Polestar's 'Trade In Your Tesla' $20,000 Deal Is Already A Hit

#[r/cybertruck](https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/) is now private. If you are unable to find it, here is a link to it. As we are not a support sub, please make sure to use the proper resources if you have questions: [Official Tesla Support](https://www.tesla.com/support), [r/TeslaSupport](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaSupport/) | [r/TeslaLounge](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/) personal content | [Discord Live Chat](https://discord.gg/tesla) for anything. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.*

So trade a car I own for a lease?

You’re a consumer, you gotta keep the cash flowing out.

You actually don't need to trade it in.  They give you a $5,000 discount on top of their existing $15,000 discounts for non Tesla's for providing you own one.

For a brand that sells ~600 cars each month in the U.S. with very overpriced cars, I guess it doesn't even matter much

[removed]

“A hit” What does that mean, they actual sold a car this month?

Don’t see how. Their customer service is terrible. I contacted them to inquire about this deal. I wasn’t really interested, I don’t want a Polestar, I just wanted to see what the price would be. All I got was a message from who I guess is a salesman telling me to come out and take a test drive. Wouldn’t answer any questions.

This sounds like an exaggeration I looked it up and they sell 3600 a month which is so very low.

Good car bad car has the data, for the last 3 months of 2024, US sales is 600 each month. Their global sales in 2024Q4 is ~12k (they announced), which is 4k each month, so US cannot be 3600 per month. (Data in Polestar Monthly Sales Data in the U.S section, which sometimes does not load) https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/polestar-us-sales-figures/

Polestar? Never heard of her

I’m embarrassed to drive my model Y but can’t afford to sell it.

Those cars are actually pretty cool. Really nice to sit in.

It was way too overpriced to begin with.

I like Polestar, but it can't possibly be a "hit" given how massive Tesla is in comparison. Barely even a mosquito bite on a body.

These are 78 to 85K MSRP. So that 20K takes it into the realms of a performance long range model 3 or new Y, or more expensive than a long range one.

[removed]

Why?

Embarrassed how?

If Tesla gives discounts, it’s out of desperation. If the competition gives discounts it’s out of their goodness of their hearts.

No deal. Love my Car + FSD

[deleted]

Seeing the price and what the car is like in person, that’ll be a no from me dawg. Nice cars though

Probably because resale values have absolutely *tanked.* It's not easy to just "get another car."

No… why “embarrassed” 🤷🏻‍♂️

They make nice cars. Fit and finish is great. Interior materials feel much nicer than any Tesla’s.  But I can’t be convinced to leave Tesla. As much as I have qualms with quality and customer service, Tesla just has the best technology and EV experience. Period.

Why do so many here treat Tesla as part of their identity? It's a car company ya'll. You don't have to defend them or make excuses for them.

You know why. You may disagree but no need to ask when you know the answer lol.

I just wish people would rethink their decisions and not follow what some online bubble tells them to think (or do). I would like to see the numbers of people switching from Tesla. I ask why someone feels embarrassed because… it’s just a car. And a good one at it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly!

Polestar = Chinese. And no, it is not a Volvo.

I don’t put political bumper stickers on my cars, and I don’t like my car becoming a political bumper sticker itself.

I lost so much value on my Tesla when they decided to rollercoaster the pricing that I don't know when I'd seriously consider selling it or trading it in. I'll likely keep it until I don't have a choice.

I drove a beat rental polestar 2 and I came away way impressed, having teslas since the launch 3 really made me forget how an actual luxury car should be built . Now they come with NACS charging this year too. Pretty sure our next car will be a polestar.

I think it’s less about that and more about most Teslas being the best vehicle in its class, with the best price, performance, software, charging infrastructure, etc. Basically the deal would need to be phenomenal for me to leave. I’m honestly not sure I’d take a EV from anyone else over a Tesla unless it were free or damn close to it. I’m sure that will change over time but Tesla has a massive 10+ year head start over the competition.

so desperate!

Polestars are uncomfortable and incredibly cramped in the passenger and back seat.

68k single motor is pretty expensive. Maybe they are really nice but hard to justify spending that much

Ugly AF + they admit that they have an extra 20,000 euros in margin for such nonsense.

Yeah, I just looked at their leases for performance versions. Almost $1,000/mo with only 10k miles/yr and after $5,000 down. My 2024 M3P is financed at 2.99% at $780/mo.

This is so true. Tesla software is miles above anything else.

i like the car but it doesn't include FSD, tesla for me

The Polestars are nicely built. Software let's it down, but it's got to have a financial benefit for me to consider in the future.

Anything anti Tesla is “a hit” now. Reddit has become way to political

Strange that you think someone is being told what to think. Maybe they value morals.

That’s the website pricing. They are leasing way way cheaper than this right now.

*Gestures at everything*

Seriously, what does a car have to do with morals if you don’t drive it recklessly or commit a crime while driving it?

No it's a fact. Go buy another ev brand and get back to me

Isn’t Polestar Chinese company?

Polestar is nice, but dont think they will be in business in 5 years.

Get a grip. lol

Software is garbage. And in 2025, if it doesn’t have good software, it’s not for me sadly.

[deleted]

The people trashing Tesla won’t realize that Polestar is owned by the communist Chinese.

