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* [1. Reverse Cut-in (Occluded)](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795396584591799) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795396584591799) * [2. Peeking (Occluded)](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795398463562108) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795398463562108) * [3. Left Turn Cut-In](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795400300736695) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795400300736695) * [4. Parallel Cut-In (Occluded)](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795402234237052) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795402234237052) * [5. Yield for Oncoming During Overtake](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795404184646103) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795404184646103) * [6. Stop Sign Right-of-Way Violator](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795406101402020) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795406101402020) * [7. Door Opening During Overtake](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795408030872022) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795408030872022) * [8. Right Turn Harsh Braking](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795410023161991) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795410023161991) * [9. Left Turn Across Path](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795411927363782) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795411927363782) * [10. Cut-Out to Static Cone](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795413802148027) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795413802148027) * [11. Dynamic Debris (Dropped Cone)](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795415681180099) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795415681180099) * [12. U-Turn Cut-In (Occluded)](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795417556115748) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795417556115748) * [13. High Speed Cut-Out to Stationary Vehicle](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795419904888941) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795419904888941) * [14. High Speed Harsh Braking](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795421926556023) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795421926556023) * [15. High Speed Stationary Child](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795423902040488) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795423902040488) * [16. High Speed Crossing Child](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1860795425814720632) - [Direct video](https://x.com/i/status/1860795425814720632) Ashok responded to number 15 with: > [Note that this test had the ego vehicle at 73 mph!](https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1860805193186918406)
I wish the would release a lot of these! Maybe a "how to not land an orbital rocket" style compilation is in order to showcase the improvements?
I dunno. In the case of FSD, I could *very* easily see people taking the older, bad, videos and try to use those are evidence of the current state of FSD.
Good sharing
Lawsuit fodder for sure.
These must be terrifying to test.
So to be clear, was the teat vehicle stationary on a test rig, and the scenery is projected infront of/onto the glass so the driver feels as if they are there? And I'm assuming the FSD computer is "seeing" it's input directly from data sent to it fromDojo? Or are my assumptions all wrong?
Yall need to do more testing on the "safely approaches a green light with no notable dangers" scenario. Because my FSD slams on the brakes for every green light. Also, for parked cars.
These are test cars in a test community.... Live cars, live people
Look at the last video on your list...that's a real kid?
Amazing it’s tested this much and still will fail within 2 minutes here in Seattle for me.
Great, now do it again but at night.
lol, no. It's a walking dummy on a rig, very common in testing things like this.
You're assuming that Tesla has the ability to deep fake videos with orders of magnitude greater accuracy over every other existing solution out there? And that they solely use this technological breakthrough to create videos for a random side account on Twitter, rather than profit off of it? Yes. Your assumptions are wrong.
I’m surprised they don’t have a driverless dev version to do this stuff autonomously
I’m sure they do. Dawn, dusk, rain and such. My guess is that this just a small fraction of tests run.
I’m sure they run all these tests in their simulation too. Would love to see more about that setup. I think they’re using Unreal engine
They've shown their simulations in the AI Day videos. If memory serves, I *think* it is Unreal engine, but I can't recall.
The proof is in the pudding. Launch that fucking RoboTaxi already and let’s see how well it works. Just launch it in the same cities as Waymo and we will get an apples-to-apples comparison.
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Maybe they should test it on GREEN lights. 12.5.4.2 is extremely unsettling due to braking on green. Sheeeessh. So frustrating
Same !!!
Probably because there's so much training that poses difficult situations at traffic lights, so the FSD stack has developed a phobia about traffic lights
Yeah, it's pretty awful in the Boston area too. Fails to merge on the highway constantly, takes some intersections WAY too slow to the point of being dangerous, loses itself on winding roads, detects non-existent impending collisions all over, and phantom braking has been atrocious lately was well.
We should make this kind of testing mandatory for all cars.
I’m sure they have them in simulation’s but there is nothing like the real world
Even on 12.5.6.3? It's fixed this for me.
It's better in 12.5.6.3
standard autopilot experience is still superior to FSD.
It's not. Boca barely qualified as a small neighborhood before SpaceX bought up most of the houses and empty plots. There's far better places than the very south tip of Texas for vehicle testing.
How are you getting FSD to update? I’m still stuck on 12.3.6. I’m on wifi and swapped my software to advanced.
Let me know when they test driving on a curved residential street where everyone parks on the street. FSD still randomly panics for me.
Nothing special, I forgot it's still only HW4 for now though so that's probably why most don't have it still.
Yeah I have HW4, it’s a 24 X that I picked up last week. All the Ys and Xs I test drove had it and didn’t bug me to touch the wheel all the time like mine does.
12.5.6.3 has been absolutely fantastic, it's fixed a lot of my gripes with the later 12.x versions and freeways are now super smooth and confident. I've taken a number of long 30-40 mile trips now from home to places with 0 interventions. People in the car wouldn't know I wasn't driving if I didn't have hands off. While sometimes it drives a bit slow, the whole point to point including freeway experience with no hands is just so awesome I tend to just let it go, people can go around if they need to.
