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Yep, called it, not enough interest to justify even making this. Since battery constraints are a thing there's no reason for Tesla to produce a 500 mile Cybertruck until there is competition with similar range.
Did anyone seriously think this would become reality?
Silverados and Sierras I believe are at 460
The GM Sierra EV is rated for 440, and the R1T is 420. There is appetitie for longer range, just not at what tesla wants to charge for it, I guess.
Ah you must be new here 😬
What is the deal with the main battery size? I recall someone mentioned it's not completely full of cells, even another layer. I think this product makes more sense as an after sale upgrade. Say you find you need more range and don't need the bed to be flat. I know a friend who has a truck and makes deliveries who could be in that position. edit: apparently no room/plans for a larger main pack so this was the only option making it more reasonable.
This. It seems like it was a cash grab…
That's the same logic grocery producers use to reduce the amount of product while keeping the cost the same because their surveys showed people wanted "less product." Innovators do more to claim market share, not less.
> I know a friend who has a truck and makes deliveries who could be in that position. At the additional cost though there’s a lot of other trucks/vans I’d be considering if my job was deliveries
Guilty hahaha
There’s a lot of people that still truly believe that Tesla makes good on their promises, despite the overwhelming history
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Shocking!
Looks like the Cybertuck will be put on hospice soon at this rate.
I prepaid 1000 for the range extender when I bought my CT foundation. Are they going to quietly refund me?
I plugged in $49,990 in December 2019 into a CPI inflation calculator. In February 2025, the equivalent is $62,072, well below the $79,990 you claim is that high because of inflation.
> I recall someone mentioned it's not completely full of cells, even another layer. I think that was a bad take someone had after watching the Munro tear down video. There is a gap below the cells but it’s only about half the height needed for another layer of cells. It’s likely just for protection and venting.
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There is competition with more range at similar prices already.
I mean, $50k to $80k is difficult to justify, as is $70k to $100k, inflation or otherwise. These are very significant discrepancies, no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
I do wonder if they are deciding to do some reconfiguring of the existing battery pack and offering a higher range without the external pack. I haven't heard anyone getting a refund yet for their pre-orders, so that makes me think they are still going to make some kind of range extender, but something about the specs has changed, maybe the price. Maybe higher price, maybe no external battery pack. Unclear.
He still has a point that the gap is a lot smaller than people quote.
If you add inflation to the 2019 dual motor price you still come up about $18k short of the current dual motor price.
I'd prefer a more expensive pack than the extender that takes up space. It was never really a good option to begin with. Would be cool if they can have a higher range (430 mi or so) pack, and then maybe an external pack that gets you to 500, but I'm guessing there is not a big enough market for that, and if I was Tesla I just wouldn't support it.
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Classic move
Using your bed space for more range always seemed half baked. That’s where the spare tire goes! 
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Non-refundable, baby. /s. I think they would have to.
What's the issue with stopping for a charge? I needed the range for towing.
Thank you for the reasonable/realistic take
FULL SELF DRIVING by 2017!
I think the GMs are legit 400+. My R1T may be rated for 400 but it’s closer to mid-300 with a light foot.
The mark of a TRUE LEADER!
Ask people who booked the Roadster 2
It's officially a flop and now DOA
Hope is not a strategy
The real issue was they announced a price on a vehicle that was not even close to ship. Aka their original range estimates are now laughable. Covid this Covid that...it wasn't ready. Should have waited
Sure.
No where in my comment did I hope for anything. I don't care if they offer it or not. They could can the feature because it's not worth it to support it.
500 mile range would be nice, but i think true mid-300 highway range would satisfy quite a few customers currently sitting on the sideline.
Yes. The thing is, all 500 gets you is mid-300s highway. You don’t charge 100% full, except at the beginning of a long trip. You won’t supercharge back to 500 on a trip. You won’t get 500 with AC/heat on You won’t get 500 going faster that 65mph, or spirited driving You won’t get 500 with hills/headwind You won’t get 500 after a year of battery degradation And you won’t get 500 with all freeway driving. 500 EPA rated is a best case scenario, I see it as more of a guarantee that you actually get >300mi in most cases.
