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I thought the Optimus bot was way behind other models. Am I wrong? It's not ready for production. And I also second the not losing focus idea
What makes you think that?
Tesla is not a car company. It builds robots on wheels and will soon build robots on legs. If you get chance, watch some of InvestAnswers youtube vids about Tesla to understand why Musk says Tesla will be biggest business in the world with optimus a much larger part than cars.
This bullshit is what will be building cars. I'm an Industrial Engineer working in car manufacturing. Some tasks can very well be performed by industrial robots, but some tasks cannot. For these tasks, Tesla wants to start using their own humanoid robots, which is a whole lot cheaper than people. Besides that it's a perfect way to start testing and developing on your own production lines.
As someone already asked you: where did you get the idea that it is way behind other models? Reddit? Did Reddit tell you that? Also, why do you think this is Tesla losing focus? Are you like the legacy carmakers who think that you can just slap a computer in a car and be done with it? Or have you realized, like Tesla did years and years ago, that what you are really doing is building a car around the computer? Because if you realize the second one, then I fail to see how you could see this being a loss of focus. It is just another product that plays in the same area that cars (as Tesla sees them) play in. You need a big factory, pumping out a framework around a computer. There are obviously differences, but not as much as you probably are thinking.
Lets just make sure if we want to, bots will only be available for renting. Ensures total control of leverage for price raises
I’m not saying it is impossible to do couple of things at the same time but last new global car model came about 5 years ago and other models are decade old.
How are they losing focus when the recently launch cybertruck, refreshed Y, about to launch all new cheaper models within next few months, paid robotaxi service in june and mass production of robocab by end of year.
On teslatracker- a site completely biased by data provided from Tesla superfans—version 13 goes 250 miles per critical disengagement on city streets. There is no robotaxi coming this year.
Not only cheaper but you can also build a factory anywhere, even if there are no skilled people living in the region! This is a game changer that not many think about (and that just popped up in my head after reading your comment)
"Tesla is just a car company". Ha yes, the meme. Some people will never get it.
You tend to build factories where the people are not only because of skilled labour but because thats where the existing infrastructure, suppliers and the buyers are.
The bots are to help start the colonization of Mars of course.
Im sure model 2 will be here any day now
there won’t be until there is
Lastest earnings they stated it will launch first half this year.
*Everything* Elon is CEO of is to help colonize Mars. * SpaceX? Gets people to Mars * Starlink? Provides internet/communications on Mars * Boring Company? Creates livable underground habitats and transit ways on Mars * Tesla? Provides robots to assist with whatever on Mars * Also Tesla? Provide transportation on mars (Robovan in particular) * Also Tesla? Provide power on Mars (Solar panels and battery farms) * Neuralink? Provides assistance with people who got hurt/maimed working on Mars to try and get them working again * X/Twitter? Provides a space for people to discuss their life on Mars * xAI? Provides brains for Tesla robots, and misinformation for X/Twitter on Mars * The US Government? Prototype for governing Mars (This one is obviously a half hearted joke, but you get the idea) That's why Tesla's stock is so irrational. People who put the pieces together just keep investing because they see the end goal.
Imagine applying for a job to build your replacement.
Lot of people have kids as their eventual replacement? We should go back to good old days of no computers, no internet, no phones?
Exactly! But the robots would already be in the positions that the kids would take. Robots never retire.
Why do they NEED more models? They just refreshed the Y and the model 3 is cheaper than ever.
Lmao yeah sure
A minivan would be a great addition to the lineup!
If customers are buying for example S & Xs in good numbers still, then maybe they do not need. I probably wouldn’t buy platform that came 10 years ago after my current X. Of course anyone doesn’t actually need latest and completely new models if old models still drive and goes from point to another but how long can it go until potential customer chooses another brand that has newer lineup
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Yeah I really wish the VW Buzz had even remotely decent range for the $60k plus they are charging for it, it’s a great design.
On my second Tesla and thinking about a third kid- I wish they made a suburban sized SUV with a full third row, not like the Y or X
Model Y is a best seller, I understand complaints about high valuation, but people saying this company is going down is insanely delusional.
Really wish the Cyber line could’ve gone the same way as Hummer EV. Cybertruck and Cyburban, same platform instead of only truck option. Edit: As consolation prize, would love the Model X to turn into bigger suburban type platform. With Model Y, Robotaxi, and upcoming Model Q, we’re gonna have over saturation of crossover/hatchback models
Completely agree. My neighbor has a cyber truck and his next door neighbor just got a VW id Buzz and I just look between the two and wish there was a mix of both
Why did they shutdown r/cybertruck ?
