smashing the buy button when the email for $2k came. I wish i could transfer it to my wife's Y.

If you have a subscription yes. But if you paid one time fee then it’s not transferable to a new car, except when they have rare promotions.

No, they're correct that it was $5000 total at one point but it needs more context: They did run a promotion after delivery once, in March of 2019.   It was early in the production of the Model 3 and they were selling Autopilot as a paid upgrade - not buying it meant you only got dumb (not adaptive) cruise control. I opted not to get that when I picked up my car in November 2018, but the promo in March was 2k for autopilot plus an additional 3k if you wanted FSD.  I bought both, and was lucky to be able to use a transfer promo to my 2024 model Y.

This is unfortunate in my opinion. I’m personally not a fan of “leasing” FSD. Buying it seems like a better value (finally) at this point since it actually works and now may finally add value to resale. The price would have to be VERY low for me to go month to month with no long term added value to my vehicle.

Everyone does. Sadly it is the way of things now.

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Just wish there was an yearly subscription.

Or decrease. 👍🏼

Will this be in Europe as well?

Welp, looks like I need to go and make the outright purchase now on my 2018 M3 (HW3). Hopefully there will be some future “transfer” options offered once again. Fortunately it’s only $2k since we paid for EAP when we bought our car.

Because companies decrease their subscription costs quite often…

That’s really not what happened. At the time there was a lot of worry about “American” AI coming unregulated into Europe, and that’s why you had a quite hard line on regulation. It was the wrong policy but consequentially had little impact (there’s not a huge number of FSD users even in the US). The worse thing has probably been the impact on slowing down European car firms already glacial development. Now it’s changing (a bit of a mess but with the UN involvement).

A vehicle will never appreciate. That’s a silly notion you can and should immediately dismiss.

They did, by half.

Cars, like teenagers, are depreciating assets *…… until they get jobs to make money.*

Oh, no doubt everybody does one it. What was nice about Tesla in the beginning was musk was selling something that we don’t see anymore He was giving people unlimited software updates and he was pushing to have cars that would in his words run for 1,000,000 miles. And I do think with regard to durability, he actually was pushing for those types of goals in order to give electric car additional edge. Now I think he’s seen that. The value is in having people buy your cars more often, so million mile cars don’t make much sense. They need to do just well enough to last the maybe 10 years people expect

I can buy it for $2K now on my 2022 M3P. Maybe it’s time.

There is a missing incentive here that Tesla could leverage to boost subscribers. I’ll pay $100 a month for FSD * IF * FSD dropped my car insurance $50 a month. Tesla Insurance is not a thing in Canada so it would require partnerships that the insurance industry might not be interested in. I get that.

That depends on the competitive market. I assume that other manufacturers will also offer similar packages to Tesla in the future. In that case, it may well be that we will be talking about $50 rather than $100 in the future. Rivian already prices its package at that level today.

It was a fire sale for a weekend, and I got it for that price. It was absolute steal for the last 7 years

On HW3 it isn't worth it in my opinion. HW 3 users should have a different cost

Meh I’ve done it 3x with no promotion plz get to know ya service advisor they really can help u out

Being closed minded is a notion you can and should immediately dismiss. If all the sudden every Tesla with HW4 was capable of operating as a robotaxi and earning people money like Uber but without a driver, all used Teslas would appreciate in value as people buy up all used Teslas to run a robotaxi fleet.

There’s only value if you don’t plan on ever selling your car as it’s not guaranteed to be transferable it’s actually cheaper to pay monthly as most people keep a car for maybe 4 to 5 years old would still be cheap cheaper than the $8000. it is now.

There will be, $999.

$999

New Nvidia thing

Totally agree. If it was 50, i'd do it. I don't drive enough to justify 100. But I could convince myself for 50

“If” is carrying a LOT of weight there, my friend.

I have FSD and still waiting for them to find anway to upgrade HW3 to HW4 without forcing me to buy a new car.

That's how conditions work

And in this case, it’s never going to happen.

If is how businesses are born and innovations are made. if you ever listened to wealthy business owners and entrepreneurs speak you would hear them say how they have to ignore the negativity because for every good idea there are friends and others coming up with reasons that they shouldn’t go through with it.

