Chuck Cook's FSD Supervised v14.1 end of drive summary

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\*\*Cries in HW3\*\*

Well, at least we've got some high-profile Tesla-ers asking about HW3. Need _someone_ to keep the pressure up. HW3 owners basically funded (money, but moreso _data_) all of the early development of FSD.

Which HW2.5 funded... which HW2 funded... which HW1 funded

What’s the tldr? lol

It’s a 90 second clip, can’t get much more shorter than that. But trying: he’s very excited by it and recommends it to wide release Does anyone have the link to the full clip? It cuts off before he does the parking, which I’m curious to see

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Incorporating parking into the end of the drive is a game changer

Three quarters of the cars on the road during FSD beta were HW3

Sure, but there would be no Model 3/Y without the success of the Model S. It's irrelevant how many cars were involved when scaling up. Soon enough 3/4 of the cars on the road will be running HW4 or HW5. Should we ignore the contributions of HW3 purchasers at that point?

So did it spend the whole drive in the left lane?

Just watched full video. IMPRESSIVE! Slow down for speed bumps, pulled to the side for ambulance, avoided road debri, slowed down for school zone.... curbside parking...... many good stuff. Crying with HW3 too...... so many nice changes.

For real. Always hated how it would just permanently sit in the left lane like some psycho path.

Early adopters invariably pay a premium for all new tech.

I use it when they have free trials, I’d just set it to 72on a 65 when freeway driving. I’d start in the middle lane, no one around and it would always go to the left. Then some car would come up behind me doing 85 flashing his lights at me. No need to always be in the fastest lane, I hated it enough to not subscribe. Auto pilot sticks in one lane then i just manually stop change lanes and start autopilot again. Way less anxiety while not spending  $99/month

He's the best for unbiased assessment IMHO

Always amazed by the amount of details on the screen with FSD compared to what we get in Europe.

I have HW3 and my car slows down for speed bumps. Everything else would be nice though.

Honestly, I have lost a lot of my interest in FSD since getting a MYJ. I use cruise control all the time and the fact that I can’t toggle between cruise control and FSD like I could with a stalk is just a killer.

That’s funny. When I had trials I have a long three lane road from the freeway to my house. I have a Costco, chick fil a, and numerous other business that get back up for people turning right into.. you think when I manually moved to the middle lane for 3 miles to pass all this it would stay.. nope automatically back to the right lane over and over until I turned it off 😂😂

**cries in completely broken HW3 FSD that I paid for.

How is it behaving in winter conditions or during rain?

Being fair, it has a navigation set and there is a left turn upcoming. In fact, my bigger complaint with FSD is sometimes it will get out of the lane it needs to stay in, especially when there is a traffic jam. It doesn't have contextual awareness.

https://youtu.be/K424Ezrt9NQ?si=lS0QhU_KnbWLEVhU

That’s annoying! It would be cool if you could start it in the middle lane it would prioritize that lane. Like the best lane I find for consistent speed say 72 mph is the second from the fastest lane, so it allows people to pass me but then also avoid exits and on ramps. Or some type of priority the same way you have chill mode, etc..

FSD youtubers are going to be out of content soon. Who wants to watch a car drive around for an hour with no mistakes?

That’s something you should know and come to expect as an educated buyer. That it’s not the company’s expectation, nor legal requirement, that any time a “new variant” comes out you get to upgrade for free/low cost…

Looks like it still signals like, a whole intersection early. That's one of my biggest complaints.

**Cries in HW3 and EU**

I have a HW3 Model 3 LR RWD and FSD is not great, not even trustworthy. On a trip last week, I gave up on it repeatedly - just not worth having to hover over it the whole time, making frequent corrections.

Completely broken? I would absolutely never term my HW3 vehicle’s FSD completely broken. It’s actually swayed an anti-Tesla neighbor’s opinion on after we did a 2 hour round trip with it.

Yeah, I’m in the US and when my FSD trial ran out I was honestly more disappointed by the downgrade in the visualization than I was that I didn’t have FSD anymore. The autosteer one is so much worse

You kinda can. If you make 2 profiles, one with cruise control and one with FSD you can switch between those profiles mid drive. The only issue is that it stops your music if you’re not using Bluetooth.

I think you’d be surprised. People watch streams of people sleeping or an empty room for hours. Some people are just way too bored.

Yes, completely broken. I'm not exaggerating. I engage it and it pulls to the left lane and rides the lane. It gets so close to the other car it disengages itself. If I try it on regular streets it ran a stop sign and did the same lane issues. It USED to be great up until about 6 months ago. Since then, I cannot use it safely at all. Autopilot does none of this.

You’ve got a specific issue to your car, this has nothing to do with HW3.

Did I say that? I was saying I have a 2020 on HW3. Unless you're able to diagnose my car, you cannot conclude.

Your original comment seemed to be implying that because you have HW3 and it won’t get this new software, it’s unusable (many people stupidly have that reaction). I can conclude, however, because effectively none of the *millions* of HW3 cars on the road do that behavior.

Right but that was your assumption. Is it a HW3 or software issue? More likely a software issue given Autopilot works fine.

yeah, but not enough to make up for the lost views of everyone else. he might get a couple thousand watching his new videos instead of the hundreds of thousands that he gets now.

If with nav, I’ve had issues where I’m making a left in about a mile and it moves into the slow lane.