Personally, I can’t sit in software 🤷🏽‍♂️

Agreed, I saw people on the r/denver subreddit encouraging on vandalizing teslas. If the right encouraged that they’d be furious.

Volvo makes the best seats in the business.

I rented Polestar 2 for a week before, really enjoyed the ride. I've seen Polestar 3 in my community too and they are really nice. Tesla could really learn a few things from them.

[deleted]

That is so wild. When was the last time you seriously looked into competitors? Tesla’s advantage do exist in a few areas (especially charging infra), but you make it sound like the advantage is overwhelming and you wouldn’t take something like a Lucid or Rivian or Ioniq 5 unless they are *free*?? I have a BMW i4 M50 and it blows my old Model 3 out of the water in real world highway range, cabin tech, cabin noise insulation, auto pilot (truly hands free below certain speed, no need to touch steering wheel), *and* it comes with comparable lease cost. Similarly, my best friend’s iX is leased for the price of a Model Y and beats the Model X in almost every category too. The best of the competitors are *really* good these days. Tesla had a 5 year head start for sure but things have evolved rapidly. It’s not 2018 anymore. And don’t get me started with EVs from across the pacific lol.

They wont be around for long with those numbers

Software is meh, totally agree. But the ride, oh boy, it’s so smooth compared to my model s. Like luxury smooth. I don’t care about software, but for me the deal breaker was the minimalistic interior.

Not to mention no self-driving capability

And it’s horrible to drive

[deleted]

It’s huge. Doses of people are switching. Literally DOZENS of them.

You walking into Target these days is now becoming a political statement. People need to think for themselves and what they like. Not what a minuet percentage of the population on reddit says they should think.

Chinese garbage

I guess that’s preference, I enjoy the Tesla interiors. They also have some of the most comfortable seats you can get (as long as you’re not severely overweight)

how is tesla russian tho?

Would this make them below the luxury car tax?

My prior Lexus LS’s would have a word to say about that

Well thats cheap but the technology still is far beyond China is doing. I wouldn't buy it. It has this micropenis loser energy look. But most Tesla models have that

I think the only other company that competes with Tesla in the software department is Rivian, but even they still have someways to go. I really wish legacy manufactures would put more resources into their UX/UI and software engineering department. Unfortunately, they rely so much on 3rd party, off the shelf components that they can’t homogenize their software and hardware. Tesla builds and designs most of their major parts in-house and proprietary hardware relying less on 3rd party components. Rivian is following the same playbook and building everything in-house like their electric motors which used to be Bosch.

This is why we mod wheels and suspension and build better. You can't mod software...

Polestars are great cars and this looks like a great deal too

Agree. But most people dont care about software tho. Most will pick quality of physical finish over quality of software

I’ve never driven one , couldn’t agree or disagree. Tesla is ima soulless drive though so how much worse can it be,

Rivian is still not very polished overall, and they still don't have the ability to read/send text messages.

If you all want to sell your Teslas there’s plenty of people who aren’t as influenced by the American media nonsense that would love to buy them up. I love my car and have no plans to sell it. This, like all things, will pass.

I would have considered this if I didn't own FSD. Bought it for $2k in 2019 so I didn't care about losing it. But v13 is very impressive so keeping my 3 for a bit more.

To be fair. I haven’t recently. But Tesla has me spoiled. If the competition has a key that isn’t my phone, is slower than 3.5 seconds to 60, requires any maintenance, and doesn’t reliably get software updates over the air that make meaningful improvements on a regular basis, I’m out. All for 40-50k.

Worse depreciation and barely any service centers last I checked. Polestar design and aesthetic is way better but that’s about where the advantages stop, IMO.

How do they verify? If the lease numbers make sense, I would consider as a commuter.

I looked at Polestar but the visibility from the driver's seat is awful. The latest ones don't even have a rear window which is madness. I'm 6 years into my Model 3 and it hasn't put a foot wrong and the interior materials still look brand new. Can't say that for my wife's newer Nissan LEAF which is already starting to show its age.

I don't need self driving, nor am I willing to pay for it.

I get what you’re saying and you are correct in this context, it’s just weird and sort of dystopian to read “you can’t mod software”. The “soft” part of software is about how easily “mod-able” it is compared to hardware.

lol, wait; seriously!? At that price point get a Porsche Macan EV

That initial impression is certainly important, but long term software is a much bigger issue. VW owners know all about that.

[deleted]

I just bought a 2021 Lexus RX 350 for my SO, because they didn't want another Tesla (I have a 2019 M3LR). I am flabbergasted by how much better the older M3 is in terms of software and general technical features. It has remote key, but Tesla does it better. It has cameras, but Tesla does it better. it has memory seats, adaptive cruise, lane keep. Tesla does all of these things better, and more. The physical finish of the Lexus is assuredly better, but that's it. I should have just bought them a MY.

Thanks, I have a 2019 Raven X that has free supercharging so I have no plans on getting rid of it but it would be nice to have something newer/nicer as a daily commuter to work.

It’s amazing

I don't lease cars. If I did though I would probably entertain the deal

Yeah I should say shouldn't, can't is too finite. I mean people have modded Tesla software, [this is a great example](https://teslogic.co/pages/screenmate). It's just more difficult on a car with less than a tenth of the production and without affecting safety.

