https://x.com/teslacharging/status/1892321902598766608?s=46&t=Mj3Wz0ulX1Eu1u4P8DTbQg
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About damn time. It's just a shame that it had to take a public tussle to be posted online for them to do anything about it.
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People have been asking for a queue and stall planning system in forums and Reddit since before Model 3 released.
Son of a bitch, you've figured out how long I've been asking for a virtual queue.
What are you even talking about? Tesla chargers are the most reliable and user friendly ev chargers
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"Tesla barely takes any real (reasonable) responsibility for their Supercharging sites. They dump them in some parking lot and wish you the best."
Love this idea and it should work pretty well with teslas. Im worried it’s not going to work very well with other EVs though.
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It will just work via the app.
Because all those things you want (and don’t get me wrong, I want them too) cost a ton of money and come at the expense of total stall count growth. Companies like iONNA are trying to be more “premium” of an experience, but we have yet to see if that’s a sustainable model.
Being able to charge in the middle of nowhere is a good thing as that gives you the ability to drive to different places and not have to worry about running of of charge. Besides, during the charging time you can rest in the car, watch tv, play games or use the browser.
This is pretty sweet, it shouldn't be that hard to assign you a number in line as well as a stall. I guess once you get within a certain distance of the chargers? 50 meters or something.
Most of them take up 2 spots though. I think that’s going to mess the whole system up unless they account for that.
Big Bear supercharger should be near the front of the line (ha!) based on the chaos I saw over the holiday weekend. That location has 6 stalls in front of a popular pizza joint at the busiest intersection in town, and the tiny parking lot has 2 entrances - the wrong entrance is closest to the chargers and essentially guarantees that as soon as you pull in the lot, you’re blocking cars from leaving 4 of the 6 chargers…enter the holiday weekend with fresh snow in Tesla saturated socal. I saw a queue as long as 10+ Teslas snaking through the adjacent parking lot when I first drove by, and Teslas trying to join the queue were backing up traffic because they couldn’t enter the parking lot and get out of the street. I was fortunate to time it right to hit a 2 car queue later in the weekend, but the line grew behind me, Teslas were coming through the wrong entrance and blocking traffic, and as I was leaving, a Rivian showed up to use 2 spots 😓 While it’s great to have a supercharger in Big Bear, it boggles my mind how, despite all the historical supercharger data they had up to that point, it’s like someone saw the first parking lot upon arriving at the village and decided it was the best option. I feel like putting those 6 stalls in the upper lot behind the Bowling Barn would have been much less disruptive to businesses and traffic, but maybe Tesla got a sweetheart deal to build them where they are.
Got em ;) I’ve been begging since my 2015 Model S so I’m right there with you
You could be assigned based on nav arrival time long before you get there - take a detour, lose your spot in queue. Seems easy enough to build considering they know most folks going to the charger. Gives Tesla drivers priority over other EVs though, which I’m not complaining about.
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Dang, I did not factor that in, maybe they will only be allowed to use end stations or the existing ones made for them? I'm sure Tesla has considered this as well. Maybe, Shmaybe, Prob not.
They will definitely account for that
Way before 2015. We talked about this in 2012 and 2013 on TMC and Tesla's own forums.
I’m saying *I personally* was asking for it. I know it’s something that was brought up before superchargers even spanned the US. I read those forum posts too, just didn’t own a Tesla.
Thank goodness, I rarely use SuperChargers but when I did this weekend, people were forming 3 different lines and racing each other as soon as a spot opened up. I just left, this will help greatly, especially with other brands coming to charge too.
This is cool. Wonder if it'll work like Uber's virtual queuing for drivers?
I wonder if this would be enforced with high idle times if someone jumps the queue. Perhaps have a big flashing red screen on the infotainment system stating that the car isn't charging, they need to jump back in line, and that you're paying $$$ for blocking whoever the next person in line is.
Bet they don’t account for those of us pulling trailers
I believe one of the latest updates takes into account which stalls are available. If another manufacturer is charging and it’s taking up 2 spots it will alert that X stall is unavailable.
Couldn't they though? Don't you put it in trailer mode (or whatever it's called) when you're towing a trailer? They'd know.
You bring up valid points especially about the safety aspect. I’ve only used superchargers in Vancouver, BC and in Washington state (near Seattle) and those chargers were well lit, near amenities and quite busy so my view was biased. Thanks for offering a different perspective.
lol was just there today and saw a rivian trying to angle in as I was leaving. That crepes place is awesome gotta say.
It would be silly of Tesla to not take advantage of this new queueing system to let the queueing algorithm stack the Teslas and non-Tesla most efficiently.
I want routing to route just a little smarter. Because I’ve been overriding it, often. Example: there are superchargers A, B, and C on my long route, and I’m routed to recharge at B. And so is everyone else currently on that popular trip, in both directions, so B gets super busy. It *should* reroute some of us to make earlier and later, shorter stops at A and C, but it doesn’t. I do it manually and wave to the teslas queuing up at supercharger B.
What about vehicles that don't use the app, how do you force them to use it?
