No More Superchargers on NJ Turnpike

That is absolutely insane, End result is shitter service for consumers.

Government inefficiency .

Corrupt AF local officials

That’s stupid to turn down. Idiots.

lol. guess they didn't grease the right wheels. I'd be very surprised if anyone in the gov didn't get anything from their decision.

Is this because they need attendants to plug in the cars?

No, it's actually very efficient corruption

And it's happening as early as June 6! [https://www.njta.com/newsroom/service-advisory-turnpike-service-areas-transitioning-fully-to-universal-ev-chargers](https://www.njta.com/newsroom/service-advisory-turnpike-service-areas-transitioning-fully-to-universal-ev-chargers)

Yay corruption.

This is what happens when your CEO gets involved in politics. Likely won't be the last of this. Elon shot himself in both feet. **Edit** I own a Tesla and am not in the anti Elon club.

Government buddy contracts

CEO exercises his right to freedom of speech. NJ officials retaliate using their government positions. u/Fxsx24 : That dumb CEO got what was coming to him.

Please tell me this is a joke. I know they don’t pump their own gas….

Stupid actions have unfortunate consequences.

NJ was once really EV friendly, now this and the new EV registration fee, they seem to have reversed course…

I laughed, but could totally see it.

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Lol it's only freedom of speech if you agree with said speech, amiright? 🤣

Dems are very pro-EV…but thanks to Musk, they’re now anti-Tesla. 🤷🏻‍♂️

😂

There is some absolute payola going on here. 3…2….1 until we find out the Lt Governors uncle owns a company that installs EA (or whoever) chargers

What a mess.  The best charging network in the country and being forced to relocate.

Ha! Local voters voted them into office.

And tomorrow they will all give speeches about how global warming is a threat to humanity!

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I don't agree with this decision, but there's a reason other execs tend to keep their statements on politics very tailored to their industry. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from all consequences.

In general, do you think that free speech somehow requires that no one react to what is said?

They should also remove the Chik-Fil-As. Because they’re useless on Sundays.

Freedom of speech is one thing. The doge thing created more enemies than he had prior and they are gonna retaliate against Tesla. And other musk company's. Plenty of people made a 180 when Elon got into politics.

Such is the power of the Left.

Other CEOs spew Leftist crap all of the time since they know the Left is inherently violent. The Left is a pox upon humanity.

So that explains why they built that massive supercharger station off of Exit 4.  Was always wondering why they built one with 40+ stalls which is way bigger than any of the other ones in the area.  That’s also a spot where the Turnpike and 295 are essentially next to each other, so the new routing will also encourage people to switch off of the Turnpike there since 295 isn’t tolled and they already had to get off of the Turnpike anyway to charge…

Where did I say that? Democrats and Republicans can both exercise their right to free speech and continue to convince me that the establishment is both dumb and corrupt.

>Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from all consequences. But it absolutely does mean freedom from government retaliation.

Even if it hurts something you want more ppl to do (adopt EV) ? Because believe me , whatever charging station they come up with will be infinitely inferior to a supercharger

What network is taking over?

Nope. But it does require the *government* to not retaliate.

And... that's wrong, right? Government officials retaliating against a person/company for their legal speech/government actions is wrong. Yes?

Sure sounds like tyranny and correction. NOT so free market after all.

Welcome to political corruption.

According to the Constitution and a couple of centuries of rulings, government cannot dictate what is acceptable free speech by rewarding only those that agree with the government. Any individual or company can choose not to use a product due to their speech though.

Its a whole new world, nothing he did was legal so government is sliding into a no holds barred shitshow now

They may be EV friendly, but just hate one company…

Right or wrong that's just how it is. There is no respect anymore. Look at all the pardons that Trump has done, freeing people that helped him but are corrupt. The whole system is broken. I hope Elon purchases the company that NJ hired and reclaims the locations

I've mentioned this to my husband more than once: the Chik-fil-as take up valuable space in the service areas and on Sundays when they're not open, the other restaurants are mobbed. It's a pretty horrible experience.

Yep but blame the politicians who clearly are going against Tesla for a political reason. That's a great deal to turn down though.

As opposed to the right who are always just?

You also can't be fired for certain things, but they can just say you're not fitting into company culture. The government can't retaliate against your free speech, but they can award an exclusive contract to your competitor

Musk is still a lefty. He just doesn't agree with the woke agenda. Most democrats don't, that's why the party failed disastrously. I hope they get it together because this mess just hurts everyone and the environment they claim to care about.

😂😂😂

New jersey is one of the most ass backwards states I have ever lived in. I cannot wait until my gf finishes her work contract so we can get the hell out. I have lived all over and they are some of the most inconsiderate drivers on the road and the people who design the roads are idiots.

How far off the Turnpike can they put these superchargers then?

So who’s the new provider? And will it be up and running before the superchargers are decommissioned?

[New superchargers owned by company that runs food at rest stops.](https://restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/convenience-retailer-invest-1b-food-focused-travel-plazas) Counterpoint: Tesla chargers limited access and the rest stops largest tenant wants to offer a charging network with wider access. Not denying any back room silliness, and as a rivian owner, i am truly thankful for the abundance and reliability of superchargers. But this does seem like a situation where the rest areas largest landlord is expanding their presence and probably knows how to talk to state govt bodies pretty well.

Another of the DOGE cuts?

NY Thruway did the same thing with chick fil a and sundays see the other places stupid busy

They did the same on parkway, Applegreen chargers, it’s stupid if Tesla is willing to put magic docks and decent terms and the infrastructure is already there… just why

Knowing a bit about government, they are post to solicit bids with set criteria, I assume Tesla just failed to meet the criteria and offered a lower rent than the company who won.

If I'm reading this correctly, doesn't this result in more EV charging options on the Turnpike? I'm on the NJ Turnpike fairly frequently, and I generally have to know which rest stops have Superchargers to plan in my mind where I'm going to stop. Per the site, they're adding chargers at locations that didn't have them before, and Applegreen supports Tesla. This opens up easier options for non-Tesla EVs, while allowing Tesla owners to continue charging. It just won't be the easy route planning that we're used to with the current network.

Probably uses NACS, chademo and CCS, and willing to pay more than Tesla to lease the space there. I assume a competitive bid process was used.

