Tesla Q1 All Hands meeting

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This appears to be live and still ongoing, it starts about 29 minutes into the stream.

I feel like the more he talks, the less he makes sense. Like I watched 10 mins of him talking and he just makes things up as he goes. He even tried to talk about how the stock market is "emotional". So does it mean we hate the company when the stocks are low? He also endorsed how his robots will start replacing human workers. Its gonna be a weird year for Tesla all of a sudden.

I don’t know if it’s emotional, but at least for TSLA, I wouldn’t call the market rational.

People do buy/sell based on emotions causing stocks to go up and down day to day, but long term stocks generally go up based on the fundamentals he mentioned including products produced getting better as time goes, but I would add it helps having profitable products, low debt and a huge lump of cash on hand. Nintendo, Tesla are a couple that come to mind that have that. He made sense to me

Which has worked out very well for Tesla, ironically.

The stock market is definitely emotional. It’s driven by human behavior, and people often make decisions based on feelings like fear, greed, or excitement.

I tuned in just in time for him to start talking about the fact that we live in an alien Netflix series and then the stream ended which was good because I wasn't about to listen to another second of that.

> He even tried to talk about how the stock market is "emotional". this is 100% true, if you don't see this, stay out of the markets

Yeah, and when sales figures for Q1 are made public…

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He needs to announce his resignation as Chairman. There is no successful path forward for Tesla that has his involvement. This is a critical juncture and he needs to make the right call. We need a Chairman that will be present in the company. Not one that has 10 different companies and a government "appointment" to work on. Now, if this were any other chairman, I'd see the reasoning behind allowing him to juggle projects. But right now, Elon's name is cancer. He is nothing but an anchor. Dragging Tesla down by the throat while adding 0 value to it. Just fucking resign. Tesla will probably rebound within the year if it distances itself from Elon and starts planning a new way forward.

"OKAY OKAY SO HERE IS OUR PLAN FORWARD I CAME UP WITH THIS LAST NIGHT WE'RE GONNA REPLACE OUR ENTIRE WORKFORCE WITH ROBOTS THEN WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE S3XY LINEUP TO MATCH CYBERTRUCK. BUT INSTEAD OF STEEL WE'RE GONNA USE TITANIUM. IT'LL BE LIKE 40X MORE EXPENSIVE BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BUY IT. THEN WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW CAR, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE WHEELS, IT WILL HAVE 4 ROBOTIC LEGS LIKE A DOG. WE'RE GONNA MAKE SO MUCH MONEY! JESUS CHRIST WHY AM I COVERED IN ANTS"

He is right the stock market is emotional and some stocks are much more emotional than others. Tesla stock highly discontinued from reality and normal fundamentals. Harsh truth is Tesla stock has been highly over valued for a while purely on emotion. The hard crash has started. There is zero reason why Tesla should be valued more than all the other auto makers combined at only 2% their output. A 95% drop from its peak is arguably still over valued. That is more to put it in perspective of how emotion based Tesla stock is and could crash hard. It is losing the emotional part and going back to fundamental values which means bring it back down to earth.

This was great. Anyone saying otherwise is missing the bigger picture of the company.

Just like SpaceX, I wish Tesla would revert some of it's marketing policies in regards to where events are posted. I had no idea this was even happening.

Sir Isaac Newton famously said, “I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people” after losing a considerable amount of money in the South Sea Bubble, a stock market crash in 1720

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His ego would never allow that to happen, unfortunately.

I think the most sensible thing is everyone gets another free month of FSD

It’s almost like he hangs around too much with another narcissistic leader who rambles for hours

lol agreed

Are you invested?

As a shareholder, i will absolutely not support that.

Why? What value has Elon added to the company in recent memory? He himself admitted that he is too busy to run Tesla.

Elon is super important to the company. If he is out tesla will likely to go bankrupt.

I scrolled and watched segments here and there, and I agree. Musk is clearly still very much emotionally invested in the company. it also felt a lot less scripted than the usual annual/quarterly shareholder and product launch meetings

But why. Why is he so important? I say again, Elon himself already said that he isn't able to run Tesla with all the other things he's doing. I'd be shocked if he has spent more than an hour in a Tesla office since the new year. What would happen if Elon is fired? His desk will get cold? It's already ice cold. The company will have no leader? It already does. Again, what value is Elon adding to the company right now.

We've been talking about humanoid robots for years. It's going to be wild when they produce 100000, than 1m, 1B....

Negative value. I would wager that Tesla has a better chance of bankruptcy with Elon than without him at this point.

Everyone gets fsd and accel boost…permanently

Why?

If a company is so fragile that a single heart attack results in a company going bankrupt, that sounds like a company no one would invest in. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm not saying that you're right. I am saying that if you are right, that is a massive problem and any board of directors that is okay with this should be fired and replaced instantly.

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If it were any other company, it would be mostly globally irrelevant with its chairman who makes it their sole priority, but still doesn’t bear any significance. The number of times Tesla has been led to do what nearly everyone else said was a bad idea, only to catapult further despite the naysayers and people who continue to think that Reddit is a real place, is just proof that the last thing they should do is listen to the people stating that they should be like everyone else. Hard pass.

Running a large scale manufacturing company in US is extremely hard, it takes special person to succeed. I'm investing in tesla is really because of Elon.

In the short term, the market is a voting machine (partly emotional). In the long term, it’s a weighing machine (true value driven).

The main thing is talent. People want to work for the man. Without that, Tesla just becomes another car company.

It’s less the “making things up” part and more the “oh I said a thing so I need to double-down on the thing I made up” part.

And down >35% for the year to date.

From the people I have spoken to, who think it is ok to firebomb people's cars, they won't be satisfied until he has no stake in the company at all. They want him to suffer financially and they look down on anyone who contributes to his wealth. Even then I don't think everyone will change their mind on the brand.

Every time they do the free month it just reaffirms to me that it’s not worth a penny.

Absolutely

Jesus, this guy has reached mythological levels for some people. He's just a man, the company is not going to suddenly go bankrupt if he were to die tomorrow. What even makes you think this honestly? There were ridiculous people who said the same thing about Steve Jobs and Apple.

People no longer want to work for him, he's ruined that. Combine his extremely off-putting toxic political persona with the extreme working conditions their market for talent isn't quite what it was even just a couple years ago.

That might have been true years ago. But the Twitter and recent events has shown his incompetence.

unfortunately? The creativity and innovation ended with Jobs; as a $TSLA shareholder, his ego comes with the package.

