You can now buy Tesla Superchargers

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I mean, you could always own them for a business.

You could never own them for a business. You could host them, now you can buy them and own them. You control the cost of energy.

Did your buddy share how much each one costs?

Curious about price and ongoing fees. I am interested in installing at the parking lot of my own business, if that's reasonable.

I wonder how much it would cost to get the site setup to power these things. Minimum purchase of four, and I have a part of my property I could set these up as a small rest area.

So your buddy paid about $516,000. The chargers are about $43,000 per unit.. not including permits, and whether or not the power hookup is large enough..

Jesus Christ that's way more than I was guessing. My guess was $3-5k 😂

So... Is there some ROI calculation on this too? :D

He did but you might have to get that one from Tesla

Booo. Just answer the question.

How much do tesla charge for the ongoing maintenance and stuff? Flat fee, per time, or do they take a cut of the revenue?

Why won’t you just answer? Lol

Because I didn’t buy them? I was just sharing you can buy them now I’m not sure if he said it was for the site or per port

They charge $.10 a kWh

Higher than that. DCFC are expensive!

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Does he think he will make money back on this?

It’s definitely more than that.

They are more than that. Per unit. It’s 4 nozzles and a power unit but more than $43k per unit

I get not givings specific numbers but installed we talking closer to 60k per unit or higher or closer to 45k installed per

He will get his money back per ROI calculator within 2.5-4 years. He’s in California so cost of electricity is a lot higher but usage is also better there

Higher per unit and then You have to factor installation. Each port, not going off supercharger but look at any other DCFC charger to be installed (talking California) and you’ll see most chargers cost 40-50k to install per port. Not including utility costs

Not sure why I’m getting flamed in these comments, I was just sharing this info. Logging off good luck

And tesla is much cheaper than all the others, like alpitronic etc

Utility fees will eat you up

A while ago just for fun I looked up what it would cost to own "ANY" level 3 charger and found some random 50KW chargers on Alibaba for under $5000. The real expensive part is getting a commercial electrical contractor who knows what they're doing and a setup from the utility, permitting from the county and all that stuff. That said I recently moved to an area(near a major interstate) that's a bit of a supercharger deadzone(closest one is 15+ minutes away), but plenty of strip malls with giant parking lots so I hope that more strip mall owners get into the business. Awesome news.

Absolutely not. You can’t just buy a dc charge from alibaba 😂 they have to be UL listed before any AHJ gives you a permit. No way you can install that here. Very illegal.

You’re getting flamed because there’s no legitimate reason to hide the cost and your justification for hiding the cost also doesn’t make sense which is causing more flaming. I’m not here to flame you just trying to answer your question directly. You’re hiding it like it’s some industry secret which is causing people to downvote you and get frustrated.

It's because you claim to have knowledge about things like price that people are asking you questions about, but you said you are refusing to answer. That makes people question everything about your motivations for posting this.

Does this include projected increases in foot traffic to his business, or is it based purely on the EV charging fees?

I noticed this is only for V4 SC peds. I would be much more likely to support Urban chargers for tge applications most in need of private funding right now.

I am in a low utility cost state. Commercial electricity rate is less than 10 cents per kwh

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That’s not how high load commercial power works. When you need access to high load - like, multiple cars charging at 200kW, you get charged based on that load, not how many kWh you use.

I don't know that part, currently I am paying like 5-6 cents for my business

That’s the difference between commercial as in “you have high power needs” and “I just have an office that needs to keep the lights on”.

Some utilities charge commerical rates for both how much you use but for also how big the service is. It's called Demand Charges. AKA not only how much water you use a month but also for how big of a pipe they had to have at any time to meet that peak demand.

The Urban setup was discontinued years ago. It doesn’t have a lot of advantages over a V3.5 install anyway unless you only want 2 posts. The power requirements per post are only somewhat higher (300kW+ for 4 posts vs a little under 400kW for 4 posts). And the V3.5 setup has longer cables and much better power sharing, since it can dump all its power into 1-2 posts instead of hard-splitting.

I was quoted $50k per stall, minimum of 4 stalls. Just hardware.

I know commercial and industrial power rates are cheaper in WI than residential. Is that not the case everywhere?

I wonder how these with free supercharging see these. Does Tesla cover the costs or are they fully considered third party

I’m sure that Alibaba charger comes with an authentic certificate of UL listing

Did he get them to make a profit? How long would it even take to turn a profit with those?