Sure, that’s fine. But to require that Tesla remove EXISTING charging spots that are already there, is insane. You could have any number of gradual phase-outs (like gradually take them offline as they come up for maintenance or something).

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Probably just hate one guy, honestly. Tesla should dump Elon. He’s more trouble than he’s worth anymore.

When you hate the company that is producing and selling and has more than half of all EVs on the road, and provides charging infrastructure that will be open to all EVs in the near future, then you can’t claim to be EV-friendly anymore.

Elon should pay the government officials

Is this Elon derangement syndrome or is there a legitimate reason?

EVs should not drive for free on the roads. Roads are paid for by gas taxes, it is only fair to have EV owners pay a portion of the road tax. I only have EV's, I 100% support having registration taxes higher than gas powered cars.

Sure you can. Just make it easier for the other brands to gain market share. Which is exactly what is happening. EV sales went up in EU, Tesla sales were down 54%. I own two teslas, I would get rid of them if Tesla didn't destroy the equity in my vehicles. I am upside down $20k on two cars.

Why? I would bet anything that the other EV charging companies offered them a better deal.

I guess the environment isn't such a big deal after all.

"EVs should not drive for free on the roads" dumbest shit I ever read gtfo lmfao

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Not just that, it's terrible for the environment to have initially built and now dismantle existing and working chargers.

Can you expand on why that’s dumb?

Why rip out existing chargers instead of just adding more 3rd party chargers?

100% politically motivated and equally not in the best interests of the people of NJ. Disgraceful

Yes, but the fact remains that Tesla offered to retrofit/upgrade the existing chargers to have the Magic Dock, and the state still went with the provider who renovated the rest areas makes it look bad regardless. If they decided that no new Tesla chargers would be installed going forward because they have a new partner, that is one thing, but why remove existing chargers?

lol. You think they really care about the environment?

Why should they?

Gas taxes haven’t gone up in ages for political reasons, and don’t come close to paying for road maintenance. That’s paid mostly out of general revenues which everyone pays into

We’re talking about a state where it’s illegal to pump your own gas. Making choices based on political corruption is the standard, not the exception.

Dems protest the largest EV advocate after they used to love him, but they dislike that he's trying to save the taxpayer, you and me, and actually the country, so now they're going to boycott him. Elon has saved us all more CO2 that you can shake a stick at. So much for, "BUT CLIMATE CHANGE". Most of you are mental, and really pissing off the right. I've never boycotted anything due to politics, but it looks like you have to fight fire with fire. If NJ Transit wanted to provide some competition, then the so be it. This is getting rid of competition for Applegreen; corrupt as can be, can't you see it? Sorry Applegreen, but I'll NEVER charge at one of your charge stations on the Turnpike now.

I guess global warming isn't an issue for these politicians anymore.

So so dumb, and if NJ is serious about sustainable energy and clean transportation then this isn’t defendable. Did some toll calculations and for the most part it will cost under $1 for exiting & reentering at the same toll station, but still an aggravation to need to leave the TP. I suppose there may be an added benefit of cheaper food options off the TP, but with NJ traffic it’s just more risk of delays to add time to your drive. So dumb. https://www.njta.com/toll-calculator

He’s not left or right. He’s in the elite that knows how to play the game. The only reason why he appeared to “go right” is because he’s exploiting them.

Applegreen, the company that recently renovated all the rest stops along the Turnpike. Specifically Applegreen Electric. Never heard of them. EDIT: [Ding ding ding](https://www.nj.com/news/2023/04/more-than-200-additional-electric-car-chargers-coming-to-turnpike-parkway-in-25m-deal.html) >The authority will receive 5% of gross revenues from the charging stations, which could reach up to 10% of gross revenues under certain conditions, Keller said. This is probably why. Tesla didn't budge on charging customers more and NJ wants their cut. Sad.

You don't have to know shit if you drive a Tesla...Supercharger locations are built into the NAV. Early on you had to plan a bit, but no need to do so since around 2020 or so. Hell, even then the car wouldn't let you drive outside of range of a Supercharger, as it would alert you before doing so.

most efficient us government

You picked the wrong week to start sniffing glue.

>Its a whole new world, nothing he did was legal [...] Wut? Also, courts exist. They are the appropriate forum for handling illegal activities.

>Look at all the pardons that Trump has done, freeing people that helped him but are corrupt. Pardons are a legal, Constitutional mechanism. Let's not forget Biden pardoned his own son after a judge threw out the absurd plea deal the DoJ tried to give Hunter. As I mentioned elsewhere, both establishment parties and players are corrupt. That doesn't mean we should accept it when they do corrupt things.  Maybe I misread your intention, but your original comment seemed to imply this type of activity is acceptable/ok.

By that measure the Democratic party has more issues than we think. The percentage of "elites" (millionaires and billionaires) that are democrats is staggering. Or you could believe that Elon as a Father was upset by something that he sees as a wrong doing to him as a parent and changed his stance because it affected him directly. It's like the white lady who never noticed police brutality until she had a mixed son.

So your car depreciated? That’s tough to hear. Sorry for your loss.

Tesla was offering to convert the chargers to magic dock chargers.

the idea of EV having to pay their share is fine. but take for example - in FL where i am gas tax is right now 0.37 cents / per Gal. I have a gas car too btw - so i do fill up 2x a month / 14 Gal per fill up that's $125 / yr in Gas Tax i pay , so charging a flat $250 "gas fee" for EV is not fair. the rate of tax needs to be regulated , it punishing the people who may barely drive day to day and it opens more doors for EVs to get Fk'd , like switching to an EV is suppose to be advantageous

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Literally like nearly every other car on the road, bro thought Teslas are going to hold value like a rare Porsche 😆

It works that way with restaurants on limited access toll highways. I don't see why EV chargers would be any different. *$1/kwh coming soon!*

It was never about the environment, it's about control and narrative.

Because Tesla already paid to get the power to those locations. The new company can undercut costs immensely because someone else brought the power on site already which is the most difficult part. If you add chargers, you need to add overall site power which is expensive. If you just say "hey NJ, just tell Tesla to GTFO, we'll tap into the existing supply lines (BTW thanks to Telsa for installing those!), and install our chargers for 1/3 of the normal cost"

You know what is a setback for EV goals? Doge.

If he’s that mad, sell his car and go buy some other EV. Problem solved!