I always loved Volvo - but would never consider leaving Tesla. When I told my Mercedes guy I put a reservation on this "New Model 3 thing" - he looked me dead in the eye - gave me the double handshake and thanked me for years of business. I told him "I'll return once you get an electric car". He looked me dead in the eye and said "Nobody has ever returned from Tesla - Nobody". And I believe him.

I’m now hooked on my S Plaid and there isn’t anything out there that can touch it.

You just named a bunch of stuff that is super common place in the market now lmao. And it shows you don’t know what competitors have to offer. If you drive a BMW iX for a week you would never buy a Model X. A Macan EV has augmented reality head up displays that highlights cars and lanes on your *windshield*. Can you get that from OTA? The fact that the most expensive Tesla still doesn’t have surround cameras is insane. Everything you just named *was* special in 2018. It’s 2025 now. > all for $40-50k You literally just said you would only consider competitor if they are *free*.

Pay MYLR off plus the $20k, plus the $7500 and I might.

To get one that has some where near the performance and features of my MYP it’s nearly 100k. Hard pass. I’m sure they’re nice.

I rented a Polestar 2 once, and I just can't buy one after that. It drove great, no complaints there, but the infotainment crashed and froze, and I could not do anything in the car at all, including starting and driving it. I had to pull up YouTube on my phone to figure out how to force reset it, so I could drive the damn car. I refuse to drive a car where the radio can get confused, freeze up, and completely prevent you from operating anything in the vehicle until you force a reset.

The Polestar product is easily at the quality level of a Macan

Right, like a Tesla

For that price I’m just gonna buy a lucid air …..

[deleted]

Seriously doubt it drives as good as a Porsche. . . And in all honesty if I had to chose between a German owned, designed, and built product and a Chinese owned one. . . I’m goring German

Have fun

welcome to reddit where people seek approval and acceptance while anonymous from others who also are anonymous. Tesla is more than one person and frankly I like my TM3 and it is paid off.

Possibly, but the Chinese government can prop it up indefinitely if they choose to

Yea super nice when it keeps changing lanes for no reason every mile.

Doesn't it just run Android automotive? That sounds pretty good. Like Google Maps is the nav service and you can download all the apps you have on your phone on your car too.

Yeah, they feel really tight on the road in a good way. The cup holders are kind of an afterthought...

I drove a 2024 Polestar 2 with Performance Pack for a couple months and it had a manual rotating knob for adjusting the cloth seats. Laggy software and no heat pump. It was a great car and I had fun driving it. But I just struggle to see the value at such a high price point. I don’t have experience with Porsche though.

And you lose AP.

Android Automotive has a separate app ecosystem. It’s nice in theory but it’s still pretty laggy from when I used it in a Polestar 2. And on two separate Polestars I encountered a bug where setting the charge limit got stuck for seemingly no reason. Literally couldn’t charge past 60% the first time it happened. I was on a road trip and restarted the car, let it turn off and on again, force reset it, everything I could think of. I was so pissed because it was stuck like that for days. One day it just randomly fixed itself so who knows.

We can’t lease Teslas in Wisconsin. I’m betting Polestar is the same since it’s direct to consumer.

Software is probably the best in the industry besides Tesla.. /P2-owner

Since at least 13.2 you no longer have to touch the wheel at all for FSD, Tesla’s biggest advantage, and they’re light years ahead of everyone else.

Thats not even political, thats just irrational vandalism

[removed]

Lol there will always be glass-half-empty people. When we figure out how to never be sick again you’ll probably say “yeah it’s great having to take a pill and not have anymore paid sick time!”

[deleted]

[removed]

[deleted]

Nope. Tesla still.

Had one as a long term rental and the charge limit got stuck at 60% on a road trip. Tried everything to reset it and nothing worked. It was stuck like that for days. Can’t tell you how infuriating it was to try and navigate the limited CCS charging network with my range cut in half.

> at all for FSD I said AP, not FSD. > they’re years ahead Jesus people still believe that? Tesla FSD was finally reviewed in China and the overwhelming consensus was “it’s not as good as Chinese OEMs”. And there are robotaxi fleets all over the world, meanwhile Tesla has 0 autonomous driving miles on public road as of March, 2025

Software is what holds me back from them. Rivian is probably the closest one to Tesla but even Rivian is behind.

Only leases though right?

Unfortunately, I just recently bought my Tesla back in October. So that $20k is only about half of my financing

Meh. Been a FSD Beta user since October 2021. If I could go back to 2018 when I bought my car I definitely would've skipped on it. It's cool, just not worth the cost.

I am not even touching with a long pole even if they offer free exchange. Teslas are best in EV world.

You can adjust how aggressive it is.

This. I owned a 2 and the software paled in comparison to Tesla.

Owned by Geely - but essentially they’re a subdivision of Volvo. They threw a lot of money at Volvo to invest in R&D and didn’t meddle with them at all - what’s come out the other side are some very pretty very well engineered cars. Some of the cars are manufactured in china but that’s true for almost all brands that sell an EV. It’s not like MG, where they slapped a legacy brand logo on… a less than desirable (and quite badly engineered) appliance.

My BMW i4 that can be leased for comparable price as a Model 3 performance haha. Phone app, phone key, OTA updates, better auto pilot system, better cabin tech, much better cabin insulation, comparable range, 3.1s 0-60, no maintenance required. And it’s got a hatchback access! Not saying the car is perfect, I’m just saying all those things he listed aren’t special anymore.

