Trump says he will label violence against Tesla dealers domestic terrorism

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I really wish both sides of the political aisle would stop making a spectacle of our cars. I just want to enjoy my car. I really like my car. I don’t like politics.

That’s just going to make more people angry

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I have no issue with your choice of a car. It's a damn mode of transportation and they're cool cars. Carry on 😁

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ya, people can like, not use violence. that's a choice. I hope people knew that already.

Because it *is* domestic terrorism. A boycott to not buy Teslas is fine, but if you're vandalizing them, you're effectively terrorizing people into not buying Teslas, which *is* domestic terrorism. You can read more about terrorism [here](https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism) to better understand why this *is* domestic terrorism. As a reminder, we're an automotive subreddit, not a political one, so keep comments about Tesla the company and it's products, not the fact that President Trump and Elon held a Tesla marketing event outside the White House, which is a whole other hill of beans that I've no doubt that **several** other subreddits will cover, and offer a better venue to hold those discussions.

Feel like there is another neo group that might be better suited for that label.

Good. It literally is. Terrorism is defined as violence intended for political gain. That is exactly what these people breaking into Tesla stores and torching cars are doing. It is, by definition, domestic terrorism and should be treated as such

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💯 And yes destruction of property is violence against civilians.

Normal people don't get mad about labeling domestic terrorists as domestic terrorists...

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Dealerships were shot at too and there could have been people inside. So it’s directly against civilians too.

We can't win. Before this the cars were a political statement hated by the right. Now they're a political statement hated by the left (and probably still by the right).

Targeted violence against a business is no way to express your political ideology. Behave like a terrorist, go to jail. Simple.

Agreed. Destroying other peoples private property to make a political gesture is an act of terrorism. They are terrorizing people. It’s in the definition itself.

It is intimidation against civilians to destroy their private property.

That's the way to do it, and STRONG prosecution of all involved.

huh...does signing executive orders that fall outside the granted power of the office that cost civilians their jobs and then threatening those who question the legality of the order count?

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Maybe the violent ones destroying other peoples property and attack innocent civilians are the bad ones.

100% agree

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It’s crazy how people normalize deranged behavior because they believe it’s “justified”.

Violence with the intent to intimidate someone into changing their political views IS terrorism.

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Because that's what it is. Those ppl belong in jail.

I mean, vandalism is a looooooong way away from domestic terrorism.

Vandalism and arson for political reasons is indeed domestic terrorism.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

It's because it is one of the primary ways people can retaliate against someone they did not elect.

Why vandalize people’s properties, I don’t understand this. One of the lowest displays of IQ.

GOOD. This just pushes away moderate Democrat votes (like me).

I know this is far fetched for some people to consider but you gotta step back and think where we are. I mean here in MA we recently had someone set superchargers on fire leaving a significant gap in fast charging capability along a major corridor. Attacks against infrastructure used to be condemned harshly and now it is cheered on. And then the vandalism stuff. It’s a result of a broader campaign of intimidation and harassment against regular people for simply owning a car. You essentially have people saying to sell your Tesla or else they will damage what may be your only mode of transportation. And this is only less than 2 months in. It’s going to get worse. The attacks are going to escalate and the vandalism is going to escalate.

I agree

This. Bought a MY 3 months ago and love it. I hate politics. I hate ppl that make politics their whole identity.

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Exactly. My tesla is the safest I've felt in a car and I feel comfortable in it.

Hurting a Tesla dealership, or a charger, is the lowest form of IQ, but here we are.

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My first one literally saved my life.

This reminds me of justifications for the destructions in some of the BLM rallies. Not the same thing, but using politics/social issue as a cover up for blatant vandalism and crime.

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The **Department of Homeland Security (DHS)** defines **domestic terrorism** as: **“Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.”** This means that if someone commits acts of violence **within the U.S.** to promote a certain belief or cause—without foreign influence—it is considered **domestic terrorism**. **Key Points:** • **Acts of violence** (e.g., attacks, bombings, assassinations) • **Committed inside the U.S.** • **Driven by ideological goals** (political, religious, social, racial, etc.) • **Not directed or influenced by foreign groups** (if they were, it would be **international terrorism**). The **FBI** uses a similar definition and categorizes domestic terrorism into different types, like **racially motivated extremism, anti-government extremism, or environmental extremism**.