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Ya AZ is letting the federal mandate expire in October to end single occupant EV passengers in HOV. Sadly, even with Elon & Trumps grifting bromance fun isn’t enough to save EVs current perks. Kinda sad. I’ll be selling my Tesla if they don’t renew or AZ doesn’t step up. I primarily bought it for HOV access to save commute time in rush hour AM/PM

Maybe Tesla owns some of that but not the important parts, I believe most of the headache is in coordinating with the power company to actually bring that much capacity to the boundary of the site. Once that's done, it's there, nothing they can do about it

Who cares what you support. You're a bot with no idea of nuance.

So you don't really drive your EV car that much?

Did you buy both cars at the same time? Curious why you have two, but sounds like you don’t like the cars?

I think it’s funny the number of people on this sub that are claiming corruption with zero evidence and the only data they have is from an incredibly biased source (who, by the way, is only trying to influence public perception).

Finding an alternative EV isn’t the problem. Finding an alternative charging network in North America is. All the other networks are infamous for not repairing broken chargers, slow charging speeds, being more expensive than superchargers, and not having enough stalls.

Hate Musk but this is stupid

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The NYS Thruway all the way up to Albany is all AppleGreen. There’s maybe 3 chargers the entire way northbound - and they’re expensive.

Just remember that I-295 runs parallel to the NJTPK from the Delaware Memorial Bridge to just South of Trenton. There are a bunch of Superchargers just off I-295 and the best part NO TOLLS!

so they don't care about environment at all

That sucks. What’s the timeframe for removal?

Here's a post from the company that won the bid. The pic says it all. [https://x.com/ApplegreenElec/status/1847277054628081723](https://x.com/ApplegreenElec/status/1847277054628081723)

What EV registration fee?? No, you gotta be kidding me

Where I live there is an EV fee of $150 for any car that can drive over 30 miles on battery power. This is especially bad for plug-in hybrid owners since they end up paying more tax than anybody since any modern PHEV has over 30 miles of range on battery power, but not enough range to avoid using gas for at least some trips. The other stupidity is an additional $75 since "To realize the environmental benefits of electrification of the transportation system it is necessary to support the adoption of electric vehicles and other electric technology in the state **by incentivizing the purchase of these vehicles**, building out the charging infrastructure..." but this is charged only to EV (and PHEV) owners! Nice incentive.

This is the most corrupt, dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. Those turnpike parking lots are HUGE. There is zero reason to pick just one provider. They can literally have them all—Tesla, Rivian Action Network, Energize America, these Apple Green Electric ones, whatever. If you want to make the state EV friendly, make it so that anyone can roll up with whatever membership network they have can use it. This isn’t even an anti-Elon thing. They could’ve gone with more robust networks than the small player they went with. Someone’s palms got greased. This is New Jersey after all.

There are Teslas EVERYWHERE in some parts of NJ. It's almost like being in another world. Especially in Paramus. Some days I swear every 5th car is a Tesla. It's WILD. It's also wild how odd and lacking the charging infrastructure is. Guess this explains it. Also explains why the TP had such an odd layout of chargers. Always wondered why my car constantly wanted me to get off the TP to charge.

That's absurd. Fire the government of NJ.

From an Ohioans perspective New Jersey is fn crazy

Fortunately it is a joke. Charged myself in NJ at a Wawa while I watched attendants fill cars with gas.

I suspect he likes the cars but not the bell-end running the company. Tesla sales have dropped through the floor and people don't want them second-hand either so resale values are not what they should be.

If you’re ok with EVs paying their fair share, then why is “EVs should not drive on roads for free” the dumbest thing you’ve ever read? Seems contradictory

another vote for this being stupid. they will not be able to supercharge teslas... the other vendors will charge a LOT more - electrify america is 30-50% more.. and the other cars will not likely use. this is just quite silly....

I hate Elon as much are the next guy but this is just a waste of resources

In and around a place like Paramus, most people are just charging at home.

They dont, they care about what gets them the most money.

It was the dumbest shit I read because he stated it like a hall monitor

They need their balls sucked before allowing anything happen.

Walt Whitman Service Center Applegreen - 7 CCS and 1 NACS $0.40/kWh Tesla - 8 NACS $0.36/kWh James Cooper Applegreen - 3 CCS and 1 NACS Tesla - 8 NACS Woodrow Wilson Applegreen - 3 CCS and 1 NACS Tesla - 8 NACS Joyce Kilmer Applegreen - 4 CCS and 2 NACS Tesla - 8 NACS

In 2023, the federal gas tax revenue (36 billion) worked out to be $126 average per registered vehicle including buses, trucks, etc. (about 284 million registered vehicles). $250 for an electric car is ridiculously unbalanced, and still only raises $1 billion based on 2024's EV registrations. There needs to be some way to pay for highways, but this isn't the way yet. Instead, an increase of 3% on the gas tax would raise more than $1 billion while incentivizing people to buy cars which use less (or no) gas.

This looks kind of terrible. I went to look at plugshare at the Woodrow Wilson Service Plaza. There's currently 8 Tesla supercharger stalls 250kw For apple green there's 2 stations with 2 plugs each. 1 station has 2 CCS and 1 station has a CCS and a NACS. the stations are 400kw, not sure if they share that 400kw Plugshare link https://www.plugshare.com/location/727883 If this is indicative of how all the NJ turnpike will look that's pretty bad. Hopefully they do some expansion. Also make sure to get CCS adapters if your car supports it. It's nice to have the option.

Applegreen. They basically own all retail on the Turnpike, and iirc also manage the toll system.

I didn’t see this coming. Honestly. Thought they would install more Superchargers since more EV manufacturers will have NACS installed in future models. This move seems like treading backwards.

Smells like Chris Christie

The latest OTA updates also allow for non-Tesla chargers to show up in the nav, thankfully.

Because it's a false dilemma. Nobody is arguing EVs shouldn't be taxed. Most are pissed off because EVs aren't being taxed fairly. If you're going to charge a dollar fee, just scrap the gas tax and charge EVERYONE at a flat fee.

I think most of us agree on your points The dude I replied to literally said “EVs should not drive on roads for free” was the dumbest shit they ever read. Implying any road tax on EVs is dumb.

I wonder if this is why they have been looking so beat to shit.

They seem reliable but they have like 2 chargers for each rest area. They’ll need a huge expansion.