I have the same question… would they reroute?

That’s….. pretty reasonable

Yeah, I think the Tesla stat was that for supercharger stations \~50% was "soft costs" (permits, inspections, etc)

Especially if it's a paid parking lot, or he operates a drive through coffee shop in a supercharger desert.

But you can pre-negotiate rates if you consume enough.

I think they’re only gonna make sense for a private small investor when Tesla is gonna be able to sell them in a package with solar and megapack

Just to have ICE vehicles park and take over the space unless owners actually care about make a profit off the investment. This is also dependent on state and certain type of a$$hole in life. And this is coming from someone whose owns both and facepalm when I see an ice a$$hole parked in a ev spot.

Such a useless comment. If you don’t know just say it, but even better, just stfu. You have no idea what the facts are

The amount of extra foot traffic businesses will get is enormous. Very cool

I actually assumed that Tesla would pay you to install chargers at your business.

Definitely not in this climate. They're in crisis mode. Gotta move sales of something to counter the sales downturn. They want to see some cash.

They also charge you a lot to extend the power line to your house or buisness if the pipe isn't already big enough. It can be as much as $5 to $100k for that. Powerlines aren't cheap

While you're at it you can pick up one of those mini excavators off temu 😂😅

That seems wayyy too high but maybe it’s location dependent? My cousins had superchargers installed at gas stations they took over and they’re paying less than that. Considering how many supercharging rates ive seen in the high teen’s and low 20’s per kWh, it either has to be a percentage or a much lower flat fee

They won’t, you price all of that in.

I looked up the cost in[ Colorado (Xcel energy](https://co.my.xcelenergy.com/s/billing-payment/residential-rates/residential-plan)) and while it only costs $0.0239 / kWh which is great but the demand charge is $16.21/kW per month. Assuming a 250 kW supercharger, and you charge a model Y once (75 kWh) = $1.80 for the charge, and the utility fee for the demand charge will be 250\*$16.21 = $4,052.50 PER month. Making the net cost $1.80 charge fee + **$4,052.50 utlity fee** = $4,054.30 lol.

Definitely authentic Alibaba UL listing 😅. But is it listed on the UL website is the question.

Absolutely it is. Even in atrociously expensive electricity state like California… industrial rates are <0.10 cents regularly. Often 0.07 - 0.08 cents. Highest I ever seen was .15 cents per kWh. Residential gets absolutely screwed. Complete and utter fraud. Rates as high as 0.70 cents/kwh

The more I read about electricity prices around the country, the more I refuse to leave this area where we have $0.08/KWh 24/7.

Thanks for sharing, so assuming charging client $25 per charge (30-40 cents per kwh), it needs 176 charges to break even. avg 6 per day

EV chargers really don’t have good roi, if they did ChargePoint wouldn’t be a penny stock.

You are missing the point. If you need load (kW) NOT power (kWh) on the scale of 12x superchargers then the supplier will charge for that. They will need to be able to provide e.g. 12x100kW = over 1MW! That requires significant cabling and maybe even the next substation needs to be expanded. It’s about the diameter of the pipe, not about how much you consume. Consumers on that scale get charged by „reserved load“ in addition to „consumed power“ This isn’t going to come cheap and that’s what you guys always miss if you complain about cheap prices for industry.

tow em

as a Tesla owner in a city, please no more urban superchargers. they are insanely slow and you still have to pay to park where they are just like all the full speed SC locations.

that...is not why they are offering this

You then pay for reserved capacity, balancer, batteries and other things before you’re up and ready with the charger. 50k for only the charger hardware is quite a lot in that regard.

When I take road trips in the Midwest, I pay 35-45¢ / kwh at superchargers. My residential overnight rate 11¢.

With lint factoring in anything additional like maintenance, installation, hardware.

Call your local grid owner and ask to reserve 1MW capacity

Start a towing company and keep a tow truck on the ready

So why is that?

In the UK there are a few non Tesla Superchargers, so the owner sets the price and Tesla does the rest Tesla has been selling these for some years already https://x.com/teslacharging/status/1964077679323292063?s=46&t=qRSCEXRb5czwnmfEqUB_Nw

Theft of the cable is a thing which must make insurance not insignificant

Billions of dollars in profit every quarter and $30 billion in the bank is "crisis mode"? Lmao. You read too many politically-charged headlines.

Maybe if they own them and collect revenue from them, like with their own network. This is them selling the actual chargers to businesses so the businesses can generate revenue from them, separate from Tesla's network.

