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I really want other manufacturers to start thinking ahead about this. Tesla supercharging queue is not really a problem yet, and definitely not a problem here in Australia, but they already think much further ahead with their vertical integration to do this without any significant challenges. Other manufacturers without their own charging infrastructure will be struggling if not impossible to deploy this. Consumers should demand this from them.
Interesting... There's a charger near me that they opened up to other EVs and it's a complete shit-show. Witnessed multiple screaming arguments after someone jumped the line. Ironically, there's another supercharger 3 minutes drive away that is Tesla only and almost always completely empty, so I just started going there to top up in peace. They actually reversed one of the open to all superchargers on my route home and made it Tesla only again because of a similar situation.
I’d like to know how the queue system works. And will there still be line cutters even though they aren’t next in line.
Someday you'll be able to jump out at a nearby restaurant and let your car drive itself to the charger, queue by itself, recharge by itself, and come back when it's done
Damn it’s as if other EV’s don’t want to use teslas supercharger lol
If you plug in, it won't let you charge and tell you to wait your turn, likely.
The system would have to refuse to charge them to make it effective.
Is it because of the weird parking that non Tesla’s end up taking 2 parking spots (meaning a Tesla can’t back into an adjacent parking spot to charge their car since the non-Tesla is using that charger while the charger in which they are parked in remains unused?). I do occasionally see a non Tesla (usually a Rivian). I would be annoyed if there were no other charging spots available with that happening. But it hasn’t occurred. Other car manufacturers should be building out their own charging networks instead of leeching off Tesla’s. I know they can’t and don’t have to reach the scale of Tesla’s but they should be making the effort. Not to mention the non-Tesla drivers are so anti-Tesla but love using the superchargers.
Tesla should require other manufacturers to put the charge port in the right spot to use a supercharger before opening up access.
Yup, that doesn't help. It's a V3 so short cables. I don't have an issue with other EVs using superchargers in theory, so long as they'e V4s and don't block spaces. I'm in the UK and energy costs went nuts recently, most charger networks were like 90p per kWh where as even for other EVs Tesla was half that and less for Tesla owners. Thankfully we're coming back to normality, back to like 26p per kWh but that's still more than double the 10p per kWh we were at in 2020 when I got my first M3
Is this in California? That’s the only place I’ve heard of there being a wait. I’m in the Midwest.
Timing is everything. I’ve waited over 30 mins at a charger in Dayton OH on a Sunday evening. Usually on the weekend chargers can get nuts in large Midwest cities like Chicago, Cleveland and others.
I've seen several people that can't even do that correctly in cars like the Mach-E and Bolt. They park completely sideways and take 3 or 4 spots instead of just 2. It's crazy that even newly released or announced cars (like the Leaf) don't even have the port in the correct place to easily charge at superchargers.
I volunteer to be cryofrozen. Defrost me when it’s a thing
Driver Rear or Passenger Front.
I'm all for a penalty system. If you cut, a giant warning pops up telling you to manually start the charge, and you accept paying the highest tier rate in addition to a surcharge of $1/kWh per car you cut in front of. Cut in front of 10 people? $10.32/kWh.
It should alert the queue skipper that they can charge first only if they agree to cover in full the person who was next in line. This way the people who demand to charge first can still go first, and they cover the charge costs of both cars. So the person who was skipped will be happy to get a free charge.
I'm not for that. Someone with more money should not just get to cut the queue. I would just make it so you're in a queue and you get assigned a charging spot. The charger won't charge if you are out of order.
I'm in Colorado and I don't charge a lot since I WFH and charge at home, but the few times I've needed to (even in smaller cities/towns) I've never had to wait.
London, UK
I’ve had to wait 9/10 times going back and forth from NJ/PA.
Price hikes were always the plan. I got heavily downvoted years ago for saying that the cheap electricity isn’t going to last. As the demand goes up, so will the prices. Many states have already canned a lot of their EV incentives and are even charging extra to replace the gas tax. Most of the free chargers are gone.
It should charge a fee for every minute wasted by cutting the line.
If that is possible I am all for it. If the system can charge the person plugged in without actually charging the vehicle
I'd downvote you now given prices are dropping rapidly. There was a very clear reason for our price hikes in Europe and that was the fact we cut off out largest source of gas from Russia after lutein went full Hitler and instead started shipping gas in on in boats from Qatar and the USA. I'll concede the free chargers point though.
Shit I'd be happy if they put the charge port on the driver rear in the UK for right hand drive cars.
I love it. Selfish rich assholes can subsidize my power costs.
Right now most charging networks are in the phase of growing their user bases. Once it’s saturated, rates will go up. Demand is also going to outpace supply.
No one would dare skip in front of a Hummer EV and its ~ 200-250kWh pack.