Well it's Chinese owned but It's not BYD. The company is headquartered in Sweden, is a performance spinoff of Volvo and Polestar 3 is manufactured in South Carolina.

Teslas are nice but I personally prefer Rivian now. Check my post history. I was an owner/investor since 2015. I got rid of my second Tesla (Plaid Model S) last year and now own a Rivian I respect the opinion that it’s your fave, but I wouldn’t say “miles above anything else”

I’ve owned Teslas since 2015 and got rid of my Plaid Model S last year and now drive a Rivian Definitely recommend giving them a look.

Check out Rivian. I love mine

Sat in polestar two before. Too cramped

BMW i4 has regular OTA updates? Better autopilot? 3.1 0-60 for 40-50k??

Apparently their software is trash https://blog.elegast.me/polestars-latest-update-video-a-masterclass-in-ignoring-customer-feedback/

It isn’t Reddit, they are quoting the title of the article.

Definitely not BYD, but if I’m choosing between a German company with a history of performance cars that have also embraced electrification with a literal winning track record vs a Chinese owned spinoff of a Swedish company known for safety not performance I’m going with Porsche. . . If the polestar was more competitively priced I may consider giving it a look but at those price points. . . It’s a non-starter, if they were smart they would offer the discounts on the purchase and not just lease if the Polestar 3

I was heavily leaning towards the i4 last year but went with the refreshed Model 3 due to life circumstances. What are the capabilities of autopilot? Is it restricted to highways? FSD has vastly improved where you don’t actually need to keep your hands on the steering wheel anymore and I don’t have disengage too often now out of necessity. The software is also a highlight too since everything is very seamless and the OTA updates are really nice. I haven’t had the chance to check Rivian out personally but I hope they succeed in the long run. I’m definitely wanting to switch from Tesla when I get my next car though, which will likely be a BMW.

If you lease it, all comparable price! My $75k i4 leases for the same price as a $50k Tesla :)

Ahh makes sense

What is that per month?

If they offered this in Canada, I would do it!

I’m sure all the cars you are listing are wonderful in their own right. I don’t doubt for a second that the i4, ix & macan ev are great vehicles. I’ve always been a tech enthusiast and a car guy, so I’ve had more than a handful of new vehicles in the last couple decades. I’ve never been happier with the tech in a new car more than I have in the Teslas I have owned. It’s also the only car I have had that’s added features after buying (without added cost or effort). They’re far from perfect, and I look forward to better a cabin in my next one. The German cars have far exceeded in fit and finish from the American ones for as long as I have been around. Though I gotta ask, why would I need augmented reality on my windshield to show me what I can already see? But it sounds neat. I also just priced a macan ev to roughly match my Y and it was 84k and the version that’s 5.4 to 60 and rear wheel drive. I’m not buying a Porsche that’s slower to 60 than an Accord, I don’t care how cool it looks. To get in the 3’s, I’m north of 100k.

Love to hear it, where can I buy one? I don’t care about autonomous fleets or robotaxies or even what china has to say, I just want my car to drive me around town. Tesla does.

IMO, both the interior and the software are garbage. They aren’t gonna survive much longer. The entire car, especially the interior, gives me an ICE car feeling like they install a battery and a motor on an ICE car. I’d rather get an ID 4 or ioniq than this thing. It’s bad and that’s why their showrooms have few customers while Tesla’s are packed.

Uh, yeah… no thanks. Volvo promised full EV variants for years and then reneged on their offers before shuffling their work off to Polestar as a test bed. I am not interested in a second rate undersized overpriced version that underperforms the cheapest Tesla.

I’ve used it up and down the east coast for road trips. It’s worth the cost at $99 per month.

But it doesn’t? Like how is it driving if it can’t even take responsibility if it gets into an accident? You are driving the car.

My auto wipers on my 2018 Model S and my 2021 Model Y still don’t work right. Pass. It’s all hype, it’s definitely not worth what Tesla is charging imho.

From my last reply til now it just drove me home from work and into my driveway with zero interaction from me aside from hitting home on the gps, holding down the FSD option and tapping the brake to get it started. It sure didn’t feel like I was driving the car. I’d love for other car manufacturers to have something that competes, but they don’t.

Exactly. EV brands like Rivian and Polestar look fantastic, but I’m not paying $80k for a car. Teslas are overpriced for some models, but Polestar is crazy

Same💯 Probably never buying another brand of car again

> it sure doesn’t feel like Your feeling has absolutely zero relevance when an accident occurs. Your name is on the car’s insurance, not Tesla. And despite what you say, you wouldn’t feel comfortable starting FSD and then climb into the backseat and take a nap would you? Would you do that with your family in the car? At the end do the day if you are happy paying thousands of dollars beta testing something for a car company, good for you. And yes, no other companies charge people thousands of dollars to beta test safety critical systems while taking on zero liability. In that sense, yes, Tesla is very unique.

2024 Polestar 2s have heat pumps, only the 2021 didn't get one afaik

*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev/home)* cause unite chop intelligent axiomatic merciful towering oil ad hoc engine

No thanks

Lol, everything you listed except for the 0-60 time, you can get in a Polestar 2. The performance trimline of the P2 does 0-60 in 3.7 I think. But be real, how often do you actually use that kind of acceleration in everyday driving?

