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Shhhh...I'm trying to put my baby in the backseat of this ICE car, inches away from 16 gallons of highly explosive liquid under her butt.
A highly effective method of suicide in just turning on a gas car without driving around to make sure this poison gas is spread out to everyone.
If an electric car emitted even the tiniest amount of poisonous gas, even if it wasn't enough to be an immediate danger and dissipated after a short time, we'd never heard the end of it. People would shout it from the rooftops to claim EVs are worse than their ICE vehicles that pump substantially more poison into the air. If the people who are anti-EV cared about the poisonous gases their car gives off they wouldn't be anti-EV
Kinda embarrassing strawman level marketing, but eh...
As if lithium ion batteries don’t explode/arent flammable.
There’s been some incidents of battery fires of course, but that’s just FUD for the most part. EVs catch fire way less often than ICE cars, but the media would like to make you believe otherwise. The other day I saw a ICE car on fire on the side of the road. Obviously that didn’t make the news. Had it been a Tesla it would have been front page of all local newspapers and the first segments of TV news. Lol
I often think about what it would be like if, for whatever reason, we had started with electric cars and now after 100 years we were collectively forced to switch to gas cars. It would seem insane. The poisonous gas and the CO2 emissions, the much more complicated gas station network, the oil dependency, the breaking in a new car, all the noise, the inability to charge at home, the slowness, the stink, the limited cargo space, the exterior design limitations, the fire hazard, the maintenance, the lack of one-pedal-driving, the need for transmissions ... It wouldn't just be difficult to sell, it would be literally impossible.
Change is difficult to comprehend. I used to have this ritual when parking my car… stop, shift to park, activate the parking brake, stop the engine, take the key out, check that the lights are off. Got a Tesla and the first days I just had to take a few seconds to mentally walk through and dismiss the check list in my head before getting out of the car. Just setting the car in park just didn’t feel like it was enough.
How is it a strawman argument? Seriously. A strawman means creating some farce of a real argument. People actually use gas cars to commit suicide. Just because we have gotten used to something does not make it a good thing.
We did start with electric cars...
They do and they are. But the statistics show that ICE cars are many times more likely to do both. And Hybrids are worse than either.
But the original comment points out that having a gas tank "16 inches away" from occupants as a significant risk. On the contrary, the fuel is placed in the part of the car that's least likely to get damaged, within a sealed and insulated container. If this was an EV that simply had a gas tank there for storage, the fire risk wouldn't be that much higher, because the actual fire risk comes from the engine, where there's flowing fuel, heat and combustion. If fuel was placed next to the engine instead (i.e. as far away as possible from all occupants), the fire risk would be way higher.
Elon definitely tweeted this.
Ok, technically true. "If we had started with Li-ion electric cars." Or an alternative reality in which most cars are modern EVs and gas cars were introduced just now because, I don't know, we suddenly needed all of the electrical energy for something else. Basically, the situation in the early 2010s flipped around.
I drive a gas car at work. When I'm driving with my boss he said it's obvious to him I own an EV. I asked why and he said when I park I always forget to turn the car off... Like I'm halfway out of the vehicle before I remember to grab the key from the ignition lol
What do you mean set the car in park? I literally come to a full stop, take my seatbelt off and walk out.
Back in 2020 an airport parking garage with hundreds of cars inside burned down in Norway. Everyone was painting doom and gloom about EV’s, fake rumors about the firing starting in a model S (was an old Diesel engined Opel Zafira), how difficult it was to put out EV fires, etc. Fuel tanks melted and the contents dumped onto the floor running across and making all the other cars catch fire too. However, none of the battery packs caught fire. One outlet reported that. Behind a paywall.
If this had been a Tesla that burst into flames, it would have been a national scandal. https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/raleigh/raleigh-mom-4-young-children-die-in-fiery-crash-on-i-95-during-trip-to-see-husband/amp/
But they DO emit an invisible gas, we’ve all seen this in the news, some of us first hand! Those who are mentally weak/ unstable are most vulnerable and it causes their brains to rot further, eventually devolving them into physical violence and damage against personal property.
