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Come on, this is Tesla we're talking about. If there wasn't another factor there is no way they would have let that stop them.
I guess time will tell but I never read much into 3 days off. If it was demand it would be a lot longer than that.
by the time this tunnel is done, FSD V14 will do laps around the whole GFTX
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This, if there was a demand problem, Tesla would just slash the price.
Especially since the Cybertruck is already gross margin positive after just a year of production. They have a lot of demand levers to continue pulling to keep deliveries up.
I was under the same impression as well. It's common to stop production to address barriers to making the line better or more proficient. Right now the news cycle really wants to make the Cybertruck fail. It was a similar scenario with the model 3.
We all knew this. The F150 Lightning has stopped production for months. THATS a demand issue. CT demand might be slowing, but a 3 day production stop is not a sign of that.
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Who's going to tell the cirlclejerkers in r/technlogy and r/austin? There are more shutdowns ahead for even more plant revisions.
Yeah, their post-production vehicle storage for Y and CT is on the other side, so it's been a PITA for them to drive them around on surface streets. This tunnel being finished will help smooth that process a lot.
It’s a PITA? It’s a small drive across a private road no one else uses.
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It's a long way round when vehicles are piling up quickly and time is of the essence. Have you been there? Vehicles emerge around the center of the plant. The tunnel is right there.
Reddit and social media in general has a hate boner for Cybertruck. Like it’s an object, no is forcing you to buy it. Reddit in particular is extremely thin skinned and hates Tesla to the bones
Have you tried reading the article? “The other end of the Giga Texas tunnel opens inside the Cybertruck production area. Tesla had to halt Cybertruck production to complete the tunnel opening inside the factory.”
It's just a terrible truck... So yeah people are going to clown on it. Don't know how people that own one aren't embarrassed
People get so offended if you drive past them without polluting their lungs. It's the American way.
If you haven’t driven one yet how do you know? Basing off other people’s opinions and bias? I would highly recommend you using one first before holding a grudge against it.
I’m new to the Tesla scene. What happened with the 3 initially?
The same sort of initial production challenges, and the same sort of media rooting for it to fail.
all the tesla haters are on life support now
smart rich people that have money seem to buy [it.So](http://it.So) if smart people are making the same deicision....doesnt that make you think that perhaps you are not part of that smart group? therefore your opinion might not be the right one? :)
Yeah but isn't there really no other way in such a big building to get cars out?
That's an emotional take. I think Tesla fans are disappointed in the cybertruck being so unusual and it's issues, when compared to a BYD shark which seems to have hit the brief for a pickup out of the park. Tesla hasrdropped the ball, and BYD is taking advantage.
Shutting down a plant and turning it back on for only 3 days is way more expensive than producing those 3 days and basically giving away those cars.
But this isn't doom and gloom. This can't be true.
It’s just the Reddit news cycle, TBH…
Apparently not. Because if it was you can bet that’s what they would do.
Yeah ok good one 👍🏻
I kinda doubt that. I was around 1 million in line to get mine with an estimated wait time of 2027. I ultimately cancelled my order. I logged in last night to check delivery if I ordered and it was basically immediate this month. So basically a s***t ton of people also cancelled their orders too. IMO Demand has fallen off the cliff
Because they like/love it? I’ll be damned if I ever felt embarrassed about a car I owned. Somebody else hates it? Who cares? *I’m* the one driving it and it’s in *my* garage, not theirs.
Yeah I’ll never understand that. I get sharing your opinion but some go overboard, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Plenty of people hate your dream car, no matter how normal(or not) it looks. It’s party why I’m staying out of the bigger subs more often.
You are simply wrong.
Hopefully they fix all the Ap4 computers short-circuiting.
"Never argue with dumbasses, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
I agree its the media wanting it to fail, but the M3 was viewed far differently than the CT. Theyre not even close, I think that is one of the many reasons the CT is so polarizing, its so different from the whole line up. I just wish they would have done like the M3/MY and made a regular EV truck in 2 sizes.....
Literally all of the exact same stories. Pictures on reddit of "full" parking lots of "unsold inventory", random short production halted making the front page, short sellers predicting massive sell offs, literally every single cybertruck story you see had a model 3 equivalent.