If he can actually appeal to conservatives and get them to buy EVs, that will have a big long term positive climate impact, but at the cost of the stock price  If he can't achieve that, he can no longer continue to Tesla's mission or its financial success and needs to go.  Though if they actually pull off autonomy that still changes everything and achieves both.

Those people are idiot and could hurt someone, why don’t you report them?

The first time they did the free month they followed up with a newer of FSD that people loved. I think the second round of free month they wanted to test the result. I think these free months were there mainly to collect data.

They haven't done any damage themselves, otherwise I absolutely would. But I agree, it's absolutely disgusting behaviour and very dangerous.

Care to elaborate?

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Tesla is the only car company in the US that hasn't gone bankrupt. Its been close to miracle that tesla even be where its at today. Anyway I guess we can agree to disagree.

There was a time where he was beating the odds, pushing Tesla beyond the expected, but that's not what he's doing anymore. There is nothing special he has done for the company in years now. He doesn't even have the time to participate, he's not much more than a figurejead who throws in random bad decisions. You have to accept that people change, this is not the same Elon. Tesla needs its Tim Cook. People are no longer buying Teslas because of Musk, they're buying them in spite of him, and it's getting harder and harder for people to justify doing so. Tesla used to be cool.

>He also endorsed how his robots will start replacing human workers. And? What is your issue wit this? Should we get rid of the industrial robots in the factory if it means there are more job for human workers? Human jobs should be the priority instead of efficiency?

“The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.” Human trading drives financial markets, and because humans are emotional so are those markets.

Generally at an all hands meeting you talk about internal company achievements, challenges, milestones, answer employee questions, etc. Not pitch your company's products/services to your own employees and then live stream it. EDIT: Looks like he answered some brown nosy softball questions. I really hope Tesla does actual internal all hands meetings with executives other than Elon where employees can feel comfortable bringing up real concerns. Can't really bring up a concern with Elon given his reputation of getting rid of people who don't agree with him.

He started before he even announced to buy Twitter, and we are almost 3 years after the initial announcement … I’m not seeing that many conservatives buying Cybertruck, let alone all the other models … so maybe it will come true in a couple more months just like all of his other famous promises. Or, let’s be real here and admit that he is a lost cause

He brings hype and at least to some people, the prospect of unprecedented profits selling lvl5 FSD to all cars in the world. With him gone. Tesla becomes just a car company. The valuation Tesla has is dumb and based on hype of something unprecedented from Tesla. I don't like the man but spaceX and Starlink have done unprecedented things that have already changed the world but will change it even more in the future... Which brings up another point, even if he sells all his Tesla stock, there is even more value in being the defacto space shuttle for the world in the future... And the promise (which is looking more likely everyday) of world wide WiFi access to the Internet..even in the middle of the ocean or at the top of Everest.

*cries in RWD*

When was the last time that your statement was true? The sensor removal? The freaking turn signal buttons? The damn honk button? The wireless chargers that only fit certain phones?

Dude, RWD feels faster than 90% of ICE cars. Tesla doesn’t make a slow car.

No

Lots of ngmi attitudes in here You will be proven wrong, again, for the 10000th time - and you won’t admit your mental model is flawed after. You’ll just keep yapping and being wrong. Sad!

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I remember when they kicked out Steve Jobs. After 10 years and apple absolutely stagnating. They had to bring him back, buy out his new companies and pay him a bunch of money. He then introduced the iPod and then after that the iPhone. I don't understand how people do not realized the importance of Elon to Tesla.

Your correct in that the only thing Musk brings to Tesla anymore is hype. But his hype is gone, he's tarnished Tesla's brand, tarnished his brand that propped Tesla up so. It's going to keep getting worse for the stock until something is done.

Tesla will die without Elon. He is the golden goose.

Nah, the psychos will find some other reason to hate Tesla. r/electricvehicles always has and they’re a fucking EV sub. It’s even worse in ICE subs. ITS ALL COMPUTER.

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This is just giving in to terrorism.

People will leak stuff anyway. Why not cut out the middleman?

Hold your head up high! We all together!

Exactly... no reason to even attempt to appease the terrorist. They wont stop at anything but complete ruin so why bother.

I want a free car

Things don’t always happen the same way twice. But I’m game to test it. Fire Elon and see if Tesla will need to hire him back or not.

Agreed 100%

“Last time I was here I had $1.4 billion in a bag. Has anybody seen it?”

The stock market is definitely driven by human nature which is defacto emotional. Unless, you have a good explanation why the stock has down 10% several times in the past, only to quick recover. It's not like the company's business prospects changes from day to day. He is a technologist that sees robots coming, heck, he is building them. It is part of Tesla's core strategy. He could just gaslight everyone like politicians like to do, but instead he is being honest. The job market will change dramatically in the next 5-10 years. But as with the industrial age, it will be mostly an age of abundance.

it will be horrible Q1! I can't wait for the panic to load up!

It also isn't right to do either!

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I was complaining about what happened on Jan 6 and I am complaining about Tesla now. I don’t vandalise anything though, I just boycott the company and give drivers funny looks. That is until either Elon steps down AND sells his majority stock, or until he is removed from involvement in the government and his interference with foreign governments is halted.

Sell while you’ve got your dignity

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You mentioned that he said the stock market is emotional, and that did not make sense to you? Did you hear that for the first time? Short term, stocks are almost completely governed by emotion. That is one reason that trying to time a stock is stupid. Perhaps you also have never heard Warren Buffet's quip: In the short term, the market is a popularity contest. In the long term, the market is a weighing machine.

even if it's not fire-bombing, there is zero chance Tesla can build a driverless taxi fleet with this much dislike. people already "cone" self-driving cars or do other things to cause them to be stuck, or just stand in front of them. jaywalking is not enforced and Musk isn't going to have political sway to start enforcement. until Musk owns 0% of the company, the robo-taxi business cannot happen. it only takes 1 in 100k people to dislike Musk enough to jaywalk in front of the cars to make the robotaxi service non-viable. I would bet that number is currently 1 in 10 within most cities. all of the work to prepare for robo-taxis is worthless as long as he is associated with the company.

he needs to go. they cannot operate a driverless taxi service as long as he is associated with the company or holds any stock. people already dislike driverless taxis enough to vandalize them or stand in front of them to stop them from operating. it takes about 1 in 100k people to dislike a taxi service enough to jaywalk in front of it at a stop light and the service is toast. I would be the current number is 1 in 10 in most cities. not 10k, I mean 10. how do you have a successful robotaxi business if people delay the cars enough to make it frustrating to use? or even to vandalize the cars. who would take an uber if there is a coin-flip chance the uber breaks down halfway to the destination and you have to sit there for 15min while a service tech comes out? shareholders need to throw him overboard and somehow buy out his shares. it's the only path forward for the company.