Incredibly disappointed with this decision

Maybe, that's not the point.

Barely anyone subscribes to fsd at $99 per month. Increasing will make it even less attractive. Most the owner I have met, none has sub into it or buy it outright. Only a few bought fsd.

“With FSD going subscription only, we’re pleased to offer you an introductory rate of $50/month for your first 12 months. We know you have choices when it comes to self-driving and are excited for you to choose us as your self-driving service partner. Tesla, accelerating into the future of vehicles!”

Most people I've met with newer models have fsd. Maybe it's selection bias?

Because nobody was paying the original price. Wasn't it $200 a month originally?

Invest the money in TSLA instead.

I mean, that's not going to happen, for a variety of reasons, but even if it did, the car is a still a physical product that will have an end of life date. It simply will not appreciate.

So it was $2k plus the price of EAP or AP. Disingenuous to just say $2k

That's a fantasy. But even if it came to pass, a car, like most complex manufactured products, has a useful lifespan and it will depreciate during the course of that lifespan.

It won’t start appreciating(as in become something that becomes more valuable over time), but if it may have an increase in value if it’s able to earn money. It’ll still depreciate, just from its newer, higher, value. But I don’t really think that’ll happen either.

I remember it at $150 at one point or another, I could be making that up idk

If that were the case they’d only suspend outright-purchase from HW3 or earlier, because hw4 is good enough to go unsupervised there’s no reason for mandatory upgrades to the car’s hardware, that’s on the owner if they want to get a new car

People bought FSD with HW3 are clowns now. Elon is likely to stop FSD transfer forcing everyone to pay for FSD monthly. Elon will take all non subscription FSD back like free life time supercharging privileges slowly.

I have hw3 and hw4 and while the hw4 is way better hw3 is pretty good overall, especially on highways and road trips.

Oh nice, the classic 15% off or so. Not bad IMHO

So "way better" vs "pretty good" should be the same price in your opinion?

I’d buy a new model 3 and transfer that immediately before 2/14 if they’re still offering it.

I mean it does the same thing, provides a lowly hands free experience. I don’t pay monthly because both my cars have it for life.

I feel the same. Bought it when I ordered my 2020 MY. It has never worked. I’d love to get that money back as it was a defective product.

We have had couple meet up and only a few people in my area have FSD.

That’s a more reasonable expectation. Still quite unlikely, but certainly within the realm of objective reality.

I don't think there's a current "transfer FSD" offer going on out there ...

Whether you like this or not, whether you like Elon or not, what I love about this is the ridiculous amount of pressure it will put on other car manufacturers for the "subscriptions" they want to charge you for. "[Oh, you want heated seats? Pay us every month...](https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-responds-to-fury-over-heated-seats-subscription-fee)" Those models will be somewhat harder for customers to swallow, if for $99 a month *you can get a car that can 100% drive itself while you sit in the back seat*... it kind of sets a psychological 'ceiling' on what makes sense in terms of value / money. (I know, we're not at 'unsupervised' just yet)

This is why they have given free trials, and the people that have not subscribed after are not double the total users. Every time they do a free trial, its a test to see what the market is for the FSD product in the current form. Price will absolutely not go down if it isn't a sizable share of subscribers. Else they just offer a month if they need extra driving data. There's easy data to support that the number of "price resistant subscribers" is far lower than the "price sensitive" ones. Unsupervised may change that and then the price may change.

Must have just ended. On the earnings call Elon said it was live for another month at least

Bring it down to $9/month.

This feels abrupt or like backtracking on the promise of FSD being an appreciating asset, but really, this is just another transition toward fully autonomous driving. We’re 5, maybe 10 years away from it being completely the norm that all or most cars are autonomous, no extra add-on or subscription required. I could see in 10-15 years you may not even be permitted to drive manually unless on a closed course or something. In either case having FSD/autonomous driving as something you pay extra for would be nonsensical. So as much as as people today who bought FSD vs subbed to it feel like they’ve been taken for a ride, it would be even worse in 5 years when most cars have it stock. This is a natural progression toward that future. They no longer want to sell you something that they know in a few short years they’ll likely be giving everyone for free, but if you’ve only subscribed to it and suddenly it’s free, no big deal.