In defense of the Mach-e. Tesla cables are really short and some of the spots have stuff blocking them from getting close enough. The front of the Mach e almost has to touch the station. Tesla short cable designs a self inflicted wound as it was short sighted as it was clear they planned on opening up the network. They could solve a lot of problems by putting on a longer cable
The Wisconsin dells one was a shitshow this past weekend. :)
yeah they know consumers can tolerate up to petrol level… later on they can claim EV is premium thus costs more to fuel
This is precisely why it makes so much sense to self-generate via solar, even with a big up front cost that will take time to recoup. People who had $50 power bills 10 years ago still don’t realize their current $500 power bill is going to be $1500 before too long.
much needed
If you cut and plug in, it takes energy out of your car and gives it to someone else. 😄
The Tesla website literally says to park horizontally and take 3+ spaces, not to park in the adjacent single space. edit: maybe not, see below
Source?
Last item in the FAQ is "Does the Supercharger cable reach all EVs?" https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharging-other-evs#cable But I'm reading it and now I think that's actually a picture of what not to do, but it's not clear and easy to see a picture and think that's how you're supposed to charge.
I've been stuck at the Dayton Meijer supercharger several times on trips, everyone was courteous though and waited in line.
The new Leaf’s NACS port is on the front passenger side which means you can nose into a spot and use the correct supercharger. The port on the drivers side is the J1772 for AC charging (that’s a whole other issue…)
Any populated area, I've waited all over the East Coast as well. Usually not too crazy, especially with newer chargers that have less power sharing.
My time is more valuable than a couple bucks of free electrons; I’d still be mad. They should not be allowed to charge, and start racking up onerous idle fees, like $5 for the initial connection and $5 every minute they don’t move.
Unfortunately a lot of the solar incentives are going away as well. Even though the tech has become more efficient and cheaper, it keeps getting more expensive. Companies still price in the incentives that are now gone because they don’t want to take a hit on their profit margins.
What’s to stop someone from just taking the spot and waiting out the other persons patience? Can’t be charged a fee if you never plug in, and Tesla doesn’t have the ability to charge you without you doing so.
...and have in v4 sites. I think they plan to retrofit v3 with longer cables eventually.
Probably will need to have induction chargers realistically. I imagine the true next gen platform of Tesla cars will have them similar to robotaxi’s. Other than that everything else is just software.
During the winter blast 2 years ago it was a shitshow everywhere in the Chicagoland area. Mostly because a lot of people got their new car over the prior year and had no idea how to handle charging in the cold. So you had people driving the couple blocks they lived from the charger and then spending hours charging. Then that causes people to go to other chargers near by and flood them forcing everyone to wait in line. Also it didn't help that there was typically a couple stations down when this happened.
Conceivably, a stall could be built which could accommodate an autonomous vehicle with 10/10 accuracy. Human drivers may not be able to park correctly to the inch with consistency, but surely the robots can. You would just have to solve a whole bunch of engineering problems regarding all the moving parts and adjustments for different models and yeah we're gonna need induction huh
Than the person for who this stall was will plug into the nect available, and the one behind him as well. So the person blocking the stall needs to wait for their turn still, or wait untill its quiet again. He can block what he wants but cannot charge untill its his turn.
Join Tesla Plus! For $20/month you get priority access queuing at busy superchargers! Yeah like this won’t be a thing…
Hopefully someday they'll have plug/unplug bots or arms. Then people that live in apartments that can't install chargers could just tell their car to head to the nearest charger while they sleep. Same with sending it off to charge while you're at work.
How about the extra fee goes to the people that they cut in front of as a charging credit?
How could you know that someone is blocking a stall? If a driver fails to plug in in some time limit I’d expect them to get booted out of the queue. Maybe we let people report chargers as blocked and get a new one, but what’s to stop someone across the street eating to constantly reporting blocks until they’re ready to plug in?
When a stall is open but blocked only the person whose turn it is too charge car report it blocked? So that way no one can cheat the system. It could also ask for photographic proof
I’m pretty certain this won’t work. It’s going to create massive confusion and frustration while doing little to actually fix the queue issues. Some people are just plain nasty and selfish. No computer program is ready to handle that kind of behavior—and it’s not even rare.
If you buy a Cybercab in the near future it'll have wireless charging built in. There is no charge port.
There is virtual queuing today for Uber drivers especially around airports that have strict rules for ride share pickups. I would guess it'll work in a similar way.
I think it could work. If you can't charge until you're allowed to, it would quickly change behavior.
That’s gonna be awesome
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Comments like these is why the Internet sucks right now. No one cares about your opinion. It's not going to change reality. Deal with it
To be fair, the supercharger network in the UK is probably 5 years behind USA
Oh wow. I’m from suburban Chicago and driven to Milwaukee, Louisville, Indianapolis and Des Moines and have never had to wait once.
I have an Ariya and the CCS1 is where the Leaf’s NACS port will be. Super easy to park normally with Teslas and charge without disrupting anything. I’ve watched cybertrucks struggle more.
In what way? Plenty of chargers and we have V4s here too.