I hope you are wrong about it getting worse, but the example you provided about the Littleton supercharger attack, to me at least, feels very much like domestic terrorism

It’s so ironic now that our own ‘side’ is pushing us further and further away. Democrats have made a habit of alienating key support groups, and the election result is a clear demonstration of the impact that’s had. Sadly, it doesn’t seem like anyone learned their lesson.

exactly right

No matter their reason, their actions are outrageous. Protesting is one thing, but this is an organised group with malicious intent. I am Australian and find what is happening around the world disheartening. Tesla's are a dream car of mine. Not because it's elons companie but rather what they stand for and the product itself. I can only hope that the good in the world portrayals.

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This was not on my bingo card. Thankfully real life doesn’t give two shits about reddit. People still ask about my car and glee over it.

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I don’t think it’s the Democrat party who is setting cars and superchargers on fire. It’s isolated deranged individuals, no matter their political orientation.

*aisle*

There was one dude who was caught vandalizing with stickers in a Boston suburb, and when confronted, he said it was his “free speech.” Good luck with that argument.

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I mean, it basically fits the definition of terrorism. I don't see how it doesn't. > Terrorism is the use of violence to achieve a political goal by creating fear in a population. It can involve threats or actual violence against people or property.

bro, read the news, it's targeting "violence against Tesla **dealers**". If people sabotage your car, it's not terrorism.

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Why would you, as an Australian, want a tesla when the BYD Seal is available here?

Did they torch Tesla dealerships when they first came out and the left touted them as the future?

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I'm not sure if my insurance covers terrorist attacks

Perfect example of only worrying about the guy with a billion dollars and not the citizen that is having their car trashed. Not only to mention this man already has everyone’s money after buying his car…

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That's a far better target logic-wise than harming the individuals who purchase them, half of us purchase used to avoid increasing Tesla's profit.

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I have a 3 and a Y. They are the best cars I’ve ever owned, I love them and when I need to replace one I’ll probably get another Tesla. People need to get a grip, they’re letting politics ruin their life.

I respect this answer for your financial common sense.

Bro, read some other stories. People are vandalizing teslas simply because they’re teslas

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This is all it takes to push you to the right? Also there are hundreds of thousands of Teslas on the road, how many have been vandalized? If people cared about the image their car portrays nobody would drive a Miata. Grow up.

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Pretty amazing they got it back up and running within 48hours. The concern for me is the snowball effect. As more and more people start to vandalize infrastructure, retail showrooms and even vehicles it may take a very very long time to reverse those actions.

Right, I hope this never happens but if my car was vandalized I don’t think I would be petty enough to wish domestic terrorism charges on the perpetrator. I would put in my insurance claim and would hope whoever it was that did it gets a just punishment, not whatever comes with domestic terrorism.

Definitely not letting them bully me out of my car. It’s the coolest thing I’ve ever owned!

How many ppl are willing to risk a charge of domestic terrorism. If that doesn’t deter them then they are bat5hit insane

While I'm going to shamelessly point out I actually really dug teslas and have owned two so far as a conservative, I'll also point out that masses of conservatives weren't trying to burn down tesla dealerships and starting extremely dangerous electrical fires by burning down supercharging stations.

Because BYD is Chinese crap that doesn't have anywhere near the safety features a Tesla does?

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If you look back on history of most evil acts committed, the aggressor usually deemed it justified.

Good. Attacking something someone spent their hard earned money on is insane.

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Crazy to see how BLM was a scam. The people in charge of the group spent the money on mansions and cars.

Well. If they're afraid to target Tesla directly then they'll just resort to targets of opportunity.. i.e. more random Teslas. Personally I'd rather them hit Tesla than my car.

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Good. Don't harass innocent people.

Same. I bought mine because it was the fastest car I could buy.