I've got a 2017 Model S with EAP, so I can upgrade to FSD for $2k. Does FSD currently stay with the driver, car, or only driver + current car? EDIT: As far as I can tell, it stays with the car and can transfer to a new owner via private sale?

You guys are doing meet ups??

Yeah. Couple times.

They literally just introduced the Luxe package. Unless they’re saying that’s a package and it’s included as standard, not necessarily sold separately?

Are you saying if people subscribe for $100 after a free trial, that’s indication that a lower price is better?

I really doubt my 10 year old Model S with 100k miles is going to start gaining value suddenly because of FSD. The thing can't even handle morning sunlight blinding the cameras.

Ditto! I have told myself I’ll never buy another Tesla that doesn’t have it lifetime.

In europe there is no subscription! And now?

Huh, I'll go back and check the replay on that. Might totally make it worth it to do the $2k upgrade, then trade in for new under that.

Ah, the crack addict logic. Was waiting for this one.

I'm really not surprised there isn't huge lawsuits over this. Tesla has deep pockets. They would pay handsomely to keep people to shut up.

I feel very fortunate that I bought a used 2018 Model 3 with FSD in 2020 and then bought my wife a Juniper Y in May of this year to get the tax credit and saw in the app that I was able to transfer FSD from the 2018 to it. Did so right away and then sold my 2018 on HW3 last night. I’m on the people who still thinks FSD sucks but my wife likes it, so good for her. Even when I get the free trials in my new Model 3P I don’t use it.

You know it could have been investor day. And it may have been more than a month since he said it

I sub to it on my 23 model x . They got me with the free trials. It’s just so much more convenient for me

$100….so far

Hope they offer a discounted annual fee. I love my Model Y HW4 FSD. I hit 96% FSD yesterday, can’t stand driving anymore.

One source said $99/mo or $999/year. Annual would be $83.25/month. They should do $949 to get it under "$80" to $79.99. I think $699/year (or $58.25/month) would be a sweet spot. If they ever get to unsupervised, I think $99/month is highly justified. Maybe a little more, like $129/month.

As much as I hate subscription services...this is probably a good thing. To buy it is $8,000 and is not transferable to a new vehicle in most cases. So some people have bought it 2-3 times. You can sub to it for $1,000/year which means that you would have to have a constant subscription for 8 years to match the cost of buying it. Many people do not keep a car for 8 years...especially one with an aging HV battery. Then you have to factor in those people who travel often. I know people who basically split their time between two places. You can sub/un-sub at will and not have to pay for something you are not using. Still at $1,000/year its not something I am interested enough in paying for. If they lowered it to even $750/year I would consider it. Elon's raise is tied to a certain number of FSD subscriptions, so he can lower the cost to attract more subscribers if he really wanted to.

I've bought it 3 times. lol

Dude. Your money, your choice. I won't do that. Not until they will take full responsibility on FSD.

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/2011466922995364214?s=46&t=FJnwUzmO93DGxmO6Ihn37g It’s active

And every failed business owner said the same thing. You're selecting a small group of wealthy, successful people and ignoring the millions of other people with failed businesses who worked just as hard and "ignored the haters." Sometimes creative ideas work, but a lot of times they don't. I'm not saying I know where this one falls, but based on the continuously delayed timeline I tend to not put a lot of faith in what Elon says is "coming soon."

Tesla's CFO himself said that only 12% of Teslas have purchased or subscribe to FSD. That was a few months ago so maybe has gone up a bit since

Elon needs 10 million active subscriptions as one of the milestones in his pay package. I don't think it goes any deeper than that.

Breaking: CEO of a company wants company to make money. More at 10!!!

Awesome to know, thanks! Ugh, wasn't *planning* on buying a new car this year ... but a new 2026 M3 that could drive me everywhere for the next 10 years? It's appealing...