Isn't that because that's exactly how he's been living? Using drugs to keep awake and burning the candle at both ends. It's why you see all these weird rants and retweets in the dead of night from him.

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Talk for yourself.

This cruel a-hole is out of his mind. He deserves all the shit he's getting. He wants people to like him sooo badly. It's pathetic.

?Por que no los dos?

If Elon goes, I sell my shares. It's his vision that got us here in the first place. The guy's a genius. Luckily it's up to the people WITH shares to decide.

I have a friend who works at SpaceX. He is a higher up person also, but I won't say exactly what position in order to protect him. He says that whenever Musk is on site, productivity drops massively because everyone is scared of him. He has to work with Musk sometimes and hates it. Well, not sure how often he has to work with him anymore. This was well before we knew that Musk had political interest. I doubt Musk is on site at SpaceX or Tesla much anymore. Edit: He also said that Musk is not exactly as smart as people think. He seems to have a general idea of how stuff should be done or what should be possible, but has no clue how difficult it would be or how long it should take to get there. He just wants it done now, which doesn't always work out.

I don’t think he’s the same guy that was about saving the environment and promoting technology that makes the world better. There’s nothing he’s doing with doge that has the same values that are what got me into my teslas so I think he will drag down the brand because he lost his vision.

he should rule the earth

TLDR?

Every human wants people to like them. Some admit it, some try to hide it.

Jobs was kicked out of Apple for different reasons though. Even if you disagree about Musks politics, running Tesla, SpaceX, X and Doge has to be too much for one person.

He's been saying for quite some time already that it's possible we live in a simulation. Article from 2018! [https://www.space.com/41749-elon-musk-living-in-simulation-rogan-podcast.html](https://www.space.com/41749-elon-musk-living-in-simulation-rogan-podcast.html)

Right and that isn’t under Teslas control. They can’t make him sell. Even if he did, the type of person willing to firebomb a car associated with Musk will make a new excuse even if he did divest.

I have a Porsche 718 Boxster. The LR model 3 pulls way way harder.

I'm not aware of any laws that would prevent him from simply re-buying tesla stock.

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They have to get to a minimum of a billion miles of safe FSD driving. So they package it as we want to give everyone a free month because we care.

These social justice warriors that resort to violent protests are always looking for the next bigger and better thing to boycott. Something else will piss them off and they will move on to protesting that. Boycotts don’t last forever. What happened to Occupy Wall Street? Did they achieve their objective? It lasted like 2 months. Or Anheuser Busch. The boycott changed a lot of people’s minds…for a while. People are back to drinking bud light.

Elon Musk's actions have significantly damaged Tesla's customer base, and his leadership is steering the company toward potential bankruptcy. If Tesla were to remove him and require him to divest his stake, the company would have a strong opportunity to rebuild its customer relationships and recover its position in the market.

Agreed

Sorry, why would you give drivers funny looks? Why do you judge them without knowing anything about them, their financial situation, whether it is their car or a company car. Since when owning a car / fridge / dog, house etc became a political statement. Would you also give someone a funny loom for having a Tesla solar panel on their house? Would you expect them to tear it down just to demonstrate that they don't support Musk? I am fully with you about boycotting any company you disagree with. But please mind your own business.

Report someone for *thinking* something is okay? So much for free speech huh

I will look the way I want, please mind your own business.

The last big thing for Tesla was probably the Model Y launch 6 Years ago. But even that wasn’t something especially new or revolutionary. The Germans were able to catch up and the Chinese are surpassing them at a alarming rate

Boycott ≠ vandalism

He’s the same ol’ Elon. Everyone in the comments acting like he’s gone CrrAzzYyYy aren’t watching and listening, just being emotional.

Brrro, it’s definitely worth a PENNY. I don’t know if it’s worth 100 bucks a month, but it’s definitely worth at least a few bucks a month, eaasssyy.

Can he takes Tesla privat?

Robotaxi will print money. Safe to say you’re not an investor. Also, it’s the best way to get as many rides, as quickly as possible, on electricity instead of gas. It’s the best for the environment.

No laws or really much action with a toothless SEC but you can create poison pills; same way you prevent hostile takeovers.

Seconded.

If you think Robotaxi will see the light of day in any shape as it has been promised, you haven’t been paying attention for the past eight years. As a former stockholder since I bought my 2017 Model S, and pre-paid to help in the development of FSD, the promises haven’t been kept. I still have the car, and it still performs excellent, but you can’t get anywhere solely on FSD.

You gonna keep copypasting this?

You must be new here. Robotaxi isn't coming this decade.

Model Y sell down is already reversing in China, but 2 months of sell down vs 1 of ramp does not create a YoY gain.

Of course you can, people are having zero-disengagement rides every day. You quit early on the company. I suggest reconsidering that stock position. Being a doubter in the past was reasonable, but being a doubter now is just denying the fact that people are taking rides while never touching the wheel or pedals. It’s only gotten better. I can imagine it being annoying if you bought FSD in 2017, and certainly Elon’s timeline was way off, but that doesn’t mean it’s not coming.

Disagree.

lol been following since the beginning. You must be emotional

And the number 3?

What a waste of time. 🤣 He needs to step away from Tesla and go play his government job. Who is running SpaceX? Who is running Twitter/X? Can't be in ...I'd say 2 places at once, but this would be 6 places at once (Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Starlink, Twitter/X, and government).

Kinda tricky to do when you're running over a dozen companies/ventures. We need clones ideally. Get some of that juicy IQ/drive replicated.

Uh huh. And FSD will drive you from LA to NY with zero human interaction … _next year._ And the roadster will ship … _in 2020_. And I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge … _trust me!_

Lol yes, there’s a bunch of things that didn’t hit their timeframes, but there’s also a lot of things that DID! It would be foolish to think that those guys at Tesla can’t come up with a solution given enough time. Some stuff requires patience.

Basically just a summary of where they are and where they are going. And a lil Q&A session at the end.

Sure, but FSD is _fundamental_ to the Robotaxi being successful and it still isn’t good enough after a decade of promises. There is no question an autonomous taxi service will be successful one day. But I have zero confidence it will be Tesla to achieve it while Elon Musk is running the company. The hype has exceeded the reality for a long time now. They need a more serious, product focused approach with competent leadership at the top.