Wow, I am outraged at the government being vindictive and shitty like this. If only Elon Musk had a leg to stand on about the government being vindictive and shitty about stuff.

The NJTA seems more interested in profiting from Tesla owners than providing convenient charging options. They know many Tesla drivers rely on Superchargers and will be forced to exit and re-enter the Turnpike, incurring extra tolls in the process.

Elon knows all about that

Well yea, we’ve already been seeing it with Trump and Elon

Didn’t Elon do the same thing to Verizon with the FAA deal for Starlinl. That was probably more corrupt then this decision and the Starlink deal was worth a hell of a lot more then I’m sure this is

"I don't like Elon, so let's punish our citizens" Excellent logic

I'm sure they'll be passing those costs on to the customer.

>Some of us are allergic to fascists. *_and idiots_ I think that covers most of the people currently running the US.

Great plan

Yay! ANOTHER app to go download on my phone for when I want to charge 🥰

Who is the service provider for Exit 4?

socal is also like this but more and more rivans everyday.

What? You don't want to make an account on some mobile app made in PHP and charge at -5 watts/sec

The hell with nj then…

All those other ev chargers are garbage …

And these are expensive as 💩 64 cents per kw.

Nothing holds a candle to your Teslas. If you really own them, you just got another great free update for example. They tried forcing them to build EV infrastructure with the VW settlement and those are all trash. Tesla chargers are the gold standard built from their good will when zero other manufacturers wanted to do it. Pull your head out of the sand, there's no reason to abandon Tesla.

For what it's worth, I agree that Superchargers are superior to the alternatives right now. It's essential to have executives who are actually effective, especially when workers at their companies have engineered great technology.

No more turnpike is what I’m hearing

they've slipped below half.

Nope, its just that Tesla refused to comply with NEVI. They had 3 years to do something about this but refused to.

This change is most likely due [to a New Jersey Turnpike management-company change.](https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/transportation/2025/03/14/nj-turnpike-contract-operate-e-zpass-controversy/82328096007/) That's a long article, but it has a lot of details you might find interesting. Some details that stood out to me: * TransCore (the new company) took over from Conduent, even though Conduent had a lower bid by $250 million. One and three-quarters billion USD vs one and a half billion for some context. Perhaps long running customer service issues with Conduent are to blame for this, perhaps not. * TransCore is owned by a Singaporean company. The largest shareholder of that company is a Chinese company, but TransCore denies CCP ties. * TransCore used to employ the daughter of the former Turnpike Authority board chair but no longer employs her. On a personal note, this removal of superchargers feels shitty as it's commonly known to be the best charging network in the US.

No its called not conforming to regulation. Tesla had 3 years to comply with NEVI but just never did.

No more federal funding right?

You don’t pay the gas tax

And started charging sales tax

The fee is to make up for lost road repair revenue. Existing revenue comes from the gas tax. If you’re not buying gas, you’re not paying into the road fund.

This fucking sucks. Typic Jersey corruption bullshit. I will absolutely not pay to exit / re-enter the turnpike on my commute from DC to NYC. More than happy to bypass with a flight or Amtrak and forget spending more money in the state.

NJ now charges $250 a year for EV registration going up $10 a year until it reaches $290 in 2028. And starting July 1st NJ is resuming charging full sales tax on EVs; they were previously tax exempt.

F that

More like rev share corruption

Explain how democrats pushing strict emissions mandates, EVs and renewable energy over fossil fuels got them the most money? That’s ridiculous

There's no such thing as "equity" in the car market. EV or not. But, ALL EVs lose value much faster than ICE cars. EVs are treated like computers more than a car, so they lose value much faster.

Gas taxes should go towards climate change mitigation and everyone should pay for roads through a registration tax, gas and EV.

Its literally highway robbery. I will gladly go out of my way and charge somewhere else. Im fine paying for convenience but I find 50 cents per kw already high enough.

Shame on NJ government...

I'm in Washington State, I pay almost $300 a year in special EV registration fees.

> There are Teslas EVERYWHERE in some parts of NJ. It's almost like being in another world. Especially in Paramus. Some days I swear every 5th car is a Tesla. It's WILD. Feels like 1-in-3 cars here in Redmond/Bellevue or whenever I visit the SF Bay.

Which is way less than you would pay with a gas tax. Those roads need funding, whatever you drive. Driving an EV doesn't make you exempt from that.

Jan 6 says hi. It was a beautiful pillow fight...the most beautiful pillow fight 🤗

Another reason to avoid NJ

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“Abstain or whoever is best for Tesla” is truly one of the saddest things I’ve seen today

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It's about double what I would pay annually in gas tax. If a flat tax is fine for EV drivers, why not do it for everyone, you know... So everyone is paying their fair share.

Edison and surrounding areas also have tons of Teslas everywhere. Lot of people are going to be pissed.

Expensive and slow Completely useless

Absurd. I’ll still only go to superchargers and not any of the other shit chargers they build. I’m sure 99%+ of Tesla owners will continue to only use superchargers too. They rock lol

Luckily you have the Republican support of the environment clearly stated.

It's not about what you know is about who you know 🤌🏻

Too many people in NJ, and yet people still move there from their utopias like upstate NY.

NJ continues to be the arm pit of the US. Nothing surprising here

Political

That's ridiculous. It feels very political and definitely not done in the best interest of EV owners. I generally stay off the turnpike and out of Jersey if I can help it.

Applegreen New Jersey Welcome Centres LLC, agreed to construct 80 electric passenger vehicle charging ports by Dec. 31, 2025 and an additional 160 charging ports by April 2033,

Should have been ioanna if anyone else

NJ will always rob you of every penny it can, glad i left in 2016 to DFW and never looked back

The model 3 was the 4th best selling vehicle in the states until doge

well service is getting worse and more expensive, so it’s either corruption or complete incompetence.

Dirty jersey lives up to its reputation. Probably some corrupt politician getting kick back to lock out other EV charging charginf network

What a disgrace. Murphy was the worst governor in history.

you vote based on a Car Corporation?

My part of SoCal is like 33% EVs (1/2 of those being Tesla).

Stockholm syndrome Americans. 😂 Try to go to a place where Sunday family can actually have time off and spend time with each other. Religious or not.