Nobody should have read into it, and yet the internet LOVES to shit on this one product. Rams could drive off the lot and have their wheels fall off, not news, if a single CT out of the thousands on the road has a tiny issue it’s huge news over at /r/electricvehicles and threads/bluesky with nothing but “I KNEW IT, pile of junk” comments. As someone who likes it for no other reason than I like it, it’s exhausting.
lol. God damn the media loves to spin any Tesla news into something negative
The bigger difference to me was the sold convertible notes to mortgage the future of TSLA on the model 3 program. If it failed Tesla would be in a difficult cash position. That’s not the case for cybertruck regardless of consumer appeal.
BYD isn't doing anything to CT sales. They just rolled it out and ONLY outside of the US and Canada while the Cybertruck is ONLY sold in the US and Canada. It's a drastically less powerful and less capable truck compared to the Cybertruck, Rivian, Silverado, and Lightning. And that's with it being a hybrid. They haven't even began deliveries of the Shark. How in the world did you come to the insane conclusion that BYD is taking advantage of a ball drop by Tesla's Cybertruck?
I'm waiting on final year numbers to discuss with everyone at r/electricvehicles. They have had articles basically every single month this year talking about demand dying for the Cybertruck. And of course it is filled with people taking about how they knew it was horrible and no one wanted it and blah, blah, blah. And yet every quarter, we get sales numbers showing increases in deliveries and plenty of details proving that demand is high. As of right now, it looks like Tesla has already met or are at least very close to their goal of 50,000 for the year.
Not yet. Wait until next month and then they should be once Tesla shows their delivery report for the year.
People have been claiming that all month. And yet it production and deliveries keep going up.
Tarriffs will be the only thing that saves the cybertruck. Hardly a glowing endorsement. Outside of the US the cybertruck's future is novelty only.
You are basing that off of absolutely nothing. Cybertruck isn't even affected by the local EV trucks and you think a Chinese automaker would make a dent in Tesla's sales? The Shark is a Ford Ranger competitor, not a competitor for a full size truck.
The cybertruck is a toy, not an industrial pickup. Serves only the vain. Way more than half of Tesla's sales are outside the US. Can you imagine anyone in china buying the cybertruck over a shark?. Lol.
The lightning isn’t being produced between November 15th through January 6th, which is 52 days. If the truth is what we’re striving for here in this thread, using “months” to describe the Lightning production shut down isn’t meeting that standard.
Okay it’s shut down for a month+ Vs months So 1+ vs 2+ My apologies lmao
What?
How specifically is it terrible? Is it because it's much nicer to drive than pretty much any other truck? (Rivian aside - though the stiffer structure than my Rivian really gives it a notch over it in some areas.)
Cybertruck is the M3 of trucks. Need something brash to make headwinds. Trucks being a masculine thing and cybertruck being the most masculine design possible will help.
I can see that, but the problem is the market for a big expensive truck is usually nothing along these lines design wise. The CT is very unique which is good and bad. For example, one of the companies I support is a construction company. Loads of old fashioned guys that all drive huge 100k Ford/Chevy/Dodge trucks. Even the CEO who never needs a truck drives one in that particular company. So far, all of them have either bought a Rivian or F150L if they go EV. When I asked them why not the CT, they didn't feel they could do actual work with it despite liking it. Also, one of them mentioned they didn't want the attention and stigma that comes with it. The only people in my area that have gotten a CT are loyal Tesla fans, people trying to flex or get attention, and business advertising with them due to the attention they get. Literally nobody i know is using it as a truck, which is where the problem is with most people who actually utilize a truck for work. I know it's outselling the other trucks, but not to actual long time truck owners. That's where the future really is for any EV truck long term imo.
> That's where the future really is for any EV truck long term imo. You know most truck drivers are pavement princesses, so clearly that is not true.
The Shark isn't even sold in China. Where are the vast majority of trucks sold? The US. What truck isn't sold in the US? The Shark. Which truck is likely to sell more than the Shark? ALL OF THEM!!! You are giving credit for the Shark WHEN IT DOESN'T EXIST!! Not one single one has been sold. And yet you think its already dominating the Cybertruck? You have issues. Who knows if the Shark will ever sell well. I have no issue with it. But it has currently not been sold to anyone. And it isn't for sell in the US nor is it likely to ever be sold in the US. Further, how are you seriously thinking the Cybertruck is a toy while praising the Shark? Again, it is the WEAKEST and least capable of ALL EV trucks. It is a quarter ton pickup competitor, going against the Ford Ranger and the random Utes sold in other countries. I'm sure it will do well in its markets. But it is not competition to the trucks sold in the US.