Oh. It's NOT to make money then. They're newly offering an existing product to a newly expanded market... to not earn a profit.

The reputation of the company. The brand loyalty. The long term ramifications on the future sex appeal of the company to the masses. These things are being swayed and, sure, the company could survive a GoT Winter with out selling another car, but eventually the love isn't as warm as it used to be.

Lmao. What do you not understand about making billions of profit every quarter? You've been fully tricked by these headlines. Your tribe is fooling you. Don't let them. Normal people are buying the cars and generating billions in profit for Tesla. Not everyone is obsessed with tribal politics like you are.

How did your cousin’s buy the gas station? I want to do the same

Math, not feels. I'm out. Bye.

crazy that’s about similar pricing here in california. but our residential rates are $0.28 lol

Jesus dude, I charge on 0,02€/kwh usually in Europe (last night electricity was at -0,01€/kwh).

I’m seeing ChargePoint at $10? Are they going to become a penny stock?

That is extremely cheap. Where you located?

Yeah I only don’t see how that would become profitable. People charging at a supercharger will maybe go in for a toilet break and a cup of coffee or a sandwich but are happily on their way after 10 to 20 mins. What would then be the break even point with an original investment of let’s say 500k and a maintenance fee of 10cents per kWh

I disagree. My boss has over 8,000 chargers that he collects a percentage per kWh. He’s generating over $50,000/month.

FCF fall 89% year over year to 146 millions. It is crisis mode But yeah let’s give Elon a 1 trillion package, why not

If you don't think it's profitable, then show me the math for how it wouldn't be profitable. I think you just made that up without even doing napkin math.

FCF fluctuates a lot. For example, it more than doubled in Q3 2024 compared to Q2 2024. But between Q4 2023 and Q1 2024 it went from positive $2 billion to negative $2 billion. It wasn't even negative in the most recent quarter and you're sounding the alarm as if it's a crisis? lol

8000 chargers would be a hell of a lot of capital. 50k/month isnt that significant a return for that.

They have been doing reverse splits to stay listed. Look at the max time and you’ll see a higher of $900+ a share due to reverse splits. The actual highest it ever went was $48 before the spac merger.

In fairness Charge point struggled with reliability. They had multiple issues with both their level 2 and level 3 charger hardware and they tried to build a nation wide network that literally requires chargers in the middle of nowhere. My ChargePoint level 2 charger lasted 2 1/2 years. They would not even replace it under the three year warranty. At first nobody knew that 80%-90% of charging would be at home so some of the business model calculations turned out to be way off. They have lots of great locations, but any that were leased will probably run out the lease before the adoption rate is high enough to make them profitable. For most of USA the infrastructure is well ahead of the market On the good news side The software works fairly well at this point and the super chargers are better than Electrify America first generation hardware.

How much did it cost to install 8,000 chargers? What’s the ROI on that?

SoCal has gotten close to a dollar / kWh in both superchargers and residential house rates at peak times in the worst areas

To be honest I’m unaware of the kWh cost in the US but here in the Netherlands tesla super chargers cost about 10 to 15 cents above the cost price of electricity. Meaning that if you can work with a markup of 5 to 10 cents per kWh to stay competitive with Tesla’s own supercharger network. That would mean that you need at least 5 million kWh charging at your stations before you start making a profit. At this point it’s costing you money. With an average charge of 40kwh that means 125.000 charges. If that takes 20 mins to charge you’re talking about 3 charges per stall per hour (at full capacity) x 24 hrs (again at full capacity). So indeed you are correct at 10 stalls you will have recouped the money in half a year. So there might be a profit there in the long run. This however was just looking at the stalls, not the network, the transformators etc. So is there a profit in the long run? Sure but it will take quite a long time to recoup. If you’re a big cooperation it might be interesting. Thanks for calling me out, I would have done the same haha.

Lol no worries. Thanks for walking through it! It's always useful to at least do some napkin math before just writing something off as impossible.

I fully agree.

Yes, at least in my experience. The local Swedish billionaire bought a Tesla charger in my small home town around 2014. He paid for the electricity himself and still does so it’s free. You got it on the map and was able to navigate to it but since it’s a first generation still you now have to change to slow speed charging in the navigation to get it. Fun fact, chipped my rentals back end on a rock when I used it the first time cause I didn’t pay attention enough. Of course stuff from 11 years ago might have changed but wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t put it in the system. It’s also like the Tesla slow chargers at hotels and restaurants here in Europe that shows in the navigation.