Every winter for the past 5 years, I'd have to reverse my ICE car out of the garage, warm it and then bring my toddler out in a jacket, unzip his jacket, place him the car seat and still be freezing my balls off. Now, we warm the Model Y in the garage, don't need to keep my kid in a jacket in the garage, and it's nice and toasty. It's an unspoken luxury especially in cold weather climates. We have another baby now so when we start doing daycare drop offs I'm not going to dread the winters as much!
Same thing happened at Heathrow in the UK. Rumours said an EV started it but in reality it was a diesel Range Rover Sport
> Just setting the car in park just didn’t feel like it was enough. After getting out of rental car while still in drive I realised I don't even do that all of the time. Some times I seemingly just leave it in gear and get out.
Imagine if you were sitting on a lithium battery that once ignited will burn the entire car so fast that you will die if you dont exit in seconds and pretty much cant be put out. I mean, this is why nobody warms up a car inside garage other than for killing oneself. It's a fact, sure, but its completely ridicilous to market EVs by trying to slander ICEs in this fashion. So many similar ridicilous arguments can be made about EVs (and have been made too, but it doesnt mean Tesla should follow suit). In general, if you cant advertise your product without slandering the opposition/alternatives, you dont necessarily have a good product. I drive a Tesla and have no intention on going back to ICEs but this is definitely amongst the smallest imaginable reasons I moved away from ICEs lol. ICEs definitely have their dangers, but lets not pretend EVs dont.
To be fair, calling gasoline explosive is an exaggeration. It is not *explosive*, but it certainly is *flammable*. Yes, you can atomize it and create an explosive with the right concentration in air, but that is well outside of the conditions seen with car related incidents, despite what Michael Bay would like you to think.
What's weird is he doesn't give a shit about the environment.
That’s absolutely heartbreaking. What a loss. Looks like the car they hit was sitting on the road in the center lane when they hit it. Found the gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-a-loving-familys-celebration-of-life
If we’re totally honest, there’s absolutely no way on earth that a petrol car could ever be made today. Imagine trying to get approval for a transport device in which you store 65 L of highly flammable liquid directly underneath the rear passenger seat, separated by only 5 mm of plastic. It would never happen.
Cars haven't needed to be "warmed up" in at least 40 years
> A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on
I talk about this ALL THE TIME. There was a large line to get gas at Costco yesterday and my wife and I were like, boy people would be very upset if they had to switch to THAT!
ITT: *what is a block and coupe heater*?
Driving a car is by far the most dangerous thing you do every day it has nothing to do with the type of drive train. ICE cars need to be phased out but this take is just ridiculous.
But that's just not true. Lithium fires burn **WAY** slower than gasoline fires. There absolutely are many documented instances of unintentional carbon monoxide poisoning. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
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Ok so hear me out: after preheating the car, drive it into the garage and load your kids into it inside. Skip the jacket.
No, and I agree but he'll try anything to get someone to buy his cars. Mentioning suicide/accidental deaths to boost your sales... Sounds like something he'd do, just sayin.
Are you kidding me? My childhood was filled with safety announcements about \*not\* running your car in the garage, because it could not only be dangerous to people in the garage but in the whole house. Then there was the cancer warnings as well. How did you miss these? Edit: \*grin\* at the downvote :)
It’s actually pretty easy to see/imagine what that world looks like - look at how well Hydrogen vehicles are doing. In a world that already has mass produced viable EVs but you introduce a vehicle that requires a whole new fueling infrastructure, that new vehicle utterly fails. In the early days of cars, there were tons of competing fuel sources. Ford had a car that ran off of firewood. Issue was it weighed a lot for the amount of range it gave - something like 1 pound of firewood per mile traveled. Which… honestly isn’t so bad now that I think about it. That’s comparable to a vehicle getting 8 MPG. I guess the issue is less weight and more that it’s easier to manage 5 gallons of gas than it is to manage 40 pounds of wood.