The pack is completely full. The gap beneath the cells is there for safety from puncture.
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That only works if you got the bigger pack to start, but yeah makes no sense as a configuration option. Like make a bigger main pack option, and only have this as a factory option for the most extreme highest battery option. Otherwise, it's only available after delivery. Better than replacing the main battery or replacing the truck.
...yes.
Last i remember, rivian has a patent on a removable battery range extended. Probably couldn't work something out
Maybe they really wanted avoid double stacking the batteries. Regardless Tesla truly screwed missing their numbers, both range and cost by such margins. Yes five years went by but we are up against forty to fifty percent price increases for some configurations. The only nice reason I could give for the extender being dropped is that they think they can solve it with their new dry cathode 4680 modules. Tesla seemed to go full on driven by cost once each of their previously best in the industry numbers got beaten. Example, being best in range till Lucid came by and then Tesla seemed to drop that as a goal.
I feel like it has to do with rising costs and not enough demand for it so they would rather scrap it and focus on more profitable things that need batteries
Millions of pre-orders. 47k sold… Maybe the CT was Teslas first flop?
Yeah I kind of get the EPA rating but it really needs a city/hwy thing like ice cars have because the difference can be drastic
what is that
Until EV trucks can handle towing without loosing 50-80% of range. I think phev trucks like the ram charger (690 miles fully charged and gassed up) and the upcoming scout trucks are gonna be the way forward.
next theyll drop the cybertruck, a waste of five years of development that nobody wanna buy.
Hybrids fulfill this need better and for less money.
I couldn’t even get Tesla to refund me for a steering wheel upgrade I cancelled via the app. I tried emailing, calling, visiting service center, etc. Finally had to open a dispute with my credit card and got my money back that way.
Yes and no - Rivian has found a way for a highway eco mode to get approximately the same stated range despite many of these things. Most of the range things are also true to some extent with their equivalents in ICE cars. That said, I've gone from wanting to upgrade my 22 MYP to being willing to wait for material price cuts or material range / efficiency / charge curve improvements.
Does anyone know, is there any existing, included hardware to accept this auxiliary battery that people have found? Even threaded holes or any structural remnants that show this was prepared for? Possibly even wiring junctions, coolant junctions etc? Not seen any information on that topic, and would be interested in the physical evidence this was more than a concept.
Take into account some states have their own EV credit on top of the $7500 Federal too.
vaporware
That still means they did not honor the pre-orders they advertised and took deposits for.
I have a gen2 Rivian, and it’s just as fickle on Conserve mileage as our Model X. It varies *a lot* depending on how you drive, and getting the rated 400+ miles is a pipe dream on the freeway. While these things affect ice as well, it’s all a matter of how much. Nobody considers AC a realistic hit to daily ice mileage, but because EVs are so efficient, everything that sips more power has a more noticeable impact. With ice, you pretty much get ~35% efficiency whether you use it not, so the rated mileage tends to be more stable/consistent across different situations. Just my experience.
Unfortunately the Scout RE version only tows 5k.
The range was 315 instead of "300+" and therefore the price can go up $30,000? Come on.
To be perfectly honest, towing on a battery powered car is probably not reasonable for 99% of people. Its just not worth lugging around the extra batteries to not be used for everyday driving. I think itll be a while until (if ever) BEV will be optimal for frequent tow-ers.
My $58k Silverado EV work truck came with a 230 kWh pack already built in. On a full charge I drive for 5+ hours straight at 80mph. For me range is king especially when towing.
Spammy kid with r/im14andthisisdeep vibes.
Exactly
It’s a pricing issue above anything else
That’s because in an accident it becomes a literal exploding missile.
The Model 3 was originally announced to start at $35k in 2016. It is currently selling at $42.5k in 2025. Minus the ev credit, and you can buy one for $35k. Something tells me the Cybertruck production lines are not going to hit the efficiency of the Model 3/Y lines.
It is flabbergasting how many people are still drinking the kool-aid.
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100% false.
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The 47k comes from a Fred article and is wrong.
