Tesla FSD earns high praise in South Korea’s real-world autonomous driving test

>The testers also noted that in some parts of the test, FSD seemed to be driving autonomously in accordance with traffic flow rather than strict traffic rules. Is that acceptable? Is it *preferable?*

A system should do this, within reason because speed variance is a well supported crash risk. Think about a 55mph road. A car is doing 54 while the flow is 62mph. Nothing crazy, but a differential of 8mph can be dangerous or cause significant traffic ripple effects. Generally, ADAS should not treat the posted limit as a hard cap divorced from flow, but also not be aggressive in matching unsafe speeding drivers.

everyone will have a different take on this. Hell I've seen conversations here where people have argued over whether they want FSD to do something as simple as a rolling stop sign stop. I'm not sure if I want FSD to drive legally or to drive like a human. I'd probably learn towards that its better if it drives like a human since we're already wanting it to speed slightly.

Yes. To me it’s more important for it to be a defensive driver vs. a legal one.

The funny thing is that stop signs represent a failure of road design to begin with… Coming to a full and complete stop is completely unnecessary in 90+% of cases (from a purely safety perspective), but the law would still tell you to do it 100% of the time just because it said so 🤷

on the other hand, if enough people are driving at the speed limit (such as in a fully autonomous world), then the speed limit becomes the new flow of traffic. Additionally, it becomes a question of liability in a speeding ticket. I've been ticketed for speeding at 80mph when I was just following the cars in front of me.

I think it’s all “within reason.” Like most people won’t be pulled over for going with the traffic flow at +9. Similarly, we’re expected to go slower in bad weather. As long as we’re on roads with humans, there needs to be elasticity.

Preferable. It's acting as a human would. No one drives exactly like the law states.

It's arguably safer not to completely stop. 4 way stops and traffic lights tend to get very polished and slick in icy weather.

Other places of the world have yield signs instead of (almost all) stop signs, and roundabouts instead of 4 way stops. Stop signs here in Norway are incredibly rare. I’ve probably encountered a few since, but the only one I can place is from when I was getting my drivers license almost 21 years ago and a car slid past one and onto the road in front of us. At the time my driving instructor pointed out it was the only one in the city.

Yeah, here in New Zealand it's pretty rare to come across a stop sign. Instead, it'll either be a roundabout, give way, or traffic lights. No one knows what to do at the four way stops that do exist, it's just a bunch of hand gesturing through the window

I’m not too sure, yes to keep harmony with traffic flow, but maybe not if it makes you an illegal driver.

It’s all relative. If you’re going 7 over on a 65mph highway to maintain flow, nobody is going to pull you over. 7mph over in a 25mph school zone is different. So long as it properly understands how the law is applied, safety should coma first.

It depends whether you’re going to go past speed cameras or road side cameras. Some cops don’t care for our perception of safety but for the rules of the law. I agree with your perception of safety but police or automated cameras often won’t. Because police think the law is built with safety in mind and that you should just slow down. So it’s also a question of where in which Tesla thinks people can get away with it. In Australia it is still illegal to go over the speed limit under <10km/h.

“Why is FSD allowed in South Korea?” Fun story…. As part of a previous free trade agreement, Korea agreed that any US manufactured cars that pass US regulations would be automatically granted approval in Korea. But that only applies to US manufactured cars. Which is why it only works for Model S and X. Model 3 and Y are manufactured in China, for the Korean market.

Some people here are saying that doing 10 over the speed limit is no big deal and acceptable. That's miles per hour. On Australian roads that would be doing 76 in a 60 kmh zone, which is a ticket and loss of points. Things are different in different countries, but I think that an autonomous vehicle should be programmed to drive legally. If the car can knowingly go over the speed limit by itself - then the liability for the ticket or accident falls on the manufacturer.

I was looking at it from just adding another 10, if it was in miles or K’s So doing 70 in a 60 zone is still going to get you in trouble I also agree I think the car should be programmed to drive legally

It should up to the point that’s objectively safer. Humans are the kryptonite of autonomous cars, if we were all replaced the roads would be instantly safer.

Yes, everyone hates dickhead slow drivers.

Question is .. how can you tell if a Tesla is being teleoperated while in FSD?

I have been wondering when FSD will become the norm worldwide.

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