Yes everything sucks right now but we're totally going to do better things like next year or the year after that maybe, keep buying

Which is how many joints I smoked today! I forgot what we were talking about Kremet.

Your skepticism of Musk is clouding your judgement of where, in the development process, the tech is. It is just about good enough to start rolling out remote-supervised cabs. The date is set. They are moving forward and, as Musk put it, slowly dipping their toes in. I don’t know why everyone thinks they were *promised* FSD. It’s a *transaction*. Elon certainly played some peeps, overstating the tech in the past, but you got what you paid for, and they’ve been simultaneously grinding away, to essentially catch up to what Musk claims. Gotta be annoying, I’m sure, for people who paid so much. But that whole cart-before-the-horse game doesn’t actually change the reality of the tech. It’s great tech. Already perhaps the greatest product, but that reality needs time to take hold in the populace.

Stock Market is emotional. If you invest purely on logic, you'll be fine, but there's a clip of Jegg Bezos talking about Amazon's stock dropping, but internally his company metrics showed his company was growing a lot. Logic shows good investments, but emotions allow the stock to thrive or die

I don't think anyone knew this was happening to be honest.

What happens when you have more than 1 car. I own 3. How would that work?

I'ld vote my shares for that.

It should be buy one unlocks all cars under your account tbh. You buy the fsd feature for your multiple cars. Your data is what makes fsd possible

[I believe these are the cliff notes for the meeting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w)

I would buy it

I would never, ever, get into an autonomous robotaxi given my most recent experience w/ FSD. At least auto wipers have improved over the last three years.

Isn't all of Tesla's value in FSD? If they give it away for free, what would that mean for Tesla's future?

Their value is artificially inflated.

Yeah that’s not why I hold the stock. I will own while Elon runs the show, even if I wish he would stfu and execute.

> I really hope Tesla does actual internal all hands meetings with executives Not a chance. We know what happens to people who speak up at Tesla against him.

>Generally at an all hands meeting you talk about internal company achievements, challenges, milestones, answer employee questions, etc. Literally what he did? Did you even watch the video??

I'm ve saying for a couple of weeks that I'll give it 90 days. Despite his ego and power on the board, the shareholders have to push for a change as the brand reputation is beyond damaged and may never recover. Especially in places like Europe where BYD and others will dominate.

I do wonder if he submitted his 5 bullet points this week.

I mean the cars are fantastic and this public hate will fade in 6 months so yeah

In the last 12 months is has outperformed the major indices, but in the last 3 months it has SIGNIFICANTLY underperformed. And guess what happened in the last 3 months? It's down **44%** while NASDAQ, dow, and s and p are down about 5%.

By the time FSD works as a robotaxi, there will likely be multiple competitors in market. Waymo and the Chinese companies are already running millions of miles of actual robotaxis.

50 a month would be a buy for me. It’s a great product but subscription fatigue is real. With a 300/mo lease this increases my Tesla’s operating cost by 33%

Agreed

sorry why do you think public hate will fade exactly? the stock is incredibly bloated, always has been. it was a trillion dollar car company with steep competition and poor financials, even elon has called it idiotic to be in the car industry.

Nothing short of being invited directly into all board meetings will please most people on here

That correct, but some people didn’t get the news.

Apple stock was $13.47 when Steve Jobs left. It’s now $214.00.

Fsd has also improved drastically over the last 3 years. It's only a matter of time before it's accepted as part of the norm, not just fsd but other companies robotaxis.

Because I don’t think the other EV companies will survive in the US without tax credits etc. along with the fact that Elon said from the beginning his doge thing was a temporary position, and people will get enraged with the next thing. Stock will hurt for a while but I think some EV companies will get flushed out here

True about there being competition, but tesla will have the cost advantage, assuming their brand reputation isn't still tarnished.

I truly hate reddit, their hate of Elon even is here Model Y on track to be bestselling car in the world in 2025 for the third year in a row Tesla produced its first Optimus robot at their new production line at Fremont • New Optimus hand with 22 degrees of freedom (up from 11) and new forearm is now in production • A Tesla Cybercab will ultimately roll off the production line every 5 seconds (vs 35 seconds for Model Y). • Tesla's 4680 cell is now the lowest cost cell per kWh in the world • Dojo 1 is active in NY and Palo Alto, and handling ~10% of the FSD training load currently • Dojo 2 on the way. Will be 10x better vs Dojo 1. "Real shot at a breakthrough." • Tesla on track to build 10 millionth car in 2026 • Model Y on track to be bestselling car in the world in 2025 for the third year in a row •  Tesla Semi truck factory remains on track to complete construction this year • Elon wants to experiment with much larger gigacasting machines, potentially up to 50,000 tons (from 9,000 currently) • Produced 160,000 NACS adapters at Giga NY • Record battery production currently happening at Giga Nevada • Tesla's Cortex supercomputer at Giga Texas is currently 50,000 GPUs. Will soon be 100,000. At that point, it will be a top 5 global training cluster.

No other fledgling auto startup that failed received govt assistance?

That may be the case, but it’ll be a competitive market which means Robotaxi won’t “print money” as the original post stated. The insane P/E, Elons comments about “valuable as next X companies combined” are all based on a technology / service that’s likely to be fragmented and commoditized from a market perspective, despite the incredible tech achievements (not dissimilar from what we’re seeing with AI). Great from a consumer standpoint, but not great from an investment that’s still 5-10x overvalued and relying on future earnings growth from this market.

I literally wrote it in irrelevant comment, and then notice that no one else brought it up so I also brought it up with the main thread.. relax

While that's probably true, the point would be to make it abundantly clear that the company didn't want him to own any stock. If you still goes rebuys a significant amount, that would just hamper the company and potentially still prevent robo taxi development. Either must walks away or that whole business plan, to the Tesla's primary business plan for the future, is just over

I think it actually is possible to make a bylaw to force somebody to sell the stock.  If that were done people would have no more reason to dislike tesla. At least no more reason than any other electric vehicle. In fact, the people who currently just like Tesla would probably become loyal lifelong owners because of their willingness to throw him out

They likely would make more money off additional cars sold with free FSD than they make off selling FSD separately.

Hes not the chairman, Robyn Denholm is. How can you have such a strong opinion about something you're so uninformed about. Oh right this is reddit, that's reddits whole thing.

Elon Musk's public persona will never, ever be rehabilitated. You are willfully ignoring what is going on if you truly believe it will fade in 6 months, just like you would have to do the same to believe this "next year" bullshit again and again.