Same!

Brother I wouldn’t take a polestar for free. This subreddit’s neuroticism has zero impact on how much I love my MYLR

Pretty slow though.

Hahaha. You’re right. Going from a plaid to the “fastest” Rivian was the least fun part

Let's say what it is. “It's software is crap!”

I’d add one more thing. I’m never talking to a car salesman again. If I don’t have to go to a dealership at all I’d consider it, otherwise I’m out. The exact reason I backed out of a Ford Lightning. Once the sleazy text messages started from the dealership I cancelled it. I agreed to buy the car. You call me when the car is ready. I’ll come pick up the car at the agreed upon price.

Every day.

Polestar is using Google, it's the next best thing after Tesla when it comes to modern car operation systems. Sometimes even better, because you can have more native apps instead of Teslas very polished but also very small app gallery.

Sadly a macan doesn’t drive like a Porsche either

[deleted]

The thing I noticed it their suspension feels like a Lexus or Audi. Extremely nice ride. And so much quieter / less rattle.

> Average Tesla driver A significant portion of EV drivers lease. It makes a lot more sense. If you buy a Tesla, in 3 years the depreciation would hit you harder than leasing a more expensive BMW. > much better cabin tech Yeah. Something like this: https://imgur.com/a/cVCwZFM and 3D camera views. And attention-monitoring hands free driving. Just to name a few > cabin insulation is equal It’s not, not even close. The Model 3 highland merely upgraded it from poor to average. Test drive an i4 or iX sometimes. > far more expensive I was replying to the other guy who said he wouldn’t switch even if other cars are free. All I’m telling him is that if price isn’t a issue, there are better cars out there.

What do you like most about your Rivian?

Yeah man, no way I could/would do that. Worse software and slower are the first two things I wouldn’t want to give up.

Just what we all need, the google play store in our car. So we can have people installing malware in their car.

Of course it is lol. And really, that's all electric cars have to differentiate themselves really. Electric motors and battery are super super simple

I said I *would* take it if it were free (or nearly free). But no one is handing me a 120k macan ev turbo in purple. If they did, I’d take it, but I’m not holding my breath.

Buddy, you don't get it. Nobody has anything even remotely close to FSD in the US. None of the others can even stop for a stop sign. Why would I buy another car when their systems are far worse? I want to buy the best one, and Tesla is by far the best one. That's why we buy it. Pretty simple.

I think the recent fsd versions are really good. I,ve had it since you needed to qualify with a 99 safety score and it was garbage at the beginning but fun to see progress.

I was very excited to rent an i4 M50, as it seems like the most promising upgrade path from a P3D, but unfortunately I was very happy to get back into my P3D after. Some differences were personal preference, but overall it was a *lot* of little things that added up to make it a worse experience. * No play/pause controls on the steering wheel * Hands free only worked below (IIRC) 50 MPH, meaning you have to be ready to take over for such an arbitrary reason as *slightly too much speed.* Meanwhile Tesla just works the same at any speed limit in the country, and does so on any marked road * Vestigial things present like the Start button or Drive Mode Selector. Yes, Tesla technically offers two modes (and some customization settings), but it’s set and forget, not a physical control with four different options to switch between. ICE heritage is showing through. * Worse, Drive Mode and Regen and Hold Mode were all forgotten between drives. So my routine became 1. Turn on car 2. Switch to performance mode 3. Enable Auto Hold 4. Shift to max regen. Just… why?! It’s not like my preferences have changed at all between me turning off the car and turning it on again. * Didn’t care for the gauge cluster; too bright at night and was half hidden by the wheel and my hands anyways. Would rather have a vent there, to get air at my face rather than my hands where it went instead * Charge port is on the wrong side, making garage charging more challenging than it needed to be. Oh, and the included portable charger was enormous, with an unnecessarily thick cable to boot. * AC does not stay on indefinitely. Only 30 mins max. Why?! Yes, you can start it again from the app… every 30 minutes… but shouldn’t have to! * For all the denigration I hear towards Tesla and praise I hear towards BMW for this, fit and finish were surprisingly lacking, most notably in the form of squeaks and rattles. A concerning amount of them coming from every which direction. * I did not enjoy the public charging experience. Took a *lot* of trial and error to get it to start, to the point I was a few minutes late returning it. It had lots of power— honestly the gut punch felt stronger than my P3D, which I like— and the suspension and road noise were improved. Everything else about the daily usability seemed like a massive downgrade.

Shit, if rivian did this I'd probably jump. I unfortunately got stuck with the $70k price tag though so I'm already underwater

> The fact that the most expensive Tesla still doesn’t have surround cameras is insane. I actually prefer the simple side repeater view offered by any Tesla than the Birds Eye view offered by everyone else. It looks neat in a showroom, but is more frustrating to use in the real world. All I want to know is if I’m going to curb my wheel or hit my garage wall backing in, and the repeater cam easily shows me that.

We had a model X which was a lemon due to the falcon wing doors. After Tesla bought it back we got a Rivian R1S. Far better car in my opinion, and cheaper price point.

Are they going to give me $20k for my 15k mile m3p with FSD that I paid cash for in 21? Well holy shit! Can’t wait to eat $40k so they can profit and have me give up FSD!