That’s bs. Portugal and Spain have some of cheapest fixed rates in Europe and “cheap” for us is 12 to 14 cents . If you go to variable rate it can go down to 6 or 7 but that’s situational

Definitely. At the end of the day, FCF is really what matters to evaluate if Tesla is profitable or not and it dropped significantly this year (especially as sales are declining). With the EV credits disappearing, we need to ensure the business model is profitable which seems not the case anymore. Starting q3 and Q4, the company might lose money again.

Net income is the profit line. FCF is heavily impacted by capex and not impacted by depreciation, and therefore is too lumpy and not really accurate for assessing true profitability in single quarters. Again, FCF was literally *negative* $2 billion in one of the quarters last year. Meanwhile, in the most recent quarter it was *positive* $100 million.

In my experience, their app sucks and they're way 2 expensive.

variable, hourly is regularly negative during summer. carging on excess pv.

Sorry to be a pedantic EE, but FTFY: > If you need ~~load~~ power (kW) NOT ~~power~~ energy (kWh) ... > Consumers on that scale get charged by „reserved ~~load~~ power“ in addition to „consumed ~~power~~ energy“ Reserved or used peak power, or a combination of used and reserved. Your point still stands. Cheers.

Which quarter(s) in 2025 did they make billions in profits?

The most recent quarter, Q2 2025.

Even if you look at net income it has been at 409M and 1172M in Q1 in Q2, down 16% based on last year due to decline in sales, decline in reg credits (that will disappear), reduced ASP… So imagine when the impact on sales when : - the 7500$ incentive will fully disappear, on the number one market of Tesla (the US) - the inflation due to the BIg Ugly Bill will hit - the continuous reduction of reg credits while other players on the market continue to gain market shares. The GAAP EPS is 33 cents, for a 330$ share price. 100x PE for a company that is loosing market share… what is priced today is full robotaxi and Optimus, but it is far from delivered country wide without a supervisor

This isn’t new. I saw it several months ago. It’s just new to this reddit

I always viewed this more as a “we want to expand the network but don’t want to invest the capital let’s see if private entities will spend some money so we can say our charging infra is the largest”

Selling stuff off now I see...

Same.

> FCF fluctuates a lot. Does it usually fluctuate > 80% YOY?

Because everyone is rushing for tax credits. Hyundai had the same "best quarter" for themselves. Same with Rivian.

fractional cents? I know nothing about industrial rates but then you close saying residential is still less than a cent a kWh so I’m confused.

That’s what the buffer batteries are for. And Tesla knows pretty much when its cars are on route and at what charge level they will arrive!

ROI is probably on the captive audience showing up to charge, less on the charge itself.

Northern Europe in Finland

He has over 300 million dollars in chargers? Got damn

Gotcha, didn’t look at the full chart. Thank you

$0. All government rebates

> That seems wayyy too high Seems really excessive to me, as a layperson, as well... like I would only expect a price that high if they were providing you with the unit for free.

Curious on the ROI - is that including increased non-sc sales or simply from charging revenue? How much is tax credits and other incentives? What's the expected useful life of these, both functional and obsolescence?

It's obviously to make money, it is not a "crisis mode" decision.

I read in one of their reports that Tesla superchargers are averaging 11 visits, per site, per day, across their entire network. So the busy sites are absolutely subsidizing the lonely rural sites.

Brilliant, closing the loop.

Crisis mode is the proper term for a company with declining sales and a polarizing CEO. Gaslight all you want about how everything's fine. Nothing to see here, but the data. They're a car company who opened a restaurant with no passion for running a restaurant chain. That's not normal behavior. They're putting the emergency safety driver in the passenger seat instead of behind the steering wheel where they would be absolutely SAFER, just because the optics wouldn't be as cool. That's not normal behavior. These aren't sound business decisions. They're trying to pivot opinion with gimmicks, which is what you do in crisis mode when you're not thinking things through and pander to the childish CEO whose bored with is car company and moved on to politics.

Is this a serious question? Just look up any business for sale website or magazine. Half of them are restaurants and gas stations. Most places have these free magazies at the door with these listings.

11 is good enough, since it would possibly bring customers to our business

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This helps to explain why so many car dealerships have 50kW L3 chargers.