The work truck trim is a great value, but iirc the pack in them are "only" 205kWh.
Curious what your towing range is, weight and conditions ? If I want to travel south with an EV I have a 400km stretch between chargers that is questionable during the winter (tesla's own routing says it cant be done and turns a 3 hour drive into a 12 hour trip)
But my point isn't about the Cybertruck's starting price, it's that the Model 3 is actually beating 2016>2025 inflation by $4k even before you give it the $7.5k tax credit. As noted by the other poster, the Cybertruck has an $18k discrepancy even with inflation on the other hand. That's nothing but an overpromise.
Do we have other estimates?
LOL
Precisely. If they priced it like advertised, no one would ever question its unconventional looks.
There is surprisingly. Sandy Munro talks about it in one their ct battery tear down videos.
The CT subreddit recently vetted a 64k VIN so it’s at least that many. Fred’s estimate for one didn’t count Mexico and Canada sales. In general there is a lot of anti cybertruck FUD floating around mainly related to politics that it would be good to take with a grain of salt.
Munro himself said it but that was an early take before he had fully reviewed all the data.
Towing range is usually 1/2 to 1/3rd of the normal driving range depending on shape and weight of trailer, driving speed and elevation change. I think you would come up just short unless your trailer is pretty small or the road is particularly flat.
mountain road, fairly heavy tow (10,000 + lbs) and -20 to -40c weather. Usually average around 8.5mpg with a gasoline engine babying it on the hills.
Why wouldn't they drop it? I mean, why sink the engineering, manufacturing, and raw material resources into an unpopular add-on for a failed product? I won't be surprised when we see the Cybertruck quietly disappear from the configurator.
That just means 64k manufactured. Plenty of those are still sitting on lots, in transit, have been returned due to lemon laws. Not at all unrealistic that 10k CTs have been returned/unsold.
AKA _The Ghost Car_
Regardless of the accuracy of the number, even going with 64K, it's very much failure for a vehicle programme that was supposed to be ramping towards 250K units per year. At this rate, it is selling less than the Model S+X and they've been around for a decade.
100% agree for right at this moment, but I think once EVs make up 90% of vehicles due to their cost and other benefits (its coming) it will be VERY hard to justify paying a LOT more (purchase price, fuel, servicing) for a dedicated tow vehicle that you ONLY use when you need to travel +400miles. They will become very niche once there is fast chargers everywhere and fuel stations start to disappear.
It’s a highly reactive battery to speed and destruction means boom boom
Yes, in that specific example a BEV won't do it, but like driving any EV you will have to make some small changes to your routine, like scheduling in an 8 hour drive a 20min charging stop (or two) somewhere inconvenient.
Yeah the way it’s priced it will always be a low volume premium vehicle. They need to release the cheaper version if they want that to change.
Tesla needed to focus on a TRUE 3 row suv. The Y and X 3rd rows are jokes. America wants full size SUVs. Rivian, galaxy, Hyundai/Kia EV9/ioniq 9 all more practical. Would've transcended the current tesla following who needed a real suv with real 3rd row to add to their garage. Now with tesla charging stations opening up to the competition, and tesla's reputation falling, no one wants a cybertruck and those looking for that true 3 row suv will have competitors to pick from.
Need to change the name to the Hypester Company
>Until EV trucks can handle towing without loosing 50-80% of range. 50-80% is high, but EV trucks won't magically do way better on range loss when towing until the laws of physics change OR the things people tow are actually designed to be more aerodynamic. The problem is what's being towed + physics. The only way to make the percentage of loss smaller by ONLY changing the EV truck would be to make the EV such a giant, unaerodynamic brick that it either blocks the aerodynamic "damage" of the thing being towed, or just make it so inefficient that the efficiency hit of towing is smaller by comparison. But then the actual range is way smaller, so it's not actually better, just seems like towing is having a smaller effect.
BEVs are great for many frequent towers, like lawn companies, and weekend warriors who tow their boats or whatever to a nearby lake. But yeah, frequent LONG distance towing likely won't be good fit for EVs for a while. Not many people are actually doing that, though, as a percentage of truck owners.