I’m sure there is a premium to the charge rates they were proposing as well, which probably sparked the non renewal

Tesla was probably trying to circumvent the rules that were established by saying "but they're already there".....

Thank you. A depreciating asset loses value.

You and I both know the government paid for that energy to get to the boundary. Just like they paid for the upgrades to houses who were installing chargers.

Tesla has a ton of prepaid so they probably didn't want to give a portion of that previously paid revenue to the state.

The charging company is required to give a portion to the state for the charging and Tesla probably refused.

The irony.

Ironic with the town name

Except the EV charge is the equivalent of someone driving a typical gas car about 50k miles per year. It’s way out of whack.

Agreed, but the charge is exorbitant compared to what a typical driver contributes with the gas tax.

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I could be wrong here, but I’m pretty sure the EV registration tax is $260 in 2025, going to a peak of $290 in 2028. The NJ gas tax is $0.449/gallon. The registration fee covers the equivalent of about 580 gallons of gas. For a 30mpg vehicle, that’s about 17,000 miles a year.

It's not they renovated it, they outright own all those service area, bought them in 2021 from HMS Host. Now subsidiary of this company will install chargers in it. It's an Irish company, pretty big.

It's because Applegreen (an Irish company) bought service areas from HMS Host in 2021. Same company will install chargers in them. Management company change is a separate thing, not related.

It's not political, it's business. Irish company bought all the service plazas, now they're kicking Tesla out of them and installing own chargers.

Tesla’s team needs a strategy to deal with sole sourcing requests by their competitors. I can think of no technology a competitor can provide that Tesla can’t — which is the intended purpose of sole sourcing. This was just a more savvy company locking out their competition hoping Tesla and others would give up.

This was always predictable and was predicted. When EVs were still a niche, it was easy to let companies like Tesla pick up the tab for government looking green. Now that EVs are having a devastating impact the oil industry, government is now doing what they do best, running interference for their masters. It's going to get nasty and insane since Big Oil will not go gentle into that good night.

Theyre going to a sole source provider (Applegreen) of chargers so theres no plural 'companies' which is the point. A government mandated monopoly is never helpful to anyone as we've seen already with other government mandated monopolies in utilities. Monopolies by themselves are anti-consumer. This is likely just the outcome of political kickbacks like they always are. Applegreen chargers are expensive already and the NJ govt seems to love butt fucking their own tax payers apparently probably because they get more money from it.

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This is INCREDIBLY stupid. At best, add chargers. Curious if this is anti-Elon, someone getting their palms greased, or just plain stupidity. What’s wrong with having the superchargers in addition to these?

Only reason I ever go to NJ is to drive through it to see family. So I need two things: Tesla charging, and food.

Wonder if someone is getting some kickbacks from this.

Government facilities have forced STARLINK but ignored EV charging. It's a conundrum.

go ahead and sell your ev junk and come on back to gas cars

Could someone educate me on this? Don't the the 3rd party chargers they have opted to go with work with Teslas? What benefit does the Tesla Supercharger offer?

Am I the only one here that does not have an issue with the EV registration fee? Without that, we are using the roads for free for the most part while putting a lot of wear on it.

never did

Liberals would rather destroy the world than let the people they hate have anything.

Yep, has never happened before that.

I think they are, when I search nationwide for used Tesla, there's tons of them with huge miles

That’s the typical outcome of government intervention & overreach.

Then you got the federal fee coming too

Lucky for you and me that we don't live in King or Pierce counties. People there are paying $1k for EV registrations.

For the exact same reason. The federal gas tax is $0.184/gallon. Since EVs don’t use gas, they’re not paying into the Federal Highway Trust Fund but they’re using the roads paid for by that funding. At the end of the day, the roads need to be paid for, unless you want them to all be toll roads.

Another one falls to the oil and gas lobbies

So use their inferior charging network to stay on the turnpike so they make money. Or leave the turnpike to charge and get dinged for a toll and they make their money.

It’s in a hotel parking lot, not the best location.

I live in nj. Corruption happens on the corner store, market, the street. Trenton you drive into and the corruption is in the air. It gets thicker closer to the capital.

If you own a Tesla, you used the app to purchase it, registered your car to the app, perform software updates through the app, etc. It is so incredibly seamless compared to third party apps too; you don't press any buttons or tap anything. You plug in, charge, leave. It even notifies you when the charging is almost done when you're away from the car. Why would it be considered a utility to not require an app? So you can take out your wallet to use you credit card or cash? I don't see any utility in this requirement, whereas other apps are just terrible experiences overall.

These were federally funded, and we have to somehow make it appear 2 trillion is being saved, at least face wise, because you know who approved these chargers....

I have done a pile of long distance travel with my tesla, and i've made a point to do some of it on non-tesla charging. Non-tesla networks are so much worse as to be shamefully bad for all the people they've undoubtedly stranded. Any government actually interested in serving their constituents would never have made this choice for how much people will be hurt by it.

What do you consider way less? I pay the $300 EV fee in WA. Last year I used 3,314 kWh for driving, which comes out to around 13,000 miles. If I drove a 40 mpg gas car the same distance, I'd use about 325 gallons: - WA gas tax = 325 x 0.554 = 180 - Federal gas tax = 325 x 0.184 = 60 - Total = ~240 in gas taxes So for my use, I'm actually paying a bit more with the flat EV fee. If I drove twice as much (about 26,000 miles), a gas car would owe ~480 in fuel taxes, but I'd still be paying 300. So yeah, higher mileage EV drivers come out ahead. But, 26k miles is also well above average I believe. But yeah, what is *way* less? Do you have like a percentage or something?

All fun and games but don’t hate on PHP :P

It is $200 in Ohio and that is way more than I'd ever pay in gas tax. It is $0.385 per gallon here in Ohio, which means I'd have to drive 62,337 miles a year, where I drive maybe 2,000 now that I work from home.

Call/Email your elected officials. You have to vote for what you want. Personally, I think other charging companies need to step up their game. Tesla shouldn't be the only name in charging, regardless of selling the most EVs. There need to be 2 or 3 other competitors and we just haven't seen anything as reliable yet.

And tons of traffic at the 42/76/295 exchange because the state is incompetent

I was wondering why there was a huge supercharging location that was just built off exit 4 (40 stalls). Now I know. Absolute trash decision by NJ to remove the superchargers from the turnpike rest areas. I've seen the replacement chargers they are adding. They look terrible.