4 posts needs ~400kW (Tesla doesn’t seem to list the exact input requirements on that page, just 387kW max DC output). You get 1MW if you multiply the individual post capacities by the number of posts, but the cabinet can’t actually saturate all its posts at once. If you look at a the transformer ratings at superchargers, you’ll only see 1000kVA+ units used as 12+ stall sites.

But mW is less than kW? I’m assuming you meant MW, but it’s confusing since you capitalize Watt but not the prefix for mega

Yes I obviously meant megawatt

Not to mention the upstream electrical infrastructure to run them

Which would explain why Walmart has committed to installing chargers at most of their 5,000 locations by the end of the decade.

I’m sure

Alright, so call them and reserve 0.5MW capacity. Point is that the installation of the actual pos and transformers are usually the cheaper things

Thanks for correcting, non-native speaker, I looked them up specifically to get it right but dictionaries aren’t a good place for such terms :)

Your math is way off man. You’re installing a million dollar + system for super fast charging, you get to charge a premium on that. As an example the average charge for a supercharger is $.54 / kWh

Username checks out

Someone suggested they install a singld supercharger in their buisness office rather than set it up as a huisness. My argument is that is likely going to be a bad idea unless you set it up as a public use.

yeah, I’m subscribed to all the news later every Website (loopnet, buybizsell) … just haven’t been able to successfully find anything I thought maybe random guy on Reddit had some tidbits

You can’t you have to buy 4 at a time

Interesting. They are about the most common things. So, depending on the area you are interested in, if it has some population of Indians, find an Indian store and their local listings. They are really into buying gas stations since it's a very steady income business.

yes, I’m trying to be friendly with store owners. Every time I go in a gas station and I always ask! Seems like a close knit community..

Been waiting for this..

I think it's their electrical service that limits a lot of them to 50kW. They will generally not make a huge electrical upgrade.

I had a ChargePoint home flex in my garage for one year. Then suddenly wouldn’t connect to wifi and after 3+ hours on the phone with them I said enough is enough. Give me a refund. I don’t want a new one of these. They actually did refund me and I just got a $485 check from them. Now I have a Tesla one

I imagine they're like gas stations. The core concept is considered a public service instead of a product so it stays afloat through subsidies and alternative income streams.

Tesla has been profitable literally every single quarter for the last 5 years, with the profit for most quarters being in the billions. Also, what you said about those other companies isn't true. For example, Rivian had lower profit in the most recent quarter than any of the 3 previous quarters. And by the way, they have never had a profitable quarter. Their net profit is always negative. Nice try, but you're ignorant.

Their charging infra quite literally is the largest, and that's just with the chargers that they own. They're obviously very willing to spend capital, but if other businesses can make charging even more widespread than Tesla can alone, then obviously that's a good thing.

Tesla lets you install the wall chargers in a commercial install, essentially. I have 16 of them installed at a hotel. I worked through a tesla partner, I dont think they'd care if I plug them: https://www.jsassociates.com/ I can send you pics and details from the business side if you wanna hit me up.on chat.

Way less costly than what's being discussed here too. Less than $1k/per charging station on the charger itself, pedestal and install all additional.

Got to learn from the gas stations. You don’t make the money of the charging, you make it of the cigarettes and lotto tickets!

If the chargers were used non stop, the resale revenue would be roughly $6.3M. So theoretically a 20% capacity site with a margin of about 5% would bring in $63k a year, or break even in about 8ish years. As a business that's about middle of the road. And there's probably a chance resale electric rates are more like 50% margin than 5%.

Nice try, socalecsp sales team

That’s amazing. What country? Is that the typical rate for everyone, or do you have some special arrangement. I pay 14 cents in NC USA, which works out to be about 1/3 cost of gas for a comparable ICE sedan.

To all the people negative on this topic (basically: total costs make it a a non-starter) we have to accept the simple fact that there are a large and growing number of privately owned Tesla superchargers out there. All those businesses already ran the math of total install and operational costs, and decided that it was worth it. A key factor is not to be that the charger needs to generate profit by itself. Cost neutrality would be a perfectly acceptable goal, if it increases your business’ bottom line. If you ever charged at a fast food place on a road trip, and ate at that restaurant, then this is pretty obvious to you. Can you be profitable putting Tesla superchargers in an isolated spot? I don’t see many of those so that doesn’t seem to be the motivation. Besides, if you did, McDonald’s would pop up next to you and say thanks, sucker.