29.99

Meh, he pretended he was different in the beginning. Some CEO's aren't driven solely by profit. Patagonia and Costco are examples of companies not run that way. And please, don't give me the fiduciary duty to shareholders excuse. The shareholders can decide with their buying and retention of shares whether they think the trade that you made of good will vs. potential additional profit was better for the company

> Meh, he pretended he was different in the beginning There was never any other pretense. You sound like you're just very gullible and now upset that you were wrong. Sorry. > The shareholders can decide with their buying and retention of shares whether they think the trade that you made of good will vs. potential additional profit was better for the company Tesla is back very near ATHs and is the 10th most valuable company in the world by market cap. I think us shareholders are speaking very loudly that Elon is doing exactly what he should be. Sorry.

I wonder if that includes FSD that was included with the purchase or just people who chose it as an addon. I only have it because they bundled it with the CPO M3 I bought. It looks like the S currently gets it included for new purchases and a lot if CPO 3s have it included.

Oh, I see I should have just assumed that he was lying. How stupid of me. The stock got the attention that it did because of the way in which Musk ran the company. It then became a meme stock which it continues to be to this day. Sure, you could argue that robots and AI make some of the exuberance today justified, but for years that wasn’t the case. Moreover, car sales have been abysmal and the Cybertruck has been a disaster. So, just because the stock is high at the moment doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be higher if Musk had behaved differently. And none of what the shareholders have done is a reaction to this announcement which we are discussing. If you want to judge by that the stock is down 2.5% today.

I doubt they'll raise the price because it doesn't make sense. If they go in with blinded by greed and raise the price they will definitely lose current and future subscribers. 1. Less subscribers should equate to similar or decreased revenue compared to now. 2. Less data and feedback which can hinder the development overall. 3. May allow competition to catch up even faster or be a bigger threat to when they eventually catch up. Doesn't make sense from either the consumer or business standpoint but we'll have to see what happens.

Same boat.

Until it goes on sale a month later? Elon has never lied before. 🙄

A steal!

I own FSD but if i was paying a subscription I would like to see pay per mile. If it was, say $0.10 per mile i could choose when to use it or not use it. Definitely for longer trips maybe not so much just around town.

But *is* HW4 good enough? They’ve already got HW5; it’s a fair bit of a moving target and an ever growing fleet

If you buy it will stay with the car. They are allowing people that buy new Tesla to transfer to their new car. This is a temporary thing though so they could stop allowing that anytime as well.

This feels like an undercover announcement that subscription prices will increase steadily over time. I’m guessing over 6.67 years it will have become a better deal to have bought FSD outright.

Subs after a free trial is an indication the person wants the feature and are price resistant... so long as the person doesn't unsub in the months to follow. IF they eventually unsub, then they fulfill the price sensitive checkbox, and retention % goes down. Basically, the company is interested in 2 things, **how many** subscribers can they get, period, and how can they **keep them** subscribed indefinitely to maintain and reliably predict future cash flow. Right now based on this removal of outright purchase, they're going in hard on the SaaS model. I will plant my flag, that by Feb 15th the price will never be lower per month. (They might change it on Feb14 and introduce supervised/unsupervised tiers) But after, it will only get separated like a pay-per-mile price, or a daily/weekly price. In our future FSD hell, they might even have surge pricing, regional urban/rural dynamic pricing (scary thought). Adobe/Microsoft/Uber/Lyft opened those floodgates. This is simply following the model SaaS providers laid out.

I mean, I did 120K miles on one of them, probably 99% on FSD. It took us all over the coasts and across the country 6 or 8 times. I feel like I got my money out of it. Hoping to keep my Cybertruck for even longer, and currently at 99% FSD use with it.

I’m hoping to purchase a new vehicle when they have an FSD transfer promo on again… Bought it for $4K - and I’ve got free supercharging for life. I have only been supercharging for my energy for the last 8.5 years!

or 3 months later they offer it again. Who knows.

That’s a regret I too have. I hope they’ll do a transfer when I need it or retro for that hw3

I bought it with my truck. Have no plans to get rid of it, but if I did… I hope I can transfer, but if not, then it’s a selling point!! https://preview.redd.it/sfs9ybbenddg1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7141fece46d67a9fed77ec2d0d8a788a348d9afa

Exactly my thought, $50/mo is not a huge deal for me, but $100 sounds crazy somehow.

still too expensive to have it all time, maybe on longer trips for one month when needed.