You could have both a card reader and the possibility of using the Tesla app. The comment simply stated they can't *require* it.

The machines could do both.

I clicked on the link to read what the requirement was. My point is that the NEVI requirement is not offering the utility it claims. Utility is not having to touch your app or wallet to charge your vehicle. Tesla charging doesn't even require you to open the app, it's plug and go. There is no reason for this requirement to push out an already convenient and easy charging system.

Capitalism fosters choice?

He is tesla.

Can't wait till global warming swallows up that part of the country.

Bureaucracy sucks, politicians suck, sometimes I hate living in the north east And my problem is that some ass hat is going to sleep in New Jersey. Happy that they got this to happen.

Busses are not about the environment, they are not actually efficient unless you are comparing them against trains/subways which are the worst. Busses are about control.

We just get Canadian wildfire smoke in the air here. Not sure which I’d prefer.

Road damage is proportional to the square of vehicle weight. With EVs being heavier than gas cars, their damage per mile is way higher, so it's actually more like a gas car going 20k miles per year.

Yes. But if you don't own a Tesla, you may not have needed an app to buy the car, but you have to use the app to charge. The point here is that New Jersey wants every driver of every EV to be able to use a charger without needing an app, and Tesla refused to comply with that.

They had 3 years to do it and never did.

https://www.njta.com/contact-us to tell them this is dumb

Citation?

Didn’t Tesla outsell the next ten BEV manufactures sales combined last quarter in the USA? Their 128K sales of BEVs is more than GM, Ford, BMW, VW, Hyundai, etc. combined. I suppose the numbers don’t lie… Also of note. GM just canceled an EV motor factory and put nearly a billion dollars into next gen V8 R&D. After canceling cell/pack contacts and factories after the election. You did it Mary! People are going to have to decide if they want BEVs, or to hate one company that actually believes in BEVs.

There are chargers everywhere in NJ, they are literally replacing these with a different brand. Don’t be dramatic, no one is pissed lol.

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It’s $200 in Georgia. The $250 annual federal tax that’s coming will just add to the pain. I only drive about 5,000 miles a year.

I guess that’s why Trump’s big beautiful bill will charge EV owners $250 a year in taxes. Thanks, Obama!

No that is way more than an ice would pay in gas tax

And those existing (Tesla) chargers are compatible with my EV, while I’m assuming the new criteria conveniently leaves out backwards-compatibility with many Teslas. NJ has a lot of old-model Teslas, and it’s just screwing us over (or making us pay more money to Tesla for an upgrade).

That’s what your property taxes are for? Schools, officers, roads, etc

I wouldn't say it's not even friendly they just went with another bidder .

So charge based on weight. And with the proliferation of pickups, crossovers, SUVs, and minivans electric vehicles really aren’t heavier than most other commuter vehicles. Looking at the 5 best selling vehicles in the US, the F150, Silverado, and Ram all weigh more than a model 3, while the CRV and Rav4 weigh a little less. It’s clear that it’s just more politically expedient to overcharge electric vehicles than to touch the gas tax.

greedy gov

They are not cheap on the NY State thruway, actually quite expensive. 80 cents a kwh.

You did it Mary! You led and that matters!

You know what's really funny? It seems like that's EXACTLY the reason why these chargers are being replaced. Tesla requires an app. NJ gave them 3 years to update their plan to remove the app requirements but Tesla said no. Now Tesla seems to say that they'll update the superchargers to just use a screen, but they've yet to roll those out. I loved my model 3, but the politics behind this is infuriating.

Sounds like someone's brother-in-law got a sweet deal from the Turnpike Authority!

Just goes to show how wrong you can be.

Turnpikes have always felt like a government supported monopoly in any state. Hundreds of miles with one set of vendors to “choose” from for gas, food, etc. I hope the vendors at the NJ Turnpike stops recognize the lost revenue that will be exiting to charge and spend money elsewhere.

Remind me; why would anyone want to go to New Jersey?

What type of damage do you think loaded 18 wheelers do compared to a passenger vehicle? This is from chatgpt Tesla Model Y ~4,200 – 4,500 lbs (1,905 – 2,041 kg) Toyota RAV4 ~3,370 – 3,775 lbs (1,528 – 1,712 kg) Chevrolet Tahoe ~5,473 – 5,845 lbs (2,483 – 2,652 kg)

> Which is way less than you would pay with a gas tax. No it's not...

Someone got paid.

That’s a lie. V4 chargers don’t require an app, and Tesla specifically offered to update those chargers from V3 to V4, which is NEVI compliant. And, they’ve complied with NEVI everywhere else so why would they be stubborn about TP chargers? There’s nothing to be gained. Stop spreading misinformation.

Yeah, mine also came from Paramus. I bought it in another state very far away. But the dealer never deleted the dashcam DVR. So when I went to clear it I saw TONS of videos of the previous owner getting into constant near accidents all over paramus. Also sucked to learn the previous owner was such a horrid driver and an ass hole.

I deleted my comment. Thank you for correcting me.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sucks being a visitor every few weeks trying to find charging. But usually I am at a hotel with a charger (VERY SLOW) or have enough charge till I get back to CT service centers or south to Super chargers off the TP. I plan for it, of course.

Also, you have to compare state gas tax vs. state EV tax, not state + federal gas tax vs. state EV tax. So it’s actually 180 vs. 300, which is 67% higher state taxes just to drive an EV. And if the reconciliation legislation passes down in DC, you’ll also have to tack a new $250 federal EV tax onto that. So then it’d be 240 vs. 550 — 129% higher state + federal taxes to drive an EV.

Apparently the Turnpike is taking a 5% cut that can go up to 10%

True, but due to regenerative breaking, EV driving involves less hard braking and produce less brake dust, which can be damaging to roads, other vehicles, public health (and thus state and federal government expenditures on Medicaid, CHIP, etc.), and the local environment (brake dust is one of the largest contributors to PM2.5 particles in the air). So it’s not a like for like comparison. ICE vehicles create a lot of other unpriced externalities that EVs don’t which are not correlated to axle weight.

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Congratulations! You’re getting what you voted for. Don’t come to Reddit to piss and moan about it now

This is a terrible move by NJ

I'm sure its a contract that benefited politician personally. Not so much their citizens.