'please don't sell your stock' pretty please.

No you just lost YOUR vision on Elon/Tesla. He has the same exact mission for Tesla as he always has had. Every time he states Tesla’s mission it’s the exact same words as he started the company. You should be ashamed for thinking this shit. Just leave the brand if you’re going to act this way and turn your back on one of the greatest entrepreneurs in the world.

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I’m not saying people will go back to LIKING him, but the public will move on to the next rage of the day and it will fade when he’s not poking around where he doesn’t belong anymore

I don't understand why people who hate reddit keep using it. When I decided I didn't like Twitter anymore I just.. left Twitter. Anyway, there are a lot of reasons to be pessimistic about Tesla, and they aren't all about Elon hate. Ignoring that it was Elon that even said these words, I'll remind you of the constant promises of FSD that were pushed back over and over. The general issues with the Cybertruck (I'm talking about truck specific issues like the towing hitch), a general push AWAY from EVs in this administration (this is a reason to be negative about all EVs, not just Tesla). And yes, unfortunately you can't completely divorce opinions of Musk from opinions of Tesla. He made the decision to get intimately involved in a political movement, which is never really a good thing for any company to do. Remember Bud Lite?

Yeah I know, one of those people wrote your comment. You should not call vandalism “boycott”, it’s not the same thing and it sounds like it invalidates actual boycotts, which are non-violent actions of personal choice.

Is this an attempt to be cool because Elon said share holders were emotional yesterday? Don't try to be like Elon.

>I truly hate reddit, their hate of Elon even is here Owner and shareholder since 2017 here. I can be negative without being a "hater." I have logic on my side. Elon is making a lot of bad moves, both at Tesla and doge. The stock is overvalued. Change my mind. One example: "I'm pretty good at predictions". No. No you are not. We were supposed to be summoning our cars from LA to New York five years ago according to your predictions. Now he's predicting the stock will go up "in the long term". Maybe he will accomplish that with rampant inflation. 2030: the stock is $800, but so is a loaf of bread. This was damage control, not an actual employee meeting. At good companies, the employees ask hard, uncomfortable questions confidentially. This was puffery. That said, thanks for taking the time to write it up.

Ding ding. This right here, you can't justify this valuation as a car company. Elon departs and you lose the meme stock premium.

>It's only a matter of time The march of nines is real. Boiling the ocean is hard, it doesn't happen on a schedule.

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This is so obvious I can’t believe anyone holding the stock now would ask for his head. Why would a car company trade at 100PE. Lol

When Jobs left the first time, or the second time?

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After the second time, over 90% of Apple's Value was created under Tim Apple.

How is he making bad moves with doge

I couldn’t disagree more, and I continue to use FSD daily to keep up on what has improved and what has regressed. My experience is anecdotal, of course, but Tesla is aware of actual disengagements, and perhaps they have a good idea via sampling which of these are due to mistakes. For the past two-years, my car will attempt to make a left hand turn into cross-traffic because it doesn’t realize that the green traffic light for the other direction is slightly angled into its line of sight. Another left is made on my 8 minute drive to work into the turn lane of the cross-lane cars, even though this lane is properly recognized by the cameras as belonging to the other direction. So many examples I can give you in Columbus, Ohio with a fairly well-maintained road system. But if you think that Tesla-tech robo-taxis will be a thing in the next three years, you’ve already drank the Kool-aid.

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Now imagine if you leased at the worst possible time and were paying just over 500 per month

Your original comment was that of a hater. You bring DOGE into a conversation about a Tesla All Hands meeting, this is not logical.

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Might be a scary thought for some, but finally getting a Grok AI Agent in my car ('21 HW3 M3LR) should make FSD as responsive and safe as in a current HW4 car, yes? I'm using V12.6.8 98% of the time I'm in the car. Loving it. I only turn it off (and I make sure I tell it why) when I'm trying to avoid potholes it should be aware of or parking the car, which it should be getting better at. We're almost there, folks.

When Tesla’s public perception resolves around Musk, his actions outside of Tesla matter. That includes his actions at DOGE just as much as it does at SpaceX.

Sell your shares, you don't see the vision.

Yup. #1 car globally in the last two years just got a massive upgrade that fixes all the annoying issues with the current one. Gonna sell like hot cakes. Even China that actually has tons of cheaper and good EV options is still choosing the Y.

>Your original comment was that of a hater. I think you have me confused with someone else. What original comment?

People are having very different experiences depending on their specific vehicle, their locations, and the cameras (gotta be clean)

Lol no I'm saying it because people are getting in their emotions and letting it cloud their judgment

Yeah, I kinda feel like anything significantly less than 100 bucks is a no-brainer

If Tesla significantly undercuts everyone else, the competition will wither.

I get the vision, but it seems difficult to achieve. I did sell most back at $350. I might buy back large around $100-150, depending on product progress. I still hold some for sentimental reasons, but my other investments are doing a lot better now. It was really easy to see how an affordable electric car prints money. It's a lot harder to see the end of the tunnel now that growth depends on ai hand-waving. Maybe the company dominates a robot future. But more likely some other lean startup gets there first. The vision is great, but it's carrying a really heavy load. P/E of 100 lol. Godspeed though, please prove me wrong, I want an Optimus doing my laundry yesterday.

Did you just describe all their progress on FSD as "air hand waving"???

I think people understand that Elon has abandoned a loyal EV base, sided with a political group that wouldn't be caught dead in an EV, and are fully expecting sales figures to be abysmal on April 22nd.

Abandoned a loyal EV base? Based on what, continuing to sell EVs? That political base that PREVIOUSLY may not have bought an EV, will now consider it. And yes, deliveries will be low this quarter because they are switching over their lines to the new Model Y and taking on the ramifications of all this stupid hate... but one bad quarter isn't the end of Tesla... and robotaxi is starting up in mere months. And a new vehicle coming...

Heheh, did you just call me Kremet? Hehe, Kremet the frog here!

Time to dump!

No, the "AI" hand waving I'm talking about is full autonomy. Optimus. Supervised driver assistance (nee fsd) is an amazing accomplishment, but it doesn't print money, justifying the stock price today. lmk when I can sleep while the car drives. Maybe next year. Maybe 10 years. The take-rate on fsd is bad. Nvidia is the company printing money now. Thanks to customers like Tesla.

Firing people without authority, shuttering agencies without authority, unnecessarily risking important data by not following Federal data security protocols. For starters. The idea behind the work is sound, and some spending cuts have been reasonable. But to suggest DOGE has a spotless record is wrong.

