Cybercab on display in Plano, TX

Someone called out yesterday how much this was going to get posted… lol

Yeah, it is at legacy west

Wow, so they didn't learn anything from the model x in terms of poorly designed doors. Good thing it's just a marketing prop for now.

If this thing is running the FSD the Teslas are running right now, no chance I step foot in that thing lol

What’s the point of a windshield if no one was driving? Might as well just replace it with something stronger than glass to provide more protection for the passengers. Maybe change the seats so all the passengers face backwards because humans can take more g force towards the back.

How long will it be there? Im visiting DFW this weekend.

This is the dumbest shit ever.

They are going to sell it as a cheap car too. Plus things like, regulations. Hell they weren't even allowed to take side mirrors off the Cybertruck! Imagine getting permission to remove a windshield!

Yeah I don't see how it could park in a parking space between two other cars. Maybe I'm missing something.

There are regulations to follow. Also people would probably find it unnerving and would want to see the outside. A lot don’t even like facing the rear on trains.

Where does the car seat go?

I mean, for a taxi that has to drop off and pick up in traffic, wouldn't you want sliding doors like a van?

The Robovan doesn't have a windshield. All the seats face the middle of it.

Robotaxi won't park like we do. When they're done giving rides they park empty, half the time above a wireless charger in a designated parking lot.

In the Model 3 or Y you call instead

That's a great post. I would assume people just want to have the windshield because we always have. Maybe future versions wouldn't. Even if you wanted to see what was outside and give specific instructions (like exactly where to park) you'd use the center screen and an exterior camera

Same. Signed, a daily FSD user.

It’s actually something built by some of the greatest engineers ever.

Lol agreed. Unless they have a super secret version of fsd we aren’t aware of. People will legit die driving in an fsd car

When my FSD works as it should, then maybe I'll be interested. I expect maybe 2035 it'll be decent enough if we're lucky.

So many people are getting jerked off in this thing

Why the hell after all the (decent) design work on the model X did they implement doors like that? The amount of space needed for them to open is mad. Even McLaren and Mercedes can get that right, at least they can open without needing half a car either side. I can see this thing attempting to pull into a space for a 'rest/charge' and you'd have to wait for it to de-park out of a space to get in.

Well I didn’t mean to say it’s all fully worked out and works perfectly. You do realize this is autonomous driving, effectively replacing all taxi drivers? This is a major project and for them to even have gotten as far as it is, is incredible. You can hate Elon and what he stands for, but it’s crazy to just ignore major advances in technology like this

Sounds like a recipe for motion sickness

Yes!! If it's a robo taxi, rethink what a taxi is, what it can be. Don't just make it a regular car. Not very creative at all. I would much rather prefer to chat face to face with my passenger, or play a game or whatever. I find this ironic since Tesla rethought what a car could be.

IIRC from presentation. , Elon mentioned unsupervised fsd will be released first to current hw4 fsd owners sometime next year, , then this car will go on sale. I doubt level 5 will be ready next year or even in the next 10 years. Just mentioning how they don’t plan on releasing this car until unsupervised fsd is a thing.

Don't take me for a fully fledged hater. I love my car (MYLR) and I'm sometimes impressed with FSD and use it daily. I do think Elon is a complete jackass but I'm impressed with what Tesla has done. I just think a car without a steering wheel is about a decade premature given how FSD currently operates. I don't live in a city, in fact I live on a dirt road and FSD gets real confused in my driveway and on my road.

I think federal law currently requires a steering wheel. But it helps to be best friends with the guy who is now president elect. Funny thing is you can't put a defective one into manual mode and steer it since no wheel it requires a tow truck for every defective unit.

False No Elon says they are going to make the Y cheaper. He did not say the taxi which originally internally was the model 2 was going to be released for people to buy as a cheaper alternative to the 3 and Y. He thinks there is no reason to do a cheap car if you have the cheaper car customers using the taxi.