Yes we need to pay taxes to maintain roads. The amount should vary based on how much we drive. Just like it does with the gas tax. It isn’t rocket science, we should just enter our odometer reading when paying the tax to have it calculated. Yes people would cheat, yes it’d be easy to catch them.

And that’s one big stink! 😂

Fuel tax is primarily for road infrastructure. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/value_capture/traditional_transportation_revenue/state.aspx

I have a problem when the EV registration fee is at least 5X what would be raised by a similar ICE in gas taxes. (Texas) That ignores the benefits of EVs, especially those of us who power their cars nearly 100% using solar. My car isn't "putting a lot of wear on it". I barely drive 7500 miles a year. I would have a lot less of an issue if this was mileage based.

Bet you this wouldn’t have happened if Elon didn’t join politics

Applegreen Electric is owned by Blackstone. That ownership & their connections to Democratic led States like NY/NJ + the gross revenue charges (cough kickbacks to the State) are the reasons. It certainly won't be to the benefit of the EV community.

Chick-Fil-A is a top shelf company that provides great food at a reasonable price.

yea but teslas are the only ones that consistently work well.

As someone who has to drive from central Md to central nj once a month this whole corridor is a dead zone

So happy to live in Tesla/Space X friendly Florida.

Yea, but then how do you keep track of what state you drove in and if you crossed a border or not? I personally think a flat EV registration fee is fair.

It is this way in Pennsylvania as well, the problem with a simple EV registration fee increase is that it’s a flat rate, whereas everyone else pays per mile essentially via gas tax.

Or in any state that mandates inspection use the mileage diff year to year for the calculations

This is not universally the case. I can’t speak for any other manufacturers without researching them up but the 2 Tesla’s I’ve owned were barely any heavier than the gas powered AWD V6 sedan I’d been driving previously. Within 200 pounds.. most mid or full size cars that are AWD are going to rival EV weight to say nothing of SUVs or large Trucks.

The issue is that the EV fee is \~ 1.5 to 2.5 times as much as gas cars paying gas tax.

YOU LEAVE PHP OUT OF THIS!

Ez pass all roads

What is the cost in PA? I had and sold a Tesla model 3 P. In TN the registration was $200 at the time vs $75 for a ICE vehicle. This is based on the USDOT estimation of 13,500 to 14,500 miles a year driven by a US citizen. I don’t think going on mileage for a BEV is really feasible as that would be a system difficult to document and enforce. The only way would be to incorporate emission testing centers to read an odometer check for a BEV to determine registration costs.

Yea replace something with 99% up time with a brand with tops 50! That’s smart…

I don’t know anyone that minds paying a tax for the roads. It should be fair for everyone though. The majority of them I see equate to a much higher tax for most people than the gas tax. Charge a flat tax to everyone equally.

But I only drive 5K miles a year.

Elon certainly doesn’t.

Trumps America sadly 🤷

??? Not in Pierce County. It's still $300 for us.

Instead of gas taxes there should be taxes on tires. That is proportional to miles driven, for any type of vehicle

Looks like Tesla didn't bribe as deftly as the other vendor. NJ is famously corrupt.

How much money went under the table on that deal, hmmm?

> EVs being heavier than gas cars This doesn't hold as well as most people's intuition would predict. > Road damage is proportional to the square of vehicle weight We don't charge based on road wear. Basically everyone is subsidizing semis, which contribute essentially all road wear. I don't think the argument that marginally heavier passenger vehicles should have to subsidize semis even more tracks.

Yes but again the fees are over double the average gas vehicle.

Political b---s--- impacting EV drivers! 😡

Applegreen stations have fewer plugs. Overall it's a decrease in capacity per site

New Jersey could be the most corrupt state in the union.

$200 this year, $250, next year, then tied to Consumer Price Index after that. It’s currently $45 for gas powered passenger vehicles. Inspections are required here, I don’t see why they couldn’t take it from there, they already write the mileage in the sticker just start sending that in and use the difference year to year. Without doing the math I’m sure it’s probably about even for folks that drive 12+ k but will disproportionately impact anyone that drives less than that.

You sound like EV's are exempt from paying Tolls . Furthermore, the cost of supercharging which it sounds like the govt get a cut from is not all that different from the cost of buying gas .

This is disappointing as we want more choice and competition in chargers and not just a single company.

Applegreen is the provider. EU based with a JV with Blackstone.

Governor wants to hurt car owners for his own personal greed.

In theory - what existing network could go in there that would be anywhere as reliable as the Tesla network? No one else has shown any interest in making it work.

Not as blatant and out in the open as these two. I mean Trump literally drove a Tesla around the White House and told people to buy them. Elon literally had a contract with Verizon cancelled in order to get Starlink thr contract with Air Traffic Controllers. So I don’t feel bad for Tesla or Elon that this is happening. The worst thing for Tesla owners is they might have to wait a little longer to charge and have to open up an app on their phone.

Pretty much all major car brands has committed to switching to NACS, which will make non-NACS chargers useless with time (of course, you can use adapters).

Government CAN work well of people if demand it to. Corruption, greed, and complacency cause it to run poorly, and we have plenty of all that.

This is horrible news.

At first I thought this was Tesla hate, then I realized this is how modern Mafias operate.

TransCore is owned by ST Engineering which is majority owned by the Singapore government. So not controlled by the CCP.

This might seem hard to understand, but it’s possible to like one thing he did and dislike other things. Tesla has done great things for clean energy + transportation, and makes great vehicles. Musk has single-handedly destroyed the US’s place as a superpower, caused countless thousands and over time millions to die needlessly both here and around the world, and compromised our national security in previously unfathomable ways. Indeed, he has also now set back our clean energy transition by years. None of this is an exaggeration, none of it is political. This is literally, undeniably what he has done. I’d love to have my next car be another Tesla, but it won’t be. The same is true for most Tesla owners or would-be owners I know. Maybe it’s all the drugs, but Musk has clearly lost his mind and he is doing irreparable harm to the country and the world. Nobody should support that. And that’s why so many refuse to buy a Tesla now. It’s called having a moral compass. There’s nothing hypocritical about it.

It’s probably not that. My guess is most old fashioned corruption.

NJ is a nanny state that babies their citizens. They cant even pump their own gas in the state lol

This isn't true, there are chargers in PlugShare at both Plattekill and New Baltimore NB. I agree they need more units though.