Can you link to any of that? People were pretty excited from what I remember.
Buying Rivian for work-worthiness? Are they stupid?
God bless America the isolationist.
Here's an r/wallstreetbets post from the time showing general short interest, and the list of problems feels almost point-for-point like a list of problems compiled about cybertruck: https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/jLJVLmZQq0 Edit: I posted a bunch of other links that got caught up in the mod queue, so I'm posting them here as well. Sure. Here's the New York Times talking about parking lots of unsold cars and demand problems. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/business/tesla-cars-questions.html --- Here's a Bloomberg article about a production halt. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-17/tesla-temporarily-pauses-production-of-the-model-3-sedan-again?embedded-checkout=true --- Bonus: here's a slightly later story from 2021 about how Teslas can't handle the car wash (lol) https://www.motorbiscuit.com/you-cant-take-your-tesla-through-a-car-wash/
Unsure how big the short interest is right now, but Tesla has seen incredible short interest over the years. A few short sellers are making a bet, others have a plan. A «little push» here and there. You would always see increased negative attention before earnings call, and if they had good earnings you’d get a lot of negative attention trying to push down the increase in stock price. Everything from alleged stories, to people actually out there deliberately trying to cause accidents or sudden influx of previously not active in Tesla subreddits redditors with negative posts of «owner experience» or based on «test driving». Some of the content was easy to pick apart if you were an owner and new how things work, other stuff probably slipped through without getting called out.
“Social media months”
You can’t even go on the EV subreddit with a Tesla flair at times. Shit is unreal
Tons of Ap4 computers across model 3 and Y 2024 are short circuiting. Leading to lose of cameras, navigation and screen. Google "internal short in ap4 computer."
Bonus: here's a slightly later story from 2021 about how Teslas can't handle the car wash (lol) https://www.motorbiscuit.com/you-cant-take-your-tesla-through-a-car-wash/ Edit: looks like any attempt to provide links results in my comments getting deleted, so I guess you can just take my word that there are examples of all of those things if you search for them.
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It sells more trucks each year than the rest of the world combined. Any company serious of selling trucks needs to sell in the US. Not that Shark would compete against US even if BYD could sell it here. Too small.
Believe me cyber truck would look so much beater to them if Elon was still in their side
If only Tesla had a software where the car could drive itself to its destination. Hmmm.
The slower speed required to drive them through the tunnel takes longer than the route under the bridge. This was a way to keep Boring company in business and everyone knows it.
Model 3 launch was the "production hell" era. Whenever you hear Elon mention that phrase, that's the time he was talking about. He was living in the factory. They basically pitched a giant tent in the parking lot and set up a production line through it, they were so desperate to get production up and running. Part of it was they tried to automate too much of the production process too early, and had to rework it completely post launch.
There was a lot of people saying that once they initial 250,000 pre orders was sold that would be the end of Model 3 sales Also as they started with the performance model and just broke even many people thought they'd never sell a Standard Range, or at least profitably No reason to think Tesla won't gradually work the cost of the Cybertruck down over time, maybe dramatically so. If it was 20 or 30k cheaper I think it would be a different conversation Edit: Found it https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/21/new-demand-may-be-slipping-for-tesla-model-3-early-orders.html
They are available for almost immediate pickup though
Amazing. Appreciate the link.
You're welcome! I should keep that link handy. I'm not as much of a fan of the truck but people then were saying the Model 3 might be done after 250k, have now probably passed 3m
"Musk's failed tunnel company halts progress due to poor demand"
No, it doesn't. The plant has an extremely slow speed limit. Yes, Boring is stupid, but the new tunnel is actually functional. Never been there?
That's their plan eventually.
That looks extremely rare based on the google results (a handful of reddit posts).
They have a hate boner for Musk, because he actually openly says he's against the MSM points (disinformation is so horrible, let us censor who we want - totally won't be partisan), so obviously, the MSM owners retaliate, and sheep parrot it. Him being against woke might irk Blackrock and Disney, but they don't have the reach of the MSM.