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I thought the doors should slide straight up so you can get in with tighter spaces. Instead they flap out like albatross wings. It looks cool tho 🤷

I'm reading this in a Waymo

Thanks 👌

Wait, is a 2 seater? Don’t tell me is just 2 passengers…

No way these doors would be on a production model. Makes no sense especially if this is supposed to be on an affordable full autonomous taxi.

You will never see one on the road

"What if we made a wheel way more likely to get curbed than we managed for the Model 3?" "Forget the wheels - we've figured out a way to get the doors torn clean off!"

Has to come with optional white seats it gets too damn hot in the summer for black in Florida


I feel like these cars are progressively getting uglier

Look like cheap Spirit / Frontier airline seats on the inside lol

Vaporware

They look very comfortable to me.

It's a taxi, you shouldn't be waiting for it to charge...

Because it’s kewl (seriously, that’s Elon’s only reason why - it’s cyberpunky)

That was my thought. I guess if you have 9 in your group you have to hail 5 of them? And what if you are outnumbered by kids, they go by themselves? Guess I'll need a taxi XL.

perhaps a stupid question but ever since these have been popping up in a few places, how do they move them ? Are they remotely driven ? Lol

This thing is vapourware

It's great to see all these happy people cheering on progress in the comments.

ugliest seats i've ever seen

Such a big vehicle to carry the same as a basic motorbike taking 1/10 of the space

The doors are going to be getting sheared off.

The Door design is so interesting. 1. Much less complicated than a falcon wing door. 2. Easier to close automatically via gravity

They're reconfigurable. Who knows what the production version might be like.

Said the same thing about the Cybertruck yet here we are.

You should come to the US next year and try one out.

They already have 3 and y for bigger groups.

That’s what people said about the Cybertruck.

Have you actually been driven by FSD, I use it everyday and thoroughly impressed.

No, that's the Roadster 2.0

They use a Logitech controller.

Door has no seals. Great engineers indeed.

The cab industry in Plano will be forever changed.

Finally humanity has solved the huge problem that is the taxi industry!

What have you built? Do you see these taxis on the street in production? Have you ever heard of concepts and models? You can hate Elon but don’t turn off your brain to what’s going on here. It’s perfectly fine to not like this stuff, but to call it stupid is insane

and takes up sooo much room, which is what you really want in a small low two door no luggage taxi.. oh wait.

Just not.. for taxi's nobody will ever need a low 2 door no luggage car... its plain stupid.

There should be a separate place to talk about these Robo taxis. I don't think very many Tesla owners have any interest in that at all

Nothing about that thing is cyberpunk. They just put the word cyber on it and hope that will make people like it. And not for the first time.

I love his “you do realize”. Clearly this guy chortles his balls.

Yeah that has a wheel and isn’t completely reliant on an autonomous driving system that can’t go 2 blocks without fucking up.

I hate it

God those seats are ugly

Yes. I’ve been using the FSD free trial within city and highway and I have had too many instances of shaky decisions and phantom braking, that I can’t justify continue using for the safety of my life. I am using on a 2024 Model 3.

Zero chance this thing comes out next year or anytime in the next 5 years.

People at the AI event said the car has a huge trunk space for luggage.

Use it for 30 minutes with your eyes closed ;)

Greatest engineers, yet it has only two seats. It's supposed to earn like $100K/year in taxi revenue. Why not just make it with 4 seats and a little more expensive? This car makes no sense.

This is a terrible design. They claimed robotaxis would be making money hand over fist, so why did they cheap out on this and make it so small and with limited use? Also, those doors are terrible.

That’s because tesla is never serious about getting this thingy on the roads. Its just marketing gimmick to trick investors into pushing $TSLA. Elon is basically a conman, and now he’s working to con American taxpayer.

Are u freaking kidding me? With America’s unreliable cellular network, autonomous driving is darn right dangerous

I don’t like the dude either but this thing is absolutely cyberpunk

You get that it’s not complete right?

Just bookmarking this thread. I’d line to refer to it in the future when this car/service is released, becomes successful, and everyone starts in with the revisionist history about how no one was ever THAT negative about it and no one said it was vaporware.

The finish of the metal? The Datsun Z rear windows? The goofy doors? What's cyberpunk about it? I'm as neutral about "the dude" now as I was back when people were deifying him.