Oh that happens with new vehicles, they keep you on a factory version for a while, can take a month or two unfortunately to get into the update pool.
Ah dang okay thanks. That’s good to know.
Doesn't matter how good it is, as long as it's still "supervised" it's kind of useless to me.
Does the lead vehicle not help it "cheat" in some of these scenarios?
I had to intervene three times this weekend going ~65mph with traffic at a standstill hundreds of yards in front of me. I let FSD go as far as I could before I took over and as far as I could tell it had no plans of stopping and would’ve rammed in to the dozens of cars in front of me. Houston TX.
You will get upgraded in the holiday update, but that’s a few weeks away.
Sweet, thank you! Does it matter if I’m on Standard or Advanced for software?
*here are 16 examples
Ugh. I mean, compared to v12.3.6 I basically *can* leave my hands off the steering wheels for long drives. But now I have to hover over the accelerator pedal. Driving under speed limit is one thing, but the sudden slowing down for clearly wide open green lights? Ugh...
Worse for me I miss 12.3.6
Every time my car reaches the speed I've set, after a few seconds, I can feel it start to slow down for no reason. It just seems to prefer to cruise a few miles per hour under whatever speed I've set. And I'm not crazy about some of its more ridiculous lane changing strategies. Dive into the wrong lane behind a line of cars. Get into the left lane just before turning right. I'm actually more fine with FSD completely failing than these things, because the things I've mentioned are obvious to other drivers on the road. I know most people drive completely obliviously, but why would the car do things that might make the driver feel embarrassed?
This specific thing or something else?
It happens very rarely for me but it always happens at one specific light. I don't know if that means it's a hard to fix or an easy to fix problem
I'm pretty sure Dirty Tesla will disagree with 10 & 11 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbiQ\_uopCXI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbiQ_uopCXI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3xHbOVw6Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3xHbOVw6Q)
The latest Whaam Baam Tealacam episode features a serious road rage incident caused by a Tesla on FSD unnecessarily braking to a stop at a green light. So yea, this is a problem.
I've been on FSD since October 2021. FSD in it's current date, on 12.5.4.2, which is the most I have access to at the moment, FSD is significantly better than basic Autopilot. By leaps and bounds.
My community is like this, and it doesn't panic, though there are some occlusion issues when there's oncoming traffic, but those would be true even if I were driving.
I'm looking forward to when they can get end to end highway working on HW3.
You would think that, however, it removes **a lot** of driving fatigue from the equation, which makes it fantastic.
Probably, as it should in real life.
I copy/pasted Tesla's post on X, as the community's rule is no editorializing post titles.
You're the best kind of OP, thank you.
Guess there's a reason in video #13 there was enough room to evade, don't wanna hurt an employee.
Fair enough
Dan in shambles
Need to spin up the teleoperation stuff first just like Waymo.
My neighbor is like this and FSD has been doing the "duck and dive" pretty good for years now. It sees where it can move ahead and when it has to move over and allow the oncoming car to pass. Even works with the endless streams of UPS, Amazon and FedEx trucks daily.
Its annoying I have to hover my foot above the accelerator any time I get close to a green light. Because I know it'll pump it's brakes. I hope teslas engineers are aware of this problem.
Not everyone gets a new version at the same time. Rollouts are staggered. You do this so that in case a version has some unintended side-effects that you didn't catch in testing (e.g. with a different time zone or language version or some weird user setting or soemthing that only shows up after x hours of use, etc.) it only affects a small number of cars instead of bricking the entire fleet. That way you can do a relatively painless rollback if you need to. Worst case would be something that cannot be fixed OTA but would require service center attention. You would want to minnimize that workload (and the ensuing PR disaster).
These are all just examples of the car seeing someone do something stupid and slamming on the brakes. Let's see examples of stuff like that infamous turn into 6 lanes of traffic, or not braking randomly at a flashing yellow in the middle of the night, and all texting scenarios also done in the dark/nighttime. Fsd is really cool, but as my free trial is expiring, I find that we're still pretty far away from "if the human can see it with their eyes, the car can do the same thing with its cameras" thing that is promised. My main use case is to have it just hold the wheel for a second while I have to mess with something like put a destination in on the screen, try to make a phone call, remove my jacket, etc.
Maybe I missed it but what version is this testing on?
Hard no
Houston TX lmao
It doesn't work like that. Which model? which year? What FSD version? Can you provide some more details in what ways does it fail? etc. etc.
2022 S Plaid, 12.5.4.2.
Had another free trial and you're absolutely right. I can't imagine paying more for drunk teenager level "driving."
It isn't mentioned
Advanced will download the update as soon as the update is pushed to your car, so yes, it should be a bit faster.