A UBI society would never be 'allowed to happen' without a very large robot workforce able to do 75-90% of jobs. This is the society of leisure the 1950s talked about, or the Elysium movie society where the plebs die while the rich have a space station. While the Elysium thing sounds nice for the rich, this is also human extinction, so I don't think it's an easy choice even for the mega rich.
This !
Cybertruck was recently released. You trying to exclude it by mentioning global models, seems extremely disingenuous. This has nothing to do with the topic of recent releases. It doesn’t matter whether they are global, or not.
So his next logical company would be around indoor agriculture
I left it out since it looks to be problem for business’ scalability as products (Cybertruck, FSD for example) only launches in single domestic market. If you look from anywhere from outside North America it feels like company is not offering much new things. These big valuations usually seem to relate somewhat on quick scalability. But let’s see, I think this year is really defining as we should see if old models are still selling and if there will be new announcements of cars that consumers can buy as personal vehicle.
Your topic was not scalability. Your topic was Tesla hasn’t done anything in years. That’s simply wrong.
Have you seen YoY EU sales?
Doesn't have to be *Elon* involved in that venture. [Kimbal Musk is involved in vertical farming](https://www.reddit.com/r/urbanfarming/comments/g5hwop/kimbal_musks_urban_farming_company_square_roots/). Elon's sister runs Passionflix, which is a company that makes Romance Novels into movies. Risque content as I understand it. Suffice to say, that's a digital media streaming arm. Elon is just more visible about his endeavors.
If the consumers want to choose an inferior vehicle they can. Global sales are increasing and they are expanding into new countries and markets. Cars will be Teslas lowest source of revenue in 10 years after Optimus and Energy ramp.
or building a cop robot that brutalizes you. elysium
Given that Tesla is virtually debt free and has a lot of cash just sitting there being eaten up by inflation it makes sense to do all they can at the same time. That and getting a bot that *demonstrates* usefulness to market early...well...we saw what the first (mass) mover advantage did to Tesla in the auto, charger and battery storage space. So there's definitely some value in executing earlier rather than later. Nothing influences buyer sentiment more than: "I have seen X work. I know Y from that other company may be cheaper, but X has a proven track record. That's worth a bit of a premium as opposed to an unknown newcomer."
The cars look similar but are very different underneath. If all you care about is looks then I understand.
But that's on all the streets in the US, some of which are still being driven on by a Tesla for the very first time even as I type this. What if Tesla could chose just one area, say a single city, to focus their efforts on for ensuring all the intersections are clearly known, all the street signs are being properly read, and all the navigation routing is accurate (which lanes go where, etc). Do you still think the disengagement numbers would be the same?
Then again: do you see humanity humping crappy 9-to-5 jobs forever? It's gonna happen eventually. Might as well be now.
with Kimbal also being involved, your theses totally makes sense. Although I don't think Elon got into Tesla with Mars in mind, but probably it emerged later on
No one did. It's private, because there are too many idiots in the world with internet access who want to come harass everyone in that sub.
I don’t think rich people are going to let middle class and low income people just lay around and collect a check. They don’t even want people to work from home . Look at the RTO push right now .
They need better charging batteries and more range with comfier seats. They seem to have been holding back innovation in that area. I'm surprised the S/X don't have massaging seats and enough insulation to be dead quiet on the highway.
'Collecting a check' will not be a thing. This needs to be accompanied by a fundamental transition of how society works. (Not right away but when robot labor is able to take the majority of jobs that no one *wants* to do.) At its most basic this will mean the end of the money system.
YoY, cherry picking the month of January, which is the month just before the refreshed model Y launch.... is not quite the argument you think it is. What do you want to bet that January 2026 will have >50% YoY growth?
Change for the sake of change is pointless. A classic design is a classic design forever. We don't need slightly different outside aesthetics and I hate companies that create a million different versions of a product because they think they have to appear different just to appear they're keeping up with the times.
> Given that Tesla is virtually debt free and has a lot of cash just sitting there being eaten up by inflation Maybe that's another reason he set up DOGE to stop so much government spending and subsequent printing of money. TSLA to the moon.
