FSD v14 release notes (2025.32.8.5)

Cries in HW3

Thank you.

In your boat as well. 2023 MYLR, HW3, paid FSD upgrade. Will just wait it now and refresh our car in a few years when FSD is at 18 or something.

Did they bring back the ability to control fsd speed?? I stopped using fsd all together when I couldn’t control speed with scroll wheel and the choice of staying in your current lane without autopilot changing lanes for you

I get that there may be limitations to simply upgrading HW3 owners' hardware, but they really ought to do *something* for them. Perhaps HW3 owners who purchased FSD should get a free transfer if they purchase a new vehicle. I know they've done limited-time offers for that before, so it seems like a pretty reasonably bone to throw us. If my Model 3 reaches end-of-life and FSD is still far behind HW4 vehicles, that will feel real bad. [EDIT] Apparently FSD transfer is still available. It says limited time, but it has been available for months. That's good!

What is Brake Confirm?

Free FSD transfer has been widely available since April 24, 2025.

With it on, you have you have press the brake and then the button to start FSD. With it off you just have to touch the button on the screen. Off is so much better!

I didn't realize that was still happening! Thank you.

So frustrated by this. If I'm on standard, it will pass someone going ~3 mph slower than me, then get over in front of them and slow down 10 mph. Really embarrassing driving. I just want it to go the speed I set, and only change lanes when I confirm.

It’s kind of bullshit because imagine you found something you liked better now you’re kind of stuck with Tesla because you feel invested at this point for spending 8000 or whatever you did on your full self driving, I completely support Tesla, but this is kind of ridiculous especially considering people with hardware 2.5 and 3 are earlier adopters than the people who are benefiting from it today

I mean, it's unacceptable that a car that's 2 years old already has hardware that's not getting latest updates. You should be top priority to have your hardware upgrade. Unless you just have the money to buy a new car in a few years.

Indeed - I bought FSD for my model 3 performance in 2019. It was promised multiple times that that hardware would be able to do FSD unsupervised within “a year”, but that’s obviously not materialized. Elon has stated more than once that customers like me would get a free upgrade to hardware that does fulfill the promise, though my current understanding is that it won’t happen until they can actually deliver an unsupervised experience, which may not be possible with any of their currently shipping hardware. Which likely means there will be no upgrade. I’m certainly not going to buy another Tesla just to see a fresh set of promises never delivered on.

Older hardware is less capable with more advanced AI models, that's the limitation of physics. You can never expect older hardware perform same as newer and more advanced hardwares.

Tx!

I don’t, but it’s about the principle of the matter he said everything was equipped already to handle full self driving years ago, and that’s turning out to not be the case with no word whatsoever on retrofitting any necessary parts in order for older cars to benefit from the newest software rollouts, I had a 2019 model three long range and I purchased full self driving on that vehicle and when I used it back then it was complete crap I remember it being specifically really bad with switching lanes and they would jerk you back into the lane You were just in. On top of that when I upgraded it to my current 2022 performance model 3 I was unable to transfer the FSD license over to this car so I basically wasted money for nothing now I’m just doing the subscription thing and it’s a lot better than what I experience with the previous car I had. So you can say I’m pretty bitter about this overall.

FSD was promised like 10 years ago. Not mentioning any hardware….

1. assume you are betting "full self driving" = full self driving (unsupervised), not full self driving (supervised), since the latter is already available in both HW3 and HW4. 2. No Tesla car has achieved full self driving (unsupervised), so you cannot blame HW3 being left out. HW3 and HW4 are in the same boat of full self driving (supervised). 3. FSD has long been in Beta test (I satrted beta test since early 2022), until last year that they moved to supervised, but it's still not unsupervised. Tesla hasn't achieved unsupervised, so when you are in beta, you should expect issues that could be reasonable in beta. 4. Buying something that has not fully achieved, is not risky. When I buy FSD license for $10K in early 2022, I know FSD has not achieved yet, and I am just betting it will achieve, but no guarantee that it will achieve before I sell my car.