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FWIW - World War 2 saw a brief resurgence of firewood powered vehicles in Europe. In 1942, when wood gas had not yet reached the height of its popularity, there were about 73,000 wood gas vehicles in Sweden,[^(\[3\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas#cite_note-3) 65,000 in France, 10,000 in Denmark, and almost 8,000 in Switzerland. In 1944, Finland had 43,000 "woodmobiles", of which 30,000 were buses and trucks, 7,000 private vehicles, 4,000 tractors and 600 boats.[^(\[4\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas#cite_note-4)
It is interesting though that EVs come with fire retardent materials when gas cars still just have hollow cans surrounding the fuel.
That's just replacing one inconvenience with another
Warm the human, not the air.
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I dont downvote. As for ads, here in northern europe we never had any. Surprisingly its not a very common way of killing oneself here either. I think it might be cos garages in the main house arnt very common here And im not downplaying the fact that monoxide poisoning or whatever is a real thing. I think its just lame to advertise Tesla with that, seeing how its not one or two burnt houses or lost lives with EV based fires. Given, ICE fires are very common too, just not a catchy headline so less on the front pages
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Some idiots love that poison gas though, which makes them even dumber. It's a vicious cycle.
tbh I am not a fan of the automated reposts from their X account
It’s a long standing “joke” that governments wouldn’t approve gas cars today due to the fuel used and the dangerous emissions they create.
I just feel sorry for those women standing out there every week pumping gas at the grocery store pumps. A good 10 minutes, if you don't have to wait. I just plug the car in and walk in the house.
There are so many reasons why cars would never be accepted if they were invented today. People die every day as a result of high-speed collisions. Cars are outrageously expensive to own and maintain. They take up huge amounts of public space. Look at the reaction to electric scooters cluttering up sidewalks and causing accidents, imagine if cars were viewed the same way. Cars not only emit poisonous gas, they also emit huge amounts of heat and most come pre-loaded with a system to reduce that heat for those inside the car, increasing the heat for everyone outside the car even more.
I would be a little worried...
Dress for the weather?
Yeah, I do that too! Any other hybrid owners do that too?
Consumer Reports has said for years the best way to warm up a car is to drive it gently.
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Quite a stupid comment from someone who does not own a hybrid. How do hybrid owners warm them up in their garage? They turn it on, drive away on battery power, the gas is used later on the road to charge up the battery. There are valid arguments in favor of EVs, this is NOT one of them. “This is the reality”.
For the engine no. Modern engine will perform just fine when cold soaked. For the passengers yes. Passenger cabin heat comes from engine waste heat, which means the passenger cabin won't warm up until the engine warms up.
This is such a strange post.
This was actually one of the things that took some getting used to with my Model Y. I'd remote start the climate, then part of me would worry that it's running in the garage with the door closed. Obviously I knew that was fine, it's just a leftover bit of habit from ICE days of 'don't run the car in the garage'.
Already did.
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I do not live in Austin, lol. I grew up in the Northeast and I did not have remote start
>Mentioning suicide/accidental deaths to boost your sales... I'm not siding with Elon, but that seems like a bit of a stretch, no?
You can remote start your car if you want. I'm just saying they definitely make coats that fit over business casual my friend.
Not at all, in my view. Everyone knows carbon monoxide kills you when you're in a closed space, so like *why* tweet the obvious?... "Hey guys, *our* special cars can be conveniently heated up without the risk of killing yourself!" It's just weird.
Buddy have you seen a lithium battery fire? They’re insanely intense and last for AGES
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If they released CO like ICE nothing would change regarding warming up a car in a garage because that was never a thing. We were taught that you don’t run your car in your garage and that would simply just continue to be the norm.
Looks like Elon has deployed his LLM into the comments too. Lot of weird piling on here acting like this is the greatest marketing point ever.
Wait, did he tweet this? Or that?
You know what annoys me about my wife’s newish Toyota grand highlander? How much can it possibly cost to get an extra 2-3 gallons of capacity? That would really help the range instead of having to hear her say she needs to get gas so much.