Although it's not exactly the same, it was a right green arrow that wasn't recognized and the vehicle stopped as if it was a red light. Still shouldn't have stopped but that driver behind him needs to seek help, he's definitely unhinged way too easily.
Makes sense, thanks!
when I get updated with a free trial I can't turn it off fast enough. it's mindboggling people pay a hefty extra price tag for it.
Waffling on turns is an issue I've noticed, along with approaching exit ramps at too high a speed. It also will take exit ramps or enter a normal turn lane too late confusing traffic
do they disagree here too https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tesla-highest-rate-deadly-accidents-study-1235176092/
For those interested, these videos were filmed at RSI Locations in Pomona, CA. Although now it is primarily a filming location, it used to be a psychiatric hospital for the "insane" called Lanterman Developmental Center. Supposedly lobotomies were regularly performed here. And now Teslas test how fast they can go without hitting a stationary child.
road rage is always caused by the person with the mental age of a toddler who screams and cries when they don’t get shat they want.
I find it more nerve-wracking than just driving myself, so I don't use it. It's like babysitting a new, teenage driver. Unfortunately if it doesn't drive just like me I'd rather not use it, and if I can't go to sleep while it's on I'd rather just drive.
It takes time to get used to it. I've developed a good symbiosis with it
Salt Lake City experience: It struggles with double left turn lanes, especially if there is some action soon after that which makes one lane clearly superior to the other. SLC often has very deep sutters due to storm water runoff being massive. A driver has to slow considerably and approach at an angle to avoid scraping and/or damaging the front of the car. FSD has no concept of this at all. Phantom braking remains the absolute worst part of owning a Tesla (I've had it for nearly 4 years).
Maybe it is just the way the camera caught it but are the brake lights yellow?
Ashok said v12.5.6.3 in a later tweet: https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1860810101340450929
Ah. Hopefully they get that working on HW3
This is great. Thank you for sharing the link
This issue literally started occurring in v12 for everyone
Ok here we go make exceptions so your stock goes up
Would be nice if they had some form of automated VR testing.
there aren’t any. man(or woman)babies are the only cause of road rage.
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K1CarTV put out the extensive crash and crash avoidance video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdETdFErPpY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdETdFErPpY) Warning if you hate seeing crash videos then don't watch this.
Exactly. You could simply be going the speed limit, or decide to move into another lane in front of a car, and the person doesn't like it and rages.
it doesn’t even matter why. You could just have panicked and be a bad driver. If someone road rages they’re not fit to be an adult
> Every time my car reaches the speed I've set, after a few seconds, I can feel it start to slow down for no reason. It just seems to prefer to cruise a few miles per hour under whatever speed I've set. Same, and it drives me absolutely INSANE, especially on the highway. Ended up disabling it (I just have the trial) for this reason.
Probably… I once had the car in front of me exit an exit lane at the last second, right through the gore point, and my car absolutely tried to follow it. Had I let it do so, it would have hit the guard rail given the maneuver took place a few feet after the lead car.
How about on/off ramps in cities?
Does Waymo actually do this? Only cause the idea someone can drive a car remotely.....is actually kinda awesome and not something that seems actually possible
Today, on my AI3 M3, on the 'old' highway stack, i was in right lane of 4 lane highway and cars were entering the highway from an onramp on my right. They were totally on their side of the line, but my car thought they might be a millimeter over the line and slammed the brakes on causing me and the people behind me to have a heart attack. The way the 'old' highway stack responds to the tiniest out of lane infraction of cars around you is insanely stupid.
I asked to test making a UPL with bushes blocking the view of the B pillar cam. A human would have to move their head as far forward as possible so I wanted to see how Tesla would get around this issue. No response yet..
Not everyone. I've never experienced it in my HW3 car.
Okay, now do the one where you always want to illegally use the bike lane as a right turn lane. I mean, you get it right every *other* release, so I know you can do it.
The bike lane thing was patched out a while ago, but the maneuver was also not illegal. I dug into it the laws if it and such, and technically when turning right, you *are* supposed to scoot into the bike lane, if clear. But only the bike lanes with the dashed lines
This happens all the time in certain places (on versions where it happens) for bike lanes with parking spaces on the other side. So curb, parking space, bike lane, travel lanes. If the lines were dashed, it might be legal, but FSD will try to get into that lane several car lengths before the dashes start. **If I am the fifth car at a red light, driving around stopped traffic in the bike lane to make a right-hand turn is most certainly illegal. It is unexpected and unsafe. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle in the bike lane.** This behavior is fixed and then regresses in every/other release. *I think they don’t really know how to curate a model* because FSD has the same fix/regress behavior with respect to speed bumps. Exactly the same. I’m not a hater. I own FSD and use it on basically every drive. This software could easily be Level 3 right now, and has the correct processes to be Level 4 - but then they release an “upgrade” with a model that is clearly trained to solve a different problem and just leave out stuff that we need. The issue isn’t about being able to solve driving, it’s a software engineering problem.
They do, and so does cruise.
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