Improving charging for all

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> We opened the Supercharger network to be helpful to all EV drivers and car manufacturers going electric. However, different charge port locations on other EVs aren't great when charging on shorter cable Superchargers. Below are our recent efforts to continuously improve the charging experience for all drivers. > * Making stall availability more accurate than ever – The latest Tesla software update improves the accuracy of stall availability estimates. We can detect when another EV, with a charge port located somewhere other than the rear left or front right, is plugged into a short-cable Supercharger stall. This update ensures no more overpromising of stall availability, so you can travel with confidence. We will continuously refine this algorithm to be as accurate as possible, including exact site mapping and faster refreshing of stall availability. > * Increasing number of long cables - Longer cables mean that V4 posts can serve all port locations. In the next 18 months we will have more long cable than short cable Superchargers. > * Modifying our sites to avoid blocked spaces - We have modified over 1,500 sites so that drivers never have to use more than 2 charging spaces to charge, increasing stall availability for all. > * Encouraging the best charge port locations - Since opening up the Supercharger network in Europe in 2021, we've encouraged car manufacturers to transition charge port locations to rear left or front right. This provides seamless compatibility with 30k+ short-cable Superchargers available to other EVs globally. So, the take away here is that routing to chargers should be a little more tuned based on vehicle types currently at a charger. That's some good research on Tesla's part to improve efficiency of the usage of stalls. Should help during Thanksgiving travel.

Would be nice to get confirmation of older 150kw stations getting upgrades

I own a Y and a Rivian. California is the only problem when it comes to crowded SC’s.

They aren't open to other brands at all, are they?

For how much EVERYONE shits on Tesla, what other automaker, or even company, would put this much effort into their support infrastructure?

I see full chargers in the Midwest on holiday weekends. I’ll be road tripping my R1S for the first time this Xmas on the Tesla network. These changes are welcome.

people hate on tesla because somehow it’s the cool thing to do. it boggles my mind. they are the Ford of today. they have completely revolutionized and innovated in their space. what they have done in the short amount of time they’ve been around is unparalleled in the auto industry.

Only certain locations are open to other mfgs…at the moment. Who knows if they’ll open all superchargers to everyone.

What cars had to "use more than 2 charging spaces to charge" A big rig? bus?

You haven’t visited Hawaii.

My guess is when people are towing.

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ha I would call that using only one charge space.

Most vehicles that have a front charging port. Ford Lightening for instance. The Tesla cables on v3 stations are too short to reach, requiring the vehicle to potentially overlap on another charging space.

Correct, v2 stations do not have the requisite hardware to support NACS

I absolutely abhor the Redditors all over the other subs (main/default subs) that don't know the first thing about Tesla, self-driving, or energy but still talk shit. Its mind-boggling how leftist the site is yet it still manages to hate on the one company that's actually making a sizable change on climate, energy, and transportation 🤦🏻‍♂️

It's revenue generating. Every company that could, would support succesful revenue streams.

*Wouldn't Ford be the Ford of today?*

Anything that doesn’t have a port on the rear driver’s side or front passenger side of the vehicle - some that come to mind are the R1T/R1S, Bolt, or the Ioniq 5/6 series of vehicles.

Then why aren’t all the others?

In Europe most of them are

no, ford innovated when they first started but have been stagnant for decades. they only advance because they’re forced to.

They're what Ford used to be.

Because Tesla started building out charging when it was unprofitable. For five years they offered free lifetime charging with every Tesla purchase. Many companies are reactive and their time frame for thinking ahead is a couple of years. Tesla definitely seem to be longer than that (despite Elons antics). Yes, it should be obvious to argue that car companies need to have longer horizons than a few years, but honestly it doesn’t feel like most of them do. Look at how the big three were going all in on EV’s, but as soon as increased interest rates started affecting what people could afford to buy they changed their strategy. Tesla hasn’t changed their strategy, they adjusted their timelines.

Only uneducated people hate on an American company providing many thousands of jobs.

Everyone shits on Elon, the smell sticks to Tesla. Now he's too busy playing politics to bother with Tesla.