[deleted]

too pricey for less range and funky software

I’m sorry to be that guy, but volvo, in collab with polestar (not chinese founded, only financed) did have reasonable racing success. If you get the chance you should definitely try driving one, or a volvo, you’d be very pleasantly surprised by how competently they drive.

No

German cars aren’t what they used to be though, except for Porsche, so your point still stands in this case.

Even at their lower quality finish, they are practically giving away Teslas. Nobody can compete because I think Tesla sells these cars at a loss (or they are using some kind of financial trickery to keep out research cost or something). They are probably still operating at achieving brand loyalty (get as many Tesla’s out in people’s garages so they get used to owning a Tesla) since company is still gaining value through speculation. My M3P highland is ridiculously good value for what you get, it’s runs circles around cars 1,5 times its price (And not just in a straight line, like some people claim), is filled to the brim with tech as standard, is just as reliable and it only has slightly less luxury of which is mostly due to the fact they are going for a minimalist approach, which you could even just prefer over the overly intricately busy interiors of say a Mercedes or BMW. I’m not even an EV fan perse, I own a gen 2 Toyota GR Yaris, which cost me nearly as much, and I own it because in a way it’s the exact opposite of the M3P. And they are both great cars in their own way, but the Tesla is the only one with great value. (I’m not taking into account depreciation, because imo it’s a false metric to judge the value of a new car, also don’t buy cars to sell them later so yeah)

They don’t have a rear window?

Can you be specific? Dog mode is missing & that makes the software = bad? 2025 Polestar 4 Infotainment Review: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ae77r-JWFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ae77r-JWFQ)

This is why I’m struggling to even consider anything else. I’m surprised how far behind everyone else still is.

I use FSD every single time I drive. Until someone else offers an equivalent, I don’t think I can consider anything else.

The company isn’t doing anything wrong (relative to other car companies). If they do, I’ll drop them immediately. But it’s a pretty unusual situation to have a company that’s overall doing good things for the world despite a leader who’s a piece of shit.

Hey, I just found your comment randomly browsing reddit, but looking at this short discussion in the comments - you are clearly in a defensive stance and the way you construct your comments kind of reveals that you are completely aware of the problems and you are trying to convince yourself that its all made up. I dont own a tesla and I dont plan to, I dont have an opinion on the company and I didnt mean to offend you, just a quick insight, because you have asked quite a few questions.

Seems like a perfect way to get a polestar, then sell to Carvana to get the best trade in price out there.

Ok

You mean traffic aware cruise control? Every car in this category has the equivalent of AP

Different strokes

Nothing intuitive. Tesla is iPhone experience, everything seamless. Walk to the car, car opens (no interactions) Sit in the car it knows the profile, songs start playing, ac adjusts, seats adjust Hit the brake, car goes in drive or reverse, if you go to certain destination at this time it already shows up in gps. If driving to supercharger, battery pre conditions up automatically. Plug the charger and it starts charging.

I bought a Rivian R1S after years and generations of Model S, let me tell you the Rivian is worth every penny over junks Tesla built.

Polestars are ugly, though.

That's some very valuable information you've collected for us. Thanks! I hear people touting the competition but it's as if we're not allowed to do the same for Tesla lol

Tesla just does a better job at manufacturing to get low costs, and they’ve done it longer than anyone else. That’s why they’re so cheap and still make a decent profit.

[deleted]

I used to try and make that same argument. Eventually I had to admit that no manufacturer comes even close. There’s is a difference between AP and DCC.

Blue cruise is solid, but I use FSD virtually every minute I’m in the car except in parking lots. It would be very hard to give that up and it’s frustrating that there are zero alternatives. It’s hard to describe how amazing it is to almost stop driving. I used to love actively driving, and yet it is infinitely more relaxing to monitor the software rather than driving myself. It takes awhile to get used to but now I hope to never go back.

[deleted]

Yeah like I am trading in an American made car with a Chinese-backed brand. That is very American I know. Idiots.

Do you own a plaid Model S?

What. My P2 LR with plus and pilot leased last year is $525/mo with less down.

Thank God, anything but an awful Tesla

From the comments I've seen, you are the minority stating the Rivian is far better. I get that your opinion of the Tesla experience was soured, and rightly so, by having a lemon, but on the whole most commenters going Rivian -> Tesla are happier with the Tesla. Don't see as many comments around here with someone going Tesla -> Rivian, so I also accept there's bias potentially at play.

> I think Tesla sells these cars at a loss They don't.

> Don't see as many comments around here with someone going Tesla -> Rivian, so I also accept there's bias potentially at play. Yeah the counterpoint is if you go to /r/Rivian you'll see plenty of people that swapped from Tesla to Rivian and are happy. Current Tesla owners will gravitate towards the Tesla sub(s), current Rivian owners will gravitate towards the Rivian sub

I haven’t tried *everything* on the market, but I’ve been ready to move on from Tesla for some time (since before values started tanking at least…) so have put in the research and either rented or done test drives of the most promising options and just haven’t found anything yet which ticks *all* the boxes. Maybe the interior is better, but the software is crap (Polestar). Maybe the charging speed is better, but the driving experience is crap (Ioniq5). Maybe the driving experience is better, but the daily usability is worse (i4). Some cars lack true OPD, or have worse regen, or ping pong within the lane when LKS is active, or won’t resume moving when TACC brings the car to a stop, or lack a phone key, or any myriad of shortcomings. Tesla may not hit 100 in any single category, but I’d argue they’re at least at 60 in all categories, which is more than most competitors can say.