> the Datsun Z rear windows Hug? Are you thinking of the wrong car? And I guess cyberpunk is subjective but to say this thing isn’t cyberpunk at all is insane. The wheels, the shiny metal, the light bar. It literally looks like it’s out of Cyberpunk 2077

its running locally..... not streaming video to make decisions

Autonomous driving is here, and I am part of the training pool everyday, over 15,000 miles on FSD, minor issues that get fixed with subsequent updates. Just so you know it errors on the side of caution every time.

I guess waymo does it all day

Are you familiar at all with the 1970-1978 Datsun Z car? Look at picture number 4 from this thread, it's a complete match. "Cyberpunk" is a 40 year old word. "Cyberpunk 2077" is a 4 year old video game that is not at all the arbiter of what makes something "cyberpunk". And you can't even see the wheels on this car. Just some hubcap blanks.

Ahh you’re talking about the rear *quarter* window. Not sure how that disqualifies anything, basically every sports car has that. And okay, sure. Let’s say the definition is 1980’s cyberpunk and not 2020’s cyberpunk. As if the laws of physics come into play and not just basic human anthropology. Then what’s your definition of it? Blade runner? https://preview.redd.it/tr5k1ot9iw0e1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04c21f00376aaa4a53125603addb2e25db08819c

So they're going to add more seats to an obviously 2-seater car?

I hate three doors so much

Many said the same thing about the Cybertruck.

The cybertruck was years late and cut most of the most hyped features.

Who knows, but you realize you’re looking at a concept of automated driving taxis, and you’re calling it stupid because of the number of seats?

cellular network is absolutely nothing to do with its reliability, it doesnt learn or make decisions in real time, that would be dangerous and difficult to QC, it runs locally on the car, and updates improve its ability.

what in th WORLD are you talking about....do you own a model X?

actually incorrect, Model 3 and Y and other models will also ccome with FSD unsupervised when its ready for the cybercab, they still have steering wheels sure, but will function exactly the same, theres your large FSD taxi right there. Your thinking a new vehicle needs to exist to be a taxi, it does not, as soon as the cybercab can drive itself without supervision, so will every other tesla. Also they specifically said the design went this way because a large majority of taxi rides are 1-2 people according to collected data....and they did show the robovan...

Because the X doors are harder to repair? Not saying I'm a fan, but I'm not convinced these doors take up more space than a traditional car door. All these pictures show them wide open but if you opened your S, Y, or 3 doors all the way you would also take up half a parking space next to you.

No, because of the doors

It baffles me how anyone could believe autonomous driving relies on a cellular network, that was never the case for any type of autonomous driving on ANY car brand lol.

How are they moving the cybercab when it’s on display. Are they using dollies or a remote?

having used both FSD and Waymo in SF, I trust Waymo way more that said there's a reason they only operate in like two cities

I do too, and it is impressive, it's also impressive how it constantly hesitates on lane changes, and tries to change lanes into a turn lane, and drive down the middle of the road for a bit until it finally picks a lane, and..

> if you opened your S, Y, or 3 doors all the way you would also take up half a parking space next to you. But you don’t have to do that and can still get in. These… not so much.

Bro but you don’t have to swing out all the way to get of of your S Y 3, but these doors goes up all the way all the time….

Give it a damn steering wheel.

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You’re experience seems odd, the bulk of Tesla users love FSD, did you have any positive experiences with it? Could you list those?

That’s all they can do, waymo and FSD are two different things, FSD adopts and makes decisions for you on any road in America, not ones that are completely mapped out.

This is just a concept? I thought this was the general planned car. They've been working on this thing forever. How is it only in concept phase?

It's like Tesla's failed attempt to recreate the DeLorean DMC-12.