Yeah, Sure for the sake of argument lets say 70k, hell 100k.. CT's sold and MILLIONS of reservation? Are you arguing this isnt Tesla Pontiac Aztec?
They’re quietly sliding it in…
Lol ‘u must be new here’ is the lamest thing to possibly comment. Get a new line
Extreme cold (below -20 C) would cut the range by up to half again. An enormous amount of power is needed to warm the cabin and battery at those temps. And if there's a headwind, that would further cut the range. Although getting 8.5 mpg in those conditions towing that load is pretty good I'd say. You'd probably need an insanely high EPA estimated range to be able do that kind of drive with confidence without stopping to charge along the way (like a 1,000 mile/1,600 km rated range when not towing anything). More realistically, there will probably be more Superchargers installed before that kind of battery capacity is feasible and you would just need to stop at one of them along the way there.
They have a connection port but you do need to realize that a range extender of this magnitude is not as simple as hooking an extra battery to a port. It’s the cooling system and BMS that make it significantly complicated. I did call out Tesla’s bluff on this a while back https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/s/uLJwRHAS8V
I swear that Wes or a CT lead engineer posted a response to the teardown by Munro "it looks half full". That's where the speculation that they could double the pack size came from. Edit: [Found it.](https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1777709953723293919). I can't believe I remembered a random tweet from over a year ago. I need to stop wasting my mental storage on these CT pack fantasies LOL.
HAHAHAHA
And my FSD unsupervised
Yeah I was just curious. Those numbers were with a gas engine. My diesel gets a lot better, like 12mpg. What's interesting is I can't even do the trip with a model 3 long range (going by the estimates) in those conditions either (Grande Prairie to Hinton Alberta)
I’m confident it’ll be released by the end of next year 🤥
By then my M3 with 120k+ miles will get plenty of use with it 😭
Exactly… it will come out right after they solve level 4 autonomy in FSD. (Sarcasm)
Had to send a bank check for 50k and it's been years with no updates. Or a final price.
This guy Verges
Please change the name of this sub to ihatetesla because that's all it is
Good
Yeah, no chance at that temperature. In good weather, I can just barely make it about 350 km at highway speed (120 kph) with my Model Y. I could go farther if I slow down but I don't think there's any chance that I could go 400 km if it's -20 C.
Did 5k on my card, 45k cash 2 days after. Got my refund when he went all nuts with talking about rockets on the car
Pretty wild to start talking about the rocket/space package when you can't even give people an estimate within 2-3 years of when the base car will even come out, after collecting 50k from them
I bet a higher range cybertruck is coming out with dry cathodes.
Ahhhh! Did Elon break one of his promises again? What’s the over under on when the roadster will be cancelled for good?
Price and range, missed both marks by a country mile.
I think they need to drop the whole Cybertruck and replace it with a vehicle that has mass market appeal.
Damn that sucks. Has there been lawsuits of this? I know $50k probably not devastating for people buying a roadster but still, I’d want to sue just on principal lol
Ya no shit, everyone hating on elon. What really sucks - if there was an asteroid hurdling towards earth. Who is the one person we all will look too. We are being petty, this man is on the spectrum but has changed the future existence of human kind. Everyone grow up.
Well u can't really claim damages since u can get your money back - maybe sue for time value of money?
I don’t know much about Pontiac lol so I can’t answer your question. I think the way it’s priced it won’t ever be more than a low volume premium truck. If they want to sell a lot higher volume they need to drop the price. Those reservations were for a different priced truck.
Yon aren’t wrong. I grew up I truck country. Where truck were cheap and useful. Many trucks are neither now, including the CT.
My biggest problem buying another Tesla is mostly Brand damage that has been done in the last 6 months by Elon.
I grew up in pickup truck country. Pickups used to be all about being cheap and useful. With a short bed (might as well be a subaru brat) and expensive its neither useful or cheap. Maybe Elon needs someone who can say no to him? Elon's feature creep made this expensive (everything 48v, three motor, all wheel steering, drive by wire, etc..)
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