Why wouldn't he get into Tesla with Mars in mind? Tesla's cars have always just been a means to an end. Tesla's real *sauce* is batteries./stationary energy storage. Sure, you could send a series of RTGs over to Mars and run vehicles on those, or rudimentary BEV rovers and such, however, if you want a compelling "society", you need a bunch of easily produced vehicles that can operate in an underground environment. The Model X vehicles they use to shuttle astronauts around is their first foray into making vehicles where the occupants have to be tied into a quasi-life support system, because those Model X astronaut shuttles, as I understand it, have additional tubing to let the astronauts hook up and stay cool while in the vehicle. You can bet your ass that the Cybertruck was designed with some of that in mind. The "unboxed" assembly process that's used on the Cybertruck means that, technically, they can just ship the trucks to Mars disassembled, then put them together when they get there. Send a shipment of them with 4-8 Optimus bots to assemble it, and you're good to go.
/r/Cybertruck is still a very active subreddit. It was made private because some oppositional subreddits don't know how to let people be happy with their decisions.
You really don’t have any of your own opinions. If he came out with new models tomorrow you’d change your opinion on a dime.
If those models served a real practical purpose (such as a small model 3), then yes, otherwise not really.
>Why do they NEED more models? Because not all markets and not all consumers have needs which fit into Tesla's existing lineup. * Europe needs smaller cars, because it typically has smaller roads and tighter parking constraints. Thus, a subcompact is needed. * China needs minivans and (cheap) seven-seaters, because many families there are multi-generation. You need to stuff dad, mom, grandpa, grandma, and two or three kids in the back. * The USA needs a proper off-road SUV because many people live off-road, in rural areas, need to be able to put their dogs in the back, etc. * Utility vans are needed, because plumbers, electricians, and couriers cannot work out of a pickup truck. You can keep going. Tesla's lineup is at least half the size of what it needs to be.
Surely the first batch of robots will be employed to assemble the next. If they aren't up to it, what are they good for? There's a classic New Yorker cartoon I wish I could locate, showing robots assembling their duplicates, with one (human) supervisor saying to another; "Sometimes I ask myself: 'Where will it end?'".
> At its most basic this will mean the end of the money system. Do you really, honestly believe that billion/trillion dollar corporations would be working on something that would end in them losing all their money and privileged position?
The global car market is larger than California. The same cars do not fit every circumstance. China is coming for their market share over the next 5-10 years and it will have every design level covered across the market. They need more diverse offerings and cost options. You cannot grow by remaining stagnant, eventually more nimble competitors eat your market share.
Thankfully they did it too. Now it's actually a place where people can share real insight into owning the vehicle rather than people just downvoting every post and comment about a car they don't have, want, like and will never own. Edit: lol judging by the downvotes I see those people are in here now instead lmao Just for all of you, I have had my CT since June and love every second of it. I even drove it cross country for the holidays and back and it was an absolute great time! Got a chance to talk to other owners at the superchargers and everyone was very nice and excited about their trucks too. It's a shame so many people have bought into the hate on a great vehicle!
[You're welcome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM)
Is that why Model 3 lease was reduced, and $2500 incentive added, and CTs are being discounted? cause of model Y launch?
they need 1 vehicle per popular segments to maxmimize the amount of cars they can sell. S & X is just luxury 3 & Y They need a cheap vehicle that will compete with the cheapest ICE equivelent such as the toyota corolla. Hopefully the new model that's said to be coming out this year starts at 30k. There's also a huge market for full sized SUV, and mini van. The cybertruck is good but probably too expensive to build. TBH i think if they just built a standard truck that's cheaper and easier to build, they would be a much bigger succuess than the CT since they can sell it for much lower price.
We're already seeing the start of it with the democratization of energy production and storage. Next step will be the democratization of goods production and then of recycling and 'ownership' of materials. At that point the entire idea of an economy (much less money) stops making sense. (And if we think even further then at some point the entire idea of 'external goods' will become moot. But that's really far future stuff. The other things are already technically possible - though not yet economically feasible/sensible.)
Do not build your replacement.
I wouldn’t buy a car made in China and don’t care how good it is. There are a lot of people like me
Tesla makes Chinese cars but OK, you do you man. Nice thing about the car industry is that it's pretty big and everyone can do their moral grandstanding and still find a company that fits them.
Does Tesla ship Chinese made cars to the us?
This feels like the sequel to Alien Dreadnought Factory but with the same predictable ending.
Tesla has some amazing seats. What are you talking about?
Whose job did computers and phones take? Did they take away 50%+ of jobs in the market?
What do you mean with this?
Nobody who buys a cybertruck in rural areas are using them for any kind of off road rural activities. We have actual trucks for that purpose. I live in a rural area and people that own cybertrucks use them as regular city cars, same as a mininvan. It snowed 6 inches here today and if I went out driving right now, I can guarantee I wouldn't see a single cybertruck.
How desperate do you have to be to want to work for MuSSk? How desperate will you be after a year of working there?
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