I still maintain that Ford and others did a piss poor job planning the location of their charge ports. It’s not even what I’d consider on the front of their vehicles. It’s on the side about 30% up the side of a 19’ vehicle in the lightnings case. Just bad placement, as it’s inefficient. Front or back is what’s most practical.

> too busy playing politics to bother with Tesla Almost everyone is making this mistake: he's playing politics _because_ of Tesla (and SpaceX). Democrats have been putting up road-blocks for Tesla and trying to support legacy auto (and by extension, oil companies). He sees an opportunity to make the necessary changes on the government side. I.e.: reducing subsidies for fossil fuel, levelling the playing-field for renewable energy, which is actually winning on cost.

They placed them there for 2 reasons: 1. They wanted to be incompatible with Tesla, to prevent their customers buying into the Tesla ecosystem, and force Tesla to eventually switch sides and lose a lot of their head-start. 2. They want a short connector to the battery, for reduced cost & weight of copper and to limit power waste and heating during charging.

The Supercharger network, and team behind it, is absolutely amazing. Revolutionary, to be honest. But that doesn’t forgive nor excuse all of the other decisions Tesla makes, like no rain sensors or turn signal stalks. The Supercharger network and team being so good also further calls into question management decisions, like Elon firing all of them in a tantrum.

Ford is now the Ford of yesteryear. They’re riding that Mustang all the way to the glue factory.

It’s bizarre to me how people don’t see him playing 3D chess, I guess that’s why not everyone can do it. His ultimate visions are still in Tesla adoption and space exploration. All of “antics” has been in alignment with those things. People are hating the player, not the game.

I'm not sure why people think this will happen. They didn't do it with V2 to V3. It's more cost effective to build an additional site.

That's an issue for the 5 countries that use NACS, but not for the 40+ countries that use CCS2.

Any where the port is on the opposite corner. They have to park in space 1 but use the cord from space 2. This can be mitigated if *all* "opposite corner charge port" cars park next to each other, only "wasting" one space between them. But people don't think that far ahead.

It’s great. I get flipped off by both liberals AND conservatives on the road! Who says Elon doesn’t care about equality??

Looks amazing on the surface, but this is Tesla's charging standard. Makes sense that they want to proliferate it. Make no mistake, the point of literally _every_ company is profit. They aren't doing this for the greater good.

Film any fights over chargers and put it tiktok

Yeah, it comes down to this. All the bad guys are playing dirty. All the "good guys" aren't playing dirty, except when they do a bit of bad-guy stuff on the side. Elon is the good guy who's playing with all the instruments, including playing dirty. I hope.

I feel like point #1 could be solved with a single webcam showing all of the stalls at each charger location. Whenever a user sets a charger as a waypoint or destination or searches for chargers, a single frame of the current feed could be sent to the client to show the user. Then they know exactly how many stalls are in use or blocked. Shit, you could even just train a simple AI vision model to do the very small amount of cognitive processing for this and just feed users a single integer value. Tesla, my invoice is in the mail.

Adds complexity. Now all superchargers need a Webcam and an AI that monitors things. What if the webcam goes down? The view gets obstructed? Tesla's approach is fine and feasible, just need a bit more data for towing

I agree that this is not the way, but to be fair we’re talking about the company that trained a vision-based AI to operate the windshield wipers.

Which, technically, saves money by removing a part, reducing complexity

They don’t do nearly this much with service centers, those have been going downhill in terms of customer service for years. Post layoffs they can’t even do uber credits anymore if no loaner.

have they done that successfully? it’s gotten a lot better from last year but still has about a 5% failure rate. Rain sensors are near perfect.

*one company that's actually making a sizable change on climate, energy, and transportation* Isn’t Tesla just the classic “does the end justify the means” example?  A company can have a good mission *and* have a bad process.

https://preview.redd.it/hox102je1o2e1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1706d878876811310367a59f9017afc5a4daca2f He seems a lil more along the lines of cartoon villain at this point....

*Democrats have been putting up road-blocks for Tesla and trying to support legacy auto (and by extension, oil companies).* And the GOP is going to support EV and not oil companies?