If Tesla severely undercuts the competition, then the huge profit growth everyone is building into Teslas bull case won’t materialize either.

People don't get what the Model Y is in China. It isn't a GM or Ford, it is a Mercedes-Benz, and the closest competitor is BYD who is comparably BMW. Between their model offerings at the top end, price differences are approximately **100,000 CNY** (or roughly **$13,800 USD).** While a lot, it isn't that much if you compare pricees between MB to BMW in America. All the other models can be considered death traps, there is that one door model, I think called the Candy, yeesh. Xaiomi is pretty up and coming as well, but they still are not price positive. Its funny, I see these features being added to various cars like in car coolers and foot rests, and I think to myself. How much are you losing on those features?

Don't forget firing essential workers without understanding what they do, and then having to scramble to rehire them

I feel like they should have a login prompt when you get inside a Tesla and you can switch accounts and your FSD is tied to the account

absolutely wild take, it's single-handedly the best feature on the car.

Makes my passengers sick. Accelerates and brakes like a teenager with a learners permit. Tries to go straight from turn lanes. Yeah totally amazing.

I think you are wildly underestimating a cheaper taxi ride option when presented to a consumer there are a large and differing array of opinions on Tesla outside of the Reddit bubble

It's only okay when it's insiders I guess, who have offloaded $100M in shares in the last few weeks. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tesla-board-members-executive-sell-off-100-million/story?id=119889047

says the dude posting his business in the public

Planned sales at a planned time. This is pretty common for insiders. Happens at all companies and not illegal.

I didn't realize the sub was a safe space for bulls only.

It will when their comp can’t keep up

I think they would treat it like a transferrable single instance software license. So if you have 3 cars you need 3 licenses, but if you sell a car you can unregister the license on that car and use it on another. Each license can only be used on one car at a time. There would probably be limits on how often you transfer licenses so you aren't constantly switching a single license between multiple vehicles

The pricing structure just doesn't work. Unless you have a long commute, the price is too high. I would much rather purchase FSD by the hour. Hell, let me buy a dozen auto parks for $10 and I'll bite.

Are $1.4B in accounting irregularities? https://archive.ph/A1shA

Why wouldn’t the competition keep up? It’s not like Waymo and others aren’t working to reduce the cost of their hardware and again, are already providing autonomous rides and actively scaling, which will only continue to improve their costs. Tesla still has not even proven that FSD can be used as an autonomous taxi without a driver present. And I’m not saying they won’t eventually, but any level of confidence beyond at some point Tesla will be part of a broader market of providers isn’t realistic based on the facts we have today.

Wow, no facts in your repertoire. He is an advisor, meaning he has no power himself, he is just making recommendations. He is finding "waste" which means tax payer money that should not be spent, also meaning this waste will not affect you because it is waste. The only people that benefit from this are pretty much scammers. These scammers have a way of mind controlling their sheep to stick up for them and the result is what you see now.

I could use a good cry

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslainvestorsclub/s/aU8qwJVXeO Highly recommend reading the tesla 10k filing. It’s accounted for in there, but feel free to verify yourself.

For someone that has been with tesla "from the beginning", it's baffling that you're believing a robotaxi is coming anytime soon. And no, the bottleneck for tesla sales is not in the assembly line, but in a drop on demand.  This won't be the first quarterly drop. Last year q4 also showed an annual drop also. Not to mention that the cars don't nearly as much profit margin per sale compared to 3 years ago. You can give excuses all you want with tesla, and it's your right to hold onto stock as it will continue to drop.  You may want to consider that this car company has become political, and the largely left base that accounts for the bulk of tesla ownership doesn't want to be associated with Musk. But hey, maybe people will trade in their f150s and confederate flags for EVs (hint.... they won't).

Consumers will definitely like a cheaper taxi, but you can't just assume Tesla will be the only robo taxi company, especially considering there are multiple companies currently ahead. You're underestimating the percentage of the population it takes to render a fleet unprofitable. Yes, reddit isn't the real world, but cruise and waymo have already been struggling with this problem, and they have nowhere near as much ill will toward them. Cities are where rideshare is profitable, an account for the vast majority of revenue. But those are also the places where Tesla sales are tanking, and where people already vandalize and block self-driving taxis. Waymo is rolling out years slower than they could be in order to avoid that ill will backlash. Tesla would be starting with 10 times the backlash the cruise ever did. Sure, maybe all of this massive investment will lead to Tesla having a robo taxis and serves only low density suburbs and exurbs, capturing the whole single digit percentage of the rideshare and robo taxi market while they're fleet never goes to or from cities.... There is just no possible way for Tesla to compete as long as musk is associated with them.

Lots of actual stockholders do not want that!

> I'm talking about truck specific issues like the towing hitch What's the issue with the towing hitch? All I've seen is that if you load the truck beyond its max towing capacity and hit a pothole at 85 MPH it could rip off. Avoid doing the above and you'll be fine. Is there some other issue? I don't see reasons to be pessimistic about Tesla right now. From charging infra to the usability of FSD to cybercab to the success of the model Y, they're making a ton of good moves. You need to compare them to competitors.

Follows you app?

Any time something is “free” it re-affirms to me that somehow I am the product in that transaction. In this case it’s my fsd data. I’m fine trading that data for the ability to use the product. In this case it helps remind me why I don’t want to buy it (still not good enough and actually degraded from my POV in that last free trial).

exactly my thought too lol. elon pretty much did all of that 🤣

\> Owner and shareholder since 2017 here. I can be negative without being a "hater." I have logic on my side. Elon is making a lot of bad moves, both at Tesla and doge. The stock is overvalued. Change my mind. Why would you own a stock that is overvalued and dropping in price, and believe that the leader of the company is making bad decisions? \[edit\] As expected, no response to a legitimate question that shines light on the honesty of the original statement. Only thing I'll say... there are people out there carrying guns and setting regular peoples vehicles on fire in the hopes that it will bring a billionaires wealth down from hundreds of billions to only a hundred billion, or tens of billions. There are countless more who have no problem showing up on reddit and spreading hatred and division, and even lie about their "investments" to try and fake credibility.

Bad, meaning VERY illegal.

so if Elon tells you it's waste, you blindly believe it actually is, even though Elon himself has said multiple times some expenses are waste and then the following week he contradicts himself. That's a chaotic way of working and shows you he doesn't understand the inner workings of the State's finances

False. They have argued this *both ways* in court cases, also statement of public records is a thing! Why you would believe what one person who is known to have severe issues with falling for every conspiracy theory they see qualified subjective as "waste" is very "troubling" in Elonesque.