And the tweet was strange, too
Much like how people never shut up about battery fires and EVs. It’s not like there is *anything* flammable onboard an ICE car.
Yeah I'm not sure why a 20 year old talking point is getting any traction in this sub
I'm pretty sure the point is that remote start is nice. Not that it's a necessity. I'm not sure how you're missing that.
Weird that you say that you drive a Tesla, but you also are repeating the TSLAQ talking points about fires. Here, let me give you the statistics. For the years of 2023 and 2024 there were approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 vehicles sold. Scared? Well in the same years there were 1530 fires for every 100,000 ICE vehicles, and 3475 fires for every 100,000 hybrids. So yeah. You are over \*60 times\* more likely to have your ICE car catch fire than your EV. So please: stop repeating this TSLAQ garbage. And, speaking from Germany, perhaps you just missed the PSAs growing up. But here is why it's not just a theory: [Otkes: Exhaust fumes caused deaths of four at Kirkkonummi home | Yle News | Yle](https://yle.fi/a/74-20011630)
Correct but irrelevant. OP is claiming that lithium fires spread quickly, which is false. If a comment contains two truths and one falsehood, the comment is still false.
It was heavily lobbied to adopt combustion engines. Plus abundance of fuel with the lack of energy infrastructure. Otherwise electric probably would have prevailed.
Could you have maybe just opened the garage door? Or driven in the cold car to increase the load on the engine and speed up warming it up over running it at *checks notes* its absolute lowest heat output available? Beyond that is your understanding of CO and exhaust gases from the 60s and 70s when it was leaded and we didn't have catalytic converters?
I'm dumber for having stumbled on to this post. :(
> I mean, this is why nobody warms up a car inside garage other than for killing oneself. There’s a significant number of people who have done that by accident, either because they forget or don’t realize it’s dangerous. EVs have their dangers, but they only come as a result of catastrophic failure. ICEs are dangerous even in day to day usage.
Every winter when temperatures drop below -20C/-4F here in Finland there's whole bunch of news of cars needing to be towed as they won't start or even stop functioning while driving.
I have my door set to auto close...so I just get out and walk away.
Also, don't have to wait for the engine to warm up for the heater to start working.
"We know a thing or two about *gas chambers*" \-Tesla, apparently
imagine if your ceo emitted poison gas
Imagine if gas cars watched you while you sleep thru the window. This is the reality of gas cars.
For sure. 60-90 seconds for the heat pump loop to pressurize and deliver FULL heat is WAY WAY better than 5-7 minutes for an engine to start producing a trickle of warmth.
Most of the anti-ev people I know are just concerned about being forced to go ev eventually. Which I would also be against. We did have a law that was reversed mandating that 50% of all new car sales are electric by 2030. I didn't buy my Model 3 to "save the environment". Where I'm at all electricity comes from non renewable sources, and lithium strip mining isn't exactly a net zero operation. I bought it because it's neat and I like not going to the gas station. If I had the space and time I would buy a classic ICE car for weekend project/fun
I’m two months in, and I still stop once I’m about 30 ft away, and peer back at it to make sure it locked 😆
It’s a good thing nobody is being forced to make the switch. It’s just the smarter thing to do.
That's pretty fricken awesome actually. I mean until it became so popular that we were probably losing a ton of forests and putting impenetrable smog into the air. I mean we're still doing that but hiding it better I guess.
Good thing nobody ever says EVs are more dangerous than ICE. But wait...ICE cars actually are more dangerous than EVs. But if I say that, the crazies act like I've done something wrong. I guess it's only OK to disparage the competition if your claims are false.
You have obviously never been in an underground parking garage underneath the apartments or condos. People absolutely run their engines in garages, how do you think they get out? Roll them down the hill before starting the engine? It's even worse in very hot or very cold weather.
Thank you for making my point, we wouldn’t treat them any different than ICE cars and our routines would not have change because this is something that is and always was a thing. If EVs were harmful to run in enclosed spaces for long periods of time just like every other vehicle, we wouldn’t have just kept following the same rules as any other vehicle on the road.
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