It really is unfortunate, and you can tell they put zero effort into their opinions so they’re clearly just parroting talking points.

No. I was undecided on whether I should have said “is actively training” rather than “trained.” It is better nowadays but it still has plenty of room for improvement.

When are we going to get a supercharger waitlist like chargepoint has? When the chargers get busy (and they will only get busier) the line for a charger snakes in front of other people's cars in the parking lot and can black entrances and exits. Seems like a no brainer to build an infotainment and app (for third party vehicles) feature to queue up for the next available spot and have it assigned to you rather than just leaving it to the drivers to figure it out.

Brain damaged take.

By shaking someone’s hand and rooting for a candidate you don’t agree with?… Diabolical

You can do stuff for the greater good and not desire to go bankrupt over it. Take SpaceX, they entered a saturated market with no innovation, nobody demanded reusable rockets, or to put their private space stations in orbit, or to go to Mars or even the Moon again. There was no demand for that stuff, in theory no profit either.

Y'all act like it's completely unfathomable why reddit hates Tesla. Yet it's very obviously because of Elon and I can't say I blame anyone that feels that way because Elon is a fucking loon. Really wish Tesla could separate themselves from him

This is my local charging station in the photo. Ugh. Gross. Until they get "longer cable coverage" mentioned in the tweet, it's going to continue to be a pain in the butt.

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Rivian would if they had the money, 100%.

It’s mind boggling? Dude, the CEO is a fucking jackass - stop playing stupid with your words. Love Tesla the company though, and its cars, but as long as Musk is involved I don’t think I’ll contribute a penny more other than supercharging visits.

Rivian

🤣 Elon IS Tesla. they can’t separate.

What's so bad about Elon? Genuine question, because I have a Tesla, but I don't really know anything about the guy other than he's the owner of Tesla.

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Any GM car

I give you that the CEO is a jerk, but what's the bad process? (More than any other corporation, I mean.)

Yep. Republicans don't even believe in climate change or want EVs in the road. They think solar is a joke and everything for power needs to be made by burning "clean coal." Also Democrats are the ones that gave Tesla the hot seat for the EV tax credit. One of the only vehicles that for the full credit. It is delusional to think that Republicans want to help Teslas initiatives. Elon and Republicans are the one that wants to take away the 7500 credit from us.

What are you talking about? Isn’t this a clear part of their business strategy?

Yeah I could see why it’s a problem there too lol

Does chargepoint actually reserve it? Our stations at work only function as a notification its free.

Good move by Tesla. 👏🏽

Yes but he’s willing to get into bed with fascists to get what he wants in business, there’s precedents for that: go read ibm and the holocaust

Ah yes, because other automaker CEOs are way more ethical.

Obviously, he literally said it was a NACS issue

/u/archbish99’s comment was just about V2 stations, didn’t specify where.

Yes, incredibly myopic and mind-boggling that your opinion on a CEO impacts your decision-making on everything that Tesla does for you.

Well, his take is “remove all subsidies”. Whether he can get that done seems doubtful right now. But at least we can hope for some balance that has been missing in some areas. But basically, renewables, solar, batteries and EVs are the current gold-rush. Green energy is the new “oil”. Hopefully he can spread that understanding in republican ranks.

Yes actually

a jackass by providing free speech and getting us to mars? why do dems hate free speech so much?

What’s more likely to happen: A. GOP removes Oil and EV subsidies  B. GOP removes only EV subsidies

Like who? There’s jackass CEO’s everywhere. Elon is just the most vocal.

Even before 2022, where Elon really… changed? People were already criticizing Tesla. Because it was trendy, because mainstream media were biased and filled with oil money. Since 2022, it’s even more easier to criticize because of Elon. But it started long before

yeah this is really needed in more heavily used areas

nah northeast just dealt with it the other day

Not certain, but if implemented this function would need to be added. Can't have people cutting to steal someone else's spot.

I think Wawa would if they manufactured cars. In the locations I’ve seen locally they have constructed roads leading to their entrances. In one instance, a 2 Lane Rd. about a quarter mile long. It’s obvious they did not have to do that.