Whatever. Where is the new Roadster that was promised for 2020?!?

One positive of this for Tesla may be simplified accounting. The arguements over FSD accounting (how much of the FSD sale has been completed) have to be annoying. Lots of uncertain costs if hardware upgrades are needed. Going to subscription - that goes away. Don't like FSD? Don't pay. Think it's good enough on HW4 to pay? Tesla can book that revenue. They are currently carrying around over **$3 billion** in deferred revenue in part due to obligations related "to the access to our Full Self-Driving (“FSD”) (Supervised) features and their ongoing maintenance". So there is money set aside because they've sold FSD in past and may not have fully delivered.

On highways is where all of these systems excel... be it BMW, Volvo or SuperCruise and they are all either included with an upfront fee of \~2K, or $30/mo after a 3 year free trial (SuperCruise). $99 is wild.

i love fsd because i suck at parking. now im debating paying the whole thing. wish they made it cheaper

Same Venn diagram as people who bought Star Citizen lol

Are you serious? There’s always going to be improvements, iPhone gets a new chip every year, doesn’t make last year’s phone impossible to use for most of the new features that come thru software. Elon already said they plan a yearly release of new hardware every year after HW6 or HW7 once they get chip production in order

I’m actually still pretty happy with HW3 FSD on my Nov20 Y. But I’m only at 40k miles and really wanted a transfer whenever I reach 60 or 80k miles. If there’s no transfer I can’t imagine I’ll buy another tesla. Oh well, hopefully a competitive product to FSD is available by then.

I would definitely not put Elon out there in the same group of failed small business owners. There’s key differences.

Exactly, but what level is good enough to say “you spent $10k, and you’re got “enough” Hw3 clearly isn’t. Hw4 is questionable for 100% safe unsupervised driving full time. If someone buys a car with hw4 and in 2 years time the minimum to do truly unsupervised driving is hw5, what then?

I might pay 20 bucks a month

Should be free for everyone it’s software and connectivity and free charging

Can you get it for the one time price if you order a car that doesn’t arrive until after the 14th?

Is the $999/yr option available now? I have been doing $99/mo for a long time and would love to save a bit.

Europe to ?

FOMO is real. I’m sure a lot of people will jump on this wagon and buy the package. For most people who don’t plan to use the vehicle for more than 6 years, subscription is a cheaper option. Plus month to month without commitments is even a better option.

Easier more accurate revenue projection. People will also stop asking for FSD transfers

Have you used hw4 on v14 yet?

There will be no transfer promo if they aren’t selling FSD on new cars anymore

Hahaha they trying to cause a panic thinking people will just go and buy FSD. Nobody is buying that shit 😂😂 most people are not keeping their cars for over 6 years and it’s not transferable. So that option never made any sense to begin with.

Eh, just buy $8k of Tesla stock every time you buy a Tesla car. You’ll probably end up getting FSD for free.

I have two teslas and both have bought FSD. If I need to buy another Tesla and it only comes as a subscription, I’m not subscribing unless it’s unsupervised.

Ya probably me too

There are several huge lawsuits in motion.

I’ve seen HW4 FSD and we’re definitely getting left behind. Difference is significant.

The adobe of cars

How many teslas have they sold? I wonder what ratio is 10 million vehicles from their total sales

Promo for transfers is back on according to the ordering site

Yes. If the sun is cheaper like $30-50 a month. No brainer. At $100 a month, I do not think so.

Can you elaborate on this?

Not who you replied to, but man v14 on HW4 is so good. It is clearly a better driver than me about 95% of the time. And if I wasn’t impatient at stop signs and nudging it forward in weird situations it could drive 99% of the time. Not to be naive but I genuinely feel safer in it when it’s driving. Just did a 3000 mile road trip and it drove almost all of it. Rain, snow, sleet, just glued to the center of the lane in bad conditions.

