CNCDA added hybrids to their Q2 report and Tesla still keeps the top 2 slots

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So Model Y still outsells ALL the other non-Tesla ZEVs put together in this list. And that is after the sales have cratered for Tesla. My question would be - given Cali, why are other ZEVs struggling there?

Another thing I noticed, YTD thru June Rivian dropped more than Tesla. As a RIVN stockholder, WTF. RIVN should be all over the market being lost by Tesla's downfall. Why isn't R1S filling the gap being left by MY. This is really bad from Rivian.

I don't believe they are struggling, when Tesla makes up a huge chunk of all ZEV's and they take the biggest seller (Model Y) way below peak production for 3-4 months YTD it caused ZEV's to "struggle" while people waited for the new one to ramp up. It was a planned reduction in production to ramp the new version. I'm now seeing new Model Y every time I go driving here in San Diego. They're selling like crazy.

Because an 80 thousand dollar plus truck/SUV is not replacing a 50k crossover.

Right, but still. They can give discounts or something. But their numbers are NOWHERE NEAR Tesla's

But why'd people just not buy other ZEVs while Tesla is paused is my question. Californians are craaaazy about ZEVs, so they should just eat up what others are cooking

Up until recently they only produced models that start around the $70k mark for their lowest trim R1T. Maybe they’ll be more competitive with the Model Y market with the introduction of the R2 which starts at $40k, but after test driving an R1T, I found that only being able to use their FSD features on select roads to be a very limiting factor for the vehicle and their sound system is on par with an ‘89 Nissan Sentra. It sucks because I like their design and interior so much better than any Tesla (especially the Cybertruck) but those were deal breakers for me.

Fair. TBH, despite being a letdown when compared to its own expectations, Tesla's FSD, despite being vision is head and shoulders above any other cars. I have driven many (but not Rivian), and Tesla is on another level. Of course, nowhere near their own aim, but compared to other cars. I don't know about Chinese cars though, maybe they are superior in self-driving. I don't know if Rivian's system is in-house or off the shelf. NN-based or hard-coded, these things are a money sink, and likely Rivian simply doesn't have the resources. I am actually looking forward to VW's Scout (?) brand, let's see how they do.

I’d really like to see if the BYD lives up to the hype, but I’m American and will probably never even see one in person.

Y'know, I think I should rent it some time. Not a bad idea.

Coz they suck

Bad product and overpriced. Rivian is fast approaching its great filter moment.

Hyundai already testing an Ioniq 2 and they didnt even sell 10k Ioniqs? Jeez

In what sense. Just curious to know. I always thought of Rivian as the little Tesla. Overpriced, I guess I can understand, it's expensive.

From what I understand BMW electric offerings are good, no?

Bmw yes. But very expensive