Also they already said they would upgrade hw3 vehicles. Only downside is they are prioritizing FSD unsupervised first. So once it is ready hw3 gets it

Assume your FSD means FSD (unsupervised). There is no Tesla car that has achieved it, so both older hw and newer hw are in the same boat of FSD (supervised). New HW does better job, but still in the same boat. Technology evolvement never aligns to human imagnation, it's subject to many real world challenges. There is no single company/person who can achieve technology advancement as they promised, unless they are from the future.

With all due respect, that was a really crappy response and seems like he used AI to write it out

Should “autopilot improvements” say FSD improvements instead? Otherwise it sounds like basic autopilot is getting a massive upgrade which I am behind 100%

To be honest I equate it to a new model year / refresh for regular cars, where you are feature-locked because of the time you purchased it. My regret was rushing to get the MYLR in Dec of 22 when there was a $7500 instant credit, before the prices dropped out in January and February. If I recall, HW4 didn't hit the US till almost midyear of 2023 so at that point it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

"Seems like"??? Do you see AI writes sentence with multiple grammar errors? If you don't like the answer, then you just dont like the reality, and still lives in your fancy dream

Which is why I'm hopeful there is a retrofit option being planned that could leverage the lower resolution cameras with newer HW board.

Agreed, and why I said earlier that I've made peace with that. At this point I'm just going to keep our car till Juniper 2.0 is fully baked and then upgrade. My wife is going to hate not having the gear stalk so that's going to be something we will have to manage.

Yeah we'll see about that.

Same! FSD is the worst, I refuse to use it on the highway.

It still gets updates for features the hardware supports, but yes. I'm also wanting a HW3 upgrade (I paid for it with car).

This is already there with version 13. It's just a max speed cap though. Can adjust with the scroll wheel.

Agreed, it seems like it should be so easy to bring back the minimal lane change setting

Full self driving implies its unsupervised.

Then there is no Tesla that has achieved it, why only blame HW3?

I hope this fixes the jerking in stop and go traffic.

Then Tesla needs to make it right for customers if they're selling Full Self Driving which is not Full Self Driving.

Well. They said they would.

Exactly this, we shouldn’t have to purchase a whole new car to get what was sold to us under false pretense. It’s outrageous anyone could even disagree with this point.

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This may get dragged out a very long time. And yeah definitely not upgrading because of HW4 when it's not proven HW4 is going to be sufficient and they're already working on version 5 and 6 of the AI chips.

FSD is a mode of Autopilot.

Or Cybertruck

Sounds like more of a self-control problem.

FSD is the feature that was marketed and sold. HW is simply an implementation detail of that feature. If the implemention of the feature doesn’t match what was sold, then it’s Tesla’s responsibility to refund or rectify the implementation. This is the risk Tesla is accepting when selling features before the implementation matches the marketing.

Tesla never marketed that it's selling an FSD that is fully working, unless you never read what the description said. If you think you were marketed as a fully working FSD, and it's not working, you may sue Tesla.

Well, I don't know they know which hardware they are going to upgrade folks to... AI4 or AI5. It makes sense to wait a bit to see.

Do any of these changes affect users who are sticking with Standard Autopilot?

is there any improvement to basic AP?

"Added alerting for residue build-up on interior windshield that may impact front camera visibility. If affected, visit Service for cleaning". Interesting.. In the last 1.5 years or so my car has been disengaging literally anytime sun hits the front windshield. I wonder if that is why..?

My 2023 M3 is obsolete

Someone needs to disable FSD and see if autopilot is improved

One of the testers needs to disable FSD and see if autopilot is improved

Even 12 sucks on HW3 - you get these low frequency oscillations in speed that are annoying as hell, I'm assuming it's because the CPU can't keep up and is trying to adjust.

I wonder if that’s a difference between Intel Atom HW3 and AMD HW3.

We are in an age of planned obsolescence. Just like a cell phone, 2 years old and you are old news.

I bought FSD and paid in full with my 2020 Model 3. A promise to upgrade if I needed it, but she's about to turn 6.