Except when their CEO states the hardware is fully capable of achieving robotaxi capabilities multiple times over multiple years. Here's what chatgpt quickly compiled... Apr 22, 2019 — Autonomy Day (Investor presentation) “All Tesla cars being produced right now have everything necessary for full self-driving. All you need to do is improve the software.” “From our standpoint… next year for sure, we’ll have over a million robotaxis on the road. The fleet wakes up with an over-the-air update; that’s all it takes.” (Same event framing: “the only car that has the hardware necessary for full self-driving is a Tesla.”) Jan 27, 2021 — Tesla Q4 2020 earnings call Musk indicated no hardware change was needed to reach FSD at that time: “Since we can achieve FSD… with the current system, it would actually be a distraction right now if we were to [change hardware].” (context from the official call transcript) Apr 16, 2020 — Tweet (referenced contemporaneously) Musk said robotaxi functionality was still “looking good for this year”—i.e., enabled by software on the then-current fleet (which used HW3). Aug 27, 2023 — Tweet “HW4 software will lag HW3 by at least another six months, as our focus needs to be on getting FSD on HW3 working…” (implying HW3 sufficiency for FSD) Apr 22–23, 2019 — Press coverage of Autonomy Day (reaffirming the claim) Business Insider and TechCrunch quoted Musk’s “very confident” prediction of “1 million autonomous robo-taxis… next year,” enabled via OTA update to cars with the new FSD computer (HW3).

If your car's behavior differs vastly from rest of the cars with similar hardware, the problem is in your car.

This guy is loud. Damn.

I’m curious about this too. There’s releasing FSD 14 right before first snow in my area. Bold of them.

That's what I said!

Isn’t that steering wheel from a hw3 car?

My screen is boring too..how do you get it to have color?

Thats not the majority experience. You probably have control issues if you are hovering. Everything looks like a catastrophe to your brain because it's not what you expected it to do.

Really when you think about it, nothing FSD related would be possible without the success of the model T.

I can conclude you are not really good at diagnosing things, and probably have a penchant for dramatic posts on reddit. For the lulz.

Why are you screaming,chill out

This is my experience too. ‘21 MYP here. I just don’t trust it.

If you have genuine suggestions, rather than just throwing shade on my comments, then I'd love to hear them. \- reinstalling the cars software \- waiting on each update to see if it fixes things \- checking all the cameras, cleaning \- running camera calibration 3 times and allowing it complete and reset I'm not sure what else a reasonable person should do to '...diagnose things'. It COULD be the existing HW3 hardware (not inherently an issue, but it could be an issue with mine), it COULD be the software.

Late 2023 to pre juniper Model Ys had HW4 with that interior

Can’t believe people still post vaporware vids

So, putting on a turn signal too early is a complaint?

Yes. It’ll often put it on 2 turns in advance. You should only put it on immediately before the first turn available (including driveways). Sometimes it turns it on at a traffic light when it’s going to turn the next street after which is just plain wrong.

Agreed. There are several places in our town where it will start indicating while we pass one or two streets before going to the actual street we're turning on. It's a small gripe, but it's annoying and certainly doesn't me be more predictable with other cars. I would wonder why someone was blinking so early if I saw a car indicating two streets before their turn.

He played around with the different modes, maybe it was set in hurry mode.

I have HW3 and it’s generally great. I mostly use it on Highway though when I have used it around town it’s been okay. Certainly better than it was when I bought the car 3 years ago. These cars get better with time and that’s unusual for cars. It’s normal that newer versions will be more capable, but Tesla has done a good job IMO with the HW3 FSD.

I have 13.29 and hw4 and it does drive very well. Sure it isn’t perfect and still needs supervision but it is way safer than me in general. I have the advantage of knowing the routes that I use frequently and some of the intersections are complex. FSD gets confused in those instances.

I have a hw3 that decided to die.. 2k to replace for old tech :(

Go away with you're blasphemic questions and trust the Florida-man: FSD 14.1 is rEaDy fOr wIdE rEleAse!!11

nice...

There is no way to say FSD is ready for release after using it a few times. The problem with computer systems like this is they can fail in edge cases that rarely come up - which can be fatal to a driver - even an attentive driver with their hands on the wheel (more on that later). Another kind of "edge case" is the randomness associated with computer systems like this. These are not deterministic systems. If you do the same drive every day with FSD on empty roads with clear skies, it will not do the same thing day in and day out. How about some examples of just how dangerous trust in FSD can be. I've used FSD on and off for the last year. I've had it try to drive off the road three times. I've had it try to run a traffic light 4 times. I've had it try to change lanes into another car once. I don't even use it that much. Now, let me describe one of those instances to my point about "fatal to a driver - even an attentive driver". One time FSD tried to change lanes into a car to my right with a concrete barrier to my left. I had my hands on the wheel and was attentive when this happened. I turned the wheel to the left, autopilot disengaged, at which point the car \_swerved\_ to the left (because of the unsmooth way autopilot disengages), and quickly swerved back to the right to avoid the concrete barrier. The roads were dry and clear, but if there was some gravel, a bump, or water, I could have easily lost control. At high speeds like that with a concrete barrier and cars all around such a loss of control could have been fatal. Such a scenario doesn't occur frequently, but can be fatal. I wish to also make the claim that FSD is not safer than most drivers. In the situations I listed above no average driver would have driven off the road, run a traffic light, or merged into a neighboring car. FSD is probably safer than the worst drivers and the worst drivers probably cause most of the accidents. I don't think Tesla owner's should rely on FSD - and when they use it, be cautious.