This would be a great way for Tesla to incentivize brand loyalty honestly.

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>Why would you own a stock Sentimental reasons, we had a great run there and I want to allow for the possibility that I'm wrong. I care about the mission and I hope I am. I sold 90% back at 350. I might go large again if the outlook improves or the price declines another 50%.

You sentimentally own a financial investment that you personally shit on. Got it.

How many firemombings have their been in the US of Tesla properties?

Which did one we elected to the highest office?

Is it really “panic” when sales are way down?

My model Y. 1 year ownership. 4 service center appointments that took about a month each. Fantastic! If people thought these cars were reliable as Toyota. They wouldn’t be dropping in price faster than any other car.

"Please don't sell your stock... just wait until I did".

Tesla will do ok in the US where it’s insulated from Chinese competition. Being forced to retreat to one market that you retain simply because of aggressive protectionist policies is not a great prospect for a company.

Trust me I'm not a Musk fan, but I don't think firebombing stores is a good idea.

He believes very strongly in the NRx movement. It’s pretty crazy stuff.

Yeah, it's not a sports team. I love my country, but I criticize it's government too. Imagine. 🤯

Most people just want their loved ones to be ok and spend time with them when they get a break from making a living.

They still want their loved ones to like them :)

For the 10000th time? Dude promised coast to coast summon next month 6 years ago. The TSLA price is where it was 4 years ago. TSLA bros missed the rally of a lifetime. Shit is weak. Keep hodling. Haha

Is my car going to go up in value 1000%? Are you investing all your money in hoarding cars now?

You surely must realize that everything you say makes you seem disingenuous. If you hold stock it's such an arbitrarily small amount that you can justify it as not really being invested. Your claim is: "The stock is overvalued. Change my mind." This is not "criticizing leadership". This is you claiming the company itself is not worth what others claim it is. That is saying you believe the target price of the stock should be lower than what is it. And frankly, if you can't see the difference in criticizing government that has control over the laws, military, and protection of your rights as different from owning stock in a company you clearly look poorly upon, I dunno what to tell you. The rest of the nonsense about whether or not his predictions are good is pointless arguing with a video. You don't think he is? okay. Thanks for shouting it from the rooftops. So far the majority of industry and technology is moving in directions he predicted long ago, despite his ambitious estimates for the company not being met. But sure, equate those two things. It's a minor quibble not worth making, unless your goal is to just sow general discontent. This is just activist nonsense. Get out of here.

I think the correct take is that it seems to work great in some places and awful in others, leading to some people thinking it’s amazing and some people thinking it sucks. Its performance is simply uneven.

>Get out of here. No.

Yeah, no kidding.

He resigned as chairman years ago.

The fact they all clapped after Elon begged them to hold their stocks tells you all you need to know

This for me as well!

Yap yap yap. You’re ngmi

Like he said in the meeting, if you don't like it don't buy it, but why are people fire bombing a completely peaceful company? It's insane

All of the internal all hands I've seen are exactly like this.

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I’m really glad that you can believe “people would have no more reason to dislike Tesla (or anything)” because those people don’t start with reasons to dislike Tesla, they start with “I dislike Tesla” and go on to finding things to support their bias, they have no regard for reality. They hated Tesla before and they will continue to do so, changing their reasons as needed.

Joking about Teslas and dealerships getting lit on fire and then telling your employees to hold their stock positions is not really addressing challenges.

I live in a busy area of California and it works great everywhere I drive. I have 3,000 miles on v13

Exactly now be prepared to be down voted by radicalized morons

Boycotting is fine doesn't do anything , but fire bombing them is insane and a perfect example of the left

Again, this is not the real world in terms of public opinion.

Oh now I get u, you bet against this sub is your place to help your bear motives

I think he's gone as soon as he gets the $40b he's crying to get from his sugar daddy investors.

>quote It is just about good enough to start rolling out remote-supervised cabs. lol it is no where near the level of readiness for remote supervised cabs. They will need to have safety drivers for at least 3 - 5 years but it’s irrelevant the tech isn’t the main problem. Regardless of your or my opinion of Elon being at Tesla it doesn’t matter cause the damage to his image has been done. He made his bed now he must lay in it. You’re assuming cybercab will be massively successful but you’re forgetting the human element. The public can’t separate Tesla and Elon while he is still there. People in cities will vandalize these cybercabs when they launch or do petty shit like putting cones on the hoods to “stick it to Elon”. Unless Tesla licenses FSD to another company, cybercab will never be successful for this reason until he leaves.

At a time you can drive only one car !!

Haters been saying this same type of shit for 10 yrs lol

Time to dump was pre-Xmas

I think it’ll mostly blow over, and there are MANY places that aren’t so blue, where it wouldn’t be an issue. Also, although this hate seems pretty dang deep-seated, Elon has a lot of ways of winning people over. The space stuff, for instance, is hard to not be stunned by. And Tesla may release an UNDENIABLE new cheaper model. And, I mean, it does appear like he is uncovering serious fraud in the government. If he uncovers something big and nefarious, or if he just saves a bunch of taxpayer money, it could be redeeming for some. I gotta admit though, it would be awfully funny, if, after all this, Elon leaves… and then the stock soars.

I sold my shares at their peak! Tesla's target (only) buyer demographic is not ok with Elon's BS, and government contracts are not going to make up for the decline in consumer sales.

Elon will crash Tesla into the ground before he gets kicked out. Then Tesla will end up being bought by Ford, GM, or Toyota and we'll end up with much better cars because of it.

Cheapest Cell made at Tesla. Not in the world

I also live in a busy area of California (Oakland), and within a half a mile from my house, it tried to make a left turn into traffic, dropped a wheel into the dirt off the road, and tried to swerve around a parked car into an oncoming truck. I believe people (you) when they say it works great for them, but I also believe people when they say it doesn’t.

I’d imagine they would deploy cybercab to populated areas i.e. cities which are always blue. Whether or not what he’s doing in the government is good or not is irrelevant. Again it’s all about how the public perceives him and at the moment that’s at rock bottom at least in areas of the country that actually matter for a cybercab rollout. Maybe you’re right and this will all blow over but all it takes is a few bad actors to ruin forward momentum on cybercab and we’ve already seen past instances of vandalism of other autonomous vehicles like Waymo and Cruise.