Where do you live? I’m only asking because FSD can’t get me to downtown Phoenix without intervention. And it’s 90% Highway.

It sounds like the website pricing and what people are ACTUALLY getting is night and day different.

> Jesus people still believe that? Tesla FSD was finally reviewed in China and the overwhelming consensus was “it’s not as good as Chinese OEMs”. "Not as good as Chinese OEMs" on Chinese roads where the Chinese OEMs have directed massive amounts of their training, while Tesla hasn't. But yeah, we should use that information as to how FSDb functions in the US.

You don't trade anything in, it's a poorly worded article. It's just 5k conquest cash if you own a Tesla. The other 15k is eligible for everyone.

> Current Tesla owners will gravitate towards the Tesla sub(s), current Rivian owners will gravitate towards the Rivian sub Exactly, that's the bias I was referring to. But it's all subjective anyway. And people like buying new things which makes the new thing seem better than the old.

Polestar 2 is not an attractive car, IMO. I keep getting flashbacks to a 1980's AMC sedan.

Try +80k, I really wanted a BMW but once I added all the stuff that was comparable to a Tesla it was almost twice the price!!! Maybe I’ll try again in 4+ years.

Incredibly misleading title, intentionally of course. It's a $5k Tesla-related incentive.

Model 3 performance, about to have a cyber beast.

Polestar 4 doesn't, they've replaced it with a camera. The other models have such narrow windows and poor rear visibility you can almost describe it as vestigial too but that seems to be a trend I'm seeing more and more. Every time I sit in my Model 3 I marvel at the visibility front and side although the rear is a little restricted too but at least it is there. https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/14/23959448/polestar4-ev-coupe-rear-window-camera-ridealong

This is my current issue :(

Tesla was expensive when it launched. Now, compared to other EV brands, Tesla has the best price-to-value ratio.

California. I’ve driven all over the country with it and I probably have it engaged 95% of the time I’m in the car. It does need occasional interventions, but to me that’s part of the fun. I don’t expect or necessarily even want it to be 100% autonomous. There are some highway interchanges that it simply has bad data about. But usually those are ones where even google maps is a little confused.

This is one of the better quick explanations of why Teslas are awesome to own. Folks ask what drivers like about them, but it’s still hard to appreciate what you’ve never experienced.

compared to tesla. for sure no where close. as far as garbage goes, have you seen/used anything else? Polestar to me is 2nd best in both functionality and aesthetics. it's also one of the very few that ACTUALLY does OTAs similar to tesla. so garbage is NOT how i'd characterize their software.

as an owner of a 2017 xc90. wtf are you talking about lol.

typed on your chinese made iphone :)

"Polestar 2", there. i fixed your comment for you. P3 and P4 is in another stratosphere in regards to interior space.

I was just playin lol 😂 I’m sure it drives very well! Can it drive itself though?

the xenophobia in here is palpable.

I don’t disagree but the difference is a company being owned by the Chinese versus manufacturing products there

Great news!

You’d hope so it couldn’t possible get any worse.

Here's another fact. Geely is a privately owned company. They're not state controlled.

The deal already expired

I couldn't fit into it at all, negative headroom.

How many have you tried? I've had Teslas, BMWs and a Mercedes all optioned with "self driving" stuff. The latter two were just as good, if not better.  There is pretty much no difference between them. Except the BMW iX I have now is the best in a stop-and-go traffic jam situation. It behaves a lot more like a human. Both my Model 3 and Model S were quite slow in starting up again after the car in front had moved forward. To the people behind me it probably looked like I wasn't really paying much attention.

You only have to deal with a dealership once. You have to live with the car every single day.

It’s a lease though no finance

I have a e63s and a Y. If you went back in my comments far enough you’d see me making the same argument in favor of Mercedes but no longer feel that way and AP has been significantly Nerf’d since then. . My main beef was Tesla charging for FSD and not giving basics like lane changing. Mercedes is a 2020 tho so I haven’t tried the latest.

Trading in for a LEASE. No thanks.

CRAZY

Got a 2025 M3awd dual motor $3900 down $380 a month leased in December.

Are you looking down at your phone all the time??

Very desperate from Polestar. I wonder how many people swallowed the catch and got tricked into buying that piece of shit

I just got a lease on a Lucid Air Touring for $20 a month more than your M3P with 0 down. There are a lot of good deals out there

My brother in law has a Tesla Model 3 Highlander, I don't find the interface intuitive at all. You have to swipe to go into drive, reverse, hazards are in the worst possible place, when you drive to a supercharger car start humming etc and the most annoying one, even as a passanger, not having the ability to turn off traffic animations.