New owner with fsd trial. I don’t know if this is possible, but it would be great if hitting left on the scroll wheel moved from … standard > chill > sloth > auto steer > cruise control. That way I can mitigate the lane change issue

They actually specifically mentioned hardware haha “All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware” was originally published October 19, 2016. https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-stating-all-cars-have-self-driving-hardware/

I’ve got an intel hw3 2020y and I’d only trust it to drive my enemies around.

I have a Model S with a hitch mount and use it to haul bikes. It sucks having to disable FSD due to the bikes blocking the rear camera. Basic lane keeping is horrible.

This 1000000000 times

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If I sell you a smartphone with an upsell feature called “Mind Machine Interface” and promise you that it has the hardware to read your mind but the software isn’t there yet - would you or would you not expect that when the software becomes available that it would able to read your mind? All the pedantic nonsense in the world doesn’t change that “Your car has all the hardware needed to become fully self driving” and then “ooooooops you actually need a new car if you really REALLY want full self driving” is a piss poor customer experience. “Ok, but your HW2.5 vehicle with full self driving (supervised) can’t be upgraded because physics how dare you expect it be full self driving” I mean… sod off.

If I believe what you said, and would like to bet that this will be implemented, I will buy, but since I know when I buy it's not available yet, I wont bet it will deliver at a specific timeline, unless the contract says so. If buy something that you don't even know, and now ask the company that sells you to achieve something that they never committed in the contract, then maybe you should check why you purchased it.

I’m just waiting for a good enough deal and I’ll transfer my Fsd to a new car. 2018 model 3.

I just want reduce lane change 😔

There's a reason that they call it the sunk cost fallacy.

Does this add updates for the visualiser to accurately display traffic lights in New Zealand ?

Agreed. The fact you have to put the car in Park to switch back into FSD mode seems pointless.

The other thing that is annoying is when the car moves back to the slow lane (instead of staying in the passing lane) even though there’s another slow car in front of the car that was just passed. Edit: No manual speed control with this version is going to be extra interesting.

Yep! I hate how it drives.

Autopilot hasn’t changed since 2018

This

As a Tesla shareholder I thanks you and hope for your continued support to enjoy the new fsd by buying a new tesla.

🦥 mode ftw

I still have not gotten the update. :(

Elon said he was going to retrofit

I’m not holding my breath to be honest

FSD is a completely different code base lol. It’s not a mode of Autopilot. They’re so different that the code for Autopilot could be from a different company than FSD, if Tesla didn’t exist.

I'm on FSD 13.2.9 in my Cybertruck, I'm able to control my speed. IIRC there is a setting you need to toggle, then you get the ability to control the speed with the scroll wheel again. "automatic set speed offset"

Is there a timeline when the rest of us will get this update? I’m sitting here having to park my own car in our driveway. Cmon man.

If they don't upgrade the older cars, they get the shit sued out of them.

I don't disagree, lets see what happens. A new update for AMD HW3 build just dropped today, 2025.38.

Same! Im at 32.6

Its branding, FSD is branded under the Autopilot menu, and they've called it Autopilot with Supervised FSD

Cries in both HW3 and EU :(

The v14 build currently disables autosteer as its incomplete

“Implies” is the problem. Was there any signed agreement between you and Tesla? 😉

Yes I needed service for this on my 2023 last year.   So like it probably needs done yearly at least.

Same here

My hw3 had the ultrasonic sensors and lidar bat worked better in fsd in hindsight when it comes to road cones ect. I upgraded to a model Y last November!

lol the good deal would have been the tax credit.

Still no blind spot indicator?

Is this being pushed to everyone?

why?

People tend to rationalize continuing a bad decision because they're already deep into it. For example, "This person is a terrible spouse, but we've been together for ten years." or "I've already spent $10,000 on this, but if I quit now, I'll have nothing." It's a fallacy in that throwing more resources at a bad idea rarely makes the bad idea good. In other words: If you don't want to stay in the Tesla ecosystem because you don't feel you've been treated fairly, don't stick it out over some imagined prior investment.