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Pretty well said. This is absurd. I don’t even own a Tesla but I may just go buy one,,,,,just because. Great vehicles. Politics should not be having these effects. I’m sorry if any of you have had any issues. Darn shame.

Yes, if a political side vandalizes and destroys someone's property, that person is less likely to like that political side

Yep, main reason was the price. Owned for about 1.5 years now

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Safe, fast, spacious, capable of towing and cheap to run is literally all I cared about in making my decision.

This is the most sensible take I’ve seen

It is by definition terrorism

Don’t worry, The other side will vandalize your life and future.

Good. Same with "Just Stop Oil" blocking roadways trying to get their "message" across. You're not changing anybody's minds by threatening their safety or livelihood with literal violence and destruction.

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Any reasonable person is in the center and buys it because it’s a good car. Crazy extremists are gonna hate.

Complete turn of direction from the last administration literally pretending Tesla didn't exist. Then, having the audacity to label GM as the leader among EVs

I feel like no one gets this point. They talk about everything else except for the fact that you can pay less than $50k for a 4 second o-60 stock.

"I wish both sides of Germany would stop making a spectacle of our trains. I just want to enjoy my train. I really like my train. I don't like politics.”

There is a clear difference in how each side reacted. When it was disliked by the right, most of the hate was just childish behavior: coalrolling, ICEing chargers, maybe the occasional flip off, heck even reportedly keyed. However, it never escalated to violence, intimidation ( sell your car or else notes), mayor vandalism, and burning cars.

That’s not his point. His point is the enforcement of the terrorism charge will be based on violence against dealerships.

Politics rule people’s lives. You’re buying from a politician (technically) so yes, politics WILL be involved.

People will still vandalize your car.

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With no maintenance, oil, gas….

I’ve had mine for 6 years (2nd tesla) wasn’t a political statement when I bought it and isn’t one now. Just an excellent car that I’m happy with every day I drive it

Like the Boston Tea Party, right?

It’s funny because I feel like I got away with something. I mean, I feel it’s a great deal.

Just jumping in to say engine noise isn't the only thing that gives a car soul. Imo the things that make a car more comfortable tend to take away soul (electric power steering, air suspension, extra weight in insulation to remove nvh)

See you’re misreading his statement. He said Tesla *dealers.* The orange ape doesn’t give a shit about you, the consumer, still.

That's cool and all, and if I had more money, I might indulge. But I'm old, and I just want to get from A to B is the most comfortable way possible, haha.

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The only negative reactions I’ve heard is mostly about how he pardoned domestic terrorists that actually assaulted and threatened people. That said, cars have always been targets of vandalism if the have political statements on them. Are we going to make all of those instances domestic terrorism or is it just Tesla? I’m honestly for labeling any political violence, threat of violence or destruction of property that is politically motivated as domestic terrorism. People have gotten too comfortable with it.

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Both can be true

Teslas are the safest cars for families. Bought a model 3 after desiring it for many years. I get free charging. Virtually maintenance free. Now I am supposed to sell the car, run out and buy an Ice car? So for the bleeding heart activists, it was never about climate change yeah?

It really is potato brain behavior. They aren't hurting Tesla doing this, Tesla has insurance and already got paid for the cars people bought. They are just ruining normal peoples lives who wanted an electric car.

Notice he said Tesla DEALERS. Not Tesla owners.

I will still capture them in camera so they can be charged and compensate me accordingly.

Plus saying "sell your Tesla" is like Ben Shapiro telling people to sell their soon to be flooded house. Who's gonna buy them?

This is not a change in policy. Who spreads this crazy bullshit? People got decades long sentences for BLM firebombings. People have always got very long sentences for firebombing even longer when its used to intimidate the public.

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The crackheads were looking for copper or whatever to make a couple of bucks. These people are setting vehicles and superchargers on fire, using violence and destruction (i.e. terror) with the goal of influencing (terrorising) a certain group of people (i.e. Tesla owners) into selling their cars and potential buyers into not buying the cars specifically with the goal of hurting Tesla. This is textbook terrorism.

Me as well. But unfortunately, we live in a society where everything gets turned into some political spectacle. I also feel like the Americans thrive on the drama too. And that’s why the media gives it to us. It’s turned into like cheering for your favorite sports team and the thrill of hating the opponent.