A little over 8 million now globally. So they need more subs than they have cars sold at this point.

lol that’s wild

lol, with a hw3 car, no, no I have not. But there’s a gap between “great” and “certified good”

HW4 is as close to perfect as a system can be, give it a try sometime, free to test at any service center or show room, and they even have teslas set up at hotels and things to test drive with no employees nearby

Absolutely, my one regret with buying an older model last year is not having hw4

FSD on a HW3 model3 suckz ballz! Keeps changing lanes for no reason and wont hold a specific MPH so not worth it.

Is pay 30 a month

Tesla’s decision to flip to a subscription model for its self-driving software may not land well with some Tesla buyers, but it doesn’t come as a total surprise. In November, Tesla’s shareholders approved an eye-watering pay package for Musk that consolidates even more power at the company with the mercurial billionaire, with the promise of a payout that could be worth $1 trillion. One of the pay package milestones Musk must hit to unlock the biggest executive payout in history? Boosting Tesla’s Full Self-Driving software to 10 million monthly active subscriptions before 2035.  Read more here: [https://www.fastcompany.com/91474691/tesla-puts-full-self-driving-behind-a-monthly-paywall](https://www.fastcompany.com/91474691/tesla-puts-full-self-driving-behind-a-monthly-paywall)

He’s running a business. Many people will end up being ok paying a lot more than $99 / month for a chauffeur driven car. All other auto manufacturers will do the same when they catch up on FSD, but likely do so in a way much worse than Tesla (e.g. air conditioning as a subscription service 😛). Compare utility of FSD to other “utilities” you pay for today for your home - internet, energy cost, wireless phone bill, gas - and you’ll conclude you’d pay a lot more than $99 / month.

I just had a loner and I couldn't pick where to park .

What

That suggests they were going to upgrade anyone's hardware to begin with (disappointed hw3 model 3 owner)

Rewrite history all you want, but the regulations came in and blocked Tesla. German manufacturers were lightyears away. 7 years ago was when Tesla was doing automatic lane changes. Multiple officials of the GRVA have German OEM ties, and what do you know, many years later, once Mercedes finally had a shitty highway autonomy mode, they suddenly got a quick exception and grant to use it. This has been a way to hamstring Tesla until Germans can catch up, for sales purposes. It's anti-competitive and cartel behavior. And we all get shafted for it. FSD has driven over 7 billion miles in America. Europe is experiencing 7 year old tech, and we're less safe for it.

Ha. This is America, where we only talk about prosecuting billionaires, and reward them with tax breaks.

So much truth to this! The media is in a tizzy because there was 7 million dollars of fraud in Minnesota... But Kaiser Permanente just settled a Medicare fraud suit for a half a billion. (without admitting fault, of course.) No one is talking about stripping the Kaiser Permanente board of their citizenship and exiling them to dark site prisons. (Which they should TOTALLY do.)

One question: why Valetines Day? It's not the end of the fiscal quarter of anything specifically financial related as far as I can see.

[Maybe this?](https://cleantechnica.com/2026/01/15/ah-this-is-why-tesla-full-self-driving-sales-end-on-february-14/)

2017 HW2 model X owner. FSD is 2k for me currently - should I buy , subscribe or pass on it? Any advice?

What? Tesla makes $990million dollars a MONTH on FSD subscriptions globally. What crack pipe are you smoking?

Still can't find the annual option. It's not in the Tesla app, but I know what you're referring to, multiple X's or other sources have cited the $999/year option Maybe it's not available until 2/14?

Do you know if that's available 2/14? I can't see it in my tesla app today. Can't seem to find concrete sources saying WHEN, but I do see the $999/year option mentioned

I don't know? I've only seen it on credible X accounts that broke the news.

If you take the 8k that you'd buy FSD with right now, and put it in a savings account earning 3 percent (which you could easily beat) over the next 6.67 years, you'd have 9740 dollars. So that's the actual cost of paying 8k now. That turns the break even time of the money you're spending to buy FSD outright to 9740/100 = 8.12 years. Just fyi. And with the subscription, you can cancel for months when you know you won't be driving very much as well.

I think they meant transferable with the car when you sell it.