But the mainstream media NEVER lies!! 😱
One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla doesn't operate like the other car manufacturers (yet?). When any of those bring a new model to market, it is a variation of something they have been producing for decades. Sure, the body panels will have a slightly different shape, it may have a new engine (even though that's just a slight variation of the same technology), they may add some USB ports and new software, but all in all, it is an evolution of something they have been doing for ages. The whole production line is copy&paste of an existing line with some tweaks. At most, they'll have 2 or 3 new stations for a new tech. Just look at any car and ask yourself, "Is there any part in there that doesn't just look different than on earlier models by the same manufacturer? Something that needed new ways of manufacturing or of assembling the car?" I'm sure that in most cases, you'll only need one hand to count all instances you find. With Tesla, that's rarely the case. Model S was something new from the ground up, as was its production line. Model X was a variation of the S (aside from the doors, which also were the only part that made problems). Model 3 was again something completely new, at least in the way of the production line. Model Y was a variant of 3 with some major new tech (castings). Cybertruck was new tech and new ways to produce a car. This means that Tesla runs into "first time doing something" issues a lot and in bulk. Something traditional car makers avoid like the plague. And those issues make good headlines. ("good" in the sense of capturing attention...)
Let's see how English handles this. 1 month or 1 months. Month. Singular. 2 month or 2 months. Months. Plural. 1.5 month or 1.5 months. Months. Plural. 52 days clearly is more than one month. It's somewhere around 1.6 month**s**. BTW, that's why the construct "for multiple months" exists. That one starts at 2, not at 1.000.....001.
Not everyone is going to post on the Internet about it. Edit: I can tell you it's at least a 4 month window of all Ap4 computers. If not more.
You’re welcome to be pedantic but using “months” makes it seem like a my longer shut down than it is.
Don’t worry I’m sure the media will not share this, they’ll stick with the demand issue and make some bs up
All of them based on a few reddit posts? What?
Growth has to be the steady 20-30% growth. Both on the supply and demand side. A lot of people need at least one friend to do it first. This was the expected exponential growth. Lot of their supplier are new and need the steady growth rather than all at once. They can then consider bringing some of the tech to the higher volume vehicles
They need time to reconfigure the lines for higher rate
The guy I'm talking about has built homes in this area for almost 30+ years so yah, gonna say he knows more about trucks and utilization for work than you and I. Plus you know very well what the CT can hold in the back and pull compared to a Rivian. Plus Rivian are much better off roading which you often have to do on construction sites where land development is going on. Let's not argue facts at least...not saying the Rivian is a better vehicle, but for work it sure is.
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As it happened to me and 2 other people I know in the same town right now. All 2024 models. All the same issue from the same factory on the same firmware. Which correlates to the many posts across multiple platforms that are popping up more and more.
Goal posts will never stop moving
If it is half the current price, it would absolutely crush BYD even in China
If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle. BYD Shark is priced at USD $35,000 in markets it's sold.
I doubt this being the reason though! There must be low (or not so high) demand at the same time. So they thought to use this time for construction or correction / configurations change in the assembly while demand is low!
two things can still be true.
People forget that the main point of media companies is to get you to watch more to get more ad revenue. Literally every single divisive topic is going to be misrepresented by both sides of media coverage to spin the story in a way that best appeals to their target audience. It's even worse with social media content creators since social media tends to create super isolated bubbles of opinions. Don't get me wrong, I hate Elon, a lot. But he and all his companies are a divisive topic now, so you aren't going to find a single lick of unbiased coverage on anything related to them. Fact checking this story is actually the only reason I came to the sub in the first place, and it was absolutely being misrepresented in the media I was seeing
>cybertruck being the most masculine design I’ll freely admit women don’t like it, but many say it’s juvenile. In fact, the “controversy” of CT is largely whether one sees it as juvenile or masculine, so your comment is a bit of an opinion masquerading as a fact.
Brutalism is definitely a masculine design.
You’re right — clearly everyone who sees it thinks it’s a super manly truck, lol
Yes. But Tesla’s most popular vehicle, the MY, is going to get the refresh that the M3 got. This is known and also obvious to any informed car shopper who spends a few hours researching their $45k purchase. Or going on test drives before buying. That alone could be having a huge drag on their sales.
Maybe it’s not of both? I wonder if there are any upgrades/updates to production line etc.?