I’m in Finland, to my knowledge Northern Sweden has the same prices through Nordpool. I’m on the spot price so I pay what the market says. My apartment electricity bill is about 10-15€/month.

I applaud your country’s investment in power generation and infrastructure. That’s truly remarkable.

Might as well assume I work for Tesla too 👍

Disagree. “Energy deregulation will be the largest transfer of wealth in history” - buffet

Not sure how your comment applies. Putting in a supercharger does not make you a deregulated market leader. You’re basically providing a “gas pump”, you are not becoming Exxon/Mobil or SCE. Also he has a preference for Regulated Markets: Buffett has historically favored regulated markets because they offer a more predictable and stable return on investment. In a regulated monopoly, the utility is guaranteed a certain return on the capital it invests, as long as it adheres to the rules set by regulators.

neither does gasoline lol. Stations make money off selling other products.

You absolutely can make money on the chargers, I don’t understand how that’s confusing? You buy energy at y amount and sell it for x.

They are NOT Tesla branded. You can put your own logo on them. So that should be the answer.

I'd assume so, but would the trip planner auto route those users to them without notice? >Feature your charging site on our in-car map and Tesla drivers can be automatically routed to charge at your business when navigating with Trip Planner.

Same goes for movie theaters only making money off concessions. EV chargers don’t usually have concessions so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with your comment.

"never going to be a profit center" now being sold as a profit center for others which means 2 parties are profiting on it.

telsa chargers are better than all other EV chargers. Still seems expensive, but definitely a better investment than the crap chargers that everyone else had to use for so long.

If your usage is unpredictable then you cost by max draw so they charge you by max draw.

all you have to know are watts (power) and joules (energy). are those standard metric units not standard?

There is a difference if tesla owns the charger and is renting your land. In this case you are profiting from people using the charger.

You're not paying for electricity, you're paying for a service. Cost of electricity is irrelevant since you can't just get on your phone and buy a chunk of it and have it show up in your car magically.

Buy the level 3 charger and install it only if you can supply power to the charger. Otherwise, it is another decoration on a parking lot. You need to have access to the electrical infrastructure, which is difficult to obtain. Your business will need to be operating in a specific commercial area.

The only way I see actual money being made is if there’s a big solar installation with battery storage. After all that is paid off then it’s 100% profit. I feel like every huge shopping complex property owner should be building these out. Huge megapack storage system with solar panels covering the entire parking lot and roof of buildings if it makes sense. Then the property owner can provide electricity for the buildings (providing uninterrupted power for grocery stores and enough to power EVs. At least out in California where electricity is crazy expensive these on site power sources could make a lot of revenue for property owners.

They are good for businesses that want to drive extra business, like a restaurant that is far from any other super chargers. ROI is based on your markup over electricity cost * traffic flow. Less ~$15k/location plus $43k/charger

I’ve heard terror stories of Tesla not paying property owners over the years. Not sure if it’s still an issue though

fiy 1mW is a measure of one mili-watt, you most likely meant 1MW Mega-watt

My Tesla chargers have just worked with a just couple reboots in 8 years.

Not too shabby, with a national average of 0.3$ per Kw and level 3 charge rate of 250kw, that’s 75$ an hour. Tesla takes 25$ so 50$ net per hour ( ignoring other overhead). So at 15% usage ( about 3.6 hours of charging a day) you recoup your cost in roughly 8 months. The average service life is about 12 years so you get 11 years and 2 months of service in the green. Those next 11 years would net you just over 1 million $ considering steady 15% usage and stable energy costs. That is per charger too. - numbers are from ChatGPT

lmao some of the NEVI funded companies paid $250k+ per stall.

It's not hard to follow the conversation. Original comment said EV chargers don't have a good ROI, which they don't. But Neither does traditional refueling stations, it's just used as an attractant for other commerce. It's not a surprising or uncommon concept. Which is why Walmart is adding charging stations and many other businesses will likely as well. It's worth it for Tesla to have standalone charging stations because they need to build and maintain a good network to help push car sales, but the station isn't really about the ROI on actual charging.

It’s still robbery, but I understand how they get there: the allocations of fixed vs variable costs. An industrial buyer has a HV interconnect. It’s expensive to put in, but they buy a huge amount of power. That cost can be easily amortized over the life of the connection. Residential consumers don’t use very much, but have a maintenance nightmare that they’re paying for — the distribution infrastructure. Just looking at the last step: the pole pig on your local power line might be $6k, plus the install. That a major cost to bear with the $0.05 additional margin typical in my area. ~150MWh delivered to break even. The distribution network has all the costs associated with wind damage, installs, maintenance, sales/billing, disputes, arrears, etc., but doesn’t have the usage to make up for it.