I don’t think it happens as often as the media portrays it to happen. I have never once been approached by someone and been subjected to any hateful remarks. Most people mind their own business, and aren’t going to go out of the way to say something to a rando Tesla owner, But of course on Reddit, every Tesla is getting vandalized or set on fire.

Who are the 2 sides?

That reasoning is the reason why China is eating us more and more after each year. I can tell you that BYD is better than Tesla right now (I work in that field, with both companies).

I’m on the right but never hated Tesla. I just don’t want to be forced into buying electric if I don’t want to which is where we were headed. Maybe someday I will own an electric car but most likely my next will be a hybrid. I say you do you and be happy.

On the right here but NEVER condoned any of those actions. You’re right. It’s childish.

Go buy a VW Kampfwagen then /s

They are terrorists. Clear cut and dry.

Great point.

Hahaha ha. This is a joke right?

This is more than vandalism. It's intimidation to try and coerce people into changing their political viewpoints.

Tesla makes the best EV's, drive another EV from traditional automakers and the software is buggy and customer service is terrible. This isn't a Left/Right issue. The only ones who have an issue are those butt hurt miserable people who are confused about what is going on. Drive on and enjoy life.

I am center right and feel the same way you do. I don't want to be forced into anything. I bought a plug in hybrid and like it very much. However traditional automakers suck and their services suck, and their software is buggy as hell, but other than that I like the gas savings. My wife's next car will probably be a Tesla Model Y. We love the car and Tesla is so much better to deal with. My family are mostly on the Right and they give me $hit for getting a hybrid, parroting the Rights talking points about my battery needing replacement after 5 years, how it is worse for the environment, etc. I got lots of questions about it and they seemed mad that I liked it. They were even more mad when I said my next will be a full EV.

I forgot their push about climate change, thanks for reminding me 🤣

Notice the first directed their violence toward individuals, the second the corporation.

Good. That's literally what it is. They are vandalizing property to terrorize those they perceive as political opponents.

> The people in charge of the group BLM detractors love pretending they forgot that BLM never had formal leadership and that was kinda the whole point. Some group pretended to be BLM and scammed people. Nobody who supports BLM supports what they did. Using that as a condemnation against BLM as an idea is intentionally misleading rhetoric.

People have to make something out of nothing, it’s literally just a car.

What’s even more ironic… Tesla is getting money from the damage more than likely. Fucking ironic and dumb.

Okay, I'll bite. How are they better? Just the facts.

Then a lot of Americans are just unreasonable in your eyes. Tesla is probably the most hated brand in America right now.

I mean Tesla owners still gotta deal with micro weiner dodge ram owners still

Hated by…. crazy extremists.

“They may take my liberty but never my model Y” -Thomas Jefferson

> I just don’t want to be forced into buying electric if I don’t want to which is where we were headed It wasn't. Meanwhile, you are currently forcing pollution on me, which actually does harm my health, and makes it harder for "me to do me and be happy." Should you be allowed to force that violence on me, is that okay with you? How is that consistent with your other beliefs about force? I'm tired of people living in a fantasy world.

Actually he said *any American business*.

I see nothing wrong with buying what works for you. I’m thinking of buying a civic touring hybrid for my next work car since it gets great mileage. My Accord has been great the last 5 years. Very reliable so the civic hybrid seems like a good choice to replace it.

As he should

There is a reason the commodity companies have stayed out of politics till now.

Agreed, get what works for you, not what politicians or unstable partisans say you should buy.

All the people talking about buying a hybrid or just spending extra money and getting more maintenance down the road.

I didn't think Teslas were ever hated by the right - maybe a small portion of them - but even 5 years ago most of the ppl I knew who drove Teslas were on the right. They're certainly hated by many on the left now, though.

I mean, I bought one in December. Something I really appreciate is it having blinkers. Also the acceleration feels way better than a tesla. It also looks better.

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This is why I agree with the notion that one can be charged with domestic terrorism for targeting cars of innocent drivers.