He doesn’t have to swipe, it’s called auto shift. He might not have it on. Heck, when you turn the wheels on the other side all the way and press brake it even knows you are trying to go in reverse and shifts it for you. Your complaints are of someone that doesn’t like to change from the norm. They are personal complaints. And while I respect them, I don’t agree with it not being intuitive. Loaners - when service station gives you a loaner, you scan the QR code, car gets added to your app, it gets your seat setting, light settings, ac settings. Auto off blinkers - cameras looking at the road and gps and when you finish that turn the blinker will shutoff without that annoying click. As someone said “you have to experience it to know what it is” You get an error code or warning in the car, you go in the service menu and whole ticket is ready for you. Drive with pin - every time you have to put car in drive, it asks for a pin. Without pin you can not drive. My favorite - parental settings - you can limit the speed your kids can drive on. You get notified when they hit max speed. You can be notified when car moves during the curfew hours. The list goes on and on and on. There isn’t a single thing that has not been innovated. But you can find it counter intuitive and it’s okay with me.

I used to live near downtown phoenix but recently moved out to the suburbs. For me it worked well in central phoenix but it struggled in certain spots so while I had interventions every drive I knew where they would occur. In the burbs it works pretty much flawlessly. I use it every drive and have had virtually no interventions. It recently started to slightly aggressively creep forward at red lights which is annoying but so far has yet to actually try to go through a red light.

That’s cool. I really want to experience a Polestar, but 0 chance I’d give up my Model S for that!

Hmm, my state id still says my parents house, they have a Tesla, I wonder if this would work.

Smoke my pole star

Me? Not at all. Last time I had the free trial it had that eye tracking that worked a treat so I could keep my hands off the wheel. I kept my eyes glued to the road lol I think the cause of issues are the merges with other highways, and it getting confused with some of the off ramps on my commute.

I find myself not even using any of those extra apps on the Tesla. So having the ability to install more apps is nice but gimmicky most of the time.

I see. Yeah I didn’t realize the eye tracking and got frustrated every time it disengaged when I looked at my phone lol. But I drive in FSD everywhere and on the highway. No issue. What model do you have?

What does Tesla taking responsibility has anything to do with the car driving itself? lol.

M3P

Polestars are way over priced.

Rear windows aren’t required, you really don’t need one for a car. They’re just convenient.

Damn the hazards are in a weird place? Why did you list all that other stuff when all you needed was weirdly placed hazards. Must be one of the worst cars ever made

LMAO polestar isn’t worth the price tag at all. Even with the price drop.

A gently used 2022 or 2023 Model 3 perf with low miles you can find under $30k pretty easily. Best commuter option

Unless you were planning on getting them a Juniper MY, they would have hated you for it. The MY's suspension is nowhere near the comfort of an RX's.

I don't use a lot of apps if any at all. It's just the freedom of choice that's nice. Like you can choose which navigation you want (Google, Waze, ...) or Podcast app.

agreed that the ride comfort of an RX is superior, especially for passengers. Tech features and general drive fun matter way more to me, but my SO would have absolutely preferred comfort. It's funny though, we bought it a month ago and have driven it maybe 4 times. they don't actually like to drive, and when we use it, usually I am the one driving anyway.

V4 hardware makes such a difference, I hate driving on fsd in our model s with v3, it's so much better in the Cybertruck. It really annoys me how different it is.

exactly, can get a 3 close to 20k. For that I get on my phone and can heat it up, dog mode, a very easy to use and dependable freeway autopilot and lane censoring. As the above said its a seamless, intuitive iphone experience. To me the car is cool tech a great drive and a good looking car(the old 3 at least) Its great there is a lot of competition, especially on the drive quality front, but the tech, interface, charger infrastructure-tesla has made the diving experience easy and even the legacy ev convertors are trying to find some working situation

too*

Living under a rock I see

Zero chance for a trade for me

Polestar for a Tesla 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nah I’m good

Too bad the software sucks. It’s hard to move away from Tesla’s “iPhone on wheels” execution.

You think the Model 3 has good visibility? I think it's quite poor, especially those huge A pillars always in the way on curvy roads. My old VW, now, like a glass-house, can see everywhere. Sure, I'd die in any crash over about 10km/hr but hey, I can see much better until then! ;-)

It might be because I'm tall, apart from the rear window which I think isn't as good as it could be, the rest of the glass area is really good for me. Compared with the Polestars, pretty much anything would be good. I don't get this trend for having really small glass areas but as cars have got bigger and taller the glass seems to get smaller. I find driving my wife's LEAF hard because that has a big rear view mirror blocking out a chunk of the glass, plus the area where the rain sensor is takes up a lot, and the rear window is almost vestigial.

Are you on HW4? Because it’s very different

My M3 has HW3 I believe.

Only buying Tesla for life

The new Y already looks like a polestar.

Even for $20k, it's not worth it. The Polestar feels cheap and is little better than an electric go kart. Biggest issue no charging network. I rented one and we'll not impressed at all. I needed 4 EV charging apps to find chargers along the way. What a pain in the arse. No FSD. Build quality is okay, interior feels cheap. The seats are okay. IMHO, why bother. Without Volvo's support they'll be out of business soon.

I’ve had my Tesla for a decade. My new Polestar is fantastic.

Early Teslas had the same experiences. I had one in 2012. Polestar, like Tesla, has improved the operating system since then.

P3 has better visibility than my Model X.

I hate FSD on my 18 model s. I assume it’s glorious in new vehicles. I feel like a sucker having bought it outright. When they offer the trade in program’s and” complimentary FSD transfer” they never offer what the car is worth. Such a crappy tactic.