The very first lines of robotaxi code are here

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Super exciting. It finally seems relatively close. FSD V13 is absolutely incredible, and if the rate of progress we've seen since the switch to an end-to-end neural network continues, then this will happen a lot sooner than I thought a year ago.

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How do you know they've been doing this? I was under the impression they relied solely on third party maps for streets and parking lots.

Agreed! FSD v13 is amazing. My biggest complaint since the last update release has been the routes the navigation system chooses to take, which is pretty incredible if you think about it. Until today when I learned the hard way it’s not great at avoiding potholes on bad roads. On the bright side Tesla mobile service was pretty quick to get me a new tire! We’re so close I can feel it.

IIRC they use OpenStreetMap exclusively for parking lots, which is open source.

If you could let me know where these "mapped parking lots" are that'd be great because Tesla can't even consistently map to their own superchargers in parking lots lol

I took three waymos last weekend they all took me to what ever address I wanted. No walking a block.

Lyft makes contributions to OSM and they use it for their app. You can see it because they have <first name>\_<last\_name>\_lyft as their username. I haven't seen any names with Tesla in them but they might just be using whatever contributors have already mapped

I took many Waymos on my trip to Phoenix and I multiple times had to walk 5-7 minutes, it's fairly common.

Also took Waymo and it took me exactly to my destination, no long walk after drop off. Not sure what this guy is talking about.

As far as I understand, you cannot be picked up anywhere (obviously I mean within their covered area) with a Waymo. Some locations require you to go to a specific pick-up point.

I wouldn’t call it an advantage yet. FSD doesn’t even recognize how directions work in parking lots and will often go the wrong way down a one-way aisle.

Maybe you have old info. I could pretty much put any address in SF in and it went right to it, to pick me up or drop me off. It even took me to a friends house in the burbs, right in their driveway.

Yeah that would suck. When did you go to Phoenix? Was it like it wouldnt do parking lots? My recent trip to SF wasn't anything like this. But there aren't alot of parking lots in SF. It would go address to address just like a taxi. Maybe its newer hardware/software etc..

Very exciting!

Literally just got out of one an hour ago. Had to walk 2 blocks to the pickup and about 5 minutes to the restaurant on drop off. Was cool to show it to friends but we took uber on the way home (it was raining like hell tonight so not worth it to deal with Waymos shortcomings)

The REST Endpoint naming sucks…Hope the code is way better than its name

Who would purchase one?

Can't wait to see when FSD and Waymo are in the same area, which one consumers choose to use. Hopefully won't have to wait long.

static void int main() { this.drive(); }

do you even know how to code? That statements makes no sense on many levels

Do you only drive in good weather? Seems soooooooooooooo far away to have this in Michigan except for when the weather is perfect 1/4th the time. I have been waiting and have used FSD since 2018 still not even close to ready. It would cause an accident daily if I didn’t intervene…

How is this different than what Tesla showed last year? [https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2003/tesla-reveals-robotaxi-app-and-names-the-robotaxi-the-cybercab](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2003/tesla-reveals-robotaxi-app-and-names-the-robotaxi-the-cybercab)

FSD wasn't available to customers in 2018.

The link op posted shows someone finding the first lines of code for the robotaxi. The link you posted just mentions Tesla announcing/revealing the robotaxi, no mention of finding lines of code.

Yes

I live in Austin so when they come out in June hmu and I’ll let you know if it’s good or not

It works great in the rain, in my experience. If there's lots of snow on the road I'm hesitant to use it, but it's definitely fine for rain. Are you saying there's snow on the road for 3 out of every 4 days in the year?

I am planning on buying two. One for my parents and one for my wife’s parents. Zero reason they should need to drive if they don’t want to.

Will do!

That's very generous of you, but I doubt any of them will even step foot in that car. Since you still have parents, I imagine you're pretty young. It would be impossible for you to get into their mindset for their age. But we shall see.

Phoenix?

I can see the most hated brand of robo taxis ... might be vandalized to F. What if someone spray paints the cameras and sensors?

I also live in Austin and holding off on the MY refresh since I don’t want FSD yet but when full FSD comes here and if it’s stellar I might reconsider

Are they putting this in the existing Tesla app or will it be a standalone app?

Yes it was I paid $3k for it. It wasn’t FSD just like it’s not now. Back then it was only highway and limited to be only a fancy cruise control. Worked very intermittently and lots of phantom brake events!

Do you drive on the freeway in the rain? The side cameras get covered in water and says fsd is limited then won’t auto lane change or pass cars. In light rain and on surface streets it handles rain better but add darkness with rain spots on the cameras then errors start back up again. I want it to work I paid for it. But I also know it’s not reliable enough yet. I am not convinced after 6 years of hearing it’s almost done that it will be for a long time and especially not with the current hardware.

You can purchase FSD, sure, but you certainly didn't use FSD in 2018. In 2018, you could have Autopilot or Enhanced Autopilot and Navigate on Autopilot. You couldn't get access to FSD Beta until 2021, and only with a high "Safety Score."

I do, yes. Those lane change messages aren't real. They're from legacy systems and need to be removed so they don't confuse people. FSD 12 and above doesn't even know what a lane change is, so disabling lane changes is literally impossible anyway. I've seen that "auto lane change unavailable" message many times and my car just kept changing lanes like normal. Don't be fooled by that sort of thing.

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It would also be way more expensive if/when that happens.

Waymo does parking lots. They just don't do *all of them*, yet.

V13.2.7 I feel like there are deliberate dilutions. The car tosses errors like crazy. Just had service look at it and they said it’s all normal. Driving through a snowstorm means something different depending where you are I guess. Here it won’t get out of my neighborhood with the roads covered in snow/ice. Not without hitting curbs. Maybe I have a bad car but my experience is that it’s not close to driving itself outside of dry sunny days.

Semantics paid for software that had the same promise in 2018 as it does now and still doesn’t work…. Same name same inability to safely drive anyone anywhere without 100% supervision and the supervisor being 100% at fault for any of its errors. Whatever name you call it by it still doesn’t work as promised….

Vaporware end of day.

Waymo is so real and working and then you have dangerous Tesla who has fanatic followers willing to look the other way

Waymo did a three point tuen arround in parking lot with me. It was brilliant.

That's not semantics. It literally has a list of features that were available at that time's "today" and a promise of future abilities. I'm not arguing that your experience or frustration isn't warranted. I'm just saying you could only have experienced FSD (the ability to have the car drive in city streets) no earlier than late 2021 or early 2022. That's just a minor correction to what you originally wrote. I'm not trying it to invalidate anything else you said.

I think the Cybercab is gonna be good

The naming feels more like RPC than REST to be honest

Good idea. Thanks!

Waymo is awesome. That said if theoretically Tesla were able to launch this year, they would catch up very quickly because Waymo has scaled very slowly.

Theoretically, if my grandmother had wheels she’d have been a bicycle.

Huh? I had a Waymo pick me up in a crowded auto shop parking lot one time that I probably wouldn’t even drive into.

Waymo all the way initially.

More than likely yes. Will be interesting to see what happens over a year or two.