I appreciate you actually providing some real information/data to justify your claims. I won't pretend I understand everything you said. For example: >At -30°C: BYD still retains 51.6% capacity, while Tesla’s NMC drops to 0% capacity—meaning complete failure. What does that mean? Because I have driven my Teslas in -40* C/F before and the car has worked fine, albeit with less range. Is there some sort of additional context I'm missing or am I just interpreting what you said wrong?

Right, at this point idc what’s changes occur. This is our reality now. I love my car, let me live.

Yeah, I didn't mean to convey that they were equivalent. I'm just as appalled by the left's reaction as you all are. Even more so given so many EV buyers were making a financial or lifestyle sacrifice to support an overwhelmingly liberal cause.

It sucks tbh, but if we can afford Teslas, we can afford other cars too… so there’s light for us.. I guess 😆

That's what it is... a crime... arson is a crime burning Teslas is arson

And yet the J6ers are pardoned….

their plan is exactly to turn us against each other

My hybrid has a range of 515 miles and refilling the tank is $25-30.

BLM as a general movement didn't have any formal leadership, but the BLM "nonprofit" did and does [That's what he was referencing.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter_Global_Network_Foundation) Here's an article on it if you're unaware: [https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/blm-finances-under-fire-only-33-of-donations-given-to-charities-as-execs-paid-millions-black-lives-matter-racism-bankruptcy-deficit-fundraising-fundraisers-george-floyd-breonna-taylor-patrisse-cullors-tamir-rice-fraud-scam](https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/blm-finances-under-fire-only-33-of-donations-given-to-charities-as-execs-paid-millions-black-lives-matter-racism-bankruptcy-deficit-fundraising-fundraisers-george-floyd-breonna-taylor-patrisse-cullors-tamir-rice-fraud-scam)

We tried that in the 60s.  MLK got shot for it.  So finally people learned their lesson peace and love does not work against facism fight with fire.  Violence it was ended WWII and violence is probably needed to prevent WWII. Having a sociopath in power is not a win for anyone.

Paid protesters should be a crime on itself never mind the destructive acts

I think you’re underestimating how pissed off people are. Another overnight shooting at the Tesla dealership here in Tigard, OR.

The car isn't the issue unfortunately.

What is far fetched about putting criminals in jail

Doing it to cause fear and to push political change is terrorism.

Yeah sure, and a crack head goes to a peaceful rally with a AR15 and kills 2 guys isn’t terrorism, right? People in the right are blind as hell, and go to any hypocritical length to justify moronic behavior.

Terrorism is violence for political reasons. That’s the difference it’s the motive.

I bought my tesla cause of all the bonuses (5k state return, 7.5k fed return) plus price was dropped an additional 4.5k because the car had been sitting on the lot too long. Literally could not care less what brand of car i got, but it'd be insane for me to pass up over $15k in discounts. Unfortunate side affect is all the politics might end up with it getting vandalized

Better yet: all Teslers are $20k cheaper than they were in january! That's how you fight inflation!

Yes every crime is terrorism.

To me, Teslas are still the best value on the road. By far. You can only tell me which car I buy if you pay for it.

So like Jan 6th?

As with both cases, for some people, yes.

Yet they were all pardoned.

Not all.

If we were to stand up against McDonald’s and all other fast food chains, for contributing to our unhealthy lifestyles, by burning down their signs and punching holes through their menus…would that label us as domestic terrorists? Just curious. Especially since these chains need to be cleared by someone in order to keep business booming. So in a way, it is political. But, as for Individuals in their cars-like actually inside the vehicle. Causing harm and destruction on said vehicle, could possibly be suffered upon the person inside it as well. But, an empty car on the side of the road getting vandalized for anything at all; isn’t a new thing in America, and I have never seen anyone call it domestic terrorism. But I could def be wrong.

That’s the way to go.

Basically, a witch hunt. Label anything a witch and anything violent done to the "witch" is okay.

The question is whether all arson is terrorism

I agree, even when I don't own a Tesla. But some humans sure do like a simple Target. I think very smart people have figured this out over time, which is why they own stuff in silence.

Label school shootings that way too.