I could be wrong but for the amount of land and POI’s, there is much more likelihood of congregation near London than anywhere else. England is the size of Illinois, the state I’m from for example. And this isn’t a muscle size comparison, I don’t mean that. I just mean that the infrastructure is much different here regarding population and attractions, therefore causing people to spread out in different ways. If I left Chicago, my personal “London” there are thousands of cities and Superchargers I could go to where I could guarantee no wait with plenty of attractions. Could you do that with London? Idk, that’s why I’m asking. But my point was that in my entire Midwest region, that has a lot of large cities, I’ve never had to wait once that’s all.
It's still pretty rare to need to wait to charge here, even in London they just add more stalls when capacity gets tight. When I got my first Model 3 in 2020 there were 2 local superchargers, one with 4 stalls and one with just 2 stalls. Interestingly they were right sized at the time as there was never a wait but as the 3 landed here and sales exploded they just upsized them. The 4 stall one moved in the same parking lot and is now 12 stalls, and the 2 stall one moved a quarter mile away and also got 12 stalls. There are 26 total superchargers in the London area with about 320 individual connectors. Remember even though London is much denser with >9m people it's also rare for people to drive in the city itself due to congestion charges, plain slowness of traffic, and extensive public transit. The chargers that do tend to have waits are the ones on the edge of the city right next to major highway as people stop to top up ahead of a long drive, they have the largest sites with 16-36 stalls on average. Even then I can still count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait to charge in 5 years of ownership. The only times there have been waits recently are at those sites they've opened to other EVs (not all superchargers are here) and it's usually due to stupidly positioned charge ports meaning you've got KIAs blocking 2 spots charging on the wrong side.
Imagine if we could also put those cars on rails, and have other people care for them when you are not using it. And maybe put everything in tunnels under the city so we can have more space for more restaurants and less parking space. We won't even need to own our own car!
Someone else will finish their session and the other person will go there. The queue-jumper will have to wait for the exact time he would wait anyway.
It won't, because very busy superchargers are rare and nobody will see the value.
They control the chargers, they can make it work.
> My time is more valuable than a couple bucks of free electrons; I’d still be mad. Maybe, but many things have a price. Let me set a 'make me move'/'take my place' rate. Potential line jumpers can pay me the amount I set to go ahead of me. Some people might be fine with $5/min. I am willing to bet some people would be happy to sell priority access time to those who do not want to wait. The more you value your time, the more you are willing to pay...or demand to be paid.
Ive never waited for a supercharger in the UK or France.
In theory, it might work. In reality, you've got non-Teslas taking up two spots to charge, and self-entitled Karens refusing to move because “they were there first” and think they have the right to stay. Tesla can build a virtual queue however they want—but whether you'll actually be able to charge when it's your turn? That’s a whole different story.
Would all the people behind you also get paid by that person if you let them cut ahead? You’re not just letting them cut in front of you, but also letting them charge before everyone behind you. If someone let another car cut in front which made me wait longer, and then I find out the person who let the car go ahead was getting paid for affecting my trip, we’d have some _serious_ words.
That really only happened because all those people were trying to treat their EV like a gas car, and their local supercharger like a gas station.
Ahh ok. Appreciate the response. If Cybertrucks get allowed there, will that be a problem with congestion and the road size?
Cybertrucks won't be allowed here. They don't come close to meeting European pedestrian safety requirements, the front end would need a complete redesign. No person in their right mind would try and drive one around London on the daily, we do have some mid-size trucks here like the Toyota Hilux and Ford Ranger though they're generally not owned by people in London. We have a bunch of [width restrictions](https://maps.app.goo.gl/sE3kxY5BY3RcMnJR6) that are either 6'6" or 7' wide to keep commercial vehicles out of certain areas so you'd end up going the long way around a bunch of the time, it'd be a bloody stupid decision for most people. Climate also means anyone who needs that kind of commercial vehicle is generally better served by a panel van like a Ford Transit or a Mercedes Sprinter type.
Probably the fair answer is by giving up your spot you go to the end of the line, and the other party gets billed for your entire expected wait time at the price you said you'd accept. If the expected wait time is 30 minutes for a newly arriving car, then bill for 30 minutes. This way no one else is affected other than the person offering their spot and the person paying. It is a way to 'sell' a front row ticket to a seat. And, yes, I would expect the house to take a cut.
At the time, there had also been a huge Uber incentive for drivers to get teslas, specifically the short range M3 and with ride share increasing these cars 100% were charging at SuCs between trips. Also interesting note to why the SuCs froze around Chicago during that superfrozen week: The strong wind would blow the handle off the magnet holder, snow would build up and then freeze in the connector, expand, and break them. As well that was happening and then whole charger banks went down because for some reason a few sites had not used the more expensive subzero liquid coolants for the charger (that they had in places like NY and Canada) and then the SuC was rendered inoperable until the temps picked up. That was a rough 4 days.
This would encourage line campers, making the supercharger congestion problem even worse. Being able to sell your spot is a terrible idea any way you slice it.
The convenient congestion fee at 80% reduced this a lot in California in my opinion. Ain't nobody want to pay $1/min.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI) 10 years ago
Yea it happens at some stations in Atlanta just after 11pm.
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