Hope that Rivian had a backup plan cause Big Bear isn't a NACS enabled V3 location lol
Questions: How will this work with non-Tesla EV's? Most of them are able to charge without ever interacting with the app so how do you let them know they need to use it if this is implemented? Will MCU 1 cars receive the first update with new features in years to use this update? Prior to upgrading my MCU I didn't get a single new feature in an OTA update other than bug fixes and minor changes since I bought my car in 2023. Afaik the only "features" that were added was an update to FSD v12.3.6 for cars with HW3 and an MCU1. ' If they resolve both of these issues with the app what will be someone incentive to use it at all? How do you let the users know they need to use the app in the first place? How will Tesla assure people just don't break the rules? Will they limit the start of a charge session on a new charger to just that of the car who's in the queuing system or will they rely purely on goodwill?
They should definitely be banished to the end slots those cocksuckers
Force the use of the app.
Unfortunately it looked like the driver’s first time at a supercharger. They pulled in forward in the space next to mine and realized the charger cable was too short to reach the other side, then pulled out and all the way to the right of the parking space to get closer but found out that only earned a couple extra inches, then as I left, it looked like they took my spot to use the cable from the next spot over - wasn’t there long enough to see the final tragic chapter if the charger didn’t actually work 😳
How
Brutal, kinda sad I wasn't there myself to help them out lol
The same way all other public chargers work. If you simply plug in, charge doesn’t start. You would have to open the app and authenticate/pay/start charge and if it’s not your turn it would make you move your car and wait in the line and then when it’s your turn it tells you what stall to plug into.
Probably why its on select sites, likely ones that have V4 stalls which don't have that issue.
Knoxville please.
Or that aren’t turned on for third party charging.
How do non Teslas use the chargers anyways? Don't they already have to have the app?
Which are likely the ones that need it most.
No, they usually go through their manufacturers app and it's plug and charge like Teslas
Pretty sure everybody besides Teslas have to use the app.
Thanks for the info, neat.
Rivian works without the app, it authenticates directly with Tesla throughout their system
It already does exactly that.
V2 sites could also use telling users which stall to use for optimizing charging for everyone so that the guy who pulls in right after you pairs up with someone who’s close to being done charging instead of you, me, or someone else who just started and ideally get max speed for longer.
If someone jumps the queue in a Nio it won’t start. Tesla can do the same
They can just copy Nio’s system. You are put in the queue when you put the charger in the nav, but aren’t fully assigned til within 1km. You can’t start til it’s your turn.
No car takes up 2 parking spots what ? That just sounds like shitty drivers
If you make the system intelligent enough I think you could come up with something that can take different cars into account. You know the car, you know which stalls are open/opening up - so you should be able to figure out when it's sensible to open up an opportunity for someone who requires two spaces (i.e. when two charging sessions on adjacent stalls are being compled almost at the same time). But as someone else wrote: it's probably easier to just roll this out to sites with v4 stalls first and see who that goes...and eventually retrofit other sites to v4 stalls before making this universal.
Not shitty drivers. The cord is too short and the charge port is in the front instead of the back like teslas. Ford lightning and Mach-e for example.
Ahh, I guess I've never been to a full one, so never noticed!
Yeah I personally don’t think it’s teslas fault and car manufacturers should all have the same charge port and location similar to usb-c. We’ll see if that ever happens though
Yeah absolutely can't hold Tesla accountable for not catering enough to the competition roflmao
Don’t even need the same position, as long as the side of the car is the same
Well my ford lightning has a port on the same side, but it’s in the front so it messes everything up. I guess if it was on the opposite side, but still in the front it would work.
Maybe [it'll stop this ](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGOO9-6vYt9/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==)
Yeah that was a stupid comment I made, forgot how the v2/v3 cables are really reallly short.
Yep, and Teslas take up two spaces from them too. Thus interesting problem for the virtual queue to consider.
Curious though, would it allow the use of middle spots for these vehicles? Even though a Mach E might need two spots to charge, it probably requires 4-5 open adjacent spots to maneuver the vehicle into position right?
The new Chargers are place in the middle of a parking place and have a pretty long cable. They solved this problem already
Sure? I’ve seen it not do this many, many times. It will route *past* a busy supercharger, to the next one. But it won’t route to a supercharger *before* a busy one.
Yeah.. pretty sure :) I’ve seen it both happen, I expected to arrive with 8% but now arriving at another charger with 14. Or in one case, arriving with 3% where I expected to arrive with 9 at another. It will show ‘Redirecting to a less busy supercharger’ in a ribbon. You need to have a destination far ahead for it to do so. Happens to me on heavy traffic days going skiing jn the European Alps for example (driving 600+ miles).
Why would it need 4-5 spots to maneouver? It's just a difference between parking forward and parking backward. That doesn't require extra space that is not available normally.
In Europe tap-to-pay is mandatory for all new chargers. Can't enforce an app.
V4 posts have card readers, at least in Europe
Ok. Good to know. I’ve only ever seen it reroute from busy superchargers to ones that are *after* the busy one. (And by the time you get there, guess what?) Never before, so I use my own manual, “pit early, 3 stop strategy” instead. Anyway, I’ve no doubt it will keep improving. My windscreen wipers seem to be rational nowadays, for example : )
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