The problem is that musk is the entire reason tesla as a stock is over evaluated. No matter how much he hurts the brand and the company, the company would only be worth a small portion of what it is right now without elon pumping the stock and over promising. That's why Tesla execs are selling off stock as fast as they can, once they've filled their pockets they're gonna want to cut their losses and fire him but they need to set up their exit strategy because Tesla stock is going to hit record lows once he's gone

Because robotaxis and optimus aren't going to stop just because Elon leaves. And the robotaxis might get better traction if he *does* leave.

I don't think this is true at all. Tesla used to be very popular with the left. Now they specifically hate Elon for several obvious reasons.

>they start with “I dislike Tesla” and go on to finding things to support their bias, they have no regard for reality. They hated Tesla before and they will continue to do so, changing their reasons as needed no, they started with "I hate brash billionaires", and then by extension searched for reasons to dislike Tesla.

again, it does not have to be the real world. the real world already has people vandalizing non-Tesla driverless taxis and now has people vandalizing personally owned Teslas.

But yes the timing is not suspect at all. Nothing to see here!

Shareholder here. Genuinely worried for TSLA. He’s not running it and keeps doing nonsense that gets his companies hated on. They obviously have no plan to stop the bleed. At the same time, in the China market, their biggest market, competitors are pulling ahead with much better products for less money.

There really isn’t.

His response to being asked about robots taking jobs was you will get a group of robots to manage. Thats a lie. The whole point its to take jobs.

I doubt it tbh. I don’t think that public opinion will change for a lonnnnng time esp outside the USA. The stock was already overvalued. Maybe you can wait a few days then sell since there’s a bump rn but I don’t expect it to last.

Those would be good arguments at a much lower PE value. For instance Toyota and WV also produce a lot of cars, you can get their stock at single digit PE valuation. WV also has electric trucks under Traton. These are established brands, with established customers. Those electric trucks are not selling that well for companies making them. The same thing with batteries. There are other companies producing batteries. You don't have to pay PE 100+ to get that. Humanoid robots, check what Softbank sold Boston Dynamics for to Hyundai. Again you can buy Hyundai stock at a much lower PE ratio. So yes Tesla has lots of interesting tech. But you can buy shares of other companies at a much lower price to earnings that also have interesting tech.

Huh I vaguely knew of the term, but seems like boards have more flexibility over that than I imagined.

And yet, somehow, they’re still cranking out the best cars. Look at Juniper edition of MY. Quieter, longer range, brought the stalk back. The actual products are pretty dang good.

Those guys have the most memorable music videos but the least memorable songs. It’s a weird juxtaposition.

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In his defense, he didn't invent it himself, there are real scientists thinking about this and doing experiments trying to (dis)prove it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

People generally don't like billionaires, and musk was outspoken, brash, and arrogant. People don't know who other billionaires are, so they don't hate them as much. Bezos gets a lot of hate and he isn't as brash and outspoken as musk was even before getting political. Bezos hate today is like Musk hate 10 years ago. If Bezos starting becoming a right wing nut job, we'd see a similar backlash and I think that would cripple Zoox.

I don't agree , expected valuation based on everything combined and the fact that Tesla owns part of X and SpaceX we are WAY under valued i mean look at open ai .

So rivian stock should be at like negative 100

Assuming FSD works well enough that it is physically capable of getting a car from San Francisco to New York City, what is the plan if a state (or states) pass a law that says FSD is not allowed within their borders?

I don't think Tesla will be able to undercut Chinese manufacturers.

Yeah, I’m mostly seeing things through the USA market lens

Mmmhmmm I was expecting as much. Proves my point.

Can't disagree with you there!!

Yes, I was going to comment on that. You can buy LiFePO4 cells at below $35/kWh in China.

Do you think market forces are dictated by experts? Good one! See you sub $100/share.

It’s basically a meme stock at this point

Shareholders are worried about a bunch of people not buying their products.

Maybe 50% of the value, but yeah.

Haven''t looked at them so don't know what their PE is.

Can it be like a cat so we can form Voltron?

He must be insanely good if built a trillion dollar company without disagreements lol.

Idk man the Ford and GM have had many chairmans that only focuses on one company

Just over 100 I think. Oh, and that's with a 50% decline. It's madness built on memes and bullshit.

I think the ‘your data is what makes FSD possible’ is a really poor argument. But transferrable FSD is super intriguing to me. The problem is it creates weird incentives. It’s cheaper to buy an old, used car with FSD, transfer, then sell it without FSD. Because FSD only adds about $3k to the value of a used car. I think from a maximizing business value sense - occasionally, when it benefits Tesla the most, allowing transfers - makes sense. But it sure sucked to just buy FSD at full price on a new car when I wished I could transfer it from my old one.

lmao this is not normal, but ok 👌

It is normal. It is easy to see: [https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/ndaq/insider-activity](https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/ndaq/insider-activity)

Is that roadster still for sale that never came out 5 years ago??? Elon is a tech version of Donnie. Never touch anything associated with him.

This and the brand is cooked now. Anything that was Tesla is now Tessler.

Does Tesla own part of x and spacex?

I thought I read that somewhere

The public are sheep. Look at how fast they went from “saving the planet is absolutely critical and Tesla is the leader in that charge” to setting chargers and batteries on fire. The liberal hive mind will do whatever their media tells them to do.

FT has made a new article…. It was a nothing burger, which again was known if they read the 10-K https://www.ft.com/content/d2711678-af23-4b71-852b-1ef2e932e14b

Wow I've been un-subbed from here for years -- and so glad to see people allowed this take in here, again. And I agree with your take, if the brand can even recover. I was an old guy in here, when Fred Lambert was a mod, and I've had two Teslas. This place became mono-"opinion" moderated, so my hat is off to mods for allowing sane takes again, and American free speech and dissent!

Or perhaps we have the ability to have nuanced opinions?! Yes electric cars are good. Saving the environment is good. However there are other car companies selling electric cars. Elon musk is supporting dismantling the EPA the people who insure that businesses and governments in America are not causing excessive harm to the environment. I could go on to explain why Elon’s actions show he is not aligned with environmental protections. People are upset with him for this among other things &thus are choosing to attack the primary source of his wealth aka Tesla.  Independent thought requires being able to think about many factors and come to your own conclusions. You are simply regurgitating an idiotic republican line that I’ve already seen 1000x elsewhere.

I applaud that sentiment, but you are in the vast minority. Yes, some of us understand nuance and make individual decisions but you have to admit that MOST people do not. They just follow the herd.

Why is Elon Such a Fucking Muppet

Just checked it's 130% with 50% decline.