So it's down from 8 to 4 chargers but it adds CCS support, which is a net positive in my eyes. Peak output per plug is much higher. Will be interesting to see how congested these get though, since 4 is not enough.

Why didn't they do that a few years ago when they invented magic dock if they're so benevolent.

Unless Tesla takes them down early, yes.

Are they removing all Tesla stations or just along the Turnpike?

New Jersey clowns

I hope they update the navigation to specifically do that. Add a “No Tolls” table to it

Perhaps the largest tenant hadn't asked for a wider access charging network until recently?

Applegreen to charge .64 or better per kWh. Tesla charged .38 per kWh on NJT. Just a way for NJ to grab more money. It’s insane.

Applegreen will be charging double what Tesla per kWh costs. It’s criminal. Time to go back to gas if looking to save money.

Should have been a below-market terms offer.

Tesla’s work and are far cheaper.

I thought this would be a good idea too, but in hindsight, it might lead to people driving on bald tires more. That would be a safety hazard.

Did you keep those videos? Seems like an entire episode of wham bam tesla cam could be made out of one certain "teslaman can't drive"

NJ politicians would cut off their noses to spite their face. “We love the environment, but only as long as our sweet sweet government waste isn’t being cut”

Huh? What do you mean?

The change between TransCore and Conduent is related to the operation of the Nee Jersey E-ZPass toll collection system. It has nothing to do with the service areas on the Turnpike.

8 was not enough during busy times

Applegreen just operate the service areas. The toll system is another thing that has another big dispute going on between Conduent (current operator) and Transcore who was awarded a new contract to modernize the system and infrastructure.

I mean, you don't need to have a ton of chargers everywhere, when you can just plug in at home at 15cents per kwh. Also the whole state is round-trip able from anywhere 😂

Sometimes it seems cheaper to exit: Exit 1 - 13 = $13.98 Exit 1-7 + 7-13 = $6.66+$7.28 = $13.94

I wrote this in a comment above that Sometimes it seems cheaper to exit: Exit 1 - 13 = $13.98 Exit 1-7 + 7-13 = $6.66+$7.28 = $13.94

What an irony choosing that picture

NJ is a fairly wealthy state. Not surprising.

That would have been awesome. But no I needed to clear the drive and had no where to easily store 100GB? of this ass hat being an ass hat. You ever see one of those long left turn lanes that you have to sit in for 3 or 4 lights. And there's that one car who rushes down the straight lane and turns left with everybody or pulls in front of you, while the light is red. That's this guy. I think he did it up to 3 times a day at 3 different turns, because there are tons of incidents of him. Getting honked at and him honking at others. Yeah, I wish I could have saved it. this guy was easily the worst driver in all of New Jersey and possibly one of the worst in the country. I now baby in my car and drive it legally to help it get over the PTSD.

Who pays for these removals? Seems like an annoying bummer.

Gov just ripped out some old EV charging in a DC facility, iirc. Where I worked people just charged with mobile chargers. Not the greatest but

It's a good thing the new applegreen ones are only 0.35. Cheaper than supercharger.

Turnpikes are toll supported.

You mean non-Tesla chargers? There's like 4 or 5 supercharger stations between NJ and Albany

I live near exit 7, and drive the Turnpike all the time, usually to exit 11 or down to 4. I’ve never once charged my Tesla on the Turnpike. Still, it’s a shitty moves because NJ is definitely Tesla-heavy, and now it will of course be more expensive to charge on the TPK.

You never been to California I take it..

EDS at its finest. God forbid the government pay for the best chargers at the lowest price.

Sounds political…

All because of Elon Musk!

AppleGreen electric (none american company) took hold of NJ gov, they now have control of the NJ Turnpike. Just watched Out of Spec video yesterday on it. Doesn't look good for EV owners. SLOWER chargers and less stalls.

Every tire sold in NY has a $2.50 fee at the time of purchase. It's there, whether it's wrapped into the invoice or not. This could be increased and have less blowback than the current proposed fees.

Used to live there. LOL. But to your point. No. Not in a few decades.

EVs aren’t going to save the environment…..

Maybe if Tesla had opened these sites to other vehicles this wouldn't have happened...

You realize semis also pay for fuel and contribute to the gas tax? The average taxes paid per tractor is $4,500 a year. The average MPG is about 5.5 so the consumption is exponentially higher. Passenger cars aren't subsidizing semis. When you factor in the value of the goods and the taxes from the sale of those goods, they more than pay their fair share

The world is built on PHP 😁

I notice its the same situation for the Cranbury Exit. The super chargers are at a Hotel.

Built from their “good will”? Really?

At least you got that nice no state sales tax on EV’s in NJ.

Yes. They built their charging network out of pocket, meanwhile VW committed diesel gate and their fines resulted in a garage competing network. Every other car company or energy company could have built a charging network. Instead they sat there like Blockbuster video wondering how Netflix was eating their lunch.

Exactly CA Govenor Newsom ROADS discretionary slush fund our Prices $4.99 to $5.49 cash gas diesel EV as of February 2024 725 light-pole chargers Sangalang says the street light system can support 3,000 or 4,000 The U.S. has 160,000 public chargers throughout the country. There is 8.1 million registered vehicles in Los Angeles ONLY

They did…

NJ Sucks balls, like usual.

Update July 21, 2025: (Daily 2017 Tesla Model-S NJ-Turnpike commuter here) The Applegreen Chargers that replaced the NJ Turnpike Tesla Superchargers support NACS and CCS. They support walk-up-and-pay without an app - nice. If you walk up and pay without an app its 41 cents/kwh. If you use the app, its 35 cents kwh. The app is kludgy: You have to tell it where you are, and which stall you're trying to use first. I dont understand why it doesnt geo-locate you then ask for a stall - but, there you are. Here's the IMPORTANT part of the post: After trying to use their system 5 times, each time ending in a customer support call while at the charger (they're reasonably responsive), they finally figured out why I couldnt get a charge: Their system is NOT compatible with any Tesla built before Oct-2020. My 2017 is out of luck (didnt try CCS + adapter yet).

Anybody here that commutes on the turnpike, could you share what the experience has been like since then? Are the new chargers that bad? Are the other superchargers a big detour? Are they overcrowded ever?