Problem is routing. If the cars don’t auto route to your business, you might not see additional visitors. Dwell time would increase, but your business would have to monetize that.

You know you have to count distribution fees.

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This doesn't include the retail values. I have to imagine having an EV charger in one's parking lot will account for some amount of sales for the store where it is parked.

Yes, I was just stating it's not a loss leader to get people shopping. It too can generate positive flow.

Apparently owners of Superchargers (or the land they are on) pay Tesla $5 per charge session. So if the charge session is <$5, they are losing money before even paying for the power.

Not all municipality owned electric companies charge for distribution (covered by municipality taxes).

Forgot tax, downtime, maintenance, utility fees, and insurance.

Someone should make a more economical version of this business model that doesn't have a half million dollar price tag

The same thing happened to me and they sent me a replacement unit. The replacement unit has lasted longer than the original one with no issue.

Easy work then, sign the $250k+ contract and call Tesla. Pocket the difference.

lol if only I knew who to bribe to get one of those. Tesla gets $25k per stall when some random company who’s never owned or operated an EV charger before gets $250k+ a stall. I’ve seen 300k before. The tesla figures seem right based on their quotes here and cost sharing provisions in NEVI. $250-300k a stall is bonkers

What an awful business model. Gas stations are not considered a public service.

Is this for US only?

Six years with my Tesla charger so far with one reboot and one time where my wife didn't plug it in enough and triggered our fuse. That's been about it. Otherwise it just works.

>EV chargers don’t usually have concessions I’d argue that. So far most companies building out charging networks haven’t been in the business of concession sales (they’ve been in the business of car sales, or charger sales), so they’ve simply placed their charging locations conveniently near other businesses with amenities. However, if you were in the business of trying to make money off of vehicle refueling, EV chargers would be one of the best options out there - what other refueling method gives you a captive customer for 20-30 minutes? Gas stations make money on concessions, and their customers only need to stay for 3-5 minutes, to refuel their vehicles. Place an EV charger next to a business you own, and you now have 12+ captive customers for your business, for at least 20-30 minutes each. Find out a way to design a business that can take best advantage of having a captive customer for that period of time, and you have a great potential business model! It’s the same deal for movie theaters, amusement parks, and airports - it’s all about the captive consumer!

Why?

Safe is true for gas stations

In my area the transformer hardware for one megawatt is $114k comes with up to 100 feet of wire. Then they charge like $68k every 200 feet from a power pole to your setup. For that cost I hope they will at least trench it for you. You would also need parking lot costs and things like drainage and trenching from transformer to chargers. https://www.sce.com/sites/default/files/custom-files/PDF_Files/Attachment-A-Unit-Cost-Guide-2025_Final.pdf

Great move for Tesla! I thought there were reports that Elon fired the entire team working on supercharger?

Not true, gasoline has enough margin where 1 station typically nets 150k+

Crap, Like everything coming from US car manus.

I’m curious how many super charger stations we see are genuinely paid for by Tesla and not by businesses - and concrete sources to show it lolol

Thats including the convi store side of things, car washes, etc.. The gasoline itself is only roughly 30% of that. Maybe like 40k in profit from the gasoline sales alone is normal. Which considering that operating costs of the gasoline pumps (buying fuel, maintenance, etc.) Is in the millions (though ig so is revenue), is really not that good. If your dependent on gasoline alone, a single bad season would bankrupt you, and bad seasons happen all the time.

8 years and 2 different house installs and it’s never even burped. Nacs should be standard for all us ev

Clueless you are. Teslas hardware is half the cost and has 10x more demand than ChargePoint lol. You will see

Not teslas

It’s half the competitors bozo

EV chargers are not going to be the same kind of revenue generators that oil companies are though. Ev chargers are more similar to the companies that sell the pump handle to gas stations. Sure there is some emoney, but unless you run everything off solar and battery and the energy is 100% profit, EV chargers arent going to be huge money makers.

A normal 150kW charger installation is about 65 000 - 80 000€ for the whole installation, everything included. Charger itself is about 25 - 30.

There are huge returns if you understand what you need to do will I give the internet months of work no sorry but you all don’t understand how the economy works if you don’t see the value go to Wall Street and learn