Selling better than all other EV trucks combined. You think truck guys want Rivians? Their front looks like Hello Kitty.
Kim Kardashian seems to love hers
The stainless steel gives it cross appeal. Are you this annoying in real life?
This. I have so many friends that are super keen to buy their first Tesla, but prefer the Y over the 3. They are pretty much ALL waiting for Juniper. I am very interested in how much of a sales bump Tesla will get with the launch. I think they will time it to counter an expected slump in sales.
Your anecdote is exactly what I think is a major factor in Tesla's 2024 sales. The MY is a vastly more preferred size vehicle than the M3 (the US basically is a pickup truck and SUV market, with sedans making up about 20% of new car sales). As for timing the release of Juniper, this can't really be done like flipping a switch. The supply chain and manufacturing re-tooling takes a year or two to set up (as well as the engineering and design, which takes years as well). So the Juniper release date is something that Tesla had to plan years in advance of the actual date. If Tesla could have done it in 2024, they would have done it already. But they didn't, so we know they couldn't (or at least the couldn't after weighing competing priorities). Juniper will come when it is ready. And Tesla will try to keep that release under wraps as much as possible to not further hurt MY sales (which before people say the sales are fine, they may be but only because of tax credits, price reductions and Tesla financing offers).
Some were. Many even. But you might have missed out on just how virulently negative some of the shorts were. You could still find some of them trying to hold back the ocean with their sandcastles until 2022. The big difference is that back then, it was still a niche area. If you were not really looking for EV news, you didn't get any. The really loud shorts have gotten a lot quieter, but now a lot of the main stream press has figured out that Tesla and Elon sell clicks and papers. The articles are almost word for word identical, but reach a wider audience that has not yet gone through the bs cycle a few times. Once you've been through that a few times, these articles are funny to read. When you see them for the first time, however, you think there must be something to it, because surely nobody would just make stuff up for those sweet, sweet clicks.
Serious note: I am willing to bet you do not hate Elon Musk at all. That would be a very strange thing for you to do. However, you \*have\* been told you are supposed to hate him. It's always odd to see people grasp the current nature of the press, but then fail to apply it everywhere. Gell-Mann indeed. In any case, you can disagree with him on many things. Hell, you can disagree with him on literally everything. But unless he personally came over and peed on your Cheerios, you do not hate him, because that would be something a child would do when a parent tells them it is bedtime.
It should be to fix the headlight snow shelf issue…
Sure thing, bud. Do you think that every time someone says they hate Mondays that they are being whiny children? Or is it that there is nuance in language, and one word can convey varying degrees of severity in different circumstances.
Honestly? Yeah, because "Mondays" are not a person, and so it's quite clear that it's a joke. Are you saying "It's just a joke, man?" Because that line of argument has taken a beating over the last few decades. This is without even mentioning that it's quite clear that many -- if not most -- people on Reddit that say that mean it quite literally, even if they don't understand why. So how about you put some of that nuance to good use, and actually use nuanced language. Say that you absolutely disagree with his position on WFH, for instance. Or any other position. Then you don't have to come back to me later and say, "I was just joking."
I got my CT last month and my vin was 49k… they already surpased 50k
I've heard that from a couple of people now. However, vins aren't a perfect match to registrations. Go back to the old Model 3 ramp days to see that. But it is close enough to know that they are really close to 50,000 deliveries and possibly passed it.
Where is this articles source that this halt is due to construction? It makes no sense. They would have known construction would get in the way far in advance to just spring this on workers
Where is this articles source that this halt is due to construction? It makes no sense. They would have known construction would get in the way far in advance to just spring this on workers
nice try diddy
Singular vs plural is hardly pedantic. You're scrutinizing "months" but not only did /u/carsonthecarsinogen use it correctly, the point still stands. It's literally 17x+ longer than the 3 day shutdown. It **is** a much longer shutdown.
You’re missing the point. I never accused them of using months wrong. It’s how they used it. I’m not comparing the Lightning shutdown to the Cybertruck shut down so that’s irrelevant. I’m just trying to make a point of how using words in a certain way can bend the truth.
It was used in a way to imply that lightning shutdown was much longer. Which, 3 days vs 52 days or 17x longer, is accurate. I get where you're coming from that it shouldn't be used to bend the truth but in this case, it doesn't seem that way. It is multiplicatively longer.
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