Looks like airport seats

Just curious, how did they get it in position? You can't exactly plug in an address for middle of showroom floor. Just wondering how long it will take for someone to jailbrake the initial release and start driving around with an old xbox controller :)

as someone who has full fsd, it's not ready yet. i have yet to have it make it one trip without intervention. it may work fine in CA cities but not in the rest of the US.

it's as cyberpunk as a honda crz (which it's a total rip of off), except with stupid painted wheels

It obviously wouldn't come out until FSD is good enough for unsupervised use. Today's FSD isn't there yet, but they're constantly improving it. Keep in mind this car is planned for 2026, and we all know it might get delayed beyond even that.

right - and because of that FSD is way lower on the "trust it 30 minutes with your eyes closed" scale than Waymo

What if it’s me and 2 friends - do I need to book a “ROBOVIN”

Speaking from perspective of a FSD owner. No LIDAR, no Robotaxi. Have extensively used Waymo and it is perfect without a driver. Smooth and decisive driving. FSD is not even close.

Well you definitely have not used FSD, judging by your commentary. The evolution of FSD is quite remarkable and to not even have one positive thing to say, says a lot about your agenda. No objectivity at all, just pushing your narrative.

NTSHA and their pesky regulations to try to keep the public safe, time for DOGE to act, for efficiency! I fear that regulations may be relegated to history.

So will it be gas.?

No, it will just not pick up a customer when it needs to go charge.

> The evolution of FSD is quite remarkable Yes! That's why I'm subscribed. And drive with it on my commute. Almost every day since April. > to not even have one positive thing to say Sorry, when was that part of the discussion? I still _use_ FSD, I just trust Waymo more. I don't trust FSD with my eyes closed _because_ I know how it acts on "any road in America, not just ones that are completely mapped out".

As a disabled person, this is the best news in decades, and as soon as it gets released and approved in the EU, I'm getting one, no matter the costs

Bc Elon is a man child

It won’t ship like this for many obvious reasons, but it gets a lot of talk and PR

And the Cybertruck will never make it to public roads! /s

I have disengagements almost daily. It isn’t even close to ready for full autonomy.

Yeah, shame that didn’t work out.

Lol, has it only got 2 seats. What another joke from Tesla.

And abroad is mainly worse.

Yeah, but these aren't that either.

So no positives?

Are heart palpitations a positive? I will use it occasionally, but mostly it scares me. It stops at green lights regularly.

Probably because since it will primarily open to the sidewalk and not used in tight parking space situations (since it is a cab)

You probably said the same thing about Model 3 and Y and Cybertruck and Semi

I cant remember what the seats looked like in the last taxi i went in, if i do and they weren’t great i’ll be sure to find a sub connected to that cars brand so i can post the same comment!

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They weren’t able to foresee that the cybertruck would only be bought by arrogant douchebags, and have a negative connotation for most sane Americans.

Anyone that knows anything about complex development knows that solving edge cases is several orders of magnitude more difficult than solving easy stuff. FSD cannot do easy stuff today. It will never be Level 4-ready let alone Level 5.

Have you driven in heavy snow? Have you driven in a downpour? Fog? Directly into the sun around sunrise or sunset?

My grandchildren will have died of old age well before FSD is released.

It was running an early version of V13

Seven year old X here with no door issues at all. They are by far my favorite feature and the reason it's stayed so long.

Sounds like you should stop paying the FSD subscription if it’s so bad for you.

I haven’t been paying it. I have a free trial right now like everyone else. I also had a free trial when I bought the car.

With how many recalls the cybertruck is having it probably shouldn’t be on the road lol

It's okay if you don't like the Cybertruck, it really is, but please stop making dumb shit up. I work out of a repair shop and we see way more egregious examples of issues pertaining to recalls in most vehicles out there than you'll ever probably know.

Uuuh not making shit up about the cyber truck recalls chief.

So, any vehicle with more than one recall shouldn't be on the road?

6 recalls for the cybertruck in 2024 alone

At first I thought it would be too cramped but the seats look so comfy.

All the pictures I see from the various locations that have the car don't have the rear trunk opened. Does anyone know the dimensions of the trunk, I have a model 3 but I hate that the parcel shelf prevents putting large objects in the back. Also some people put the car into camp mode. Is there enough room for a normal size person to sleep back there if by some way they could make the front seats fold down